SMH: Maguire not the problem

[Cultured_Bogan]

You would have been hard up yesterday finding a commentator who wouldn't have given us stick for that performance.

Gus has made many positive references to us during games over the years as well.

 

[upthetigers]

No hard feelings Brooksy but it's time you pack your bags.

 

[Tim Sheens]

“Luke Brooks is NOT the problem with Tigers. Tigers may well be the problem for Luke Brooks”.

I agree with Gould.

 

[Tim Sheens]

It looks like the playing group are just waiting until the club chops Madge.

If there is one thing Wests Tigers do know how to do, it's how to get a coach sacked. It's engrained in us. It's almost the only thing we have a culture for.

Yet we have only sacked two coaches since before we won our premiership 16 years ago and apart from Bellamy, one of them in Sheens may have been the second longest serving in that period across the comp.

 

[Cairnstigers]

Tbh, it’s not Brooks fault that he doesn’t have the ability everyone expects. ****Someone the other night was saying he should see what Sam Walker did the other night and learn a thing or two**** as if it’s that easy. If it were, every halfback would be doing it, and what Walker did would not have been that special. Im not a fan of Brooks, but I at least see him for what he is. If you want to get angry at someone, blame the coaches that have constantly picked him every week and re-signed him every time his contract was up. That’s on them, not Brooks.

I will put my hand up as say that was me who said that
And Brooks must of listened because he threw one of those long spiral passes out to Nofoaluma’s wing
It was over Nofoaluma’s head but he just managed to catch it and stay in field of play
It was the 1st time I can honestly say I have seen Brooks attempt that kind of pass
It was a pass normally reserved for Benji
Well it's now something Brooks should look at doing more often
And Douiehi for that matter
I was actually happy Brooks attempted the pass
It didn't result in a try but it was a different play from him

 

[Zach]

If only sacking the team was as easy as sacking the coach, because that's what needs to happen.

 

[Harvey]

Your patience can be tested but that first half performance on Sunday was all about effort and attitude.”

The Wests Tigers lost 34-30 and were booed off the paddock at half-time, trailing 28-6.

**“This is something no administration has got control over,” Hagipantelis said.**

“Once the boys cross that line and run onto the paddock they’ve got to do their jobs.


What garbage.... They weren't ready, they didn't turn up... That's meant to be addressed by the head cosch BEFORE and in the lead up to the game

Who would have thought running a law firm and having a bucket load of cash suddenly makes you a rugby league expert.

The more I see of Chairman Lee, the more convinced I am that he is a tool, completely out of his depth.

We have handed over the keys to the club to someone completely unqualified in return for sponsorship.

 

[davey_farrell]

I agree Harvey!!
Lee has to shut his mouth, talks way too much for my liking , its getting embarressing!!
why did he get the number 7 jersey from Brooks, why not someone like Les Boyd a teammate and close friend of Tommy

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Your patience can be tested but that first half performance on Sunday was all about effort and attitude.”

The Wests Tigers lost 34-30 and were booed off the paddock at half-time, trailing 28-6.

**“This is something no administration has got control over,” Hagipantelis said.**

“Once the boys cross that line and run onto the paddock they’ve got to do their jobs.


What garbage.... They weren't ready, they didn't turn up... That's meant to be addressed by the head cosch BEFORE and in the lead up to the game

How do you figure that ? If they train well , do everything they’re supposed to do , warm up well , and then mentally fall into a heap , whilst out there , how is it the coaches fault ? Outside of engaging mental health professionals.

They clearly weren't prepared... You couldn't see that?
First try to them... no hunger it was like as someone else put it "oh well well get that one back next"
It's clear the preparation and whatever they're doing to in still some aggro and attitude isn't there... It's. Like they didn't give a stuff.. I'm sick of it

It’s not clear at all . It’s clear they mentally are weak , and don’t have the aptitude to hit someone for 80 mins , and want to do it the way we did it the second half , where we rack up 30 and lose by bad goal kicking .

 

[Tiger5150]

Poor guy gets all the blame. Interesting article - looks like those in power are turning on the players but that could change pretty quickly.

Given how good the juniors are looking I’d stick with Madge

I don’t know tho who’s to blame for the first grade recruitment?

