Tim Simona - Deregistered

[Cultured_Bogan]

Meaning of the word Integrity:

The quality of being honest and having strong moral principles.
"a gentleman of complete integrity"
synonyms: honesty, uprightness, probity, rectitude, honour, honourableness, upstandingness, good character, principle(s), ethics, morals, righteousness, morality, nobility, high-mindedness, right-mindedness, noble-mindedness, virtue, decency, fairness, scrupulousness, sincerity, truthfulness, trustworthiness
"I never doubted his integrity"

I just dont understand how bashing someone on the street, your partner or drug related incidents are not deemed as severe when we talk about the integrity of the game.

It is severe away from the footy field. Let's face it, if you're an average Joe and you get busted in possession of coke, unless your employer trawls the NSW courts site they're not going to know you fronted up to court if you take an annual leave day to address it and you escape gaol time.

The other two I will concede you'll have a hard time keeping from your employer especially when you ring them to let them know you won't be in on Monday because you've just been gaoled for two years.

That all being said, they are incidents that happen away from the field, outside the jurisdiction of the NRL.

Gambling by players on games contravenes NRL policy and affects the direct outcome of the games.

Letting wifebashers and drug dealers/users into the game is a poor look, but it doesn't compromise the game itself.

 

[Geo]

I'll repeat..there are no allegations of Match fixing in regards to Tim Simona…

 

[TCL]

Meaning of the word Integrity:

The quality of being honest and having strong moral principles.
"a gentleman of complete integrity"
synonyms: honesty, uprightness, probity, rectitude, honour, honourableness, upstandingness, good character, principle(s), ethics, morals, righteousness, morality, nobility, high-mindedness, right-mindedness, noble-mindedness, virtue, decency, fairness, scrupulousness, sincerity, truthfulness, trustworthiness
"I never doubted his integrity"

I just dont understand how bashing someone on the street, your partner or drug related incidents are not deemed as severe when we talk about the integrity of the game.

It is severe away from the footy field. Let's face it, if you're an average Joe and you get busted in possession of coke, unless your employer trawls the NSW courts site they're not going to know you fronted up to court if you take an annual leave day to address it and you escape gaol time.

The other two I will concede you'll have a hard time keeping from your employer especially when you ring them to let them know you won't be in on Monday because you've just been gaoled for two years.

That all being said, they are incidents that happen away from the field, outside the jurisdiction of the NRL.

Gambling by players on games contravenes NRL policy and affects the direct outcome of the games.

Letting wifebashers and drug dealers/users into the game is a poor look, but it doesn't compromise the game itself.

CB i agree with you in reference to those actions being away from the field. But when we talk about integrity you cannot differentiate. Also footy players represent the game 24/7\. Deservedly or not they carry the tag of role model.

Back when Greenberg took over the Bulldogs job he presented at an event i was at, he talked about how any wrong doing by anyone associated with the club had an impacted on the integrity of the club and it was his focus to clean that out and bring sponsors back to the club.

Now he talks about integrity in isolation based in incidents which is ironic.

also someone under the influence of drugs has a bearing on the outcome of a game imo.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Meaning of the word Integrity:

The quality of being honest and having strong moral principles.
"a gentleman of complete integrity"
synonyms: honesty, uprightness, probity, rectitude, honour, honourableness, upstandingness, good character, principle(s), ethics, morals, righteousness, morality, nobility, high-mindedness, right-mindedness, noble-mindedness, virtue, decency, fairness, scrupulousness, sincerity, truthfulness, trustworthiness
"I never doubted his integrity"

I just dont understand how bashing someone on the street, your partner or drug related incidents are not deemed as severe when we talk about the integrity of the game.

It is severe away from the footy field. Let's face it, if you're an average Joe and you get busted in possession of coke, unless your employer trawls the NSW courts site they're not going to know you fronted up to court if you take an annual leave day to address it and you escape gaol time.

The other two I will concede you'll have a hard time keeping from your employer especially when you ring them to let them know you won't be in on Monday because you've just been gaoled for two years.

