BAGNF05
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He has signed Kikau, Reed Mahoney, Matt Burton, JAC. These are class players . We could only dream of attracting so many good players in their prime. When they fix their spine they will be alright.
Michael Maguire leaves club
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tony soprano
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I reckon it's true look at his fluff title and you can tell sheens has zero footprint on the coaching of the side which sheens has expressly confirmed a few times.
tony soprano
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Yeah see how they go next year still don't have a half or fullback tho. Shit coach too
BAGNF05
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I think Barrett will come under pressure unless they start scoring some tries.
tony soprano
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Yeah not sure how any coaches would want to work with Gould tho.
Blacknwhite
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Im an old man, been in my fair share of toxic workplaces, though from my experience there is only two kinds.... toxic management or toxic workforce.
To have an opinion on this subject, going 4 in a row of toxic management has qualifying and quantative data involved.
Can Ivan Cleary coach or not? Hard answer to make, he was gifted a star studded line up, yet has faced difficulty (minor as it may be) with a fluctuating roster and has demonstrated the necessary skills to remain a winning tempo. Man management on a personal level seems amazing at this stage, little skill training necessary due to solid systems in place.
Maquire has a better resume, he turned around an underperforming Bunnies ( personally would argue he walked into an underperforming squad yet very capable), and to be fair, they have performed since his move. Not hard to understand a bunch of pea hearts selling sob stories after they were stars ducking the hard work....
As fans, we can all rate his interchange... wont defend it, but a proven winner has to, unequivocally be more focussed on the consistent failures of the roster. As A fan, I can tell you all, I personally am watching the games to try and see when it all falls apart, and how, rather than looking for fatigue. No excuse, but truth.
Cleary, nor Maguire arent our magic pills, so blaming the coach has been well and truly disproven in my eyes. Being objective, coaches of pedigree have failed, questioning their pedigree has past used its due date, and the pedigree of the squad is where we need to be looking. These flops giving a few better games under new instruction, isnt enough! Professionals in any walk of life, any trade, produce quality the face the sack. Poor management as an excuse, is the refuse of the weak and unwilling.
To have an opinion on this subject, going 4 in a row of toxic management has qualifying and quantative data involved.
Can Ivan Cleary coach or not? Hard answer to make, he was gifted a star studded line up, yet has faced difficulty (minor as it may be) with a fluctuating roster and has demonstrated the necessary skills to remain a winning tempo. Man management on a personal level seems amazing at this stage, little skill training necessary due to solid systems in place.
Maquire has a better resume, he turned around an underperforming Bunnies ( personally would argue he walked into an underperforming squad yet very capable), and to be fair, they have performed since his move. Not hard to understand a bunch of pea hearts selling sob stories after they were stars ducking the hard work....
As fans, we can all rate his interchange... wont defend it, but a proven winner has to, unequivocally be more focussed on the consistent failures of the roster. As A fan, I can tell you all, I personally am watching the games to try and see when it all falls apart, and how, rather than looking for fatigue. No excuse, but truth.
Cleary, nor Maguire arent our magic pills, so blaming the coach has been well and truly disproven in my eyes. Being objective, coaches of pedigree have failed, questioning their pedigree has past used its due date, and the pedigree of the squad is where we need to be looking. These flops giving a few better games under new instruction, isnt enough! Professionals in any walk of life, any trade, produce quality the face the sack. Poor management as an excuse, is the refuse of the weak and unwilling.
liltiger
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From what you see blacknwhite from your perspective where is it going wrong. Is it a boardroom issue, a rostering issue, an issue with the actual playing group. I think as Tigers fans it's not the losses that's the most dissapointing, it's the total lack of heart and commitment.
200 - 300 dollars to these players is nothing really, but to two parents with two or three kids it's a week of sacrifice to get to the game to support their team, to then have the team dish that rubbish up.
Where do you see it all going wrong.
