The anticipation of a great 2017 season...

[TCL]

Can we get that in writing?

I've said previously no guarantees that another coach could or would have done better, but that's not the point. You have to judge JT on what he said he was going to do and what he did.

IMO he hasn't delivered but all that aside he has 2017 to prove himself. My only stumbling point as far as next year is concerned, what do we do if we are really struggling by mid next season?

Does he see out the season, how does that effect our retention plans, will announcing his replacement give us a chance at securing our key players and also help attract other potentials.

On the flip if we are going gang busters do we extend or still look for a coach to take us to the next level,if there is such a coach available.

My only concern is, will we be able to attract players to the club with JT at the helm (**given his reputation).** Sure we have had players come since he has been here but they have been fringe buys not star signings. ET from reserve, Idris from wilderness (not saying they are bad signings but not players that we had to heavily compete for).

The more I think about 2017, the more I think it is going to be very similler to 2016.

What exactly is his reputation?

He is divisive, not the easiest to get along with, hasn't been well supported by previous playing groups, a nob, just the stuff you may have read about in the papers. I don't know him personally and thats why i say reputation, because thats what is reputed by those that do know him.

Is there something you know that is contrary?

Outside of Farah and some fans on here i havn't heard those things said about him at all. That's why i was curious to hear your thoughts on his reputation.
But its his success as a coach that will attract or repel players to him, none of that other rubbish.

Fair enough, time will tell. I hope your right. But there were plenty of reports about JT prior to and after which is what i reference as reputation - which after all is perception.

But lets both put JT to one side.

I hope this year, like i do at the start of every year that we have a great year and I wear every loss for days. If we have a great year we cheer, we scream with joy - no one questions performance all bad plays and decisions are forgotten.

Does that mean that when we come out of some bad years and just miss the 8, the same thing should happen?

If no, you assess and then you start looking at options and possible scenarios. But you always start at the top. Thats all i was doing.

 

[TCL]

851, you say that JT takes a set against players doing the same things he did as a player and you are probably right but doesn't that show that he has matured and is trying to steer young players away from repeating his own earlier mistakes?

Thats a fair point maybe he has matured and learnt? i dear say that the last two years haven't been easy for him and he may have grown as a leader?

 

[happy_tiger]

The reason our clubs can not attract marquee signings has nothing to do with Taylor, its all about the salary cap and to lesser extent our ability to get reliable TPA's. The top coaches attract the top players because they offer the big bucks, and any club no matter who is coach has to pay overs to attract players once they slip down the ladder, you only have to look at Parra.

Anyway as I said in a previous post I can understand why their is lots of hate out there for Taylor, I just do not think till we get our house in order anyone els would do any better

If the price of pies , hot dogs ,beers or tickets goes up it will be Taylor's fault :crazy

 

[happy_tiger]

Well written. I've supported the club far longer than JT has been coach. JT has always been a divisive figure and should have been punted.

Besides being divisive, he is a hypocrite, he as a coach has a huge problem with players who do what he did when he was a player.

So what did Taylor do as a player ??

You've lost me 851…... not sure what you mean ??

Question the coach's team selections and tactics, get into all sorts of mischief away from the club, JT clashed with god knows how many people from the moment he reached the Winfield cup, he takes a set against any player who does these things, all the while knowing he did these same things throughout his career.
I have never liked the bloke, and in my opinion he is out of his depth as a head coach, his ceiling is assistant coach, but I don't want to take over this thread with my view on him.

I think you need to leave your hate at the door brother

The guy wasn't blessed with a great deal of talent , but certainly made the most of what he had and worked terribly hard on his game

Was told by Danny Peacock when he was there he was the 1st at training and the last to leave

You've got to respect players / people like that

Don't like the bloke that's fine , he deserves some respect though

 

[851]

Besides being divisive, he is a hypocrite, he as a coach has a huge problem with players who do what he did when he was a player.

So what did Taylor do as a player ??

