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@Black'n'White said:wasnt a pitched street battle? Seriously, two groups losing and gaining ground on a street hurling projectiles at each other, trading blows… thats a riot, by definition.
You may be able to con yourself... no other option, you are part of the problem.
My kid will be watching from home. Guaranteed, thanks to packs of clowns. He appreciates your defence of such actions.
@smeghead said:The wearing of other teams jerseys is a red herring mate.
@smeghead said:There is always other options.
I understand the desire to defend the group you align with, that is normal but really you are defending the indefensible from my perspective.
I would argue that bravado and protecting the groups reputation were the main driving factors, especially considering the internet back and forth that preceded and followed the incident
Making excuses for it is the worst thing you can do.
@Peaches said:@smeghead said:There is always other options.
I understand the desire to defend the group you align with, that is normal but really you are defending the indefensible from my perspective.
I would argue that bravado and protecting the groups reputation were the main driving factors, especially considering the internet back and forth that preceded and followed the incident
Making excuses for it is the worst thing you can do.
I'm not making excuses for anyone. I'm just saying from what I heard, I would have reacted the same way and I don't fight at all. Sometimes you're just put into a position and that's what the Victory fans did to the Wanderers fans that day.
It's my hope that soon enough we'll only be talking about the great displays from the team and the awesome atmosphere at the games. It's my hope.
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@Peaches said:@Black'n'White said:wasnt a pitched street battle? Seriously, two groups losing and gaining ground on a street hurling projectiles at each other, trading blows… thats a riot, by definition.
You may be able to con yourself... no other option, you are part of the problem.
My kid will be watching from home. Guaranteed, thanks to packs of clowns. He appreciates your defence of such actions.
I don't know how to respond to that. I struggle to see how I'm part of the problem. I've told you how it started and of course the reaction. I wonder how you would have reacted had you been sitting down to a meal with your family and this occurred. I guarantee you the families involved are thankful it went out onto the street.
Your child will be missing out but I can't tell you how to raise your child obviously.
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@smeghead said:I would postulate that the percentage of scumbag element within each club is greater then the one or two who might be stupid enough to try the fake jersey deal.
If you want to take it to the natural conclusion you go down the state of the art facial recognition video software being deployed at every game
@smeghead said:@Peaches said:@smeghead said:There is always other options.
I understand the desire to defend the group you align with, that is normal but really you are defending the indefensible from my perspective.
I would argue that bravado and protecting the groups reputation were the main driving factors, especially considering the internet back and forth that preceded and followed the incident
Making excuses for it is the worst thing you can do.
I'm not making excuses for anyone. I'm just saying from what I heard, I would have reacted the same way and I don't fight at all. Sometimes you're just put into a position and that's what the Victory fans did to the Wanderers fans that day.
It's my hope that soon enough we'll only be talking about the great displays from the team and the awesome atmosphere at the games. It's my hope.
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So again extrapolating the circumstance it would have been a reasonable reaction for the Sydney FC fans dining on Church Street last year to get up from their tables and engage in a fight with the RBB after they had glasses etc thrown at them?
@Black'n'White said:@Peaches said:@Black'n'White said:wasnt a pitched street battle? Seriously, two groups losing and gaining ground on a street hurling projectiles at each other, trading blows… thats a riot, by definition.
You may be able to con yourself... no other option, you are part of the problem.
My kid will be watching from home. Guaranteed, thanks to packs of clowns. He appreciates your defence of such actions.
I don't know how to respond to that. I struggle to see how I'm part of the problem. I've told you how it started and of course the reaction. I wonder how you would have reacted had you been sitting down to a meal with your family and this occurred. I guarantee you the families involved are thankful it went out onto the street.
Your child will be missing out but I can't tell you how to raise your child obviously.
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In all honestly, as an adult, a father, my first reaction would be to protect my child from harm, which doesnt include leaving him alone and chasing people up the street throwing things at them.
You post like a boy, maybe one day you will evolve into a man. Seems a long way off though.
@Peaches said:It was one glass and that was bloke was shut done before he got a chance to do anything else by everyone around him rightfully so. Circumstances were a bit different in that situation.
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@smeghead said:The FFA have two options really open to them to nip this in the bud.
Either points deduction or lockout.
One sends a message and hurts everybody a little which is what they chose.
Lockouts would eventually financially cripple clubs
@Peaches said:I guess shoulder to shoulder is not for everyone.
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@smeghead said:@Peaches said:It was one glass and that was bloke was shut done before he got a chance to do anything else by everyone around him rightfully so. Circumstances were a bit different in that situation.
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In your eyes it was.
What if the people sitting at the cafe though differently?
This is what you do not seem to grasp in rationalising the Melbourne situation.
If the Victory fans had forced their way into the licensed premises in pursuit then there is a stand your ground argument to be made.
However to pursue them back and forth up a public street is childish, thug like behavior from mental midgets and does nothing but tarnish the reputation of a sport finally looking like breaking through and capitalising on it's junior participation levels.
it is indefensible mate. Sorry it just is.
@smeghead said:@Peaches said:I guess shoulder to shoulder is not for everyone.
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@Black'n'White said:It wasnt an insult, it is reality.
I once thought I was hard, then I learnt better. Didnt even learn after being sliced, having bird shot pulled out of me. Now I know better. There is a massive difference between being a boy and a man. You can only hope you live long enough, thus learn and experience enough, to figure out how far from the mark your thought process really is.
Wasting my time I know, so have a good day, and bridge up to every guy who shapes up…
@smeghead said:Sorry I respectfully disagree.
All parties involved in the back and forth on the streets are wannabe ultra's, thugs and complete losers who dop not deserve the privilege of supporting a sporting team in person at any ground anywhere in this country
