Tigers NRL critics have short memories: JT

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Wests Tigers NRL coach Jason Taylor has hit back at his critics calling for his head, branding them short-sighted even in the wake of their 60-6 flogging at the hands of Canberra.
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Some pundits are sharpening their knives after Taylor's side were blown off the park by the Raiders in their sixth loss in a row.
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In a stinging appraisal, Fox Sports commentator and Former Tigers playmaker Braith Anasta, who left the club when he retired at the end of 2014, said Taylor had lost the dressing room long ago.
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However, Taylor said he believed his job was safe and pointed to what he described as a number of gutsy performances as reasons why criticism was unwarranted.
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"I think it's really clear to see from the performances that we've had so far this season have been full of character, full of great character," Taylor said.
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"It was only six days prior to the Canberra game that we took the Melbourne Storm into extra time and played a really strong game.
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"On the back of one performance, I find that stuff disappointing, but that comes on the back of a 60-6 loss. You've got to expect it but you move on."
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The Tigers are desperate to get back in the winner's circle against South Sydney at ANZ Stadium on Thursday night but their task has become harder with prop Tim Grant being ruled out with a niggling knee injury.
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The loss of Grant compounds the absence of workaholic skipper Aaron Woods.
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Taylor flatly denied his head was on the chopping block if the Tigers suffered another heavy defeat against the Rabbitohs and said he wasn't affected by the barbs being fired his way.
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"It's part of the game, it's a part of this job and it's a part of a lot of jobs in the world today," Taylor said.
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"I'm fine because I know that what matters is our performance and how things have gone this week is based on the fact that we played really poorly and it wasn't good enough and that's what comes on the back of that sort of performance. It's up to us."
 
Or maybe JT has the short memory? 6 straight losses, nobody cares if they "tried hard" in every game, what matters most is the 2 competition points I'm afraid. 0 out of a possible 12 possible competition points is gone

You could lose 24 straight by 4 points or less and this guy would say we are still improving
 
http://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2016/04/27/coaching_insider_rou.html

Here's the full interview.
A bit concerning that he seems to be ok with the 5 consecutive losses prior to last week, on account that they were 'full of character'.
 
@clifferdSH said:
Or maybe JT has the short memory? 6 straight losses, nobody cares if they "tried hard" in every game, what matters most is the 2 competition points I'm afraid. 0 out of a possible 12 possible competition points is gone

You could lose 24 straight by 4 points or less and this guy would say we are still improving

I care if they "tried hard" Clifferd. Obviously winning is the objective but if my team busts their gut and plays with pride and commitment then I can at least be proud of that, even if they lose.
When they go belly-up and display no guts, effort or commitment like last Saturday night then that is something the whole club should be ashamed of, as we supporters feel ashamed to support that club because of it.
 
@Fade To Black said:
@clifferdSH said:
Or maybe JT has the short memory? 6 straight losses, nobody cares if they "tried hard" in every game, what matters most is the 2 competition points I'm afraid. 0 out of a possible 12 possible competition points is gone

You could lose 24 straight by 4 points or less and this guy would say we are still improving

I care if they "tried hard" Clifferd. Obviously winning is the objective but if my team busts their gut and plays with pride and commitment then I can at least be proud of that, even if they lose.
When they go belly-up and display no guts, effort or commitment like last Saturday night then that is something the whole club should be ashamed of, as we supporters feel ashamed to support that club because of it.

Yeh no disagreement there
 
I haven't had any issues with our 'effort' or whatever in any of the games other than Saturday. I'm more concerned that the team is largely incompetent on several levels.
In fact, the fact that they're all trying very hard and yet getting nowhere speaks volumes about JT's ability as a coach.
 
I'll end up sounding like a JT sympathiser at this rate, but he's right.

The commitment from this team this season, outside of that Canberra game, has been exceptional. For 5 losses in a row I didn't think "they've stopped trying here". Only last weekend. Could be they were just on a bad night, and the talent in this team probably doesn't allow for 'bad nights'.

Fact is- this team is cobbled together with young players, rejects from other teams, and some older guys that probably should have moved on. It's not an ideal collection- YET.

The results are worse this year, but I think they are playing better than last year. And the year before.

Before we sink the ship- we lost to the Storm, Eels, Sharks & Raiders in our 6 losses. All of those teams are in the 8\. Only 1 beat us by more than 2 scores.

The Titans & Knights losses are harder to accept, but again, not totally horrible performances.

I don't expect this team to make the 8\. But I do expect to see gradual improvement. 1 or 2 losses like Canberra can, possibly should, be expected from this team.

But if they turn around tomorrow & put in against Souths I'll be willing to take the Raiders loss for what it was.
 
@Chadman's Ghost said:
I'll end up sounding like a JT sympathiser at this rate, but he's right.

The commitment from this team this season, outside of that Canberra game, has been exceptional. For 5 losses in a row I didn't think "they've stopped trying here". Only last weekend. Could be they were just on a bad night, and the talent in this team probably doesn't allow for 'bad nights'.

Fact is- this team is cobbled together with young players, rejects from other teams, and some older guys that probably should have moved on. It's not an ideal collection- YET.

