Wests Tigers coach Jason Taylor gives halves Luke Brooks and Mitchell Moses licence to entertain

[Eddie]

I don't believe a coach ever fails to try and play to the strengths of the team. That is such a silly notion, that JT would be aware of some strength and just ignore it. What is crucial is that the team can improve where they are weak, and whether they can complete the fundamentals to be competitive every week. This is where I feel we are let down - not by boring structures or unimaginative play, but because our forwards can tend to get dominated, because we drop ball and give penalties.

“The way they play, they have certain strengths, they’ve been playing together years, so JT has listened to them more, listened to the players and how we want to play.

“There were times last year we couldn’t score a try because we were just trying to complete our sets.

“It was probably more frustrating for the halves because they couldn’t get their plays on, and they were more getting the ball and kicking.

“But JT and his assistant coaches want me, Mitch and Brooksy to have the most touches in the team, to have more than 30 touches, and they’ve told us the more we’re involved, the more chance we’ll have of scoring points or creating plays.

James Tedesco - February 2016.

What would he know though hey?

 

[Geo]

Half the time they couldn't get their plays on cause we dropped the bloody football…before we even got close...

Cut out the errors and I'm sure the Attack will sparkle..Just give it to Tedesco...

 

[foreveratiger]

Bottom line is Players play for Coaches…..if JT doesn't listen to his players and allows them to have some input in how they would like to play ? Then JT will be doomed quite simple.
Players control what happens on the field .

A good example is Chelsea in Soccer.....they won the Premier League last year, then there was rumours of rifts in the dressing room between players and Coach and then he got sacked mid December being only 1 Point above Relegation at the time .
That is a massive transformation having the same side as when they Won the Title , now new Manager and they have climbed the Ladder since then .

 

[jirskyr]

I don't believe a coach ever fails to try and play to the strengths of the team. That is such a silly notion, that JT would be aware of some strength and just ignore it. What is crucial is that the team can improve where they are weak, and whether they can complete the fundamentals to be competitive every week. This is where I feel we are let down - not by boring structures or unimaginative play, but because our forwards can tend to get dominated, because we drop ball and give penalties.

“The way they play, they have certain strengths, they’ve been playing together years, so JT has listened to them more, listened to the players and how we want to play.

“There were times last year we couldn’t score a try because we were just trying to complete our sets.

“It was probably more frustrating for the halves because they couldn’t get their plays on, and they were more getting the ball and kicking.

“But JT and his assistant coaches want me, Mitch and Brooksy to have the most touches in the team, to have more than 30 touches, and they’ve told us the more we’re involved, the more chance we’ll have of scoring points or creating plays.

James Tedesco - February 2016.

What would he know though hey?

I'll say it again - the halves opened 2015 with combined experience 32 games. JT has listened to them more in Feb/16, now they have 79 games experience.

Listened to them more, perhaps, because they are performing better at the basics, mastering the structures he set. Listened to them more because they are slowly earning the right to call the shots more.

I don't have a problem with halves getting frustrated not putting their plays on - I am sure Benji Marshall got frustrated when asked not to chance his hand so often, same as he got frustrated when he got benched under Potter. What certain players want to do is not always best for the team. Not putting your own plays on every time is probably a good idea. Or did I miss something where Brooks and Moses were totally carving oppositions up together week in and out? Or was that lack of consistency also on the coach?

There are threads where some supporters are asking whether Brooks and Moses are even the right players to base our future on, esp considering they are postponing their contract talks this year.

I don't buy anything about not being able to score a try because you were trying to complete a set. That's pure speculation.

And Tedesco is all talking about attack. What about the 170 tackles Brooks and Moses missed between them last year?

 

[Eddie]

I don't believe a coach ever fails to try and play to the strengths of the team. That is such a silly notion, that JT would be aware of some strength and just ignore it. What is crucial is that the team can improve where they are weak, and whether they can complete the fundamentals to be competitive every week. This is where I feel we are let down - not by boring structures or unimaginative play, but because our forwards can tend to get dominated, because we drop ball and give penalties.

“The way they play, they have certain strengths, they’ve been playing together years, so JT has listened to them more, listened to the players and how we want to play.

