Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Magpie_Magic]

This is a circular argument. So women aren't discriminated with Super but with wages and therefore they end up with less Super.

Maybe a better way for me to phrase my response to this is did my wife earn less than me due to her choices (and potentially ability) or due to discrimination.

I don't think it's a simple issue where women are discriminated against within their job. I'm not going the other way and stating men are discriminated against and that we don't need some positive discrimination for women.

I worked for the Commonwealth Bank and when I left they had a clear policy to promote women to executive level positions.



That is different but what can you do about that ? I watched a story about older Asian men gambling all their money away and leaving their wives destitute.

It's wrong but is that discrimination ?

Agree,

Affirmative action discriminates against men in isolation while promoting a general equality idea.

And if anybody's thinking divorce, don't.

You will be discriminated against if you're a man....sorry a male person.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

Hopefully he does -----Directly to Centrelink

Anyone but teal "independents"/Greens/"moderate" - read green LNP, and ALP!

 

[earl]

Sad to say, we were not too far, and in the case of Shěngjí Xíngzhèngqū (Chairman's Dan Xi Province), in the middle of it during the covid hysteria

No we aren't and it's miles and miles and miles off. We are so far away from a Commie state it's not funny. I'm surprised people even mention communism. It's failed completely. No one is bringing it back.

I heard Scomo talk today about how well we've handled the pandemic. I think we've handled it better than any country in the world.

Lockdowns + high vaccination rates = less deaths and a better economy. If you are arguing against that you are on the wrong side of history.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

All asset prices including house prices are dictated too not so much by real supply but by the global money supply.

I can't find the link because I read dozens of business articles daily and it was a couple of years ago but Australia's house price growth roughly followed Chinese house price growth since around 2000, because ultimately prices are dictated too by the highest bidder and wealthy Chinese siphoning money here meant we competed against them at auctions. The average worker could not compete against global money while globalization oppressed a workers wages.

Remember speaking to many real estate agents and the first thing they would tell you is that "We advertise in all the main overseas Chinese property media."

Hence the empty housing.

The divergence came in 2017 when the China government made it difficult for their citizens to move capital out of the country and since then our house prices have gone nowhere except for the artificial spike during lockdown again inspired by global QE capital flows.

What we could have done years ago is created laws like many Asian and other countries have where a non local can only buy 50% of property with a local. That would have totally changed house price dynamics.

Thanks for the rundown. That makes sense.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

No we aren't and it's miles and miles and miles off. We are so far away from a Commie state it's not funny. I'm surprised people even mention communism. It's failed completely. No one is bringing it back.

Nobody.

But oppression can take many forms.
Arbitrary state of emergencies and curfews and helicopters flying overhead at 9pm was weird and scary.

Melbourne had the longest lockdown in the world.

I heard Scomo talk today about how well we've handled the pandemic. I think we've handled it better than any country in the world.

The irony is China is handling it better.

Less deaths less lockdowns less handouts.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Nobody.

But oppression can take many forms.
Arbitrary state of emergencies and curfews and helicopters flying overhead at 9pm was weird and scary.

Melbourne had the longest lockdown in the world.

The irony is China is handling it better.

Less deaths less lockdowns less handouts.

I wouldn't trust anything that China says regarding their handling of the Corona Virus.

They're reporting that they've only had 222K cases. They have 18 cities with 10million+ people, and Chongqing alone has 32.5million people in it. There's no way they've kept a lid on it with 1 billion people and some of the most densely populated cities in the world.

 

[earl]

What we could have done years ago is created laws like many Asian and other countries have where a non local can only buy 50% of property with a local. That would have totally changed house price dynamics.

I don't think this is true. Read the article I posted about house prices. It's much more comprehensive and not looking for simplistic reasons for house price increases.

The money supply is the big reason for the increase in house prices. All the low interest rates and funneling money into the economy leads us (society) to outbid the next person to get your house.

I don't think it matters if a foreigner buys the house or not. I could make a valid argument that foreigners buying houses is a good thing as it could increase the supply of houses in Australia.

More than 80% of Australians mistakenly believe Chinese investors are driving up house prices

In survey 82% of respondents blame buyers from China despite data showing record-low foreign investment

www.theguardian.com

Analysts and economists say this is due to domestic Australian buyers and record low interest rates, not foreign and Chinese buyers.

Eliza Owen, the head of research for Australia at CoreLogic, said foreign investment had actually fallen to a record low during March 2021 – the same month the survey was taken.