You've lost me 851…... not sure what you mean ??

Question the coach's team selections and tactics, get into all sorts of mischief away from the club, JT clashed with god knows how many people from the moment he reached the Winfield cup, he takes a set against any player who does these things, all the while knowing he did these same things throughout his career.
I have never liked the bloke, and in my opinion he is out of his depth as a head coach, his ceiling is assistant coach, but I don't want to take over this thread with my view on him.

I think you need to leave your hate at the door brother

The guy wasn't blessed with a great deal of talent , but certainly made the most of what he had and worked terribly hard on his game

Was told by Danny Peacock when he was there he was the 1st at training and the last to leave

You've got to respect players / people like that

Don't like the bloke that's fine , he deserves some respect though

I have said quite a few times in other threads, JT was a tough player, played something like 180 straight games, but I don't like him or his actions throughout his career, and that is my opinion.

 

[Tiger4life]

The reason our clubs can not attract marquee signings has nothing to do with Taylor, its all about the salary cap and to lesser extent our ability to get reliable TPA's. The top coaches attract the top players because they offer the big bucks, and any club no matter who is coach has to pay overs to attract players once they slip down the ladder, you only have to look at Parra.

Anyway as I said in a previous post I can understand why their is lots of hate out there for Taylor, I just do not think till we get our house in order anyone els would do any better

If the price of pies , hot dogs ,beers or tickets goes up it will be Taylor's fault :crazy

And if Taylor reshuffles half the team to put our winger at dummy half let's blame the guy selling hot dogs. And when he puts Lovett at centre and costs us two games let's blame it on the barman.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

The reason our clubs can not attract marquee signings has nothing to do with Taylor, its all about the salary cap and to lesser extent our ability to get reliable TPA's. The top coaches attract the top players because they offer the big bucks, and any club no matter who is coach has to pay overs to attract players once they slip down the ladder, you only have to look at Parra.

Anyway as I said in a previous post I can understand why their is lots of hate out there for Taylor, I just do not think till we get our house in order anyone els would do any better

If the price of pies , hot dogs ,beers or tickets goes up it will be Taylor's fault :crazy

**And if Taylor reshuffles half the team to put our winger at dummy half let's blame the guy selling hot dogs**. And when he puts Lovett at centre and costs us two games let's blame it on the barman.

We won 4 games with that winger at dummy half. No need to blame anyone.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Im positive about what could happen in 2017 as well,

But for us to make the 8 or even the 4, others need to drop down.

My Question - Who is gonna make way for the Tigers. Dogs maybe. Who Else????

The top 8 changes every year. It's not as drastic as you are making it out to be.

 

[851]

Besides being divisive, he is a hypocrite, he as a coach has a huge problem with players who do what he did when he was a player.

So what did Taylor do as a player ??

You've lost me 851…... not sure what you mean ??

Question the coach's team selections and tactics, get into all sorts of mischief away from the club, JT clashed with god knows how many people from the moment he reached the Winfield cup, he takes a set against any player who does these things, all the while knowing he did these same things throughout his career.
I have never liked the bloke, and in my opinion he is out of his depth as a head coach, his ceiling is assistant coach, but I don't want to take over this thread with my view on him.

I think you need to leave your hate at the door brother

The guy wasn't blessed with a great deal of talent , but certainly made the most of what he had and worked terribly hard on his game

Was told by Danny Peacock when he was there he was the 1st at training and the last to leave

You've got to respect players / people like that

Don't like the bloke that's fine , he deserves some respect though

One last thing on JT, I respect my parents, my grandparents when they were alive, people who fought or are fighting for our country, Victor Chang, Fred Hollows or the like, but Jason Taylor, please.

 

[Geo]

The reason our clubs can not attract marquee signings has nothing to do with Taylor, its all about the salary cap and to lesser extent our ability to get reliable TPA's. The top coaches attract the top players because they offer the big bucks, and any club no matter who is coach has to pay overs to attract players once they slip down the ladder, you only have to look at Parra.