“There were times last year we couldn’t score a try because we were just trying to complete our sets.

“It was probably more frustrating for the halves because they couldn’t get their plays on, and they were more getting the ball and kicking.

“But JT and his assistant coaches want me, Mitch and Brooksy to have the most touches in the team, to have more than 30 touches, and they’ve told us the more we’re involved, the more chance we’ll have of scoring points or creating plays.

James Tedesco - February 2016.

What would he know though hey?

I don't buy anything about not being able to score a try because you were trying to complete a set. That's pure speculation.
?

Sorry mate its not pure speculation. Teddy played in that game and I was out there watching.

We completed at 85% and registered a big zero against a Qld Cup side.

We lost 8-0 and never threw one shot at them all night.

You gotta do better then that.

 

[Eddie]

I don't believe a coach ever fails to try and play to the strengths of the team. That is such a silly notion, that JT would be aware of some strength and just ignore it. What is crucial is that the team can improve where they are weak, and whether they can complete the fundamentals to be competitive every week. This is where I feel we are let down - not by boring structures or unimaginative play, but because our forwards can tend to get dominated, because we drop ball and give penalties.

“The way they play, they have certain strengths, they’ve been playing together years, so JT has listened to them more, listened to the players and how we want to play.

“There were times last year we couldn’t score a try because we were just trying to complete our sets.

“It was probably more frustrating for the halves because they couldn’t get their plays on, and they were more getting the ball and kicking.

“But JT and his assistant coaches want me, Mitch and Brooksy to have the most touches in the team, to have more than 30 touches, and they’ve told us the more we’re involved, the more chance we’ll have of scoring points or creating plays.

James Tedesco - February 2016.

What would he know though hey?

I'll say it again - the halves opened 2015 with combined experience 32 games. JT has listened to them more in Feb/16, now they have 79 games experience.

Listened to them more, perhaps, because they are performing better at the basics, mastering the structures he set. Listened to them more because they are slowly earning the right to call the shots more.

I don't have a problem with halves getting frustrated not putting their plays on - I am sure Benji Marshall got frustrated when asked not to chance his hand so often, same as he got frustrated when he got benched under Potter. What certain players want to do is not always best for the team. Not putting your own plays on every time is probably a good idea. Or did I miss something where Brooks and Moses were totally carving oppositions up together week in and out? Or was that lack of consistency also on the coach?

There are threads where some supporters are asking whether Brooks and Moses are even the right players to base our future on, esp considering they are postponing their contract talks this year.

I don't buy anything about not being able to score a try because you were trying to complete a set. That's pure speculation.

And Tedesco is all talking about attack. What about the 170 tackles Brooks and Moses missed between them last year?

All Im saying Is what i have been saying has been backed up by several players.

Not guys on a forum.

Throw me all the numbers you like , its what you do.

Im cool with it.

But i do take what Teddy said and feel like I wasn't as far from the mark as people were suggesting.

Taylor made mistakes last year like the players did, and this year there working together more to put things right.

You can say players shouldn't make the game plan and your right, however some of our zombie like displays last year are becoming clearer by the day. A coaches job is also to get the best out of his players. The players didn't buy into the game plan and they have made some adjustments over the summer.

 

[stevetiger]

I think it's as obvious as stepping in a wet smelly sloppy one that Taylor came up with some terrible game plans last year.

I don't have any idea why people keep defending him. It's bizarre.

The players have clearly stated it as well.

 

[innsaneink]

**I think it's as obvious as stepping in a wet smelly sloppy one that Taylor came up with some terrible game plans last year.**

I don't have any idea why people keep defending him. It's bizarre.

The players have clearly stated it as well.

Are you sure?

 

[Eddie]

**I think it's as obvious as stepping in a wet smelly sloppy one that Taylor came up with some terrible game plans last year.**

I don't have any idea why people keep defending him. It's bizarre.

The players have clearly stated it as well.

Are you sure?

No one is sure. However people have their opinions eithe way which is fine. When those opinions are backed up by players to an extent its interesting.

