Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Cultured_Bogan]

Crawly pulling numbers out his butt (no swearing coverup willow) again.

He also makes a lot of editorial commentary for a reporter.

"Tigers can ill-afford"
"Tigers are trying to sell it publicly"
"given some of the dud deals they have done in recent years"

The thing I intensely dislike about the idea of "dud deals" is many teams have done many done deals over the years, it's not restricted to Tigers.

And Tigers have a few blokes on the books who may have had an entirely different role / output had the coach stayed; i.e. it's the coach's movement that impacts many careers. This would be true of many clubs who move the coach on.

There are a few journos right now running the critical line that "Tigers need to sign someone before the season starts", whilst also acknowledging that the rush to sign players may have been a factor for the last coach.

Tigers don't actually have to do anything at all and I'm pleased that they aren't reacting to the media, that's one thing I like about Madge - you can write what you like, but Madge is his own man on his own schedule.

Finally - if you had said in October that our pre-season would be a swap BJ in and Esan out, I would have been cool with that. Latrell wasn't even on the radar at the time, and BJ is a much more cost-effective option in centres - you can sign BJ and another NRL-level player for Latrell's wage alone.

We're not the only club limited to dud deals.

Jack Bird, Anthony Milford, Darius Boyd, Ben Hunt and Corey Norman are just a few names off the top of my head that are on good coin and aren't returning on the reported investment.

 

[JD Tiger]

Is there a general pay scale any where what values are placed on positions players play values seem to have blown out alarmingly in recent times probably because of the scum bag managers

This could be done, by looking at the average wages of current players. But we'd only be guessing some of those figures.

Interesting though, I'd like to see the different makeups each teams use, I'd bet there would be patterns.

 

[Snake]

Trying to be reasonable in this assessment, I think Corey has 3 issues at fullback.

No real passing game
One basic error in most games
The odd game that is a shocker

I think you can live with one of these issues and do well, but not all three.

I think passing is the only upgrade with AD

I agree though I think AD has a few upgrades on CT, just that they are not huge upgrades.

I think AD has more of a halves-type skillset for a fullback (passing and kicks), which is ideal, and he's rangy enough to be effective in the air.

Corey is ultimately too short, which is one of his two weaknesses as a FB - Corey is 5'10" and AD is almost 6'3". Short and doesn't have a pass/kick option, like you said, which makes it easier for opposition defences.

AD however is pretty weak in the tackle - Corey has double the tackle breaks and is just more energetic in the tackle IMO. AD has ever slightly better post-contact m and that might be attributed to his bigger overall size. Corey is only giving up 3 kg despite the height difference.

And these stats are coming back from major injury ..

 

[tigerballs]

Here's one from league unlimited souths forum... take it with a grain of salt...

Titans playing hardball as you know. They want Murray AND Tom. Gags and Johnston staying. The only one leaving is Douhie to perhaps Tigers old news I know but souths will release for Packer AND Mcqueen.

Now that would be a deal worthy of running up the pole to see if it flies in the wind?

Has to be a gee up - Packer and McQueen are on approx 1mill a year - Douehi is on 500k - so Souths would be out of pocket a further 500k this year. And we think our recruitment dept is bad.

I think the first step in the process would be convincing the players it’s a good idea. Then after all the pieces of the jigsaw fall into place , and only then, the books can be balanced to reflect a fair deal where everybody wins.

I know when McQueen left Souths he was the most popular man at the club and the players to a man were disappointed with his punting. I think he's one of those guys other players like being around.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Trying to be reasonable in this assessment, I think Corey has 3 issues at fullback.

No real passing game
One basic error in most games
The odd game that is a shocker

I think you can live with one of these issues and do well, but not all three.

I think passing is the only upgrade with AD

I agree though I think AD has a few upgrades on CT, just that they are not huge upgrades.

I think AD has more of a halves-type skillset for a fullback (passing and kicks), which is ideal, and he's rangy enough to be effective in the air.

Corey is ultimately too short, which is one of his two weaknesses as a FB - Corey is 5'10" and AD is almost 6'3". Short and doesn't have a pass/kick option, like you said, which makes it easier for opposition defences.

AD however is pretty weak in the tackle - Corey has double the tackle breaks and is just more energetic in the tackle IMO. AD has ever slightly better post-contact m and that might be attributed to his bigger overall size. Corey is only giving up 3 kg despite the height difference.