IMO the first grade recruitment is the best it has ever been. Blore, JOffa, STefano, Doueihi, Laurie, Musgrove, are all some of the best signings in the last decade. People will counter with JTJ & BJ but not all gambles will pay off. Despite the current circumstances I am convinced things are heading in the right direction.

 

[Tiger5150]

Maguire not the problem?

- The rules change to enable piggy-back sets off poor discipline in the ruck. Maguire response? Let's build a massive, immobile forward pack for 2021 - he's not a progressive thinker...the best coaches are.

The rule changes were made after our signings.


- Adam Doueihi didn't kick at all in the first half yesterday.

He put the grubber through that forced a dropout.

 

[Bigscreentv]

Maguire not the problem?

- The rules change to enable piggy-back sets off poor discipline in the ruck. Maguire response? Let's build a massive, immobile forward pack for 2021 - he's not a progressive thinker...the best coaches are.

The rule changes were made after our signings.


- Adam Doueihi didn't kick at all in the first half yesterday.

He put the grubber through that forced a dropout.

Ok, point taken, but Doueihi didn't kick anywhere near as much as he should have and our pack isn't mobile enough. Why are we playing Twal as a lock?

 

[Bigscreentv]

**It’s clear they mentally are weak** , and don’t have the aptitude to hit someone for 80 mins , and want to do it the way we did it the second half , where we rack up 30 and lose by bad goal kicking .

Agreed - we are a fair-weather team. If things are going our way, we're fine. If the game is a grind we're nowhere.

Isn't Macguire's bread and butter meant to be mental toughness?

 

[Harvey]

Our kicking game is terrible. It is always a better option to kick to open space and chase.

Doueihi's kicks only looked good because Ferguson is such a nufty and kept grassing them. Any first grade standard back 3 should catch those sort of bombs 90%+ of the time.

My question is are these kicks based on tactics developed by the coach? If so is it because he does not trust our kickers to be able to find space without putting the ball dead and handing over a 7 tackle set?

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

A nothing article.
Brooks didn’t cost us the game yesterday.
Alot of others need to go before him.

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

Maguire not the problem?

- The rules change to enable piggy-back sets off poor discipline in the ruck. Maguire response? Let's build a massive, immobile forward pack for 2021 - he's not a progressive thinker...the best coaches are.

The rule changes were made after our signings.


- Adam Doueihi didn't kick at all in the first half yesterday.

He put the grubber through that forced a dropout.

Ok, point taken, but Doueihi didn't kick anywhere near as much as he should have and our pack isn't mobile enough. Why are we playing Twal as a lock?

We need someone who is creative at lock

Maguire not the problem?

- The rules change to enable piggy-back sets off poor discipline in the ruck. Maguire response? Let's build a massive, immobile forward pack for 2021 - he's not a progressive thinker...the best coaches are.

The rule changes were made after our signings.


- Adam Doueihi didn't kick at all in the first half yesterday.

He put the grubber through that forced a dropout.

Ok, point taken, but Doueihi didn't kick anywhere near as much as he should have and our pack isn't mobile enough. Why are we playing Twal as a lock?

We need someone creative at lock.Twal is a front rower who needs to get an off load in his game it's not much good having someone like Laurie sniffing around for an off load when it's not going to happen

 

[jirskyr]

Your patience can be tested but that first half performance on Sunday was all about effort and attitude.”

The Wests Tigers lost 34-30 and were booed off the paddock at half-time, trailing 28-6.

**“This is something no administration has got control over,” Hagipantelis said.**

“Once the boys cross that line and run onto the paddock they’ve got to do their jobs.


What garbage.... They weren't ready, they didn't turn up... That's meant to be addressed by the head cosch BEFORE and in the lead up to the game


Who would have thought running a law firm and having a bucket load of cash suddenly makes you a rugby league expert.

The more I see of Chairman Lee, the more convinced I am that he is a tool, completely out of his depth.

We have handed over the keys to the club to someone completely unqualified in return for sponsorship.

I think you misunderstand the role and expected experience of the Chairperson. Marina Go didn't have a league background, neither did Barry O'F. The current Wests Ashfield CEO (and Tigers board member, interim Chair) Simon Cook isn't from League. They are business people. At that level, Wests Tigers and Wests Leagues Club are a business.

