THE 4......THREAD

[tigerap]

I've started to look closer on the whole big 4 contract situation, and I've come to terms that the starting 5 rounds will either make or break our season.

Depending on how we start, for example if we have a solid start and win let's say 4 out of the first 5 games. I reckon Teddy, Moses, Woods and Brooks will go bang bang bang and sign extensions depending on if the money is right and it'll really set a tone for the rest of the season and if Brooks can have a solid season I can see us making the top 4.

But if we have a bad start to the season, all the media will be on Taylor and it'll cause a massive distraction to our season and the big 4 will be reluctant to sign.

That's my analysis on the whole situation.

that was almost word for word what Matty Johns said in the Grill team this morning

 

[tigerap]

give teddy woods and Moses what they want they deserve every dollar they get however it is a gamble throwing 600k to Moses when in reality he has had 1 good season I think if brooks is going to stay he is going to have to accept the 350k the tigers are going to offer him for that reason he might take an offer else where. brooks has not proved himself the way Moses has.id love them all to stay but will be content with woods teddy and Moses resigning

If Brooks is in $550k now why would he accept $350k moving forward… no one would accept that!.

 

[teddy23]

I've started to look closer on the whole big 4 contract situation, and I've come to terms that the starting 5 rounds will either make or break our season.

Depending on how we start, for example if we have a solid start and win let's say 4 out of the first 5 games. I reckon Teddy, Moses, Woods and Brooks will go bang bang bang and sign extensions depending on if the money is right and it'll really set a tone for the rest of the season and if Brooks can have a solid season I can see us making the top 4.

But if we have a bad start to the season, all the media will be on Taylor and it'll cause a massive distraction to our season and the big 4 will be reluctant to sign.

That's my analysis on the whole situation.

that was almost word for word what Matty Johns said in the Grill team this morning

I agree with him 100%, that was exactly how I saw things as well and when I heard him say it I thought I'd put it on here.

 

[WestsBenTigers]

I've started to look closer on the whole big 4 contract situation, and I've come to terms that the starting 5 rounds will either make or break our season.

Depending on how we start, for example if we have a solid start and win let's say 4 out of the first 5 games. I reckon Teddy, Moses, Woods and Brooks will go bang bang bang and sign extensions depending on if the money is right and it'll really set a tone for the rest of the season and if Brooks can have a solid season I can see us making the top 4.

But if we have a bad start to the season, all the media will be on Taylor and it'll cause a massive distraction to our season and the big 4 will be reluctant to sign.

That's my analysis on the whole situation.

that was almost word for word what Matty Johns said in the Grill team this morning

Well either way it is true.

I also like what yous said about Brooks. If he plays well and develops in the way that Moses did in the backend of 2016 than we are a genuine shot of making the top 4\. That is a big ask of Brooks though but if we are throwing loads of money at him we onivously have faith the he can grow and develop his game in the same way that Moses did. If we are going to axe a world-class hooker so our halves can recieve more ball, then Brooks needs to stand up and say to Liddle/Ballin/McIllwrick that he wants the ball. If he also improves the weights of his kicks, epecially in the opposition's 20, than I would almost back us to make the top 4, and maybe the premiership.

It is all up to Brooks. If he steps up then who know where 2017 could go… :sign:

 

[Nucky_Thompson]

I've started to look closer on the whole big 4 contract situation, and I've come to terms that the starting 5 rounds will either make or break our season.

Depending on how we start, for example if we have a solid start and win let's say 4 out of the first 5 games. I reckon Teddy, Moses, Woods and Brooks will go bang bang bang and sign extensions depending on if the money is right and it'll really set a tone for the rest of the season and if Brooks can have a solid season I can see us making the top 4.

But if we have a bad start to the season, all the media will be on Taylor and it'll cause a massive distraction to our season and the big 4 will be reluctant to sign.

That's my analysis on the whole situation.

that was almost word for word what Matty Johns said in the Grill team this morning

I agree with him 100%, that was exactly how I saw things as well and when I heard him say it I thought I'd put it on here.

Well we have very tough draw so I can't see us winning many unless we turned into Melbourne storm.

 

[Nelson]

give teddy woods and Moses what they want they deserve every dollar they get however it is a gamble throwing 600k to Moses when in reality he has had 1 good season I think if brooks is going to stay he is going to have to accept the 350k the tigers are going to offer him for that reason he might take an offer else where. brooks has not proved himself the way Moses has.id love them all to stay but will be content with woods teddy and Moses resigning

If Brooks is in $550k now why would he accept $350k moving forward… no one would accept that!.