Data compiled by the National Australia Bank shows foreign investors made up only 3.7% of new home sales and 2.2% of established homes in the March quarter.

I'll add that my in-laws are Fillipino and I've heard my MIL state that the only people buying houses in the Eastern Suburbs are the Chinese. It's not neccassarily racist. It's just ill informed.

 

[jadtiger]

I wouldn't trust anything that China says regarding their handling of the Corona Virus.

They're reporting that they've only had 222K cases. They have 18 cities with 10million+ people, and Chongqing alone has 32.5million people in it. There's no way they've kept a lid on it with 1 billion people and some of the most densely populated cities in the world.

Completely agree and if you care to believe politicians North Korea had their first cases of covid about 1 week ago (according to the despot who rules there ).As a general rule of thumb "the more autocratic a state is the less likely you are to hear the truth".

 

[earl]

The irony is China is handling it better.

Less deaths less lockdowns less handouts.

I wouldn't even consider using China as a good example. They are an autocratic state and they lie and lie and lie.

 

[earl]

As a general rule of thumb "the more autocratic a state is the less likely you are to hear the truth".

I think when a lot of people are talking about Communism they are really talking about autocratic states.

The funny thing is the far right/conspiracy theorists are the big threats to democracy.

 

[TillLindemann]

The irony is China is handling it better.

Less deaths less lockdowns less handouts.

Eh? China's lockdowns are way stricter than anything we've had here.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Is this discrimination ? I'm not convinced at all. My wife has about 1/4 of the Super I have. She earned a lot less and worked less. I'm assuming if we were to get divorced she would get half my Super as well.

I think we call out discrimination way too easily.

she does your wife is entitled to half your earned super

 

[Magpie_Magic]

I wouldn't even consider using China as a good example. They are an autocratic state and they lie and lie and lie.

No doubt they lie but so do Western nations and everyone else.

Thing us though they have had Less less disruption to their society and less percentage of their population restricted due to the virus and less handouts compared to say Australia.

 

[earl]

she does your wife is entitled to half your earned super

She would get half of everything which is fair. If you just look at the stats though the impression is that my wife has been discriminated against.

It gives a false impression.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

Eh? China's lockdowns are way stricter than anything we've had here.

Not liking them but targeted short term lockdowns.

We were virtually restrictied for 2 years while life for the bulk of their population most of the time was normal.

 

[earl]

Not liking them but targeted short term lockdown.

We were virtually restrictied for 2 years while life for the bulk of their population most of the time was normal.

This isn't rational. In fact it's hilarious.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

She would get half of everything which is fair. If you just look at the stats though the impression is that my wife has been discriminated against.

It gives a false impression.

Don't even think about it lol.

Why is it fair they access your super?

They get more share of assets when their are kids involved. But they don't give proportion back when kids are adults.

And then they say they have a right to abortion because it's their body their choice. Lol.

 

[Pascoes_barber]

Not liking them but targeted short term lockdown.

We were virtually restrictied for 2 years while life for the bulk of their population most of the time was normal.

And now they’ve had fences/gates constructed in front of their homes and are starving to death.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

This isn't rational. In fact it's hilarious.

I wasn't laughing in lockdown.

I'm sure you could run a spreadsheet from readily available sources where you could mathematically work out how many people were in lockdown for how many days as a percentage of population versus ourselves and what rate of infection as a population percentage.

Also the rate of handouts relative to GDP.

Like I said I don't like them.

But they have had less disruption .

 

[Magpie_Magic]

I don't think this is true. Read the article I posted about house prices. It's much more comprehensive and not looking for simplistic reasons for house price increases.

The money supply is the big reason for the increase in house prices. All the low interest rates and funneling money into the economy leads us (society) to outbid the next person to get your house.

I don't think it matters if a foreigner buys the house or not. I could make a valid argument that foreigners buying houses is a good thing as it could increase the supply of houses in Australia.

And many buy houses and leave them empty so supply isn't necessarily increased.

More than 80% of Australians mistakenly believe Chinese investors are driving up house prices

In survey 82% of respondents blame buyers from China despite data showing record-low foreign investment

www.theguardian.com

I'll add that my in-laws are Fillipino and I've heard my MIL state that the only people buying houses in the Eastern Suburbs are the Chinese. It's not neccassarily racist. It's just ill informed.

I don't believe that non PR residents should have access to buying residential homes.

They should direct their investments to business or half shares with locals.