Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Vicious]

His numbers are well down on what he has done the last few years. That probably is due to being in a weaker team but given his limited minutes role I thought they would be pretty similar despite the different quality around him.

Additionally there has been a few games every year where Sharks were down on troops and he put in bigger shifts without much of a drop in performance. As such I was expecting him to do 30-35 minutes a game rather than 20-25 minutes.

I think our go forward is generally good when Royce is on the field and we have our fair share of possession, however he struggles noticeably to get back in position when defending back to back sets or when our opponents are offloading.
It certainly puts a bigger workload on our other middle forwards when it happens.
This is why we have to be very careful of who we play on our edges as although I agree Seyfarth is not offering us near enough from an attacking point of view, he never shirks his task defensively.
It’s all about balance between workers and impact players and we don’t appear to have the right balance at the moment.

 

[Camel2281]

No a signing, some behavioural issue. Club looking at security footage and it won’t be tolerated. The Campbelltown curse continues

Exactly. Campbelltown is a graveyard for us. Why continue playing games there

 

[BlackWhiteGold]

Hunt maybe our Bulldozer but he needs to stop hitting the KFC/MACCAS before and after training.

Maybe Terrell can get Royce to go on his long runs in the off-season with him lol

 

[stephen]

I hope the club goes all out to develop Sukkar. His running and strong defence reminds me of former Balmain second rower David Brooks.

Not sure I'd go that far, Paws.
He did look OK, though. Seemed to be a bit more up to speed at NRL level than his past games. More promising than many might think.

 

[Vicious]

Not sure I'd go that far, Paws.
He did look OK, though. Seemed to be a bit more up to speed at NRL level than his past games. More promising than many might think.

He is also managed by Isaac Moses, so even if we promote him to our starting line up and he keeps improving, do you think he will re-sign with us or head elsewhere as of November 1 ?
It’s unfortunate but as long as Benji remains as our coach we will be in a no win situation with Isaac Moses clients.

 

[TSP]

i dont understamd why a review is neccesary

Its either players not folliwing the game plan or unable to.

Or that the game plan itself is effed.

 

[Spacecub]

For this year sure but they hamper us long term imo. This year was about improving and clearing deadwood and imo we are doing that. It's not pretty but we have moved a whole lot of average on making us skinny as. But it if we get this right we could be anything I know it's a big if

Unfortunately getting it right and this club don't align

 

[Vicious]

i dont understamd why a review is neccesary

Its either players not folliwing the game plan or unable to.

Or that the game plan itself is effed.

You get better 5th tackle attacking options from teams playing A-Grade, surely that needs a review in itself ?

 

[HabboTiger]

i dont understamd why a review is neccesary

Its either players not folliwing the game plan or unable to.

Or that the game plan itself is effed.

Or that we have a player issue…

 

[TSP]

You get better 5th tackle attacking options from teams playing A-Grade, surely that needs a review in itself ?

Is that Benji or players?

I was thinking in our case we can have;

Players deliberately not following Benji.
Players unable to, no skills, physical shortcomings, fear or whatever

Plus

benjis plan is effed anyway.

And we all know, someone innocent is going to be the scapegoat.

 

[Jolls]

i dont understamd why a review is neccesary

Its either players not folliwing the game plan or unable to.

Or that the game plan itself is effed.

Benji mentioned a mid season review; this would be standard practive and would cover the entire programme.

 

[TSP]

Benji mentioned a mid season review; this would be standard practive and would cover the entire programme.

Well i think we should focus on core issues as ive mentioned.

I dont think Benji will be subject to any close scrutiny. That could be an issue atm.

How long do we give him?

I think we are in some trouble.

We move at glacial pace usually.

 

[Tito Santana]

harsh on Staines , he had a go and carried it back with some spirit , he is a keeper , Seyfarth is rubbish and reserve grader only , Naden is rubbish , reserve grader only , Sukker deserves a crack in the start team replacing Seyfarth ,Mee also need to put a rocket up Sam F he has been just average ,

It is harsh but that’s why we are in the situation we are in. We take on guys that aren’t up to it. Cant afford to have these guys in the team for anything else except depth. Which he is at the moment.

 

[Needaname]

Well i think we should focus on core issues as ive mentioned.

I dont think Benji will be subject to any close scrutiny. That could be an issue atm.

How long do we give him?

I think we are in some trouble.

We move at glacial pace usually.

I would start with how we use the bye round. I hope there isn’t any mid season trips planned.

 

[Jolls]

Well i think we should focus on core issues as ive mentioned.

