Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[TrueTiger]

This is honestly Russian or some other propaganda. Why do you believe this stuff ?



Do you know how offensive these comments are. So Russian soldiers raping and killing Ukrainian people is fine.

You do realize Russia has invaded and is dropping bombs on the Ukraine regularly.

Mate - you aren't a rude ingrate but your beliefs are just conspiracy theories that aren't true and they are offensive.

Can you provide the proof of the Russian soldiers raping and killing civilians...
My understanding is that no civilian man woman or child is hurt by the Russians,they provided humanitarian relief and a safe corridor for them...you need to get off main stream media ...
Your blatant belittling of me for voicing my research is whats offensive Earl...you prove that my ""conspiracy theories in your view"" arent true...

 

[earl]

Can you provide the proof of the Russian soldiers raping and killing civilians...
My understanding is that no civilian man woman or child is hurt by the Russians,they provided humanitarian relief and a safe corridor for them...you need to get off main stream media ...
Your blatant belittling of me for voicing my research is whats offensive Earl...you prove that my ""conspiracy theories in your view"" arent true...

If women are getting raped in the Ukraine via Russian soldiers is that something you would consider wrong ?

If the Russians are killing civilians do you believe that is wrong ?

If this was happening would you change your viewpoint ?

Take your time prior to responding to this because if you believe these acts are wrong then you are in a dilemma. You would have to admit that the sources of your information are wrong and probably Russian propaganda.

I'm actually right in this instance and you are wrong. That is the facts.

Just to be clear you are supportive of a dictatorial regime who invades another country without a good reason and is killing and raping civilians. I really hope you are delusional because if you aren't then you are a bad human being.

 

[Tucker]

Then there's the shitposter cohort...

...of which you seem to be a founding member.

 

[Tucker]

I think the judicial system should stop these cases going further. I understand what you are stating but I can't see this case sticking even if he was found guilty.

He would appeal.

I expect the legal system to be above politics. I accept this isn't the case but I think we should take a step back and reflect on the role of the legal system.

Yes I agree entirely.
Women should not get their day in court....oh wait, thats insane isnt it?

 

[Tucker]

And that's the issue. I've tried to engage in rational debate but they're not interested. It's not even the viewpoints that bother me, it's the constant childish trolling and name-calling.

LOL I reported you last week for doing this exact thing that you are currently claiming others are doing. Absolutely pathetic hypocrisy.
What size ladder is required to help get you down off that very tall horse of yours?

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

The reality is both your and in @InBenjiWeTrust posts re this topic are accurate at different times during the development and subsequent democratically elected ascent to power of the NAZI party.

And as for murdering minorities, weakening unions and working with private industrialists the same is true for far left regimes.

As presented before, Hitler signed the Pact with Stalin. So just that fact would support my statement that Hitler remained on the left, even after 1930s, as he did not sign a similar pact with FDR or Chamberlain, even as "socialism/communism" was the world's trend in 1930s, e.g. FDR's the New deal. FDR sent delegations to Italy and Germany to learn from the "horse's mouth" about their methods/policies, the UK's elites were impressed with Stalin and were his supporters.
Note that even after the WW2 this trend remained, as the most Soviet's spies were recruited from their elites' (the Cambridge Spy Ring, Portland Spy Ring, Philby, Oppenheimer? etc.).
Another common interest was their "anti-imperialism", and Stalin trusted Hitler even as he received verifiable warnings through the Soviet's spy network (e.g. Sorge) that the attack was imminent. Stalin perceived the "imperialists" as the biggest threat, and he focused on elimination of his top generals and party members (e.g. Trotsky) who he perceived as "traitors", "counterrevolutionaries" and "imperialists' spies").
And the old "revolution devours its children" rhymes, if not repeats. The "useful idiots" (VI Lenin's term for the "wests' intelligencia") were the first to go. So Stalin (through NKVD- Beria, Yagoda, and their tool Kominterna) continued with elimination of any perceived opposition (the authentic communists) in many countries - e.g. Germany, Austria, Poland, Yugoslavia, France, Spain, Greece, Albania etc.

 

[earl]

Yes I agree entirely.
Women should not get their day in court....oh wait, thats insane isnt it?

It's not about that. This is what gets me. It shouldn't be a political issue. The judicial system should be above this.

 

[Tim Sheens]

So you dont think its possible for there to exist good people on the right?

No, though that cannot include anyone who thinks that the terrible man meant anything other than what those few words stated. The calculated Trump endorsed and legitimised their hate.

Same with the "stand back and stand by" statement. Similarly with the above, it was amongst other words, thousands on that night. Those that it was aimed at knew exactly what it was, condoning their actions and a future call to arms to overthrow the government.

He began his political life with the Barack Obama birtherism BS and still carries on with the same emphasising HUSSEIN crap to this day. Again, pretending otherwise is delusional.

 

[Yossarian]

As presented before, Hitler signed the Pact with Stalin. So just that fact would support my statement that Hitler remained on the left, even after 1930s, as he did not sign a similar pact with FDR or Chamberlain, even as "socialism/communism" was the world's trend in 1930s, e.g. FDR's the New deal. FDR sent delegations to Italy and Germany to learn from the "horse's mouth" about their methods/policies, the UK's elites were impressed with Stalin and were his supporters.
Note that even after the WW2 this trend remained, as the most Soviet's spies were recruited from their elites' (the Cambridge Spy Ring, Portland Spy Ring, Philby, Oppenheimer? etc.).
Another common interest was their "anti-imperialism", and Stalin trusted Hitler even as he received verifiable warnings through the Soviet's spy network (e.g. Sorge) that the attack was imminent. Stalin perceived the "imperialists" as the biggest threat, and he focused on elimination of his top generals and party members (e.g. Trotsky) who he perceived as "traitors", "counterrevolutionaries" and "imperialists' spies").
And the old "revolution devours its children" rhymes, if not repeats. The "useful idiots" (VI Lenin's term for the "wests' intelligencia") were the first to go. So Stalin (through NKVD- Beria, Yagoda, and their tool Kominterna) continued with elimination of any perceived opposition (the authentic communists) in many countries - e.g. Germany, Austria, Poland, Yugoslavia, France, Spain, Greece, Albania etc.

