Coronavirus Outbreak

[Hangonaminute]

There's no way in the world I will ever use this tracking app.

Legally, access to the data is a free for all for law enforcement agencies.

A "nah they won't" at a press conference isn't good enough for me.


??what a crack up ... I am sure you think your under the radar .. reality is they now everything about you and know exactly where you are and what you are purchasing. Do people really think they have privacy anymore ! There are more apps running on your phone now that track all your movements and thoughts ?

So if they know all that already, why do we need to download the app?

It will help capture those cases of Covid19 where the source is unknown. All the app does is note who you have been near. It doesn’t track where you have been or anything else for that matter.

So if someone you have been near tests positive to Covid19 health care can let you know that you have been in proximity of the virus. If you test positive for Covid19 health care can let those people you have been near know that they have been in close proximity of the virus.

Pretty straight forward really.

How can they know who I've been near if they don't track where I've been?

If you don't know where I've been, then you don't know where I've been, so you can't know who I've been near.

Seriously? it stores the phone number of anyone you have been in close contact with for 15 minutes.

When was the last time (during this circus) that you spent 15mins within 1.5m of a total stranger?
This app is a joke

You do realise that the app is for when restrictions are lifted? Try reading before making uninformed comments.

I don’t think the issue is the government having your info , as , they already do .
The real issue is how , when , why , what , has access to this data , moving forward , as it’s totally within the realms of possibility that they on sell it to someone you don’t want to have your data. (Already proven your have happened , by governments and large social media giants like Facebook).
Maybe you don’t want to be belt fed Oporto ads , as , you get a chicken salad every day . Or you have something embarrassing like erectile dysfunction, and the algorithm ran in the background whilst you were having a conversation, and now youre seeing those ads.

**Or more nefariously , your data has been bought by “Shell Corp” which is a shell for a shell for a shell for the Russian government , that’s now belt feeding you negative articles on your favourite social media platform , reinforcing what ever political agenda you may have , to influence you sub-consciously moving forward, to rig elections , change political movements , begin polical movements , sway society etc.**

It’s extremely naive to call someone naive , about being careful about who and what has access to your data.
All of what I just said isn’t conspiracy nonsense by the way .
It literally was exposed when Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon got elected . Wiki leaks has large sections about it . All companies on sell your data to whoever is willing to pay whatever price .
Sam Harris has at least 4 podcasts dedicated to this on his Waking Up podcast . He’s a neuroscientist by the way , not a conspiracy nut .

I know this is a little off course but to reply to your statement

Of course you have to be willing to read something you were not searching for in the first place or be easily led by what you read
Some people read articles with an open mind
Some people have a pre conceived idea and won't be swayed
We all have minds of our own and should make decisions based on how they effect us
And we shouldn't always take what we read as truth either

If something is that important to an individual then that individual should really research that subject on their own accord without being led astray with pop up adds or re directions because that is who your data has been sold to

I don't know about you but I am not easily led astray
But I can see how someone's Data can be used to direct them in a certain direction
Most of those people tend to be either gullible or just followers

Mate it’s not about that. That’s the thing. It’s not about changing your ideas , to believe in theirs , it’s about destabilising the society and creating division by repeatedly reinforcing negativity , by hammering home each persons own Echo chamber , to then begin to slowly plant ideas , that don’t seem at all unreasonable.

The reality is i don’t need to prove anything. Do some research on the facebook inquest in front of congress last year. You may think your immune , but how do you know anything you read is truth, it could all be a huge lie. (I don’t believe that just hypothetically speaking)

I don't have Facebook
In fact this forum is the only social media site I use and participate in
I am so against Facebook and all the other similar sights as I have personally seen what these can do to families and friends
People put way to much personal information on for the world to see and that is dangerous for many reasons
And that there is the problem
Use these sites wisely because you just don't know who is looking
I see this covid tracking app as something completely different
It is there to help protect us as individuals and as a nation 1st and foremost
If it's used for matters other then those intended then I / We can deal with that later.
Delete it
Change your phone number
Simply don't read the garbage
What ever it takes
The fact is no one can force someone to read an article
That choice is yours to make
It is also your choice whether you believe it or not
If people want to protect themselves from social media
Simple
Don't use it

I hate to say this but if you are using any electronic form of payment, ie Credit or Debit card then you are being tracked. When, where and what you purchased. If you have any parcels delivered to you, you are tracked. There are many more scenarios that have nothing todo with social media. There is no escape, you will be on many databases. You simply cannot live off the grid by default in 2020.

No you can't because data has become a commodity and everyone who has any information about you on sells it. The algorithms that google, facebook etc use to gather information about you and then on sell that information or use it to target advertising and articles to you are a concern though. I don't use facebook etc, not only because of the data they collect but I don't see them as essential. I also got over people I hadn't spoken to in 10 years contacting me, if I haven't spoken to you in 10 years, there is probably a reason for that. I had facebook until they stopped allowing you to be unsearchable.

Exactly. If you connect to the Internet you are being tracked. If you use a Google search you are being tracked. If you use Gas or Electricity you are being tracked. For anyone to think other wise is naive. Not a great fan of Facebook myself for the reasons you stated but I still use it. I have family and friends in far away places and it is a pretty good way to connect and keep in contact. It even manages to give my a laugh sometimes “BIN Isolation” anyone? There is still a wealth of information available through it to make it worth while for me, for now.

So if we're already being tracked by all these things, why does the government need us to download their useless app?

 

[Cairnstigers]

There's no way in the world I will ever use this tracking app.

Legally, access to the data is a free for all for law enforcement agencies.

A "nah they won't" at a press conference isn't good enough for me.


??what a crack up ... I am sure you think your under the radar .. reality is they now everything about you and know exactly where you are and what you are purchasing. Do people really think they have privacy anymore ! There are more apps running on your phone now that track all your movements and thoughts ?

So if they know all that already, why do we need to download the app?

It will help capture those cases of Covid19 where the source is unknown. All the app does is note who you have been near. It doesn’t track where you have been or anything else for that matter.

So if someone you have been near tests positive to Covid19 health care can let you know that you have been in proximity of the virus. If you test positive for Covid19 health care can let those people you have been near know that they have been in close proximity of the virus.