The arguably greatest fullback of the modern era was 5'10".

 

[Telltails]

Crawly pulling numbers out his butt (no swearing coverup willow) again.

He also makes a lot of editorial commentary for a reporter.

"Tigers can ill-afford"
"Tigers are trying to sell it publicly"
"given some of the dud deals they have done in recent years"

The thing I intensely dislike about the idea of "dud deals" is many teams have done many done deals over the years, it's not restricted to Tigers.

And Tigers have a few blokes on the books who may have had an entirely different role / output had the coach stayed; i.e. it's the coach's movement that impacts many careers. This would be true of many clubs who move the coach on.

There are a few journos right now running the critical line that "Tigers need to sign someone before the season starts", whilst also acknowledging that the rush to sign players may have been a factor for the last coach.

Tigers don't actually have to do anything at all and I'm pleased that they aren't reacting to the media, that's one thing I like about Madge - you can write what you like, but Madge is his own man on his own schedule.

Finally - if you had said in October that our pre-season would be a swap BJ in and Esan out, I would have been cool with that. Latrell wasn't even on the radar at the time, and BJ is a much more cost-effective option in centres - you can sign BJ and another NRL-level player for Latrell's wage alone.

We're not the only club limited to dud deals.

Jack Bird, Anthony Milford, Darius Boyd, Ben Hunt and Corey Norman are just a few names off the top of my head that are on good coin and aren't returning on the reported investment.

Keiren Foran ...

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Crawly pulling numbers out his butt (no swearing coverup willow) again.

He also makes a lot of editorial commentary for a reporter.

"Tigers can ill-afford"
"Tigers are trying to sell it publicly"
"given some of the dud deals they have done in recent years"

The thing I intensely dislike about the idea of "dud deals" is many teams have done many done deals over the years, it's not restricted to Tigers.

And Tigers have a few blokes on the books who may have had an entirely different role / output had the coach stayed; i.e. it's the coach's movement that impacts many careers. This would be true of many clubs who move the coach on.

There are a few journos right now running the critical line that "Tigers need to sign someone before the season starts", whilst also acknowledging that the rush to sign players may have been a factor for the last coach.

Tigers don't actually have to do anything at all and I'm pleased that they aren't reacting to the media, that's one thing I like about Madge - you can write what you like, but Madge is his own man on his own schedule.

Finally - if you had said in October that our pre-season would be a swap BJ in and Esan out, I would have been cool with that. Latrell wasn't even on the radar at the time, and BJ is a much more cost-effective option in centres - you can sign BJ and another NRL-level player for Latrell's wage alone.

We're not the only club limited to dud deals.

Jack Bird, Anthony Milford, Darius Boyd, Ben Hunt and Corey Norman are just a few names off the top of my head that are on good coin and aren't returning on the reported investment.

Keiren Foran ...

Yeah the Dogs got themselves in a hole with a few. Hopoate, Woods, Foran.

 

[JD Tiger]

Crawly pulling numbers out his butt (no swearing coverup willow) again.

He also makes a lot of editorial commentary for a reporter.

"Tigers can ill-afford"
"Tigers are trying to sell it publicly"
"given some of the dud deals they have done in recent years"

The thing I intensely dislike about the idea of "dud deals" is many teams have done many done deals over the years, it's not restricted to Tigers.

And Tigers have a few blokes on the books who may have had an entirely different role / output had the coach stayed; i.e. it's the coach's movement that impacts many careers. This would be true of many clubs who move the coach on.

There are a few journos right now running the critical line that "Tigers need to sign someone before the season starts", whilst also acknowledging that the rush to sign players may have been a factor for the last coach.

Tigers don't actually have to do anything at all and I'm pleased that they aren't reacting to the media, that's one thing I like about Madge - you can write what you like, but Madge is his own man on his own schedule.

Finally - if you had said in October that our pre-season would be a swap BJ in and Esan out, I would have been cool with that. Latrell wasn't even on the radar at the time, and BJ is a much more cost-effective option in centres - you can sign BJ and another NRL-level player for Latrell's wage alone.

We're not the only club limited to dud deals.

Jack Bird, Anthony Milford, Darius Boyd, Ben Hunt and Corey Norman are just a few names off the top of my head that are on good coin and aren't returning on the reported investment.

Keiren Foran ...

Ash Taylor, Jarred Hayne, Greg Eastwood was on massive money and in Reserve Grade.