That all being said, they are incidents that happen away from the field, outside the jurisdiction of the NRL.

Gambling by players on games contravenes NRL policy and affects the direct outcome of the games.

Letting wifebashers and drug dealers/users into the game is a poor look, but it doesn't compromise the game itself.

CB i agree with you in reference to those actions being away from the field. But when we talk about integrity you cannot differentiate. Also footy players represent the game 24/7\. Deservedly or not they carry the tag of role model.

Back when Greenberg took over the Bulldogs job he presented at an event i was at, he talked about how any wrong doing by anyone associated with the club had an impacted on the integrity of the club and it was his focus to clean that out and bring sponsors back to the club.

Now he talks about integrity in isolation based in incidents which is ironic.

also someone under the influence of drugs has a bearing on the outcome of a game imo.

If they are under the influence while they play of course they do. If they use away from the game it's not a good look but it doesn't affect the game.

I think there's two levels at which these incidences fall under. One is directly detrimental to the game (gambling and drug use,) and the other is detrimental by association (letting people with criminal offences committed away from the game to play.)

 

[hank37w]

Tim's one of my favourite players and I was really pleased when he finally got a run in the top grade, but have been disappointed in recent times with the lack of decent ball that he has been receiving and have blamed that and injury on his lack of form.
Having said that I can't believe that he could be such a meat head and get involved in any of this betting scandal.
What really has my mind in such a mess at the moment is what a coincidence it is that the club has been trying to shop around Kyle Lovett and Tim Simona just prior to charges being revealed concerning these 2 players.
Can some one put my mind at ease and tell me that I'm reading too much into all of this?

 

[Geo]

Tim's one of my favourite players and I was really pleased when he finally got a run in the top grade, but have been disappointed in recent times with the lack of decent ball that he has been receiving and have blamed that and injury on his lack of form.
Having said that I can't believe that he could be such a meat head and get involved in any of this betting scandal.
What really has my mind in such a mess at the moment is what a coincidence it is that the club has been trying to shop around Kyle Lovett and Tim Simona just prior to charges being revealed concerning these 2 players.
Can some one put my mind at ease and tell me that I'm reading too much into all of this?

You are reading to much into it…Shopping players around is a Player Managers responsibility..

 

[hank37w]

Thanks, I feel better now.

 

[Bones]

Thanks, I feel better now.

They also shopped a few other guys around but the problem is it's hard to offload average players.

 

[PD77]

Meaning of the word Integrity:

The quality of being honest and having strong moral principles.
"a gentleman of complete integrity"
synonyms: honesty, uprightness, probity, rectitude, honour, honourableness, upstandingness, good character, principle(s), ethics, morals, righteousness, morality, nobility, high-mindedness, right-mindedness, noble-mindedness, virtue, decency, fairness, scrupulousness, sincerity, truthfulness, trustworthiness
"I never doubted his integrity"

I just dont understand how bashing someone on the street, your partner or drug related incidents are not deemed as severe when we talk about the integrity of the game.

It is severe away from the footy field. Let's face it, if you're an average Joe and you get busted in possession of coke, unless your employer trawls the NSW courts site they're not going to know you fronted up to court if you take an annual leave day to address it and you escape gaol time.

The other two I will concede you'll have a hard time keeping from your employer especially when you ring them to let them know you won't be in on Monday because you've just been gaoled for two years.

That all being said, they are incidents that happen away from the field, outside the jurisdiction of the NRL.

Gambling by players on games contravenes NRL policy and affects the direct outcome of the games.

Letting wifebashers and drug dealers/users into the game is a poor look, but it doesn't compromise the game itself.