Pretty straight forward really.

How can they know who I've been near if they don't track where I've been?

If you don't know where I've been, then you don't know where I've been, so you can't know who I've been near.

Seriously? it stores the phone number of anyone you have been in close contact with for 15 minutes.

When was the last time (during this circus) that you spent 15mins within 1.5m of a total stranger?
This app is a joke

You do realise that the app is for when restrictions are lifted? Try reading before making uninformed comments.

I don’t think the issue is the government having your info , as , they already do .
The real issue is how , when , why , what , has access to this data , moving forward , as it’s totally within the realms of possibility that they on sell it to someone you don’t want to have your data. (Already proven your have happened , by governments and large social media giants like Facebook).
Maybe you don’t want to be belt fed Oporto ads , as , you get a chicken salad every day . Or you have something embarrassing like erectile dysfunction, and the algorithm ran in the background whilst you were having a conversation, and now youre seeing those ads.

**Or more nefariously , your data has been bought by “Shell Corp” which is a shell for a shell for a shell for the Russian government , that’s now belt feeding you negative articles on your favourite social media platform , reinforcing what ever political agenda you may have , to influence you sub-consciously moving forward, to rig elections , change political movements , begin polical movements , sway society etc.**

It’s extremely naive to call someone naive , about being careful about who and what has access to your data.
All of what I just said isn’t conspiracy nonsense by the way .
It literally was exposed when Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon got elected . Wiki leaks has large sections about it . All companies on sell your data to whoever is willing to pay whatever price .
Sam Harris has at least 4 podcasts dedicated to this on his Waking Up podcast . He’s a neuroscientist by the way , not a conspiracy nut .

I know this is a little off course but to reply to your statement

Of course you have to be willing to read something you were not searching for in the first place or be easily led by what you read
Some people read articles with an open mind
Some people have a pre conceived idea and won't be swayed
We all have minds of our own and should make decisions based on how they effect us
And we shouldn't always take what we read as truth either

If something is that important to an individual then that individual should really research that subject on their own accord without being led astray with pop up adds or re directions because that is who your data has been sold to

I don't know about you but I am not easily led astray
But I can see how someone's Data can be used to direct them in a certain direction
Most of those people tend to be either gullible or just followers

Mate it’s not about that. That’s the thing. It’s not about changing your ideas , to believe in theirs , it’s about destabilising the society and creating division by repeatedly reinforcing negativity , by hammering home each persons own Echo chamber , to then begin to slowly plant ideas , that don’t seem at all unreasonable.

The reality is i don’t need to prove anything. Do some research on the facebook inquest in front of congress last year. You may think your immune , but how do you know anything you read is truth, it could all be a huge lie. (I don’t believe that just hypothetically speaking)

I don't have Facebook
In fact this forum is the only social media site I use and participate in
I am so against Facebook and all the other similar sights as I have personally seen what these can do to families and friends
People put way to much personal information on for the world to see and that is dangerous for many reasons
And that there is the problem
Use these sites wisely because you just don't know who is looking
I see this covid tracking app as something completely different
It is there to help protect us as individuals and as a nation 1st and foremost
If it's used for matters other then those intended then I / We can deal with that later.
Delete it
Change your phone number
Simply don't read the garbage
What ever it takes
The fact is no one can force someone to read an article
That choice is yours to make
It is also your choice whether you believe it or not
If people want to protect themselves from social media
Simple
Don't use it


You’re looking at it , as a social media issue , it’s not even the case . It’s a data collection issue . It doesn’t matter where that data comes from , someone will pay a premium for it . Facebook was an example that’s out there for all to see . It could be the Pokémon go app you play with your kids . Or the Iconic app you buy your clothes from . Or the real estate app you use to buy a house . Etc. Unless you go into every single app and see which trackers are on , you’re not going to know . Even with the way the trackers are named , you don’t know which one does what .
You can view it however you want . You could call it the Care Bears hugathon cuddle app , and it doesn’t change the fact that it collects data on you and then , they openly use that data to formulate a database , to suit a certain gain. Like I said , many governments have been caught imbedding trackers in apps and places they shouldn’t . Sometimes it’s international espionage, other times it’s your own government.
It’s kind of irrelevant . You shouldn’t smash someone up for saying , you know what I’m just not going to participate. It’s their choice and IT IS a privacy issue . It just is .

I'm not smashing anyone
It is a choice we all need to make I totally agree
We all need to weigh up the pro's and con's
I feel comfortable with my descision
The decisions that others make is totally up to them

This app is not compulsory so it allows us to make that choice

 

[mike]

There's no way in the world I will ever use this tracking app.

Legally, access to the data is a free for all for law enforcement agencies.

A "nah they won't" at a press conference isn't good enough for me.


??what a crack up ... I am sure you think your under the radar .. reality is they now everything about you and know exactly where you are and what you are purchasing. Do people really think they have privacy anymore ! There are more apps running on your phone now that track all your movements and thoughts ?

So if they know all that already, why do we need to download the app?

It will help capture those cases of Covid19 where the source is unknown. All the app does is note who you have been near. It doesn’t track where you have been or anything else for that matter.

So if someone you have been near tests positive to Covid19 health care can let you know that you have been in proximity of the virus. If you test positive for Covid19 health care can let those people you have been near know that they have been in close proximity of the virus.

Pretty straight forward really.

How can they know who I've been near if they don't track where I've been?

If you don't know where I've been, then you don't know where I've been, so you can't know who I've been near.

Seriously? it stores the phone number of anyone you have been in close contact with for 15 minutes.

When was the last time (during this circus) that you spent 15mins within 1.5m of a total stranger?
This app is a joke

You do realise that the app is for when restrictions are lifted? Try reading before making uninformed comments.

I don’t think the issue is the government having your info , as , they already do .
The real issue is how , when , why , what , has access to this data , moving forward , as it’s totally within the realms of possibility that they on sell it to someone you don’t want to have your data. (Already proven your have happened , by governments and large social media giants like Facebook).
Maybe you don’t want to be belt fed Oporto ads , as , you get a chicken salad every day . Or you have something embarrassing like erectile dysfunction, and the algorithm ran in the background whilst you were having a conversation, and now youre seeing those ads.