Anyway Teddy comments bought a wry smile to my self and probably stevetigers face as well.Ill leave it at that. :wink:

 

[stevetiger]

Yes I'm sure. How do I know this. I heard Taylor describe his game plans to the media. For instance Sheen's despite having his faults would often describe his game plans and they made sense. Taylor last year didn't give anywhere near the same level of confidence in his ability to put together a good game plan to win games over the course of the season and this was backed up with some terrible tactics that had media commentators, punters and now the players stating how it didn't work.

Sheens has his faults. His selections were at times hilarious but not for a Tigers supporter. Taylor for instance in my opinion gets this pretty well right.

 

[Eddie]

I gave Taylor praise for his complete over haul of the injuries and recovery (but people say i hate him)

He did a magnificent job in this regard.

And like Steve said his team selections were pretty good for the most part.

Neither of us have even called for him to be sacked to my knowledge. I want to see him succeed despite what people think.

Yet have a crack at a few of his game plans and you get the lynch mob come in. Teddy, Moses, Brooks, Farah comes out and says something VERY similar to what ive been saying and its still dismissed as hogwash.

LIke the players who are young and inexperienced, Taylor is also a pretty young and inexperienced first grade coach. I don' think coming from assistant coach at the Chooks straight over a side like ours did him any favours in some regards. Like Steve Kearney struggled at Parramatta, you cant just turn Parra into th Melbourne Storm without the same players.

I coach a few cricket teams. And each year you look back on things you should have done better. Not everything you start off with remains in your philosophy as you go on, You try and learn and adapt to the players at your disposal.

Yet people don't want to even entertain the though he might have made a few blews in his first year. He is not a Bennett, Bellemy or Hasler where they have sufficinet runs on the board to treat every move they make as building perfectly for the future. SOme sort of grand masterplan that does not have bumps in the road.

All I'm saying is last year he will be a much better coach for the run, having got to know our squad a bit better.

Its pretty funny actually how sensitive some are to this.

 

[Nelson]

Sorry mate its not pure speculation. Teddy played in that game and I was out there watching.

We completed at 85% and registered a big zero **against a Qld Cup side.**

We lost 8-0 and never threw one shot at them all night.

You gotta do better then that.

So the Cowboys squad for that game:

COWBOYS: 1\. Lachlan Coote 2\. Matthew Wright 3\. Justin O'Neill 4\. Kane Linnett 5\. Antonio Winterstein 14\. Rory Kostjasyn 7\. Ray Thompson 8\. Ben Hannant 9\. Jake Granville 10\. Sam Hoare 11\. Gavin Cooper 12\. Ethan Lowe 18\. Jason Taumalolo. Interchange: 13\. John Asiata 15\. Glenn Hall 16\. Ben Spina 19\. Cameron King.

…and for the grand final:

Cowboys
1 Lachlan Coote - check
2 Kyle Feldt
3 Justin O'Neill - check
4 Kane Linnett - check
5 Antonio Winterstein - check
6 Michael Morgan
7 Johnathan Thurston (c)
8 Matthew Scott (c)
9 Jake Granville - check
10 James Tamou
11 Gavin Cooper - check
12 Ethan Lowe - check
13 Jason Taumalolo - check

Interchange
14 Rory Kostjasyn - check
15 John Asiata - check
16 Scott Bolton
17 Ben Hannant - check

11 out of the 17 players from a grand final winning squad. Queensland cup must be pretty damn good!

It was a terrible game. Everybody knows that. You don't need to exaggerate to make that point.

 

[Eddie]

Sorry mate its not pure speculation. Teddy played in that game and I was out there watching.

We completed at 85% and registered a big zero **against a Qld Cup side.**

We lost 8-0 and never threw one shot at them all night.

You gotta do better then that.

So the Cowboys squad for that game:

COWBOYS: 1\. Lachlan Coote 2\. Matthew Wright 3\. Justin O'Neill 4\. Kane Linnett 5\. Antonio Winterstein 14\. Rory Kostjasyn 7\. Ray Thompson 8\. Ben Hannant 9\. Jake Granville 10\. Sam Hoare 11\. Gavin Cooper 12\. Ethan Lowe 18\. Jason Taumalolo. Interchange: 13\. John Asiata 15\. Glenn Hall 16\. Ben Spina 19\. Cameron King.