One thing I have noticed this week in particular is the total disconnect between the Wests Tigers organisation and us supporters. I don't think the organisation understands just how angry and fed up the supporter base is about how things currently are
Tiger-ferret
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A poster wrote recently on here somewhere (can’t remember who sorry) something along the lines of that wests ashfield, controlling majority of the wests tigers, don’t actually care about the on field results because the books $$ are good. It rocked me a little. I hope it’s not true.
If it is, that is the crux of our problem and I’m not sure how I can continue to invest my time into the club because there is no hope. Successful organizations truly believe and are passionate about the cause.
To top it off I saw a FB post this evening about Pascoe leaving for a 5 week break to NT (again not sure if fake news)…
Yep. There were also reports of mixed messages with Morris’ communication, which the players didn’t like apparently. I agree on the need for a coach that can connect with this generation as they are a different breed but If any of the commentary around Morris is true, he’s probably not our guy.
He is on vacation but didn’t realise it was 5 weeks I was think maybe a 2 week holiday and I thought 2 weeks was bad …. But 5 weeks !
Blacknwhite
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I wish I could analyse the team as though they were professionals, but that isnt the case. To look at us as a finished product is insanity... If you want to watch how inept our team is, I invite every single fan to re-watch last weeks game, and look for these basics, forget the errors we never defend, just watch these outcomes, and you understand how we fall apart.....
1: James Tamou at first marker: Fullback should be counting and screaming, Laurie was injured but this is a week to week fail. Our usual issue is our props are lazy in the ruck, extreme opposite is Tamou first marker. Tamou is running in tar ball in hand, but solid in "d", bloke arm out signals his intent, hits a 45 deg run from marker to shut down and push line speed and a staggered line not responding leaves gaps, often....
2: Set plays. Brooks runs them as though he never believes runners will be there. Personally think he cannot direct a team and create, but last week we ran the plays 4 times with all players in motion, problem was, not that the runners were there, (for once), but that he wasnt playing eyes up and choosing the pass or run, but spoiled for choice. Once it swings left, it should be soft line ball pass, cut-out pass, or run.... not decided on training drills, but the decisions of the defensive line. 0-4.
3: Hooker issues : we had issues with Robbie, sucks to say, but he played down the centre to control Benji. Liddle has the same problem, yet he doesnt deliver half as well. Lids cannot determine if we control the ruck speed or not, thus we play skinny, even after dominating the ruck speed off the forwards. Slow PTB.... Lids cannot read ruck speed, neverlone pass well, nor keep his own knee out of the way. Be good at something, 100% of the balll is through him.
TSP
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Some nice points.
We haven’t been savaged at every outing this year, still a pulse.
Hasting being rushed into half back seems quite a revolutionary yet logical move at this point.
Any thoughts?
BAGNF05
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It’s holiday time on their end
Blacknwhite
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my thinking, while entirely important to me, has absolutely and undeniably no effect on how these players will respond on a personal and professional level. My guess, would be, "extremely poorly".
earl
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I'd believe those comments as much as I believe the poster who posted them has the ability to read people's minds.
Of course it's not true. He/she just made it up.
liltiger
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I wrote on a Tigers supporters page on Facebook that Wests Ashfield could care less about us winning games so long as they have an outlet to pump millions into as a tax write off. That Wests Ashfield broke the ATO using the Wests Tigers.
Whether you like Buzz or not, he probably does get some occasional mail on things around the place. Would you be surprised if Sheens was on less than Gus and part of his role was to the shield the incompetency of the club. I wouldn't be surprised at all.
Pascoes_barber
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Seriously? You must be familiar with this set play, surely the 'favourite' amongst players and fans alike:
- Set starts on our own 20m line
- Tepid 1 out runs for 5 tackles
- An awesome high kick from our own 40m line landing on the opposition fullback's chest
- Slow/disinterested chasers letting the oppo get back to (or over) the half way mark by the second tackle.
I also wouldn’t be surprised that Sheens may feel it’s within his right not to disclose to Buzz how his job is structured and could potentially have given him a bit of fluff to report on to deflect from anything happening in the background.
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