**Or more nefariously , your data has been bought by “Shell Corp” which is a shell for a shell for a shell for the Russian government , that’s now belt feeding you negative articles on your favourite social media platform , reinforcing what ever political agenda you may have , to influence you sub-consciously moving forward, to rig elections , change political movements , begin polical movements , sway society etc.**

It’s extremely naive to call someone naive , about being careful about who and what has access to your data.
All of what I just said isn’t conspiracy nonsense by the way .
It literally was exposed when Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon got elected . Wiki leaks has large sections about it . All companies on sell your data to whoever is willing to pay whatever price .
Sam Harris has at least 4 podcasts dedicated to this on his Waking Up podcast . He’s a neuroscientist by the way , not a conspiracy nut .

I know this is a little off course but to reply to your statement

Of course you have to be willing to read something you were not searching for in the first place or be easily led by what you read
Some people read articles with an open mind
Some people have a pre conceived idea and won't be swayed
We all have minds of our own and should make decisions based on how they effect us
And we shouldn't always take what we read as truth either

If something is that important to an individual then that individual should really research that subject on their own accord without being led astray with pop up adds or re directions because that is who your data has been sold to

I don't know about you but I am not easily led astray
But I can see how someone's Data can be used to direct them in a certain direction
Most of those people tend to be either gullible or just followers

Mate it’s not about that. That’s the thing. It’s not about changing your ideas , to believe in theirs , it’s about destabilising the society and creating division by repeatedly reinforcing negativity , by hammering home each persons own Echo chamber , to then begin to slowly plant ideas , that don’t seem at all unreasonable.

The reality is i don’t need to prove anything. Do some research on the facebook inquest in front of congress last year. You may think your immune , but how do you know anything you read is truth, it could all be a huge lie. (I don’t believe that just hypothetically speaking)

I don't have Facebook
In fact this forum is the only social media site I use and participate in
I am so against Facebook and all the other similar sights as I have personally seen what these can do to families and friends
People put way to much personal information on for the world to see and that is dangerous for many reasons
And that there is the problem
Use these sites wisely because you just don't know who is looking
I see this covid tracking app as something completely different
It is there to help protect us as individuals and as a nation 1st and foremost
If it's used for matters other then those intended then I / We can deal with that later.
Delete it
Change your phone number
Simply don't read the garbage
What ever it takes
The fact is no one can force someone to read an article
That choice is yours to make
It is also your choice whether you believe it or not
If people want to protect themselves from social media
Simple
Don't use it

I hate to say this but if you are using any electronic form of payment, ie Credit or Debit card then you are being tracked. When, where and what you purchased. If you have any parcels delivered to you, you are tracked. There are many more scenarios that have nothing todo with social media. There is no escape, you will be on many databases. You simply cannot live off the grid by default in 2020.

No you can't because data has become a commodity and everyone who has any information about you on sells it. The algorithms that google, facebook etc use to gather information about you and then on sell that information or use it to target advertising and articles to you are a concern though. I don't use facebook etc, not only because of the data they collect but I don't see them as essential. I also got over people I hadn't spoken to in 10 years contacting me, if I haven't spoken to you in 10 years, there is probably a reason for that. I had facebook until they stopped allowing you to be unsearchable.

Exactly. If you connect to the Internet you are being tracked. If you use a Google search you are being tracked. If you use Gas or Electricity you are being tracked. For anyone to think other wise is naive. Not a great fan of Facebook myself for the reasons you stated but I still use it. I have family and friends in far away places and it is a pretty good way to connect and keep in contact. It even manages to give my a laugh sometimes “BIN Isolation” anyone? There is still a wealth of information available through it to make it worth while for me, for now.

So if we're already being tracked by all these things, why does the government need us to download their useless app?

You know why. It’s a stupid question.

 

[happy_tiger]

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/coronavirus/young-women-catching-covid-19-more-than-any-other-group-in-nsw/ar-BB13i892?ocid=ASUDHP

I would have thought that perhaps one of the reasons behind this is would be that many nurses are in this age group .....

 

[cochise]

There's no way in the world I will ever use this tracking app.

Legally, access to the data is a free for all for law enforcement agencies.

A "nah they won't" at a press conference isn't good enough for me.


??what a crack up ... I am sure you think your under the radar .. reality is they now everything about you and know exactly where you are and what you are purchasing. Do people really think they have privacy anymore ! There are more apps running on your phone now that track all your movements and thoughts ?

So if they know all that already, why do we need to download the app?

It will help capture those cases of Covid19 where the source is unknown. All the app does is note who you have been near. It doesn’t track where you have been or anything else for that matter.

So if someone you have been near tests positive to Covid19 health care can let you know that you have been in proximity of the virus. If you test positive for Covid19 health care can let those people you have been near know that they have been in close proximity of the virus.

Pretty straight forward really.

How can they know who I've been near if they don't track where I've been?

If you don't know where I've been, then you don't know where I've been, so you can't know who I've been near.

Seriously? it stores the phone number of anyone you have been in close contact with for 15 minutes.

When was the last time (during this circus) that you spent 15mins within 1.5m of a total stranger?
This app is a joke

You do realise that the app is for when restrictions are lifted? Try reading before making uninformed comments.

I don’t think the issue is the government having your info , as , they already do .
The real issue is how , when , why , what , has access to this data , moving forward , as it’s totally within the realms of possibility that they on sell it to someone you don’t want to have your data. (Already proven your have happened , by governments and large social media giants like Facebook).
Maybe you don’t want to be belt fed Oporto ads , as , you get a chicken salad every day . Or you have something embarrassing like erectile dysfunction, and the algorithm ran in the background whilst you were having a conversation, and now youre seeing those ads.

**Or more nefariously , your data has been bought by “Shell Corp” which is a shell for a shell for a shell for the Russian government , that’s now belt feeding you negative articles on your favourite social media platform , reinforcing what ever political agenda you may have , to influence you sub-consciously moving forward, to rig elections , change political movements , begin polical movements , sway society etc.**

It’s extremely naive to call someone naive , about being careful about who and what has access to your data.
All of what I just said isn’t conspiracy nonsense by the way .
It literally was exposed when Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon got elected . Wiki leaks has large sections about it . All companies on sell your data to whoever is willing to pay whatever price .
Sam Harris has at least 4 podcasts dedicated to this on his Waking Up podcast . He’s a neuroscientist by the way , not a conspiracy nut .

