Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[rugbygoated]

Valid point and my response is aimed generally because a few hold the same opinion, but the flip side is this...let's say we are overpaying for Luai by $300k.

Is that so bad in a key position when we have our second half on a moderate contract, Nofa on $500k and Doueihi on $600k? Once these contracts expire and we replace with better value players, that whole equation is back in line. Some teams have over $2 million wrapped up in their first string halves. Penrith, Parra and Manly come to mind.

If I had to nit pick the deal it would be the length and whether or not there are ratchet clauses in there. But as you pointed out, we are without a marquee half and there's not that many available. There's a few old halves running around that will retire soon also, so that will just make it even harder to jag someone that's considered marquee. Amone being de-registered has an impact also.

There's a lot of opinion about what Luke Brooks was being paid, but would we say that we would get more value out of Luai than Brooks? As it stands, I'd think so. What would we have had to pay Deardon to get him to move to Sydney? We just don't know.

considering Dearden is on 950K with Cowboys I'm sure he would ask for 1.1 million at least to move all the way down to Sydney in a new environment. And frankly, while he is a good consistent player, he's not worth over a million

 

[Newtown]

luai to wests is now a formality with penrith expected to waive the 10 day cooldown period. jarome is not happy that the news he was leaving immediately was leaked to the press. ivan and his merry band of chimps are developing a reputation among those who have left the club recently for a bit of a scortched earth policy.

also expect olam to be wearing black and orange in the new year with blore headed the other way.

Chance for Tigers to have two big centres Olam and the NZ player playing together in the centres.

 

[weststigers]

considering Dearden is on 950K with Cowboys I'm sure he would ask for 1.1 million at least to move all the way down to Sydney in a new environment. And frankly, while he is a good consistent player, he's not worth over a million

Good call goat.

I didn't even know what he was on, so Luai looks an even better shout, all things considered.

 

[Tom Shines]

He’s had a long association with WT as a sponsor and before that with Balmain. I wish he could have bought the club, I think he’s made a couple of attempts during the last few years.

a long time ago… so not now … I think you have answered your own question

 

[Tom Shines]

Any idea when both deals (Olam and Luai) will be announced?

Any day now apparently

 

[twentyforty]

a long time ago… so not now … I think you have answered your own question

What are you inferring Tom?

 

[Tom Shines]

What are you inferring Tom?

To be completely clear mate … he has had no monetary involvement in the club for several years now… so he is free to make Third Party deals to players should be choose to

 

[Kaito]

Very serious, have lived at Mt Druitt for 46 years and I can assure you there are many worse places around Sydney. Every suburb, even the affluent ones who think their shite don't stink have a degree of effluent residing there.

Got to see many different parts of Sydney at all different hours of the day and night during my working life and got to see that most regions had their own group of deadbeats, druggies and wannabe gangsters.

Hey mate, sorry for coming off poncy..
I haven't actually been there so probably
Shouldn't have said what I said and make
such a harsh comment. I only really know
of Mt Druitt through the music scene, and
how its residents describe it, also through
watching some YouTube videos. You're
right about different places having bad
areas. Even Paris has 'La banlieue'. I
apologies 4 my dense comment @tigertuff

 

[tigertuff]

Hey mate, sorry for coming off poncy..
I haven't actually been there so probably
Shouldn't have said what I said and make
such a harsh comment. I only really know
of Mt Druitt through the music scene, and
how its residents describe it, also through
watching some YouTube videos. You're
right about different places having bad
areas. Even Paris has 'La banlieue'. I
apologies 4 my dense comment @tigertuff

No offence taken mate - I still love ya😜

 

[PabloX]

There is no limit to 3rd party deals, but it is incredibly unlikely Luai would be getting 300k worth. Based on reported 3rd party figures* most clubs wouldn't get that many for their whole team.
*the reported figured would only consider the declared ones. I'd expect most clubs have a few illegal 3rd party deals as well.

Why would you make illegal deals if there was no limit on them?

 

[fibrodreaming]

Why would you make illegal deals if there was no limit on them?

I assume because the third party is not at arms length from the club.

The third party should not be associated with the club at all; for example, a sponsor.