 

[wokesmoke]

Trying to be reasonable in this assessment, I think Corey has 3 issues at fullback.

No real passing game
One basic error in most games
The odd game that is a shocker

I think you can live with one of these issues and do well, but not all three.

I think passing is the only upgrade with AD

I agree though I think AD has a few upgrades on CT, just that they are not huge upgrades.

I think AD has more of a halves-type skillset for a fullback (passing and kicks), which is ideal, and he's rangy enough to be effective in the air.

Corey is ultimately too short, which is one of his two weaknesses as a FB - Corey is 5'10" and AD is almost 6'3". Short and doesn't have a pass/kick option, like you said, which makes it easier for opposition defences.

AD however is pretty weak in the tackle - Corey has double the tackle breaks and is just more energetic in the tackle IMO. AD has ever slightly better post-contact m and that might be attributed to his bigger overall size. Corey is only giving up 3 kg despite the height difference.

The arguably greatest fullback of the modern era was 5'10".

Height not a big issue for fullbacks. Don’t need to be tall if you have a good vertical as well.

 

[jirskyr]

Jack Bird, Anthony Milford, Darius Boyd, Ben Hunt and Corey Norman are just a few names off the top of my head that are on good coin and aren’t returning on the reported investment.

Blair the second and third times, Gagai, Ryley Jacks, Foran, Ramien, Brian Kelly, Bryce Cartwright, Kallum Watkins, Shannon Boyd, Lillyman, Guerra, SKD, Hodkinson, Lussick, Uate, Joe Burgess, Grevsmuhl, Kahu, Lachlan Coote, Justin O'Neill, Shaun Johnson, T-Rex several times, Aaron Gray etc.

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

Trying to be reasonable in this assessment, I think Corey has 3 issues at fullback.

No real passing game
One basic error in most games
The odd game that is a shocker

I think you can live with one of these issues and do well, but not all three.

I think passing is the only upgrade with AD

He's height and probably more assured under the high ball, Cory was nowhere last year in that area when under pressure.

 

[avocadoontoast]

Crawly pulling numbers out his butt (no swearing coverup willow) again.

He also makes a lot of editorial commentary for a reporter.

"Tigers can ill-afford"
"Tigers are trying to sell it publicly"
"given some of the dud deals they have done in recent years"

The thing I intensely dislike about the idea of "dud deals" is many teams have done many done deals over the years, it's not restricted to Tigers.

And Tigers have a few blokes on the books who may have had an entirely different role / output had the coach stayed; i.e. it's the coach's movement that impacts many careers. This would be true of many clubs who move the coach on.

There are a few journos right now running the critical line that "Tigers need to sign someone before the season starts", whilst also acknowledging that the rush to sign players may have been a factor for the last coach.

Tigers don't actually have to do anything at all and I'm pleased that they aren't reacting to the media, that's one thing I like about Madge - you can write what you like, but Madge is his own man on his own schedule.

Finally - if you had said in October that our pre-season would be a swap BJ in and Esan out, I would have been cool with that. Latrell wasn't even on the radar at the time, and BJ is a much more cost-effective option in centres - you can sign BJ and another NRL-level player for Latrell's wage alone.

We're not the only club limited to dud deals.

Jack Bird, Anthony Milford, Darius Boyd, Ben Hunt and Corey Norman are just a few names off the top of my head that are on good coin and aren't returning on the reported investment.

Keiren Foran ...

One of the worst deals ever.

 

[old_man_tiger]

Trying to be reasonable in this assessment, I think Corey has 3 issues at fullback.

No real passing game
One basic error in most games
The odd game that is a shocker

I think you can live with one of these issues and do well, but not all three.

I think passing is the only upgrade with AD

He's height and probably more assured under the high ball, Cory was nowhere last year in that area when under pressure.

I think all non specialists make more errors under the high ball, but can't argue height.

 

[Viking Warrior]

How many TRIES an Try Assists and tackle breaks has Doueihi had playing fullback in a gun team..?

Do you think Thompson is a better fullback than Doueihi?

huh...I was asking about Doueihi....If he signs He'll be playing for us with our plodders not Souff's..

Thompson breaks a lot of tackles ..just wondering what Doueihi output has been..

I was just asking your opinion as to who you'd prefer at 1

Cameron Munster

Is he available thow?

Isn't everybody..?