I know this is a little off course but to reply to your statement

Of course you have to be willing to read something you were not searching for in the first place or be easily led by what you read
Some people read articles with an open mind
Some people have a pre conceived idea and won't be swayed
We all have minds of our own and should make decisions based on how they effect us
And we shouldn't always take what we read as truth either

If something is that important to an individual then that individual should really research that subject on their own accord without being led astray with pop up adds or re directions because that is who your data has been sold to

I don't know about you but I am not easily led astray
But I can see how someone's Data can be used to direct them in a certain direction
Most of those people tend to be either gullible or just followers

Mate it’s not about that. That’s the thing. It’s not about changing your ideas , to believe in theirs , it’s about destabilising the society and creating division by repeatedly reinforcing negativity , by hammering home each persons own Echo chamber , to then begin to slowly plant ideas , that don’t seem at all unreasonable.

The reality is i don’t need to prove anything. Do some research on the facebook inquest in front of congress last year. You may think your immune , but how do you know anything you read is truth, it could all be a huge lie. (I don’t believe that just hypothetically speaking)

I don't have Facebook
In fact this forum is the only social media site I use and participate in
I am so against Facebook and all the other similar sights as I have personally seen what these can do to families and friends
People put way to much personal information on for the world to see and that is dangerous for many reasons
And that there is the problem
Use these sites wisely because you just don't know who is looking
I see this covid tracking app as something completely different
It is there to help protect us as individuals and as a nation 1st and foremost
If it's used for matters other then those intended then I / We can deal with that later.
Delete it
Change your phone number
Simply don't read the garbage
What ever it takes
The fact is no one can force someone to read an article
That choice is yours to make
It is also your choice whether you believe it or not
If people want to protect themselves from social media
Simple
Don't use it

I hate to say this but if you are using any electronic form of payment, ie Credit or Debit card then you are being tracked. When, where and what you purchased. If you have any parcels delivered to you, you are tracked. There are many more scenarios that have nothing todo with social media. There is no escape, you will be on many databases. You simply cannot live off the grid by default in 2020.

No you can't because data has become a commodity and everyone who has any information about you on sells it. The algorithms that google, facebook etc use to gather information about you and then on sell that information or use it to target advertising and articles to you are a concern though. I don't use facebook etc, not only because of the data they collect but I don't see them as essential. I also got over people I hadn't spoken to in 10 years contacting me, if I haven't spoken to you in 10 years, there is probably a reason for that. I had facebook until they stopped allowing you to be unsearchable.

Exactly. If you connect to the Internet you are being tracked. If you use a Google search you are being tracked. If you use Gas or Electricity you are being tracked. For anyone to think other wise is naive. Not a great fan of Facebook myself for the reasons you stated but I still use it. I have family and friends in far away places and it is a pretty good way to connect and keep in contact. It even manages to give my a laugh sometimes “BIN Isolation” anyone? There is still a wealth of information available through it to make it worth while for me, for now.

I do have issues with how they target what you are seeing based of the data they have about you though, they do set out to create an echo chamber to only have you see things you already agree with. In saying that, most people would still seek out the information that confirms their bias anyway, but facebook takes that to a much greater level and puts the information that confirms your bias right under your nose.

 

[cochise]

2 frontline Doctors who have dealt with over 5000 covid19 patients say the prevention measures should be lifted and lockdowns have minimal benefits.

https://www.kusi.com/dr-daniel-erickson-push-to-lift-california-stay-at-home-orders-because-lockdowns-have-minimal-benefits/

2 doctors? I'd rather listen to our CMO's to be honest. If the restrictions don't work what exactly is it that caused our numbers to drop significantly once they were introduced?

 

[Nelson]

2 frontline Doctors who have dealt with over 5000 covid19 patients say the prevention measures should be lifted and lockdowns have minimal benefits.

https://www.kusi.com/dr-daniel-erickson-push-to-lift-california-stay-at-home-orders-because-lockdowns-have-minimal-benefits/

2 doctors? I'd rather listen to our CMO's to be honest. If the restrictions don't work what exactly is it that caused our numbers to drop significantly once they were introduced?

He'd rather listen to a couple of random GP's because they reinforce his pre-existing belief.

 

[tigger]

There's no way in the world I will ever use this tracking app.

Legally, access to the data is a free for all for law enforcement agencies.

A "nah they won't" at a press conference isn't good enough for me.


??what a crack up ... I am sure you think your under the radar .. reality is they now everything about you and know exactly where you are and what you are purchasing. Do people really think they have privacy anymore ! There are more apps running on your phone now that track all your movements and thoughts ?

So if they know all that already, why do we need to download the app?

It will help capture those cases of Covid19 where the source is unknown. All the app does is note who you have been near. It doesn’t track where you have been or anything else for that matter.

So if someone you have been near tests positive to Covid19 health care can let you know that you have been in proximity of the virus. If you test positive for Covid19 health care can let those people you have been near know that they have been in close proximity of the virus.

Pretty straight forward really.

How can they know who I've been near if they don't track where I've been?

If you don't know where I've been, then you don't know where I've been, so you can't know who I've been near.

Seriously? it stores the phone number of anyone you have been in close contact with for 15 minutes.

When was the last time (during this circus) that you spent 15mins within 1.5m of a total stranger?
This app is a joke

You do realise that the app is for when restrictions are lifted? Try reading before making uninformed comments.

I don’t think the issue is the government having your info , as , they already do .
The real issue is how , when , why , what , has access to this data , moving forward , as it’s totally within the realms of possibility that they on sell it to someone you don’t want to have your data. (Already proven your have happened , by governments and large social media giants like Facebook).
Maybe you don’t want to be belt fed Oporto ads , as , you get a chicken salad every day . Or you have something embarrassing like erectile dysfunction, and the algorithm ran in the background whilst you were having a conversation, and now youre seeing those ads.