No it wouldn’t support that at all. Hitler and Stalin signed the pact because it was mutually beneficial to both countries. Germany wanted to avoid fighting the Soviets in 1939 because they were unprepared to do so. The pact enabled Germany to invade Poland without the threat of Soviet military opposition. Likewise the Soviets avoided a war they felt unprepared for and were able to take half of Poland with minimal effort. This mutually agreeable understanding is in no way a tacit endorsement of each other’s political beliefs.

There was no corresponding agreement with the US because there was no reason to do so. Hitler wasn’t interested in conflict with the USA and Germany did not see an immediate threat. No pact with Chamberlain? There was a big conference and agreement in Munich after the Czechoslovakian crisis. Hitler thought the British were his natural allies. When it became clear England would go to war over Germany invading Poland, Germany did what it needed to do to buy time.

Stalin didn’t think or didn’t want to believe Germany would invade. Again I don’t think this was because they shared political views, he was shitscared of the German army and didn’t want to provoke them. He knew the threat was there but he was also trying to buy as much time as possible.

Communism is not the same as socialism in the same way conservatism is not the same as fascism.

Stalin forced Trotsky out because he was the biggest threat to his position. He no doubt didn’t like Trotsky’s politics but Trotsky was a more pure Marxist than Stalin. As with his approach to various communist groups post-war, his interests were driven by who he could manipulate rather than political.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Anyone have any thoughts on the Brittany Higgins case ?

Personally I can't believe it even got to court. There was no evidence.

Much of the evidence was literally washed away at the direction of the minister.

I expect that we the public will again be paying compensation to a victim, yet the alleged perpetrators, such as Alan Tudge, remain on the payroll from the public purse.

 

[earl]

Much of the evidence was literally washed away at the direction of the minister.

I don't believe this. Do you think the minister told her to go home, have a shower to remove the evidence and to shut up. If this happened then she should be charged with perverting the course of justice.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

It's not about that. This is what gets me. It shouldn't be a political issue. The judicial system should be above this.

could not agree more, but there is one rule for Ms Higgins and the other for Ms Sheriff

 

[Tucker]

No, though that cannot include anyone who thinks that the terrible man meant anything other than what those few words stated. The calculated Trump endorsed and legitimised their hate.

Thats a poor take.
He was referring to ANTIFA destroying everything.
There is good and bad on each side and to not understand that is dangerous.

 

[earl]

He was referring to ANTIFA destroying everything.
There is good and bad on each side and to not understand that is dangerous.

These Antifa are everywhere aren't they. They are like all the guys who were getting cancelled when I was at the grocery store. Just thousands of them.

I was petrified.

 

[Tucker]

It's not about that. This is what gets me. It shouldn't be a political issue. The judicial system should be above this.

It was made a political issue by others not least of which was Lisa Wilkinson. She and her dolt of a husband are the bad guys here and they should receive severe backlash from the public.
As for the trial, there has to have been a reasonable chance he'd be found guilty for the DPP to pursue it. It would be sheer incompetency to go ahead otherwise.

 

[Tucker]

These Antifa are everywhere aren't they. They are like all the guys who were getting cancelled when I was at the grocery store. Just thousands of them.

I was petrified.

They dont exist either?
Where are you from man?

 

[earl]

It was made a political issue by others not least of which was Lisa Wilkinson. She and her dolt of a husband are the bad guys here and they should receive severe backlash from the public

I agree with you. My mum agrees with you. She is a lefty.

I think the whole situation was absurd.

As for the trial, there has to have been a reasonable chance he'd be found guilty for the DPP to pursue it. It would be sheer incompetency to go ahead otherwise.

I'm stating that there was not sufficient evidence to pursue this and I think it was politically motivated and I don't like it. Some people obviously feel differently. Yoss stated it's up to the jury to make that decision but I think the process is wrong.

I also feel these civil cases are wrong. It just feels to me like trying to make money out of a situation that isn't a joke.

 

[earl]

They dont exist either?
Where are you from man?

The real world. You should come and visit.

 

[Tim Sheens]

As long as it is factual and has balance, I fully endorse whatever is taught.

Most of my schooling was an extremely glorified view of the Commonwealth, being a very different picture of reality. Even singing another nation's anthem every morning through most of primary.

Thankfully, I had one teacher in year 6 that showed a much more balanced view, opening up and broadening my education, which I have very much appreciated for the rest of my life.

 

[Tucker]

I agree with you. My mum agrees with you. She is a lefty.

I think the whole situation was absurd.



I'm stating that there was not sufficient evidence to pursue this and I think it was politically motivated and I don't like it. Some people obviously feel differently. Yoss stated it's up to the jury to make that decision but I think the process is wrong.

I also feel these civil cases are wrong. It just feels to me like trying to make money out of a situation that isn't a joke.

Me too movement has a lot to answer for and believing people solely based upon gender is idiotic.
One thing Im not hearing anyone say about this case is that this bloke may be innocent and if he is his name has been dragged through the mud. He has been labelled guilty by large sections of the media and public without trial, lost his job and now because the trial was aborted without verdict, he is yet to prove innocence which means he carries this stain forever.
I dont begrudge him going the civil route. She is claiming $3M for accusing someone of rape, not proving it and getting all depressed. Thats crazy.