The results are worse this year, but I think they are playing better than last year. And the year before.

Before we sink the ship- we lost to the Storm, Eels, Sharks & Raiders in our 6 losses. All of those teams are in the 8\. Only 1 beat us by more than 2 scores.

The Titans & Knights losses are harder to accept, but again, not totally horrible performances.

I don't expect this team to make the 8\. But I do expect to see gradual improvement. 1 or 2 losses like Canberra can, possibly should, be expected from this team.

But if they turn around tomorrow & put in against Souths I'll be willing to take the Raiders loss for what it was.

I agree with a hell of a lot of what you are saying

But getting beaten 60-6 should not be expected by any side at any stage bar finishing a game with 11 players due to injuries or send offs

I'm not going to check through the history books , but tell me when the last time the Broncos ,Storm ,Cowboys got beaten by 50 with the majority of their name players on the paddock

Its all about mindset , never giving up and pride, something this club struggles with every season
 
@ricksen said:
I haven't had any issues with our 'effort' or whatever in any of the games other than Saturday. I'm more concerned that the team is largely incompetent on several levels.
In fact, the fact that they're all trying very hard and yet getting nowhere speaks volumes about JT's ability as a coach.

More than anything it speaks massive volumes about the ability of the players, or lack thereof. Sure JT may not be a good coach but the buck stops with the players. Bottom line is that it is a hell of a lot easier to get rid of 1 underperforming coach that 20-something underperforming players hence the coach is almost always the first poor bastard hung out to dry when the proverbial hits the fan.
 
@happy tiger said:
I'm not going to check through the history books , but tell me when the last time the Broncos ,Storm ,Cowboys got beaten by 50 with the majority of their name players on the paddock

Its all about mindset , never giving up and pride, something this club struggles with every season

True. But tell me the last time Broncos, Cowboys or Storm fielded a team with as little talent as we currently have. That plays a part as well that is for sure. You either have the top-class players or you don't.
Our club culture is as bad if not worse than any club in the NRL though, soft as year-old rancid butter from the heirachy down.
Not anticipating it will change anytime soon sadly.
 
@Fade To Black said:
@happy tiger said:
I'm not going to check through the history books , but tell me when the last time the Broncos ,Storm ,Cowboys got beaten by 50 with the majority of their name players on the paddock

Its all about mindset , never giving up and pride, something this club struggles with every season

True. But tell me the last time Broncos, Cowboys or Storm fielded a team with as little talent as we currently have. That plays a part as well that is for sure. You either have the top-class players or you don't.
Our club culture is as bad if not worse than any club in the NRL though, soft as year-old rancid butter from the heirachy down.
Not anticipating it will change anytime soon sadly.

The baby broncos still beat us a few years ago.
 
@happy tiger said:
@Chadman's Ghost said:
I'll end up sounding like a JT sympathiser at this rate, but he's right.

The commitment from this team this season, outside of that Canberra game, has been exceptional. For 5 losses in a row I didn't think "they've stopped trying here". Only last weekend. Could be they were just on a bad night, and the talent in this team probably doesn't allow for 'bad nights'.

Fact is- this team is cobbled together with young players, rejects from other teams, and some older guys that probably should have moved on. It's not an ideal collection- YET.

The results are worse this year, but I think they are playing better than last year. And the year before.

Before we sink the ship- we lost to the Storm, Eels, Sharks & Raiders in our 6 losses. All of those teams are in the 8\. Only 1 beat us by more than 2 scores.

The Titans & Knights losses are harder to accept, but again, not totally horrible performances.

I don't expect this team to make the 8\. But I do expect to see gradual improvement. 1 or 2 losses like Canberra can, possibly should, be expected from this team.

But if they turn around tomorrow & put in against Souths I'll be willing to take the Raiders loss for what it was.

I agree with a hell of a lot of what you are saying

But getting beaten 60-6 should not be expected by any side at any stage bar finishing a game with 11 players due to injuries or send offs

I'm not going to check through the history books , but tell me when the last time the Broncos ,Storm ,Cowboys got beaten by 50 with the majority of their name players on the paddock

Its all about mindset , never giving up and pride, something this club struggles with every season

I agree with you both. I was away and wasn't able to see the match, so I'm only relying on what I've been reading. But the scoreline says it all and to be honest I was astounded by that. I didn't believe that the WT had it in them to allow themselves to be beaten that completely. I thought they were well on the way to a winning, never-say-die attitude. Silly me, I thought we'd win that one.
 
@happy tiger said:
@Chadman's Ghost said:
I'll end up sounding like a JT sympathiser at this rate, but he's right.

The commitment from this team this season, outside of that Canberra game, has been exceptional. For 5 losses in a row I didn't think "they've stopped trying here". Only last weekend. Could be they were just on a bad night, and the talent in this team probably doesn't allow for 'bad nights'.

Fact is- this team is cobbled together with young players, rejects from other teams, and some older guys that probably should have moved on. It's not an ideal collection- YET.

The results are worse this year, but I think they are playing better than last year. And the year before.