 

[gregjm87]

Dearden hasn't proven anywhere near as much. Won an origin game. That's all his done in his entire career. Not sure he could do what Luai did with Samoa and Dearden has only had 2 good seasons. Luai has had 4 in a row

I rate Luai, and moreso than Dearden. But I think the "what he did with Samoa" stuff had been very excessive.
He played well but was not Samoa's best. Nor were Samoa particularly great at any point all tournament. Had a good win against a poor performing (in that game) England and another narrow win over a similarly rated Tonga. Didn't challenge Australia or face NZ.

 

[gregjm87]

Why would you make illegal deals if there was no limit on them?

Because the links to the club or being organised by the club makes them illegal.
If Politis calls up a mate and says hey, were struggling to bring Tedesco from the Tigers can you chuck in 100k. Then that 3rd party is illegal, even if Politis mate has no official link to the Roosters.

 

[Groundup]

Immediately?

news he was leaving was leaked immediately? This is not Mensa

 

[PrattenParkMagpie]

Hey mate, sorry for coming off poncy..
I haven't actually been there so probably
Shouldn't have said what I said and make
such a harsh comment. I only really know
of Mt Druitt through the music scene, and
how its residents describe it, also through
watching some YouTube videos. You're
right about different places having bad
areas. Even Paris has 'La banlieue'. I
apologies 4 my dense comment @tigertuff

No problems Kaito, didn't take any offence to it, Mt Druitt has its fair share of ratbags and aholes like most places but its reputation is far worse than its reality.

 

[SeanT]

Any news about Olam?

 

[balmain boy]

Because the links to the club or being organised by the club makes them illegal.
If Politis calls up a mate and says hey, were struggling to bring Tedesco from the Tigers can you chuck in 100k. Then that 3rd party is illegal, even if Politis mate has no official link to the Roosters.

But that is exactly how 99% of all TPAs come about. It's not illegal. It's the standard.

There are no limits on how many TPAs a club can use, or how much value they can have. Theoretically they're supposed to be independent of the club entirely but they never are, except for the top 2-3 players who may have sponsorships with Nike etc as a brand ambassador. And theoretically the player is being paid to do promotions, ambassadorships etc for the company but there is no actual requirement for them to do anything to get the money.

However they're not official, not a guaranteed part of the contract and can effectively be cancelled by the 'sponsor' at any time. So it's more risky for a player to have a % of their wage as TPAs, their salary is guaranteed. There have been many reports of players becoming unsettled after TPAs they were promised not being delivered in full. If it's with a reputable company you'd be confident but a smaller company may get cash flow issues and not be able to chip in as planned, unless it's for Uncle Nick and they get a kickback

 

[rugbygoated]

I rate Luai, and moreso than Dearden. But I think the "what he did with Samoa" stuff had been very excessive.
He played well but was not Samoa's best. Nor were Samoa particularly great at any point all tournament. Had a good win against a poor performing (in that game) England and another narrow win over a similarly rated Tonga. Didn't challenge Australia or face NZ.

I watched all games in the world cup and he was by far the best player of the tournament. I think you're being biased to prove a point rather than actually analysing what happened. Losing against Australia in the final is not even bad. He was the best player against Greece, France and England, and 3rd best against Tonga after Milford and Suaalii. Sure, Greece and France are cannon fodder, so let's ignore them. But Samoa are a team that has a very low win record in the past decade, and they beat Tonga and England when most people tipped against them. Winning against the host nation England (the team that put 60 on them in the first game) in a semi final is a lot bigger than you're alluding to. It was one of the best IRL games I've ever watched when I woke up in the middle of the night to watch it. It's not purely because of the emotion that it was special, but the historical record of being the first tier 2 nation to make a final

 

[Juice]

Judging from what everyone has said how can people think Luai is only gonna take $800-$850k out the cap and the rest in TPA? There’s just no way you leave the 3 time premiership winners for the back to back spooners for the same contract being offered. Id also think if there is no rules to it a team that has won 3 GFs in a row would also have just as much sponsors willing to put in to keep him around.

 

[Bula]

No problems Kaito, didn't take any offence to it, Mt Druitt has its fair share of ratbags and aholes like most places but its reputation is far worse than its reality.

One of the lowest arseholes I know lives on a double block in Bellevue Hill.