Anyway as I said in a previous post I can understand why their is lots of hate out there for Taylor, I just do not think till we get our house in order anyone els would do any better

If the price of pies , hot dogs ,beers or tickets goes up it will be Taylor's fault :crazy

Woah…hold on there mister...Who's putting up the price of Pies...?

Supercoach nailed it again...Taylor may well not be a long term Coach here but the shift in focus and playing style was needed which the next Coach will benefit from..we will look back in the future with a different view of his tenure...

 

[Tiger4life]

The reason our clubs can not attract marquee signings has nothing to do with Taylor, its all about the salary cap and to lesser extent our ability to get reliable TPA's. The top coaches attract the top players because they offer the big bucks, and any club no matter who is coach has to pay overs to attract players once they slip down the ladder, you only have to look at Parra.

Anyway as I said in a previous post I can understand why their is lots of hate out there for Taylor, I just do not think till we get our house in order anyone els would do any better

If the price of pies , hot dogs ,beers or tickets goes up it will be Taylor's fault :crazy

**And if Taylor reshuffles half the team to put our winger at dummy half let's blame the guy selling hot dogs**. And when he puts Lovett at centre and costs us two games let's blame it on the barman.

We won 4 games with that winger at dummy half. No need to blame anyone.

And when it was on the line against panthers and raiders, did we win those games aswell. Or did we get our asses kicked.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

If the price of pies , hot dogs ,beers or tickets goes up it will be Taylor's fault :crazy

**And if Taylor reshuffles half the team to put our winger at dummy half let's blame the guy selling hot dogs**. And when he puts Lovett at centre and costs us two games let's blame it on the barman.

We won 4 games with that winger at dummy half. No need to blame anyone.

And when it was on the line against panthers and raiders, did we win those games aswell. Or did we get our asses kicked.

Was that the reason we lost?

 

[wonka]

**And if Taylor reshuffles half the team to put our winger at dummy half let's blame the guy selling hot dogs**. And when he puts Lovett at centre and costs us two games let's blame it on the barman.

We won 4 games with that winger at dummy half. No need to blame anyone.

And when it was on the line against panthers and raiders, did we win those games aswell. Or did we get our asses kicked.

Was that the reason we lost?

If we put up a fight & lost fair enough but to lose like we didn't care was disgraceful, Especially a top 8 spot at stake.

 

[Russell]

The reason our clubs can not attract marquee signings has nothing to do with Taylor, its all about the salary cap and to lesser extent our ability to get reliable TPA's. The top coaches attract the top players because they offer the big bucks, and any club no matter who is coach has to pay overs to attract players once they slip down the ladder, you only have to look at Parra.

Anyway as I said in a previous post I can understand why their is lots of hate out there for Taylor, I just do not think till we get our house in order anyone els would do any better

If the price of pies , hot dogs ,beers or tickets goes up it will be Taylor's fault :crazy

And if Taylor reshuffles half the team to put our winger at dummy half let's blame the guy selling hot dogs. And when he puts Lovett at centre and costs us two games let's blame it on the barman.

Lets blame it on the second tier cap - where it belongs.

 

[Tiger4life]

**And if Taylor reshuffles half the team to put our winger at dummy half let's blame the guy selling hot dogs**. And when he puts Lovett at centre and costs us two games let's blame it on the barman.

We won 4 games with that winger at dummy half. No need to blame anyone.

And when it was on the line against panthers and raiders, did we win those games aswell. Or did we get our asses kicked.

Was that the reason we lost?

Was it the reason we won the other games you were talking about lol. You can't have your cake mate and eat it to.

 

[Tiger4life]

We won 4 games with that winger at dummy half. No need to blame anyone.

And when it was on the line against panthers and raiders, did we win those games aswell. Or did we get our asses kicked.

Was that the reason we lost?

If we put up a fight & lost fair enough but to lose like we didn't care was disgraceful, Especially a top 8 spot at stake.