Correct, these things do not compromise the outcome or legitimacy of the result of any particular game.
What they do is compromise the supposed "integrity" of those who run the game and lay claim to a desire to promote and grow the game so that parents (like me) want their children to be involved. I love the game, but it's the fact that people like Russell Packer can still be involved which stops me letting my sons play (well, that and a wife who'd rather they take up ballet :laughing: ).
Maybe it's more frustration at the lack of punishment for violent crimes as opposed to thinking that Tim's deeds shouldn't be harshly dealt with.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

Meaning of the word Integrity:

The quality of being honest and having strong moral principles.
"a gentleman of complete integrity"
synonyms: honesty, uprightness, probity, rectitude, honour, honourableness, upstandingness, good character, principle(s), ethics, morals, righteousness, morality, nobility, high-mindedness, right-mindedness, noble-mindedness, virtue, decency, fairness, scrupulousness, sincerity, truthfulness, trustworthiness
"I never doubted his integrity"

I just dont understand how bashing someone on the street, your partner or drug related incidents are not deemed as severe when we talk about the integrity of the game.

It is severe away from the footy field. Let's face it, if you're an average Joe and you get busted in possession of coke, unless your employer trawls the NSW courts site they're not going to know you fronted up to court if you take an annual leave day to address it and you escape gaol time.

The other two I will concede you'll have a hard time keeping from your employer especially when you ring them to let them know you won't be in on Monday because you've just been gaoled for two years.

That all being said, they are incidents that happen away from the field, outside the jurisdiction of the NRL.

Gambling by players on games contravenes NRL policy and affects the direct outcome of the games.

Letting wifebashers and drug dealers/users into the game is a poor look, but it doesn't compromise the game itself.

The Sharks taking "banned supplements" or whatever weak-arse spin was used instead of "drug cheating" compromises the integrity of the NRL and look at the disgustingly pathetic punishment they all got away with, basically 3-game bans. For drug cheating. The NRL is so laughable and selective with it's out of whack punishment system it is a disgrace on the game of RL itself.

 

[TCL]

Meaning of the word Integrity:

The quality of being honest and having strong moral principles.
"a gentleman of complete integrity"
synonyms: honesty, uprightness, probity, rectitude, honour, honourableness, upstandingness, good character, principle(s), ethics, morals, righteousness, morality, nobility, high-mindedness, right-mindedness, noble-mindedness, virtue, decency, fairness, scrupulousness, sincerity, truthfulness, trustworthiness
"I never doubted his integrity"

I just dont understand how bashing someone on the street, your partner or drug related incidents are not deemed as severe when we talk about the integrity of the game.

It is severe away from the footy field. Let's face it, if you're an average Joe and you get busted in possession of coke, unless your employer trawls the NSW courts site they're not going to know you fronted up to court if you take an annual leave day to address it and you escape gaol time.

The other two I will concede you'll have a hard time keeping from your employer especially when you ring them to let them know you won't be in on Monday because you've just been gaoled for two years.

That all being said, they are incidents that happen away from the field, outside the jurisdiction of the NRL.

Gambling by players on games contravenes NRL policy and affects the direct outcome of the games.

Letting wifebashers and drug dealers/users into the game is a poor look, but it doesn't compromise the game itself.

Correct, these things do not compromise the outcome or legitimacy of the result of any particular game.
What they do is compromise the supposed "integrity" of those who run the game and lay claim to a desire to promote and grow the game so that parents (like me) want their children to be involved. I love the game, but it's the fact that people like Russell Packer can still be involved which stops me letting my sons play (well, that and a wife who'd rather they take up ballet :laughing: ).
Maybe it's more frustration at the lack of punishment for violent crimes as opposed to thinking that Tim's deeds shouldn't be harshly dealt with.

Absolutely, i dont have a problem with Simon's punishment if found guilty what i have problems with is the imbalance of punishments handed out.

 

[Newtown]

Recently the top Sydney jockey, John McDonald, was suspended for two years by Sydney race Stewards. The reason for his suspension was that he was found to have bet against a horse (one of the favourites and heavily backed) he was riding in a Sydney race. Imagine how many punters lost sizeable sums in this race due to the jockey's actions. Believe me, Sydney Stewards are very strict in implementing harsh penalties on these types of serious misdemeanourss. Yet the jockey was suspended for only TWO years. Compare this to the proposed life ban which the NRL is banging on about for Simona. I believe that if the NRL are persuaded by their interest in preserving their "gold mine" betting agencies and give Simona a life ban then he is well within his rights to appeal against the verdict and would very likely win his appeal.