Before we sink the ship- we lost to the Storm, Eels, Sharks & Raiders in our 6 losses. All of those teams are in the 8\. Only 1 beat us by more than 2 scores.

The Titans & Knights losses are harder to accept, but again, not totally horrible performances.

I don't expect this team to make the 8\. But I do expect to see gradual improvement. 1 or 2 losses like Canberra can, possibly should, be expected from this team.

But if they turn around tomorrow & put in against Souths I'll be willing to take the Raiders loss for what it was.

I agree with a hell of a lot of what you are saying

But getting beaten 60-6 should not be expected by any side at any stage bar finishing a game with 11 players due to injuries or send offs

I'm not going to check through the history books , but tell me when the last time the Broncos ,Storm ,Cowboys got beaten by 50 with the majority of their name players on the paddock

Its all about mindset , never giving up and pride, something this club struggles with every season

I think Fade To Black said it- the Broncos, Storm & Cowboys- when was the last time they fielded the same level of players in the same kind of circumstances? It's not JUST about talent. The Tigers, in my opinion, have several talented players.

But, coming off 5 losses, their best player out, potentially fielding players that are either playing before or after their time…. 60-6 is never acceptable. They should be fuming. But, unless this becomes a continuous thing, I'm willing to cop it. Good teams get flogged at times. The Tigers aren't even a good team.
 
@Chadman's Ghost said:
@happy tiger said:
@Chadman's Ghost said:
I'll end up sounding like a JT sympathiser at this rate, but he's right.

The commitment from this team this season, outside of that Canberra game, has been exceptional. For 5 losses in a row I didn't think "they've stopped trying here". Only last weekend. Could be they were just on a bad night, and the talent in this team probably doesn't allow for 'bad nights'.

Fact is- this team is cobbled together with young players, rejects from other teams, and some older guys that probably should have moved on. It's not an ideal collection- YET.

The results are worse this year, but I think they are playing better than last year. And the year before.

Before we sink the ship- we lost to the Storm, Eels, Sharks & Raiders in our 6 losses. All of those teams are in the 8\. Only 1 beat us by more than 2 scores.

The Titans & Knights losses are harder to accept, but again, not totally horrible performances.

I don't expect this team to make the 8\. But I do expect to see gradual improvement. 1 or 2 losses like Canberra can, possibly should, be expected from this team.

But if they turn around tomorrow & put in against Souths I'll be willing to take the Raiders loss for what it was.

I agree with a hell of a lot of what you are saying

But getting beaten 60-6 should not be expected by any side at any stage bar finishing a game with 11 players due to injuries or send offs

I'm not going to check through the history books , but tell me when the last time the Broncos ,Storm ,Cowboys got beaten by 50 with the majority of their name players on the paddock

Its all about mindset , never giving up and pride, something this club struggles with every season

I think Fade To Black said it- the Broncos, Storm & Cowboys- when was the last time they fielded the same level of players in the same kind of circumstances? It's not JUST about talent. The Tigers, in my opinion, have several talented players.

But, coming off 5 losses, their best player out, potentially fielding players that are either playing before or after their time…. 60-6 is never acceptable. They should be fuming. But, unless this becomes a continuous thing, I'm willing to cop it. Good teams get flogged at times. The Tigers aren't even a good team.

Yes and our talent issues will never end Chadman
 
Pascoe came out earlier in the week and said he was happy with our season up and till last weeks debacle and now Taylor is saying the same thing. No wonder we are in the cellar once again.

It's about winning and not been happy with any loss. This club needs to either wake up to itself or fold
 
There are obviously a few issues at the club, but I hardly think Taylors ability or lack of to coach is the sole factor.

I find it funny that the club is rebuilding, same as Newcastle etc, but everyone is happy with Nathan Brown. Everyone sings the praises of Penrith, but they are still getting beat. Lets put this in perspective.

I hate how we have gone over the last few years as much as anyone. Comparing us to those top teams who are one team towns and getting payments under the table is not fair or realistic.

I just want commitment from players. Lets just see some.
 
@supercoach said:
Pascoe came out earlier in the week and said he was happy with our season up and till last weeks debacle and now Taylor is saying the same thing. No wonder we are in the cellar once again.

It's about winning and not been happy with any loss. This club needs to either wake up to itself or fold

I keep saying this the club needs a TRUE leader off the field as well as on ! Once you plant the seed that close enough is OK you should just pack up shop .
The CEO has now just nicely fitted into the Concord Mediocre club you just have to love these people there is just no end to the conga line of these types at the club .
 
@Snake said:
@supercoach said:
Pascoe came out earlier in the week and said he was happy with our season up and till last weeks debacle and now Taylor is saying the same thing. No wonder we are in the cellar once again.

It's about winning and not been happy with any loss. This club needs to either wake up to itself or fold

I keep saying this the club needs a TRUE leader off the field as well as on ! Once you plant the seed that close enough is OK you should just pack up shop .
The CEO has now just nicely fitted into the Concord Mediocre club you just have to love these people there is just no end to the conga line of these types at the club .

As long as these executives are picking up their fat pay cheques they could not care about the first grade team's performance during the year. They get and keep their job because they are masters of the spin.
 

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