…and for the grand final:

Cowboys
1 Lachlan Coote - check
2 Kyle Feldt
3 Justin O'Neill - check
4 Kane Linnett - check
5 Antonio Winterstein - check
6 Michael Morgan
7 Johnathan Thurston (c)
8 Matthew Scott (c)
9 Jake Granville - check
10 James Tamou
11 Gavin Cooper - check
12 Ethan Lowe - check
13 Jason Taumalolo - check

Interchange
14 Rory Kostjasyn - check
15 John Asiata - check
16 Scott Bolton
17 Ben Hannant - check

11 out of the 17 players from a grand final winning squad. Queensland cup must be pretty damn good!

It was a terrible game. Everybody knows that. You don't need to exaggerate to make that point.

Throw out Thurston, Scott, Tamou, Morgan where do they finish?

Honestly.

Bit like our 2005 side taking out Hodgson, Marhsll, Prince, Farah.

You said it, it was a terrible game.

 

[jirskyr]

I don't buy anything about not being able to score a try because you were trying to complete a set. That's pure speculation.
?

Sorry mate its not pure speculation. Teddy played in that game and I was out there watching.

We completed at 85% and registered a big zero against a Qld Cup side.

We lost 8-0 and never threw one shot at them all night.

You gotta do better then that.

That's one game, and how do you know Tedesco is referring specifically to that one game?

And we failed to score that game because… the coach specifically set up a game plan, just one time against one team, that didn't allow us to score? All the other times we scored, they were different game plans?

You can't say "I would have scored there for sure" in footy, unless somebody has stuffed up. You can't say "I would have scored a try but coach wants me to put a kick into touch".

 

[Nelson]

Sorry mate its not pure speculation. Teddy played in that game and I was out there watching.

We completed at 85% and registered a big zero **against a Qld Cup side.**

We lost 8-0 and never threw one shot at them all night.

You gotta do better then that.

So the Cowboys squad for that game:

COWBOYS: 1\. Lachlan Coote 2\. Matthew Wright 3\. Justin O'Neill 4\. Kane Linnett 5\. Antonio Winterstein 14\. Rory Kostjasyn 7\. Ray Thompson 8\. Ben Hannant 9\. Jake Granville 10\. Sam Hoare 11\. Gavin Cooper 12\. Ethan Lowe 18\. Jason Taumalolo. Interchange: 13\. John Asiata 15\. Glenn Hall 16\. Ben Spina 19\. Cameron King.

…and for the grand final:

Cowboys
1 Lachlan Coote - check
2 Kyle Feldt
3 Justin O'Neill - check
4 Kane Linnett - check
5 Antonio Winterstein - check
6 Michael Morgan
7 Johnathan Thurston (c)
8 Matthew Scott (c)
9 Jake Granville - check
10 James Tamou
11 Gavin Cooper - check
12 Ethan Lowe - check
13 Jason Taumalolo - check

Interchange
14 Rory Kostjasyn - check
15 John Asiata - check
16 Scott Bolton
17 Ben Hannant - check

11 out of the 17 players from a grand final winning squad. Queensland cup must be pretty damn good!

It was a terrible game. Everybody knows that. You don't need to exaggerate to make that point.

Throw out Thurston, Scott, Tamou, Morgan where do they finish?

Honestly.

Bit like our 2005 side taking out Hodgson, Marhsll, Prince, Farah.

You said it, it was a terrible game.

They still had some bloody good players and plenty of experience. We weren't exactly fantastic ourselves:

TIGERS: 1\. James Tedesco 2\. Kevin Naiqama 23\. Tim Simona 17\. Delouise Hoeter 5\. Pat Richards 6\. Mitchell Moses 7\. Luke Brooks 8\. Matthew Lodge 9\. Dene Halatau © 11\. Curtis Sironen 4\. Chris Lawrence 13\. Martin Taupau. Interchange: 12\. Kyle Lovett 14\. Ava Seumanufagai 15\. Jack Buchanan 18\. Brenden Santi.

No Farah or Woods, Hoeter (now cut) in the centres and Buchanan, Santi (now cut) and Lovett in the squad.