If that's the best he gets offered anywhere you can be damn sure he'll be taking $350K…

 

[supercoach]

We might think Brooks has been down on form over the past few years but I bet there are a couple of clubs willing to throw plenty of money at him and if we want him we will also have to throw plenty of money at him

 

[TCL]

I've started to look closer on the whole big 4 contract situation, and I've come to terms that the starting 5 rounds will either make or break our season.

Depending on how we start, for example if we have a solid start and win let's say 4 out of the first 5 games. I reckon Teddy, Moses, Woods and Brooks will go bang bang bang and sign extensions depending on if the money is right and it'll really set a tone for the rest of the season and if Brooks can have a solid season I can see us making the top 4.

But if we have a bad start to the season, all the media will be on Taylor and it'll cause a massive distraction to our season and the big 4 will be reluctant to sign.

That's my analysis on the whole situation.

So many scenarios could play out.

Teddy may sign before start of season and the others may follow?

We win the first five they sign and then we end up finishing 10th and Jt is moved on?

We lose the first 5 then go an a winning streak and make the 8 they all sign?

We lose first 5 JT gets sacked new coach announced and they all stay?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I'm still hopeful we might here something in the next week or two. Some good news going into next Friday would give the club and supporters a massive lift.

 

[tigerap]

I've started to look closer on the whole big 4 contract situation, and I've come to terms that the starting 5 rounds will either make or break our season.

Depending on how we start, for example if we have a solid start and win let's say 4 out of the first 5 games. I reckon Teddy, Moses, Woods and Brooks will go bang bang bang and sign extensions depending on if the money is right and it'll really set a tone for the rest of the season and if Brooks can have a solid season I can see us making the top 4.

But if we have a bad start to the season, all the media will be on Taylor and it'll cause a massive distraction to our season and the big 4 will be reluctant to sign.

That's my analysis on the whole situation.

that was almost word for word what Matty Johns said in the Grill team this morning

I agree with him 100%, that was exactly how I saw things as well and when I heard him say it I thought I'd put it on here.

Well we have very tough draw so I can't see us winning many unless we turned into Melbourne storm.

The reality is we wont win 4 out of first 5 games(great if we do tho)….we have one of the toughest opening 5 rounds draw in the NRL...Our performances over the first 5 rounds is what will count....if we compete well in all games, give 100% and improve game on game...the result is almost immaterial IMO....

 

[Harvey]

I've started to look closer on the whole big 4 contract situation, and I've come to terms that the starting 5 rounds will either make or break our season.

Depending on how we start, for example if we have a solid start and win let's say 4 out of the first 5 games. I reckon Teddy, Moses, Woods and Brooks will go bang bang bang and sign extensions depending on if the money is right and it'll really set a tone for the rest of the season and if Brooks can have a solid season I can see us making the top 4.

But if we have a bad start to the season, all the media will be on Taylor and it'll cause a massive distraction to our season and the big 4 will be reluctant to sign.

That's my analysis on the whole situation.

So many scenarios could play out.

Teddy may sign before start of season and the others may follow?

We win the first five they sign and then we end up finishing 10th and Jt is moved on?

We lose the first 5 then go an a winning streak and make the 8 they all sign?

We lose first 5 JT gets sacked new coach announced and they all stay?

Biggest fear is we lose the first 5, they start to doubt the direction the club is moving in and offers from clubs that have regular success seem more appealing, even if there is as much if not more money available here.
I hope that Tedesco signs before the season kicks off.

 

[TCL]

that was almost word for word what Matty Johns said in the Grill team this morning

I agree with him 100%, that was exactly how I saw things as well and when I heard him say it I thought I'd put it on here.

Well we have very tough draw so I can't see us winning many unless we turned into Melbourne storm.

The reality is we wont win 4 out of first 5 games(great if we do tho)….we have one of the toughest opening 5 rounds draw in the NRL...Our performances over the first 5 rounds is what will count....if we compete well in all games, give 100% and improve game on game...the result is almost immaterial IMO....

I hear you, but the first 3 to 5 weeks of football can be hit and miss. Teams are still green, the heat, the rain, changes in patterns, plays go wrong. Some of the teams we are playing may be looking at our game as an easy one and we catch them napping. So hard to get tips flowing at start of the year.

Anythings possible get a few wins and confidence goes up, passes and tackles stick, its a new year!

 

[colmcd]

Does Isaac Moses really have all 4 under his contract management?

I don't know why this isn't the main talking point. Think about it, why would all 4 join under the one manager.

The only reason I can think of is an all or nothing pact. We have all 4 stars you want, they want to stick together, they want 600-800K each. Pay up or they walk.