I dont think Benji will be subject to any close scrutiny. That could be an issue atm.

How long do we give him?

I think we are in some trouble.

We move at glacial pace usually.

If the place is professionaly run the entire football department will get the once over - from physio supprt to head coach. It should also be done in a manner where everyone can speak their mind. Of course it needs to be done respectfully; but if done properly it is an excellent process.

I have been involved in some very productive and well run reviews and at the other end of the scale some poorly run ones - where people were afraid to speak as they were worried about their career. So it all depends on the environment that has been established in the place.

With Richo and Benji I get the feel that they would be open to ideas and justified criticism (well at least they speak that way). Given how small the organisation is change should be able to happen almost immediately if it is within the football department unless it is about hiring additional staff etc.

 

[SwervinMervin]

Until we start winning consistently like 4 or 5 wins in a row, not just every few weeks, then signing better players is more difficult. Hell even our juniors want out.

Our previous management put under developed juniors on top 30 contracts! How dumb is that?

ATM we are still that club that if you sign with us you are kissing representative honours goodbye.

Sign kiwi players and poms. They don’t care about SOO. And now, neither do I. Hope NSW gets pumped, Moses has a shocker and if Stef gets a run goes completely missing as per usual club land performances. Daley was a champion player but can’t coach or select the best squad for sh1t

 

[Vicious]

Is that Benji or players?

I was thinking in our case we can have;

Players deliberately not following Benji.
Players unable to, no skills, physical shortcomings, fear or whatever

Plus

benjis plan is effed anyway.

And we all know, someone innocent is going to be the scapegoat.

I have no idea who’s fault it is, but surely someone with Luai’s experience knows the plays we are currently coming with on the 5th tackle in attacking positions are absolute trash and he’s wearing the 7, he wanted to own the team, so he needs to fix it and fix it fast.
While on the topic of our 1.2 million dollar man, does he also realise a good number 7 runs the ball at least a few times per game ?
Nathan Clearly has never been content on passing the ball all game and not threatening to run the ball himself.

 

[Jolls]

I gave no idea who’s fault it is, but surely someone with Luai’s experience knows the plays we are currently coming with on the 5th tackle in attacking positions are absolute trash and he’s wearing the 7, he wanted to own the team, so he needs to fix it and fix it fast.
While on the topic of our 1.2 million dollar man, does he also realise a good number 7 runs the ball at least a few times per gam ?
Nathan Clearly has never been content on passing the ball all game and not threatening to run the ball himself.

I can't put my finger on it but there is something not right within the playing group. Not sure if it is the grind taking effect or a split in the group themselves. Line speed has dropped off, the scramble has dropped off and the coordination is lacking.

Surely nobody thinks that we train to have Bird, or any other numptie, at first receiver on the fifth. So how or why is the assignment being missed? Does Galvin have the primary kicking role but is struggling to execute it under pressure at NRL level?

We have players and coaching staff that understand what is required - and seriously it isn't that hard to show on a whiteboard or out on the training paddock. There is also no doubt in my mind that Benji and Co are capable of developing a simple game plan to focus our strenghts against a perceived oppostion weakness. So what is happening between the Captain's run and game time?

My gut feel is that we play much straighter in attack on the training paddock and our lateral running is resulting in players being out of postion, or assignments being missed. There is clearly an execution issue - it would be great to get to training and spend time watching how the Captain's run goes down and compare it to what is being executed so we can figure out where the issue lies.

Anyone in a postion to spy for the forum?

 

[TSP]

I gave no idea who’s fault it is, but surely someone with Luai’s experience knows the plays we are currently coming with on the 5th tackle in attacking positions are absolute trash and he’s wearing the 7, he wanted to own the team, so he needs to fix it and fix it fast.
While on the topic of our 1.2 million dollar man, does he also realise a good number 7 runs the ball at least a few times per gam ?
Nathan Clearly has never been content on passing the ball all game and not threatening to run the ball himself.

Yes, before his bad shoulder injury, Nate would run and contest absolutely everything. Youd see him dive on balls on the ground all the time and put himself in mortal danger.

i agree JL should be more much involved, but i get the impression he is expecting a lot more from his comrades.

But again, until we work out the coaching communication, player desire and ability quotient, we are wasting our time.

Id keep the review tight and focused on the key stakeholders.

And solutions of good intent. That could be tough for some though.

 

[cqtiger]

My guess in the dropping off in “effort and standards” is that quite a few players in the 30 man squad and others have been told they won’t be here next year so they are in caretaker mode and those in first grade know there is no pressure on them because of it so they are in second gear.