 

[Eddie]

I don't buy anything about not being able to score a try because you were trying to complete a set. That's pure speculation.
?

Sorry mate its not pure speculation. Teddy played in that game and I was out there watching.

We completed at 85% and registered a big zero against a Qld Cup side.

We lost 8-0 and never threw one shot at them all night.

You gotta do better then that.

That's one game, and how do you know Tedesco is referring specifically to that one game?

And we failed to score that game because… the coach specifically set up a game plan, just one time against one team, that didn't allow us to score? All the other times we scored, they were different game plans?

You can't say "I would have scored there for sure" in footy, unless somebody has stuffed up. You can't say "I would have scored a try but coach wants me to put a kick into touch".

Tedesco was talking about that game. Lets be real with that. Its not speculation?

We couldnt score a try tick - tick
we completed around 80-90 - tick
We didnt look like scoring all night - tick

And your right my bagging of Taylors plan are not from across the season, they are only a few games here and there. Im not totally against him like people think. We actually started the year pretty well.

Were you out there that night? The game plan was very different and very, very simple.

It stood out like dogs balls to be fair in the season along with the Newcastle game away and a couple of others.

 

[Eddie]

Sorry mate its not pure speculation. Teddy played in that game and I was out there watching.

We completed at 85% and registered a big zero **against a Qld Cup side.**

We lost 8-0 and never threw one shot at them all night.

You gotta do better then that.

So the Cowboys squad for that game:

COWBOYS: 1\. Lachlan Coote 2\. Matthew Wright 3\. Justin O'Neill 4\. Kane Linnett 5\. Antonio Winterstein 14\. Rory Kostjasyn 7\. Ray Thompson 8\. Ben Hannant 9\. Jake Granville 10\. Sam Hoare 11\. Gavin Cooper 12\. Ethan Lowe 18\. Jason Taumalolo. Interchange: 13\. John Asiata 15\. Glenn Hall 16\. Ben Spina 19\. Cameron King.

…and for the grand final:

Cowboys
1 Lachlan Coote - check
2 Kyle Feldt
3 Justin O'Neill - check
4 Kane Linnett - check
5 Antonio Winterstein - check
6 Michael Morgan
7 Johnathan Thurston (c)
8 Matthew Scott (c)
9 Jake Granville - check
10 James Tamou
11 Gavin Cooper - check
12 Ethan Lowe - check
13 Jason Taumalolo - check

Interchange
14 Rory Kostjasyn - check
15 John Asiata - check
16 Scott Bolton
17 Ben Hannant - check

11 out of the 17 players from a grand final winning squad. Queensland cup must be pretty damn good!

It was a terrible game. Everybody knows that. You don't need to exaggerate to make that point.

Throw out Thurston, Scott, Tamou, Morgan where do they finish?

Honestly.

Bit like our 2005 side taking out Hodgson, Marhsll, Prince, Farah.

You said it, it was a terrible game.

They still had some bloody good players and plenty of experience. We weren't exactly fantastic ourselves:

TIGERS: 1\. James Tedesco 2\. Kevin Naiqama 23\. Tim Simona 17\. Delouise Hoeter 5\. Pat Richards 6\. Mitchell Moses 7\. Luke Brooks 8\. Matthew Lodge 9\. Dene Halatau © 11\. Curtis Sironen 4\. Chris Lawrence 13\. Martin Taupau. Interchange: 12\. Kyle Lovett 14\. Ava Seumanufagai 15\. Jack Buchanan 18\. Brenden Santi.

No Farah or Woods, Hoeter (now cut) in the centres and Buchanan, Santi (now cut) and Lovett in the squad.

Fair enough mate.

Im not saying we were a disgrace. We tried hard and could have won at the end.

I just found the tactics baffling.

Moses, Brooks and Teddy were on a leash all night.

 

[innsaneink]

Ill leave it at that. :wink:

LOL

 

[Eddie]

Ill leave it at that. :wink:

LOL

When a person quotes a post of mine I like to respond

Manners are free

We will catch up for a beer one day Ink at a game

:wink:

 

[innsaneink]

Id like that