2019 Coaching saga -Thread

Wayne Collins and Kurt Wrigley were with him at Souths when he won the comp. Also i think the club and the game has high opinions of our current assistsnts so at least 1 or 2 will prob stay
 
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Wait a second I don't think anyone disagrees Ivan is the one who caused all this has no integrity left and will go down as the most despised Coach in our history…

Yet part of the strategy to keep him was an extension offered not yet deserved and that's good Management.. extraordinary lenghts indeed..

Yes I agree with this. Offering him an extension to test his motives.
Why couldn’t we just sit him down and talk to him straight, ‘look I know you want to go.
Is it imperative it’s right now or do you want to see out what you’ve started.
I’m happy to meet in the middle and let’s walk away with our reputation and dignity in check and call 2019 the final hurrah?’

You mean like professionals…where is the fun in that...agreed btw.

but lets try reverse pshyc..1st..
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I don't understand why you think that is more "professional". Do you think it was in the interests of the club to keep him for another 12 months if he wasn't in it for the long haul? When there were good coaching options available now that might not be available in 12 months time? When the whole squad were going to know he wanted out? I don't understand what purpose that would have served. A longer recruitment window doesn't necessarily mean you'll get a better result.

They're trying to achieve some long-term stability which is something this club has been lacking for a long time. A committed coach is a necessary component of that.
 
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Happy enough with the apparent outcome and assume that finalising things at the eleventh hour league season wise was all about obtaining some cash from Penrith. Expect that WT got half a million or so and if not, then the club has been had twice.

Officials at the club probably should have handled a few things a bit better, though plenty on here were wanting the mongrel bring his son and still hoodwinked by him for weeks after the debacle that he created surfaced.
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Please don't take this as me having a go at you personally. Your post just happens to be one of many saying the same thing.

I understand the sentiment, but what exactly could we have handled a bit better?

Our coach signed with another club behind our backs and went silent in the media. What would we have liked the club to do exactly? Attach cameras and GPS tracking equipment to our coach and players in case they run off and do what Cleary did?

Do we really want this guy hanging around anyway?
Do we think forcing someone to stay against their will is a good idea?
- Someone will pipe up and say "we are sending the wrong message"
- No actually, it's the right one. You're either with us, or against us. If you're against us, you can F off now!
Why do some think that management is responsible for this occurring?

My point is:

1\. This could not have been prevented - Nathan wanted to stay at Penrith and Ivan is doing what he wants to do, which is coach his son. It sucks for us, but this is the reality.

2\. No amount of "maneuvering" or chess-playing was going to help us in this situation - We had no currency. The best we had was threatening to not release Cleary, but all involved knew that if he signed for Penrith, we'd want him gone. That bluff was no bargaining chip in the scheme of things.

3\. As soon as it became clear what the situation was, Pascoe secured a premiership winning coach within weeks.

4\. Compensation - I don't know the real story here, but who cares? If we negotiated some, that wouldn't have been easy. If we didn't, I honestly wouldn't have expected Penrith to pay anything in the first place. Any compo is a MASSIVE bonus rather than a given in this situation.

5\. Potter, Taylor and Cleary were scrap heap coaches when they came to us. 2 of them still are. A premiership winning coach and a healthy salary cap is a good result considering what we've had to endure.

6\. Cleary is the one that looks like a dog in all of this.

7\. Most importantly…good riddance to that underhanded grub Cleary. We should all be breathing a sigh of relief that he isn't going to be here in 2019!
 
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Does anyone know when the coaching announcement will be made? it's looking like it won't be today.
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Probably disrespectful to do it before the Kiwis v England test match tonight .
 
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Happy enough with the apparent outcome and assume that finalising things at the eleventh hour league season wise was all about obtaining some cash from Penrith. Expect that WT got half a million or so and if not, then the club has been had twice.

Officials at the club probably should have handled a few things a bit better, though plenty on here were wanting the mongrel bring his son and still hoodwinked by him for weeks after the debacle that he created surfaced.

Please don't take this as me having a go at you personally. Your post just happens to be one of many saying the same thing.

I understand the sentiment, but what exactly could we have handled a bit better?

Our coach signed with another club behind our backs and went silent in the media. What would we have liked the club to do exactly? Attach cameras and GPS tracking equipment to our coach and players in case they run off and do what Cleary did?

Do we really want this guy hanging around anyway?
Do we think forcing someone to stay against their will is a good idea?
- Someone will pipe up and say "we are sending the wrong message"
- No actually, it's the right one. You're either with us, or against us. If you're against us, you can F off now!
Why do some think that management is responsible for this occurring?

My point is:

1\. This could not have been prevented - Nathan wanted to stay at Penrith and Ivan is doing what he wants to do, which is coach his son. It sucks for us, but this is the reality.

2\. No amount of "maneuvering" or chess-playing was going to help us in this situation - We had no currency. The best we had was threatening to not release Cleary, but all involved knew that if he signed for Penrith, we'd want him gone. That bluff was no bargaining chip in the scheme of things.

3\. As soon as it became clear what the situation was, Pascoe secured a premiership winning coach within weeks.

4\. Compensation - I don't know the real story here, but who cares? If we negotiated some, that wouldn't have been easy. If we didn't, I honestly wouldn't have expected Penrith to pay anything in the first place. Any compo is a MASSIVE bonus rather than a given in this situation.

5\. Potter, Taylor and Cleary were scrap heap coaches when they came to us. 2 of them still are. A premiership winning coach and a healthy salary cap is a good result considering what we've had to endure.

6\. Cleary is the one that looks like a dog in all of this.

7\. Most importantly…good riddance to that underhanded grub Cleary. We should all be breathing a sigh of relief that he isn't going to be here in 2019!
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Good post.

I suspect that those saying the club should have done better is either frustrated or has truly has little idea. I personally thought Pascoe has handled this exceptionally well given he essentially had NOTHING to work with. It wasn't a decision by the club or anyone other than Cleary, Gould and others.

On the side, I wonder if Gould knows Cleary is coming yet? As he said repeatedly, he was not involved in any of it. Really? I wonder when they are going to tell him?
 
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Penrith, and Gus got exactly what they wanted, we were perfectly outplayed by them, and how you could say that we never got shafted by them is beyond belief,

Five year deal if speculation is correct?
I dont think they wanted that….no one wants that.
Except coaches/players
Looks like the Clearys got exactly what they wanted

That said, this all puts all our seasons a bit behind the pack with a new coach coming in after the start of pre season

All about "the Clearys" happy for Penrith to deal with it. Lets see how long before Gus loses it over the club being all about the Clearys.

Gus will get the sack from Penrith before the Cleary’s do.
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Whats the odds on Gus being the first coach sacked next year!
 
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Five year deal if speculation is correct?
I dont think they wanted that….no one wants that.
Except coaches/players
Looks like the Clearys got exactly what they wanted

That said, this all puts all our seasons a bit behind the pack with a new coach coming in after the start of pre season

All about "the Clearys" happy for Penrith to deal with it. Lets see how long before Gus loses it over the club being all about the Clearys.

Gus will get the sack from Penrith before the Cleary’s do.

Whats the odds on Gus being the first coach sacked next year!
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The big fat fool has been very quite of late, guess he got what he wanted and has a big smirk on his face. Fingers crossed the Riff have a terrible year…make that a terrible decade
 
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