Zane Musgrove

[GNR4LIFE]

Education is key here. What has happened is very wrong and will continue to happen unless Greenburg addresses the issue instead of worrying about stadiums.

The NRL really needs to accept it has a huge issue on its hands. Put in place mandatory programmes for players.

**I did read a comment from GNR disparaging education. Well guess what, some of the players concerned wouldn't tie their bootlaces unless it was on a training video.**

Many of these players were recruited as teenagers and move away from the father figure in their lives who can demonstrate how to behave around or treat women. Others come from one parent families where the father figure is missing or come from households that experience domestic violence. League is built upon young players from dysfunctional households.

Why do grown men have to be educated on how to treat women? If they do, something’s wrong.

 

[Eca]

Hi all
Imagine had we signed Hayne & Walker earlier as well…

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Education is key here. What has happened is very wrong and will continue to happen unless Greenburg addresses the issue instead of worrying about stadiums.

The NRL really needs to accept it has a huge issue on its hands. Put in place mandatory programmes for players.

**I did read a comment from GNR disparaging education. Well guess what, some of the players concerned wouldn't tie their bootlaces unless it was on a training video.**

Many of these players were recruited as teenagers and move away from the father figure in their lives who can demonstrate how to behave around or treat women. Others come from one parent families where the father figure is missing or come from households that experience domestic violence. League is built upon young players from dysfunctional households.

Why do grown men have to be educated on how to treat women? If they do, something’s wrong.

Of course there is something wrong. Boys in the mid teens pulled from their homes in regional NSW, Qld or NZ in the hope of an NRL career. They miss out on the guiding hand of their father. Others come from homes without a father or experience a diet of their father displaying violence towards their mother or siblings. Should they make it to the NRL, they can look forward to a life which is not based on reality - large disposable incomes, alcohol, time and adoring fans as well as Neanderthals on various league stations referring to them as heroes.

 

[cqtiger]

Education?
When told that there is a workshop today on respecting women, I reckon most of them ask “how long does that go for?” Then “what’s on after it?”.

It’s called respect and it is a family value that is learnt from a very early age.

When these sort of people are banned from playing they may get educated faster.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Education?
When told that there is a workshop today on respecting women, I reckon most of them ask “how long does that go for?” Then “what’s on after it?”.

It’s called respect and it is a family value that is learnt from a very early age.

When these sort of people are banned from playing they may get educated faster.

Many don't have families or a male role model to guide them. I think you will find Musgrove was recruited from South Auckland at a young age and transplanted across to Aust. If found guilty of these alleged crimes, he may well be deported back to NZ. The league has to start implementing programmes for Clubs who bring these youngsters in in their mid teens.

 

[cqtiger]

Education?
When told that there is a workshop today on respecting women, I reckon most of them ask “how long does that go for?” Then “what’s on after it?”.

It’s called respect and it is a family value that is learnt from a very early age.

When these sort of people are banned from playing they may get educated faster.

Many don't have families or a male role model to guide them. I think you will find Musgrove was recruited from South Auckland at a young age and transplanted across to Aust. If found guilty of these alleged crimes, he may well be deported back to NZ. The league has to start implementing programmes for Clubs who bring these youngsters in in their mid teens.

… and they’ll all have someone making excuses for them.

 

[earl]

I don't think it is as simple as not having a role model. I mean they are grown men. I do think that dysfunctional relationships can lead to a minor degree of physical aggression which in today's climate could be classified abuse when it never would have been in the past.

In stating that this guy gives me a really bad impression. This isn't a one off loss of temper. It's drunk guys out harrassing women. This guy also has a history of it.

Some people are just bad people.

 

[Balmainian]

I hear this scenario where young fellas are dragged out there homes to pursue an NRL career, without the guidance of their father to show them the appropriate way to respect and Love a woman.
And without their father with them from their middle teens there is this perception that that’s where they went wrong.

I know 2 brothers who lost their dad at a young age, well before teenage years and they are they are good footy players(not NRL)but top of the crop in the local league.
Not once has one of these men ever looked like laying a hand or poor words towards a woman.

You don’t learn how to treat women properly when your in your teens.
You learn it from day dot all the way through life.

 

[philgood]

Education is key here. What has happened is very wrong and will continue to happen unless Greenburg addresses the issue instead of worrying about stadiums.

The NRL really needs to accept it has a huge issue on its hands. Put in place mandatory programmes for players.

**I did read a comment from GNR disparaging education. Well guess what, some of the players concerned wouldn't tie their bootlaces unless it was on a training video.**

Many of these players were recruited as teenagers and move away from the father figure in their lives who can demonstrate how to behave around or treat women. Others come from one parent families where the father figure is missing or come from households that experience domestic violence. League is built upon young players from dysfunctional households.

Why do grown men have to be educated on how to treat women? If they do, something’s wrong.

Beacuse Zane's dad probably was violent towards his mother, and thats all that Zane knows?

 

[Balmainian]

Just to be fair!
As ink mentioned the details to what Zane has done are not known.
But the fact he’s been involved in 2 incidents in 12 months pretty much sum up the young fella.