 

[innsaneink]

What odds Idris' opposite number is FTS tomoro?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

What odds Idris' opposite number is FTS tomoro?

Both centres are 15 dollars.

Suli at 11 fwiw

 

[bigsiro]

If the allegations are true - and it sure seems overwhelming then Simona HAS to be rubbed out for life.

Please consider that how the NRL handles other player indiscretions is IRRELEVANT.
The fact that the NRL are inconsistent and hypocritical is IRRELEVANT.
Saying that Simona did not "fix games" is semantics - what he did is in the same genre and is arguably worse and certainly more morally deplorable.
Having a discussion re any team willing to sign him in the future is not just completely mind-boggling but IRRELEVANT.

If the NRL don't ban him for life then they are not doing enough to
(a) condemn such contemptible behaviour
(b) take a stand against player betting and
© punish Simona.

By giving him ANY chance to EVER play again they would be doing more damage to the game than Simona ever could.

 

[innsaneink]

I hope him appearing before the integrity unit or whoever it is he has to front, on the day of our first game of the year doesnt have a negative impact on the boys on the field….surely they couldve chosen any other day

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I hope him appearing before the integrity unit or whoever it is he has to front, on the day of our first game of the year doesnt have a negative impact on the boys on the field….surely they couldve chosen any other day

If the news had first broken tomorrow then i would be worried. But they have had 2 weeks for this to process and i am sure they are fully aware he could be banned for life. They just have to get on with the job.

 

[PD77]

If the allegations are true - and it sure seems overwhelming then Simona HAS to be rubbed out for life.

Please consider that how the NRL handles other player indiscretions is IRRELEVANT.
The fact that the NRL are inconsistent and hypocritical is IRRELEVANT.
Saying that Simona did not "fix games" is semantics - what he did is in the same genre and is arguably worse and certainly more morally deplorable.
Having a discussion re any team willing to sign him in the future is not just completely mind-boggling but IRRELEVANT.

If the NRL don't ban him for life then they are not doing enough to
(a) condemn such contemptible behaviour
(b) take a stand against player betting and
© punish Simona.

By giving him ANY chance to EVER play again they would be doing more damage to the game than Simona ever could.

So if I understand correctly, it's IRRELEVANT…... :deadhorse:

 

[jadtiger]

I hope him appearing before the integrity unit or whoever it is he has to front, on the day of our first game of the year doesnt have a negative impact on the boys on the field….surely they couldve chosen any other day

channel 9 said on 4pm news tim had asked for an extension to prepare his defence, if he gets it i suppose it wont be until next week at the earliest.To be honest i think that is probably even worse we dont need it hanging over any longer.

 

[Newtown]

WWOS ›
NRL

Decision on Simona NRL future not imminent

By Steve Zemek
an hour ago

Tim Simona's NRL future won't be decided until next week at the earliest. The Wests Tigers' centre had been expected to face the NRL on Friday to answer allegations he bet on matches. However, a NRL spokesman said no hearing had been set down and his case wouldn't be heard this week.

Simona is facing the possibility of a life ban after allegedly betting on matches, including placing wagers on players he had been marking to score a try. He has been suspended indefinitely from the game and the NRL has issued a notice to cancel his registration. If found guilty, he could become the first player since Ryan Tandy to be banned for life. He will be allowed to plead his case before NRL integrity unit head Nick Weeks.

Tandy was found to have placed bets on North Queensland to score first points via a penalty goal in their August 2010 match against the Bulldogs. The front-rower dropped the ball and gave away a penalty inside his side's 20m zone, however the Cowboys took a quick tap and scored.

©AAP2017

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