**Or more nefariously , your data has been bought by “Shell Corp” which is a shell for a shell for a shell for the Russian government , that’s now belt feeding you negative articles on your favourite social media platform , reinforcing what ever political agenda you may have , to influence you sub-consciously moving forward, to rig elections , change political movements , begin polical movements , sway society etc.**

It’s extremely naive to call someone naive , about being careful about who and what has access to your data.
All of what I just said isn’t conspiracy nonsense by the way .
It literally was exposed when Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon got elected . Wiki leaks has large sections about it . All companies on sell your data to whoever is willing to pay whatever price .
Sam Harris has at least 4 podcasts dedicated to this on his Waking Up podcast . He’s a neuroscientist by the way , not a conspiracy nut .

I know this is a little off course but to reply to your statement

Of course you have to be willing to read something you were not searching for in the first place or be easily led by what you read
Some people read articles with an open mind
Some people have a pre conceived idea and won't be swayed
We all have minds of our own and should make decisions based on how they effect us
And we shouldn't always take what we read as truth either

If something is that important to an individual then that individual should really research that subject on their own accord without being led astray with pop up adds or re directions because that is who your data has been sold to

I don't know about you but I am not easily led astray
But I can see how someone's Data can be used to direct them in a certain direction
Most of those people tend to be either gullible or just followers

Mate it’s not about that. That’s the thing. It’s not about changing your ideas , to believe in theirs , it’s about destabilising the society and creating division by repeatedly reinforcing negativity , by hammering home each persons own Echo chamber , to then begin to slowly plant ideas , that don’t seem at all unreasonable.

The reality is i don’t need to prove anything. Do some research on the facebook inquest in front of congress last year. You may think your immune , but how do you know anything you read is truth, it could all be a huge lie. (I don’t believe that just hypothetically speaking)

I don't have Facebook
In fact this forum is the only social media site I use and participate in
I am so against Facebook and all the other similar sights as I have personally seen what these can do to families and friends
People put way to much personal information on for the world to see and that is dangerous for many reasons
And that there is the problem
Use these sites wisely because you just don't know who is looking
I see this covid tracking app as something completely different
It is there to help protect us as individuals and as a nation 1st and foremost
If it's used for matters other then those intended then I / We can deal with that later.
Delete it
Change your phone number
Simply don't read the garbage
What ever it takes
The fact is no one can force someone to read an article
That choice is yours to make
It is also your choice whether you believe it or not
If people want to protect themselves from social media
Simple
Don't use it


You’re looking at it , as a social media issue , it’s not even the case . It’s a data collection issue . It doesn’t matter where that data comes from , someone will pay a premium for it . Facebook was an example that’s out there for all to see . It could be the Pokémon go app you play with your kids . Or the Iconic app you buy your clothes from . Or the real estate app you use to buy a house . Etc. Unless you go into every single app and see which trackers are on , you’re not going to know . Even with the way the trackers are named , you don’t know which one does what .
You can view it however you want . You could call it the Care Bears hugathon cuddle app , and it doesn’t change the fact that it collects data on you and then , they openly use that data to formulate a database , to suit a certain gain. Like I said , many governments have been caught imbedding trackers in apps and places they shouldn’t . Sometimes it’s international espionage, other times it’s your own government.
It’s kind of irrelevant . You shouldn’t smash someone up for saying , you know what I’m just not going to participate. It’s their choice and IT IS a privacy issue . It just is .

Yep. If you're not paying to use that app, it's probably because you're the product.
I do feel though, that in relation to Covid-safe, the issues are a little different and the potential upside to using it is far greater than the potential downside.
However we each have to make our own call on that, don't we?

 

[dazza65]

So the governments projection model was out by over 300x, and these are the same people where relying on to lift this social distancing and get the country going again.

Mate, Australia and NZ are about the luckiest countries on earth. We dodged a bullet - does NOT mean it was overhyped. Just in the last 24 hours alone there have been almost 80,000 new cases worldwide. And that's just officially documented ones. Of course the death toll in poorer countries is many multiples of official figures - have a read about Ecuador for example.

Even wealthy, developed countries have had their health systems pushed to the brink.

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[cochise]

So the governments projection model was out by over 300x, and these are the same people where relying on to lift this social distancing and get the country going again.

Mate, Australia and NZ are about the luckiest countries on earth. We dodged a bullet - does NOT mean it was overhyped. Just in the last 24 hours alone there have been almost 80,000 new cases worldwide. And that's just officially documented ones. Of course the death toll in poorer countries is many multiples of official figures - have a read about Ecuador for example.

Even wealthy, developed countries have had their health systems pushed to the brink.

If you believed the restrictions were an overreaction why would you believe they made an difference. This is just his line of thinking about this issue, nothing new here.

 

[DallasD]

2 frontline Doctors who have dealt with over 5000 covid19 patients say the prevention measures should be lifted and lockdowns have minimal benefits.

https://www.kusi.com/dr-daniel-erickson-push-to-lift-california-stay-at-home-orders-because-lockdowns-have-minimal-benefits/

https://www.acep.org/corona/COVID-19/covid-19-articles/acep-aaem-joint-statement-on-physician-misinformation/

I know who I’d rather believe

 

[Tiger5150]

2 frontline Doctors who have dealt with over 5000 covid19 patients say the prevention measures should be lifted and lockdowns have minimal benefits.

https://www.kusi.com/dr-daniel-erickson-push-to-lift-california-stay-at-home-orders-because-lockdowns-have-minimal-benefits/

https://www.acep.org/corona/COVID-19/covid-19-articles/acep-aaem-joint-statement-on-physician-misinformation/

I know who I’d rather believe

Further credible takedown of the two Doctors

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYQJSobQgAc

 

[Deleted member 3518]

There's no way in the world I will ever use this tracking app.

Legally, access to the data is a free for all for law enforcement agencies.

A "nah they won't" at a press conference isn't good enough for me.


??what a crack up ... I am sure you think your under the radar .. reality is they now everything about you and know exactly where you are and what you are purchasing. Do people really think they have privacy anymore ! There are more apps running on your phone now that track all your movements and thoughts ?

So if they know all that already, why do we need to download the app?

It will help capture those cases of Covid19 where the source is unknown. All the app does is note who you have been near. It doesn’t track where you have been or anything else for that matter.

So if someone you have been near tests positive to Covid19 health care can let you know that you have been in proximity of the virus. If you test positive for Covid19 health care can let those people you have been near know that they have been in close proximity of the virus.