I'd rather Lee H "shoot his mouth off" on occasion and keep his sponsorship money and connections, than punt Lee to the kerb.

 

[Harvey]

Your patience can be tested but that first half performance on Sunday was all about effort and attitude.”

The Wests Tigers lost 34-30 and were booed off the paddock at half-time, trailing 28-6.

**“This is something no administration has got control over,” Hagipantelis said.**

“Once the boys cross that line and run onto the paddock they’ve got to do their jobs.


What garbage.... They weren't ready, they didn't turn up... That's meant to be addressed by the head cosch BEFORE and in the lead up to the game


Who would have thought running a law firm and having a bucket load of cash suddenly makes you a rugby league expert.

The more I see of Chairman Lee, the more convinced I am that he is a tool, completely out of his depth.

We have handed over the keys to the club to someone completely unqualified in return for sponsorship.

I think you misunderstand the role and expected experience of the Chairperson. Marina Go didn't have a league background, neither did Barry O'F. The current Wests Ashfield CEO (and Tigers board member, interim Chair) Simon Cook isn't from League. They are business people. At that level, Wests Tigers and Wests Leagues Club are a business.

I'd rather Lee H "shoot his mouth off" on occasion and keep his sponsorship money and connections, than punt Lee to the kerb.

Exactly. He is a business person, they hire football people to make football decisions and yet Chairman Lee seems to keep wanting to place himself front and centre.

Recruitment, leave the meetings to him. Tommy Raudonikis commemoration, let him display the jersey. Can someone at the ground tell me did he do that in all grades, or only when the TV cameras were around.

Best thing he could bring from his business knowledge is introducing a no win no pay to membership, tickets and some of our bludgers contracts.

 

[TigerWest]

Your patience can be tested but that first half performance on Sunday was all about effort and attitude.”

The Wests Tigers lost 34-30 and were booed off the paddock at half-time, trailing 28-6.

**“This is something no administration has got control over,” Hagipantelis said.**

“Once the boys cross that line and run onto the paddock they’ve got to do their jobs.


What garbage.... They weren't ready, they didn't turn up... That's meant to be addressed by the head cosch BEFORE and in the lead up to the game


Who would have thought running a law firm and having a bucket load of cash suddenly makes you a rugby league expert.

The more I see of Chairman Lee, the more convinced I am that he is a tool, completely out of his depth.

We have handed over the keys to the club to someone completely unqualified in return for sponsorship.

I think you misunderstand the role and expected experience of the Chairperson. Marina Go didn't have a league background, neither did Barry O'F. The current Wests Ashfield CEO (and Tigers board member, interim Chair) Simon Cook isn't from League. They are business people. At that level, Wests Tigers and Wests Leagues Club are a business.

I'd rather Lee H "shoot his mouth off" on occasion and keep his sponsorship money and connections, than punt Lee to the kerb.

Exactly. He is a business person, they hire football people to make football decisions and yet Chairman Lee seems to keep wanting to place himself front and centre.

Recruitment, leave the meetings to him. Tommy Raudonikis commemoration, let him display the jersey. Can someone at the ground tell me did he do that in all grades, or only when the TV cameras were around.

Best thing he could bring from his business knowledge is introducing a no win no pay to membership, tickets and some of our bludgers contracts.

I think his money and the fact he is chairman of the club gives him some entitlements, I don't see a problem, at least he cares.

 

[Lauren]

Unfortunately I can't help but look at this from another angle.
Our coaches and players have often been used as scapegoats, for our lack of onfield success, just as much as our club and team club culture is brought into the conversation.
So perhaps when players don't sign with us it's not only because of our image - due to the exacerbation caused by any negative media attention - but that they just don't wish to have that added pressure on them.
I don't think the lower standard of being assigned with helping a club makes finals footy is the biggest reason that we can't land top line signatures. But moreso no one wants to risk becoming the whipping boy due to the club's/team's ongoing failure.

I'm actually stunned by the number of comments suggesting that Luke Brooks needs to feel all the pressure of this. As I think the club is a little demoralising (or certainly has been in the past) and a pressure cooker environment which has only caused players to languish. Not many players will thrive in these conditions and it needs to be rectified for our next lot of talented juniors, so we're not only a chance of keeping them but more importantly a club capable of optimally nurturing their development.