Well let's get him then!

 

[jirskyr]

Trying to be reasonable in this assessment, I think Corey has 3 issues at fullback.

No real passing game
One basic error in most games
The odd game that is a shocker

I think you can live with one of these issues and do well, but not all three.

I think passing is the only upgrade with AD

I agree though I think AD has a few upgrades on CT, just that they are not huge upgrades.

I think AD has more of a halves-type skillset for a fullback (passing and kicks), which is ideal, and he's rangy enough to be effective in the air.

Corey is ultimately too short, which is one of his two weaknesses as a FB - Corey is 5'10" and AD is almost 6'3". Short and doesn't have a pass/kick option, like you said, which makes it easier for opposition defences.

AD however is pretty weak in the tackle - Corey has double the tackle breaks and is just more energetic in the tackle IMO. AD has ever slightly better post-contact m and that might be attributed to his bigger overall size. Corey is only giving up 3 kg despite the height difference.

The arguably greatest fullback of the modern era was 5'10".

Height not a big issue for fullbacks. Don’t need to be tall if you have a good vertical as well.

What do they say, roughly, a good tall man will beat a good little man every time?

You get your variants for every consideration of course, but given the rule change for kick defence this year, I'd prefer to add more height where possible.

I have no idea, for example, how much "vertical" Daniel Toupou has, but it doesn't hurt at all that he's 6'5".

 

[wokesmoke]

Trying to be reasonable in this assessment, I think Corey has 3 issues at fullback.

No real passing game
One basic error in most games
The odd game that is a shocker

I think you can live with one of these issues and do well, but not all three.

I think passing is the only upgrade with AD

I agree though I think AD has a few upgrades on CT, just that they are not huge upgrades.

I think AD has more of a halves-type skillset for a fullback (passing and kicks), which is ideal, and he's rangy enough to be effective in the air.

Corey is ultimately too short, which is one of his two weaknesses as a FB - Corey is 5'10" and AD is almost 6'3". Short and doesn't have a pass/kick option, like you said, which makes it easier for opposition defences.

AD however is pretty weak in the tackle - Corey has double the tackle breaks and is just more energetic in the tackle IMO. AD has ever slightly better post-contact m and that might be attributed to his bigger overall size. Corey is only giving up 3 kg despite the height difference.

The arguably greatest fullback of the modern era was 5'10".

Height not a big issue for fullbacks. Don’t need to be tall if you have a good vertical as well.

What do they say, roughly, a good tall man will beat a good little man every time?

You get your variants for every consideration of course, but given the rule change for kick defence this year, I'd prefer to add more height where possible.

I have no idea, for example, how much "vertical" Daniel Toupou has, but it doesn't hurt at all that he's 6'5".

I don’t know if you want a 6”5 fullback running at pace trying to clean up grubbers either

 

[Curaeus]

Joey can be a bit flaky, but when he's "on" he's very dangerous and might provide at least a bit of the X factor we've missed since we lost Teddy to the Chooks

 

[Geo]

Only the tigers can be this bad with recruitment, Doueihi should be the priority.

Moan some more mate.

Can u clarify something for me..

You're a tigers fan that works for the cowboys?

I have a soft spot for the tigers. Am associated with a few nrl clubs and 3 nbl clubs

Which players should I pick in my Supercoach Team..?

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

Jack Bird, Anthony Milford, Darius Boyd, Ben Hunt and Corey Norman are just a few names off the top of my head that are on good coin and aren’t returning on the reported investment.

Blair the second and third times, Gagai, Ryley Jacks, Foran, Ramien, Brian Kelly, Bryce Cartwright, Kallum Watkins, Shannon Boyd, Lillyman, Guerra, SKD, Hodkinson, Lussick, Uate, Joe Burgess, Grevsmuhl, Kahu, Lachlan Coote, Justin O'Neill, Shaun Johnson, T-Rex several times, Aaron Gray etc.

There is either a lot of smart managers out there ruining the game OR a lot of dumb greedy chief executives trying to justify their existence

 

[wokesmoke]

Only the tigers can be this bad with recruitment, Doueihi should be the priority.

Moan some more mate.

Can u clarify something for me..

You're a tigers fan that works for the cowboys?

I have a soft spot for the tigers. Am associated with a few nrl clubs and 3 nbl clubs

Which players should I pick in my Supercoach Team..?

Make sure Phillip Sami is one