 

[Telltails]

They know right from wrong - its not rocket science. Its just at any given time for whatever reason, they choose not to do the right thing. And with that comes consequences.
Its time for the NRL to decide how seroius they are about this - a slap on the wrist and a second chance, or a permanent expulsion from the game - if proven to mistreat women in any way - with no avenue back in.
Frankly Im over it, and maybe if these young men had to earn a wage like the rest of us then somehow it might start sinking in, and if it doesnt more fool them.
They want to act tough when it suits them and want pity when they get caught. Playing us all for fools.Time for the game to get tough.

 

[JD Tiger]

The players are well and truly educated on what happens to men who engage in domestic violence/physical assault. After enough times, get sacked from your club, then go and sign with another club.

It all depends on your status in the game.

There is some room to come out the other side though, Russel Packer for one.

 

[Donald_Trump]

These guys get plenty of education. What these idiots lack is integrity - doing the right thing when no one is looking.

I’m sick of this second chance crap.

 

[Newtown]

Education is key here. What has happened is very wrong and will continue to happen unless Greenburg addresses the issue instead of worrying about stadiums.

The NRL really needs to accept it has a huge issue on its hands. Put in place mandatory programmes for players.

**I did read a comment from GNR disparaging education. Well guess what, some of the players concerned wouldn't tie their bootlaces unless it was on a training video.**

Many of these players were recruited as teenagers and move away from the father figure in their lives who can demonstrate how to behave around or treat women. Others come from one parent families where the father figure is missing or come from households that experience domestic violence. League is built upon young players from dysfunctional households.

Why do grown men have to be educated on how to treat women? If they do, something’s wrong.

Beacuse Zane's dad probably was violent towards his mother, and thats all that Zane knows?

Zane cannot use that as an excuse. Surely he has been exposed in some form or another to know what's right and what's wrong. In fact the judge gave him a stern talking to in this matter during his previous misdemeanor in September 2018.

 

[Geo]

I don't think it is as simple as not having a role model. I mean they are grown men. I do think that dysfunctional relationships can lead to a minor degree of physical aggression which in today's climate could be classified abuse when it never would have been in the past.

In stating that this guy gives me a really bad impression. This isn't a one off loss of temper. It's drunk guys out harrassing women. This guy also has a history of it.
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Some people are just bad people.

Geez Earl..you nailed…same with the other peanut Walker a poor me attitude because he has talent excuses are made...

About time no more..

 

[hammertime]

It's really hard to find the balance between victim and society.

Ultimately, there has to be harsh punishments for not only a deterrent, but to provide suffering equal to what the victim went through and an exile for the ongoing safety of others.

On the other hand, if blokes like this can be reformed to understand themselves and their actions better, breaking the intergenerational traits being passed down, society will benefit.

I don't envy people working out the best method of reform for these kids as well as provide a just punishment.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Education is key here. What has happened is very wrong and will continue to happen unless Greenburg addresses the issue instead of worrying about stadiums.

The NRL really needs to accept it has a huge issue on its hands. Put in place mandatory programmes for players.

**I did read a comment from GNR disparaging education. Well guess what, some of the players concerned wouldn't tie their bootlaces unless it was on a training video.**

Many of these players were recruited as teenagers and move away from the father figure in their lives who can demonstrate how to behave around or treat women. Others come from one parent families where the father figure is missing or come from households that experience domestic violence. League is built upon young players from dysfunctional households.

Why do grown men have to be educated on how to treat women? If they do, something’s wrong.

Beacuse Zane's dad probably was violent towards his mother, and thats all that Zane knows?

That’s like excusing a child molester because they were molested as a child.

 

[rex2ce]

The other consideration is that Musgrove is a guest in this country, not sure about Packer and Walker, if found guilty, especially second time, first plane across the ditch with no chance of return

 

[Tim Sheens]

It's really hard to find the balance between victim and society.

Ultimately, there has to be harsh punishments for not only a deterrent, but to provide suffering equal to what the victim went through and an exile for the ongoing safety of others.

On the other hand, if blokes like this can be reformed to understand themselves and their actions better, breaking the intergenerational traits being passed down, society will benefit.

I don't envy people working out the best method of reform for these kids as well as provide a just punishment.

Just is the key word. The justice system must deal out the appropriate punishment, which having so many things to consider is no mean feat. As I stated earlier, generally people deserve a chance to gain redemption, but break that trust and heavy consequences should befall swiftly, as no other member of the community should be further exposed.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Education is key here. What has happened is very wrong and will continue to happen unless Greenburg addresses the issue instead of worrying about stadiums.

The NRL really needs to accept it has a huge issue on its hands. Put in place mandatory programmes for players.

**I did read a comment from GNR disparaging education. Well guess what, some of the players concerned wouldn't tie their bootlaces unless it was on a training video.**

Many of these players were recruited as teenagers and move away from the father figure in their lives who can demonstrate how to behave around or treat women. Others come from one parent families where the father figure is missing or come from households that experience domestic violence. League is built upon young players from dysfunctional households.

Why do grown men have to be educated on how to treat women? If they do, something’s wrong.

Beacuse Zane's dad probably was violent towards his mother, and thats all that Zane knows?

That’s like excusing a child molester because they were molested as a child.

Most of us are trying to understand why a young man with the world at his feet would allegedly act in this way? As much as I find violence against women/sexual assault aborrhent, it is also difficult not to feel for Musgrove.

Mention of peodophilia is hardly warranted.