Pretty straight forward really.

How can they know who I've been near if they don't track where I've been?

If you don't know where I've been, then you don't know where I've been, so you can't know who I've been near.

Seriously? it stores the phone number of anyone you have been in close contact with for 15 minutes.

When was the last time (during this circus) that you spent 15mins within 1.5m of a total stranger?
This app is a joke

You do realise that the app is for when restrictions are lifted? Try reading before making uninformed comments.

I don’t think the issue is the government having your info , as , they already do .
The real issue is how , when , why , what , has access to this data , moving forward , as it’s totally within the realms of possibility that they on sell it to someone you don’t want to have your data. (Already proven your have happened , by governments and large social media giants like Facebook).
Maybe you don’t want to be belt fed Oporto ads , as , you get a chicken salad every day . Or you have something embarrassing like erectile dysfunction, and the algorithm ran in the background whilst you were having a conversation, and now youre seeing those ads.

**Or more nefariously , your data has been bought by “Shell Corp” which is a shell for a shell for a shell for the Russian government , that’s now belt feeding you negative articles on your favourite social media platform , reinforcing what ever political agenda you may have , to influence you sub-consciously moving forward, to rig elections , change political movements , begin polical movements , sway society etc.**

It’s extremely naive to call someone naive , about being careful about who and what has access to your data.
All of what I just said isn’t conspiracy nonsense by the way .
It literally was exposed when Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon got elected . Wiki leaks has large sections about it . All companies on sell your data to whoever is willing to pay whatever price .
Sam Harris has at least 4 podcasts dedicated to this on his Waking Up podcast . He’s a neuroscientist by the way , not a conspiracy nut .

I know this is a little off course but to reply to your statement

Of course you have to be willing to read something you were not searching for in the first place or be easily led by what you read
Some people read articles with an open mind
Some people have a pre conceived idea and won't be swayed
We all have minds of our own and should make decisions based on how they effect us
And we shouldn't always take what we read as truth either

If something is that important to an individual then that individual should really research that subject on their own accord without being led astray with pop up adds or re directions because that is who your data has been sold to

I don't know about you but I am not easily led astray
But I can see how someone's Data can be used to direct them in a certain direction
Most of those people tend to be either gullible or just followers

Mate it’s not about that. That’s the thing. It’s not about changing your ideas , to believe in theirs , it’s about destabilising the society and creating division by repeatedly reinforcing negativity , by hammering home each persons own Echo chamber , to then begin to slowly plant ideas , that don’t seem at all unreasonable.

The reality is i don’t need to prove anything. Do some research on the facebook inquest in front of congress last year. You may think your immune , but how do you know anything you read is truth, it could all be a huge lie. (I don’t believe that just hypothetically speaking)

I don't have Facebook
In fact this forum is the only social media site I use and participate in
I am so against Facebook and all the other similar sights as I have personally seen what these can do to families and friends
People put way to much personal information on for the world to see and that is dangerous for many reasons
And that there is the problem
Use these sites wisely because you just don't know who is looking
I see this covid tracking app as something completely different
It is there to help protect us as individuals and as a nation 1st and foremost
If it's used for matters other then those intended then I / We can deal with that later.
Delete it
Change your phone number
Simply don't read the garbage
What ever it takes
The fact is no one can force someone to read an article
That choice is yours to make
It is also your choice whether you believe it or not
If people want to protect themselves from social media
Simple
Don't use it


You’re looking at it , as a social media issue , it’s not even the case . It’s a data collection issue . It doesn’t matter where that data comes from , someone will pay a premium for it . Facebook was an example that’s out there for all to see . It could be the Pokémon go app you play with your kids . Or the Iconic app you buy your clothes from . Or the real estate app you use to buy a house . Etc. Unless you go into every single app and see which trackers are on , you’re not going to know . Even with the way the trackers are named , you don’t know which one does what .
You can view it however you want . You could call it the Care Bears hugathon cuddle app , and it doesn’t change the fact that it collects data on you and then , they openly use that data to formulate a database , to suit a certain gain. Like I said , many governments have been caught imbedding trackers in apps and places they shouldn’t . Sometimes it’s international espionage, other times it’s your own government.
It’s kind of irrelevant . You shouldn’t smash someone up for saying , you know what I’m just not going to participate. It’s their choice and IT IS a privacy issue . It just is .

We have been disagreeing on a lot of issues around covid 19 but this is a spot on post mate.

Yea , maybe , I felt like a lot of that was miscommunication because of the medium we are using and how unless you use emojis , it’s hard to get context , nuance and emotion you’re trying to convey . I felt like my message was received in the end . Took a while though .

The topic about the app , I feel like is totally discretionary. Just make sure you’re well informed , as data mining is the new frontier for a lot of these big business.
There’s Some shady dudes in politics , Willing to do anything for personal gain . Anyone who has the “my government will look after me “ when it comes to DATA! needs to see how that’s barely , if at all accurate . Like I’ve said It’s all laid to bare with the Facebook inquest at congress. It just got lost in the 24/7 news cycle last year

 

[Deleted member 3518]

There's no way in the world I will ever use this tracking app.

Legally, access to the data is a free for all for law enforcement agencies.

A "nah they won't" at a press conference isn't good enough for me.


??what a crack up ... I am sure you think your under the radar .. reality is they now everything about you and know exactly where you are and what you are purchasing. Do people really think they have privacy anymore ! There are more apps running on your phone now that track all your movements and thoughts ?

So if they know all that already, why do we need to download the app?

It will help capture those cases of Covid19 where the source is unknown. All the app does is note who you have been near. It doesn’t track where you have been or anything else for that matter.

So if someone you have been near tests positive to Covid19 health care can let you know that you have been in proximity of the virus. If you test positive for Covid19 health care can let those people you have been near know that they have been in close proximity of the virus.

Pretty straight forward really.

How can they know who I've been near if they don't track where I've been?

If you don't know where I've been, then you don't know where I've been, so you can't know who I've been near.

Seriously? it stores the phone number of anyone you have been in close contact with for 15 minutes.

When was the last time (during this circus) that you spent 15mins within 1.5m of a total stranger?
This app is a joke

You do realise that the app is for when restrictions are lifted? Try reading before making uninformed comments.