And not once, twice. I was at the panthers game, don't think I've been as disappointed at a game as much as I was at this one. Then leichardt oval, beautiful day, packed crowd, everything to play for….

 

[Tiger4life]

The reason our clubs can not attract marquee signings has nothing to do with Taylor, its all about the salary cap and to lesser extent our ability to get reliable TPA's. The top coaches attract the top players because they offer the big bucks, and any club no matter who is coach has to pay overs to attract players once they slip down the ladder, you only have to look at Parra.

Anyway as I said in a previous post I can understand why their is lots of hate out there for Taylor, I just do not think till we get our house in order anyone els would do any better

If the price of pies , hot dogs ,beers or tickets goes up it will be Taylor's fault :crazy

And if Taylor reshuffles half the team to put our winger at dummy half let's blame the guy selling hot dogs. And when he puts Lovett at centre and costs us two games let's blame it on the barman.

Lets blame it on the second tier cap - where it belongs.

At the end of the day 2016 is done and dusted. 2017 however no excuses. No farah excuses, no second tier cap excuses, no young team excuses. It's make or break. Third year into Taylor's reign and results must be produced. If they are I will jump on the bandwagon. The examples I gave are some of the reasons Taylor is so maligned with a big chunk of our supporter base, got nothing to do with him personally. Anyways can't wait for 2017, let's hope this time we give the finals a crack.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

We won 4 games with that winger at dummy half. No need to blame anyone.

And when it was on the line against panthers and raiders, did we win those games aswell. Or did we get our asses kicked.

Was that the reason we lost?

Was it the reason we won the other games you were talking about lol. You can't have your cake mate and eat it to.

Neither can you

 

[Masterton]

Besides being divisive, he is a hypocrite, he as a coach has a huge problem with players who do what he did when he was a player.

So what did Taylor do as a player ??

You've lost me 851…... not sure what you mean ??

Question the coach's team selections and tactics, get into all sorts of mischief away from the club, JT clashed with god knows how many people from the moment he reached the Winfield cup, he takes a set against any player who does these things, all the while knowing he did these same things throughout his career.
I have never liked the bloke, and in my opinion he is out of his depth as a head coach, his ceiling is assistant coach, but I don't want to take over this thread with my view on him.

I think you need to leave your hate at the door brother

The guy wasn't blessed with a great deal of talent , but certainly made the most of what he had and worked terribly hard on his game

Was told by Danny Peacock when he was there he was the 1st at training and the last to leave

You've got to respect players / people like that

Don't like the bloke that's fine , he deserves some respect though

I'm a Taylor "supporter" (ie, I'm happy to have him here for at least one more year), but it's well documented that he was a divisive influence as a player. He was shooting his mouth of at Wests, questioning Warren Ryan's tactics in the press. Exactly the type of thing that would have me rabid if Farah did it. That was a long time ago, and hopefully he's learnt a lot since then, but many of us have long memories.

Do you know Danny Peacock, Happy? He's a lovely bloke, but I'm always too shy to talk to him because of how I worshiped him as a kid.

 

[bobo125]

If the price of pies , hot dogs ,beers or tickets goes up it will be Taylor's fault :crazy

And if Taylor reshuffles half the team to put our winger at dummy half let's blame the guy selling hot dogs. And when he puts Lovett at centre and costs us two games let's blame it on the barman.

Lets blame it on the second tier cap - where it belongs.

At the end of the day 2016 is done and dusted. 2017 however no excuses. No farah excuses, no second tier cap excuses, no young team excuses. It's make or break. Third year into Taylor's reign and results must be produced. If they are I will jump on the bandwagon. The examples I gave are some of the reasons Taylor is so maligned with a big chunk of our supporter base, got nothing to do with him personally. Anyways can't wait for 2017, let's hope this time we give the finals a crack.

absolutely ZERO-OOOOOOOO excuses in 2017 !