Lastly on the first 5 games. From past experience I can see us beating say Melbourne and the Sharks but loosing to the Dragons and Newcastle. Then again I think we have had a good record vs Melbourne and I think that is because Farah can at least stand up to Smith (Farah plays a very aggressive in your face game. I would only rate him and Andrew McCullough against Smith at all. Maybe Nathan Peats too).
Smith however would run over Ballin, Mcilwick or even Jordan Rankin.

 

[Masterton]

Does Isaac Moses really have all 4 under his contract management?

I don't know why this isn't the main talking point. Think about it, why would all 4 join under the one manager.

Could go the other way. Mitch asks for too much money, we say, "sure, but you know we can't afford Brooksy then."

 

[Tim Sheens]

Does Isaac Moses really have all 4 under his contract management?

I don't know why this isn't the main talking point. Think about it, why would all 4 join under the one manager.

The only reason I can think of is an all or nothing pact. We have all 4 stars you want, they want to stick together, they want 600-800K each. Pay up or they walk.

Lastly on the first 5 games. From past experience I can see us beating say Melbourne and the Sharks but loosing to the Dragons and Newcastle. Then again I think we have had a good record vs Melbourne and I think that is because Farah can at least stand up to Smith (Farah plays a very aggressive in your face game. I would only rate him and Andrew McCullough against Smith at all. Maybe Nathan Peats too).
Smith however would run over Ballin, Mcilwick or even Jordan Rankin.

Admin at WT would be doing cartwheels if they all signed at that price.

 

[TrueTiger]

You know what?..if we don't win games with these highly paid,hyped up NRL stars to be ..except Teddy and Woods( because they have proven themselves)whats the good of having them if they cant get us to the top 4/8..I have never heard so much hype over a half back that killed them in NYC ,but doesn't give a yelp in the big arena and I mean Brooks in particular,Moses is coming good and needs to..I would rather call them the big 3Woods ,Moses and Teddy…and that's being generous particularly if Moses gets injured early...If we play finals this year I will be absolutely rapt,but all 4 must be in the run on side and give at least 60/80 minutes every week , and we know they can....

 

[Harvey]

Does Isaac Moses really have all 4 under his contract management?

I don't know why this isn't the main talking point. Think about it, why would all 4 join under the one manager.

The only reason I can think of is an all or nothing pact. We have all 4 stars you want, they want to stick together, they want 600-800K each. Pay up or they walk.

Lastly on the first 5 games. From past experience I can see us beating say Melbourne and the Sharks but loosing to the Dragons and Newcastle. Then again I think we have had a good record vs Melbourne and I think that is because Farah can at least stand up to Smith (Farah plays a very aggressive in your face game. I would only rate him and Andrew McCullough against Smith at all. Maybe Nathan Peats too).
Smith however would run over Ballin, Mcilwick or even Jordan Rankin.

As an agent, surely he he would have to try and produce the best result for each of them individually. Sure they can decide to sign for what is not the best offer financially for whatever reason, but if he was truly earning his money, he would be shopping all 4 around to every club, gauging interest and seeking an offer to take back to his client.
I don't think that there are more than a couple of clubs who would have enough cap space to sign all 4

 

[colmcd]

Does Isaac Moses really have all 4 under his contract management?

I don't know why this isn't the main talking point. Think about it, why would all 4 join under the one manager.

Could go the other way. Mitch asks for too much money, we say, "sure, but you know we can't afford Brooksy then."

True, but that's what you expect. Mitch, Woods and Tedesco must be asking for something close to 800k each. You would imagine that different managers would try to push up one client ahead of the other.
While having all 4 under one manager to me creates a conflict of interest. If he asks for more money for Tedesco, then there is less money for Brooks, More for Woods, less for Moses….

So why all 4! Either they are wanting to stay together and are negotiating a package deal, knowing it won't be the best price but a good price for all of them. OR they are wanting to extract as much money from the WT as they can.

 

[Fumbles]

As an agent, surely he he would have to try and produce the best result for each of them individually. Sure they can decide to sign for what is not the best offer financially for whatever reason, but if he was truly earning his money, he would be shopping all 4 around to every club, gauging interest and seeking an offer to take back to his client.
I don't think that there are more than a couple of clubs who would have enough cap space to sign all 4

Some managers are only concerned about getting the most money which isn't always in the clients best interests. Isaac Moses would be doing his best for each individual, but he respects that the players employ him and will be guided by them.
They all want to stay. The only problem I see is I don't think they are all sold on JT, but if he fails there is Ivan Cleary waiting to take over.

I have no doubt Tedesco, Woods and Moses will resigned. Brooks well once those 3 resign he won't have a choice.

 

[Demps]

Slater / Tedesco
Cronk / Moses
Smith / Woods
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Maloney, Green, Munster / Brooks
(Replaceable)