I don’t think the issue is the government having your info , as , they already do .
The real issue is how , when , why , what , has access to this data , moving forward , as it’s totally within the realms of possibility that they on sell it to someone you don’t want to have your data. (Already proven your have happened , by governments and large social media giants like Facebook).
Maybe you don’t want to be belt fed Oporto ads , as , you get a chicken salad every day . Or you have something embarrassing like erectile dysfunction, and the algorithm ran in the background whilst you were having a conversation, and now youre seeing those ads.

**Or more nefariously , your data has been bought by “Shell Corp” which is a shell for a shell for a shell for the Russian government , that’s now belt feeding you negative articles on your favourite social media platform , reinforcing what ever political agenda you may have , to influence you sub-consciously moving forward, to rig elections , change political movements , begin polical movements , sway society etc.**

It’s extremely naive to call someone naive , about being careful about who and what has access to your data.
All of what I just said isn’t conspiracy nonsense by the way .
It literally was exposed when Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon got elected . Wiki leaks has large sections about it . All companies on sell your data to whoever is willing to pay whatever price .
Sam Harris has at least 4 podcasts dedicated to this on his Waking Up podcast . He’s a neuroscientist by the way , not a conspiracy nut .

I know this is a little off course but to reply to your statement

Of course you have to be willing to read something you were not searching for in the first place or be easily led by what you read
Some people read articles with an open mind
Some people have a pre conceived idea and won't be swayed
We all have minds of our own and should make decisions based on how they effect us
And we shouldn't always take what we read as truth either

If something is that important to an individual then that individual should really research that subject on their own accord without being led astray with pop up adds or re directions because that is who your data has been sold to

I don't know about you but I am not easily led astray
But I can see how someone's Data can be used to direct them in a certain direction
Most of those people tend to be either gullible or just followers

Mate it’s not about that. That’s the thing. It’s not about changing your ideas , to believe in theirs , it’s about destabilising the society and creating division by repeatedly reinforcing negativity , by hammering home each persons own Echo chamber , to then begin to slowly plant ideas , that don’t seem at all unreasonable.

The reality is i don’t need to prove anything. Do some research on the facebook inquest in front of congress last year. You may think your immune , but how do you know anything you read is truth, it could all be a huge lie. (I don’t believe that just hypothetically speaking)

I don't have Facebook
In fact this forum is the only social media site I use and participate in
I am so against Facebook and all the other similar sights as I have personally seen what these can do to families and friends
People put way to much personal information on for the world to see and that is dangerous for many reasons
And that there is the problem
Use these sites wisely because you just don't know who is looking
I see this covid tracking app as something completely different
It is there to help protect us as individuals and as a nation 1st and foremost
If it's used for matters other then those intended then I / We can deal with that later.
Delete it
Change your phone number
Simply don't read the garbage
What ever it takes
The fact is no one can force someone to read an article
That choice is yours to make
It is also your choice whether you believe it or not
If people want to protect themselves from social media
Simple
Don't use it


You’re looking at it , as a social media issue , it’s not even the case . It’s a data collection issue . It doesn’t matter where that data comes from , someone will pay a premium for it . Facebook was an example that’s out there for all to see . It could be the Pokémon go app you play with your kids . Or the Iconic app you buy your clothes from . Or the real estate app you use to buy a house . Etc. Unless you go into every single app and see which trackers are on , you’re not going to know . Even with the way the trackers are named , you don’t know which one does what .
You can view it however you want . You could call it the Care Bears hugathon cuddle app , and it doesn’t change the fact that it collects data on you and then , they openly use that data to formulate a database , to suit a certain gain. Like I said , many governments have been caught imbedding trackers in apps and places they shouldn’t . Sometimes it’s international espionage, other times it’s your own government.
It’s kind of irrelevant . You shouldn’t smash someone up for saying , you know what I’m just not going to participate. It’s their choice and IT IS a privacy issue . It just is .

Yep. If you're not paying to use that app, it's probably because you're the product.
I do feel though, that in relation to Covid-safe, the issues are a little different and the potential upside to using it is far greater than the potential downside.
However we each have to make our own call on that, don't we?

Yep ? I totally agree . Just some guys on here were implying that you had to be mad to not download it .
I’m not sure what I will do . My work has put the hard word on us , but in the end it understands it’s a personal choice .
Maybe they do have all my data , and my whole life is The Truman Show , but maybe it’s not.

 

[cochise]

There's no way in the world I will ever use this tracking app.

Legally, access to the data is a free for all for law enforcement agencies.

A "nah they won't" at a press conference isn't good enough for me.


??what a crack up ... I am sure you think your under the radar .. reality is they now everything about you and know exactly where you are and what you are purchasing. Do people really think they have privacy anymore ! There are more apps running on your phone now that track all your movements and thoughts ?

So if they know all that already, why do we need to download the app?

It will help capture those cases of Covid19 where the source is unknown. All the app does is note who you have been near. It doesn’t track where you have been or anything else for that matter.

So if someone you have been near tests positive to Covid19 health care can let you know that you have been in proximity of the virus. If you test positive for Covid19 health care can let those people you have been near know that they have been in close proximity of the virus.

Pretty straight forward really.

How can they know who I've been near if they don't track where I've been?

If you don't know where I've been, then you don't know where I've been, so you can't know who I've been near.

Seriously? it stores the phone number of anyone you have been in close contact with for 15 minutes.

When was the last time (during this circus) that you spent 15mins within 1.5m of a total stranger?
This app is a joke

You do realise that the app is for when restrictions are lifted? Try reading before making uninformed comments.

I don’t think the issue is the government having your info , as , they already do .
The real issue is how , when , why , what , has access to this data , moving forward , as it’s totally within the realms of possibility that they on sell it to someone you don’t want to have your data. (Already proven your have happened , by governments and large social media giants like Facebook).
Maybe you don’t want to be belt fed Oporto ads , as , you get a chicken salad every day . Or you have something embarrassing like erectile dysfunction, and the algorithm ran in the background whilst you were having a conversation, and now youre seeing those ads.

**Or more nefariously , your data has been bought by “Shell Corp” which is a shell for a shell for a shell for the Russian government , that’s now belt feeding you negative articles on your favourite social media platform , reinforcing what ever political agenda you may have , to influence you sub-consciously moving forward, to rig elections , change political movements , begin polical movements , sway society etc.**

It’s extremely naive to call someone naive , about being careful about who and what has access to your data.
All of what I just said isn’t conspiracy nonsense by the way .
It literally was exposed when Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon got elected . Wiki leaks has large sections about it . All companies on sell your data to whoever is willing to pay whatever price .
Sam Harris has at least 4 podcasts dedicated to this on his Waking Up podcast . He’s a neuroscientist by the way , not a conspiracy nut .

I know this is a little off course but to reply to your statement

Of course you have to be willing to read something you were not searching for in the first place or be easily led by what you read
Some people read articles with an open mind
Some people have a pre conceived idea and won't be swayed
We all have minds of our own and should make decisions based on how they effect us
And we shouldn't always take what we read as truth either

If something is that important to an individual then that individual should really research that subject on their own accord without being led astray with pop up adds or re directions because that is who your data has been sold to

I don't know about you but I am not easily led astray
But I can see how someone's Data can be used to direct them in a certain direction
Most of those people tend to be either gullible or just followers

Mate it’s not about that. That’s the thing. It’s not about changing your ideas , to believe in theirs , it’s about destabilising the society and creating division by repeatedly reinforcing negativity , by hammering home each persons own Echo chamber , to then begin to slowly plant ideas , that don’t seem at all unreasonable.

The reality is i don’t need to prove anything. Do some research on the facebook inquest in front of congress last year. You may think your immune , but how do you know anything you read is truth, it could all be a huge lie. (I don’t believe that just hypothetically speaking)

I don't have Facebook
In fact this forum is the only social media site I use and participate in
I am so against Facebook and all the other similar sights as I have personally seen what these can do to families and friends
People put way to much personal information on for the world to see and that is dangerous for many reasons
And that there is the problem
Use these sites wisely because you just don't know who is looking
I see this covid tracking app as something completely different
It is there to help protect us as individuals and as a nation 1st and foremost
If it's used for matters other then those intended then I / We can deal with that later.
Delete it
Change your phone number
Simply don't read the garbage
What ever it takes
The fact is no one can force someone to read an article
That choice is yours to make
It is also your choice whether you believe it or not
If people want to protect themselves from social media
Simple
Don't use it


You’re looking at it , as a social media issue , it’s not even the case . It’s a data collection issue . It doesn’t matter where that data comes from , someone will pay a premium for it . Facebook was an example that’s out there for all to see . It could be the Pokémon go app you play with your kids . Or the Iconic app you buy your clothes from . Or the real estate app you use to buy a house . Etc. Unless you go into every single app and see which trackers are on , you’re not going to know . Even with the way the trackers are named , you don’t know which one does what .
You can view it however you want . You could call it the Care Bears hugathon cuddle app , and it doesn’t change the fact that it collects data on you and then , they openly use that data to formulate a database , to suit a certain gain. Like I said , many governments have been caught imbedding trackers in apps and places they shouldn’t . Sometimes it’s international espionage, other times it’s your own government.
It’s kind of irrelevant . You shouldn’t smash someone up for saying , you know what I’m just not going to participate. It’s their choice and IT IS a privacy issue . It just is .

We have been disagreeing on a lot of issues around covid 19 but this is a spot on post mate.

Yea , maybe , I felt like a lot of that was miscommunication because of the medium we are using and how unless you use emojis , it’s hard to get context , nuance and emotion you’re trying to convey . I felt like my message was received in the end . Took a while though .

The topic about the app , I feel like is totally discretionary. Just make sure you’re well informed , as data mining is the new frontier for a lot of these big business.
There’s Some shady dudes in politics , Willing to do anything for personal gain . Anyone who has the “my government will look after me “ when it comes to DATA! needs to see how that’s barely , if at all accurate . Like I’ve said It’s all laid to bare with the Facebook inquest at congress. It just got lost in the 24/7 news cycle last year

The biggest issue I have is our governments decision to store out data overseas, I get that facebook etc store their data overseas but they are overseas companies. I don't understand why our government is storing our data in a place it can be accessed by another country without our permission.

In regards to mental health stuff I was never fully arguing against you as I believe me I don't want to see anyone suffer in that regard. I actually think that is where a lot of the push for us to start easing restrictions is coming from, the concern for peoples mental health.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

There's no way in the world I will ever use this tracking app.

Legally, access to the data is a free for all for law enforcement agencies.

A "nah they won't" at a press conference isn't good enough for me.


??what a crack up ... I am sure you think your under the radar .. reality is they now everything about you and know exactly where you are and what you are purchasing. Do people really think they have privacy anymore ! There are more apps running on your phone now that track all your movements and thoughts ?

So if they know all that already, why do we need to download the app?

It will help capture those cases of Covid19 where the source is unknown. All the app does is note who you have been near. It doesn’t track where you have been or anything else for that matter.

So if someone you have been near tests positive to Covid19 health care can let you know that you have been in proximity of the virus. If you test positive for Covid19 health care can let those people you have been near know that they have been in close proximity of the virus.

Pretty straight forward really.

How can they know who I've been near if they don't track where I've been?

If you don't know where I've been, then you don't know where I've been, so you can't know who I've been near.

Seriously? it stores the phone number of anyone you have been in close contact with for 15 minutes.

When was the last time (during this circus) that you spent 15mins within 1.5m of a total stranger?
This app is a joke

You do realise that the app is for when restrictions are lifted? Try reading before making uninformed comments.

I don’t think the issue is the government having your info , as , they already do .
The real issue is how , when , why , what , has access to this data , moving forward , as it’s totally within the realms of possibility that they on sell it to someone you don’t want to have your data. (Already proven your have happened , by governments and large social media giants like Facebook).
Maybe you don’t want to be belt fed Oporto ads , as , you get a chicken salad every day . Or you have something embarrassing like erectile dysfunction, and the algorithm ran in the background whilst you were having a conversation, and now youre seeing those ads.

**Or more nefariously , your data has been bought by “Shell Corp” which is a shell for a shell for a shell for the Russian government , that’s now belt feeding you negative articles on your favourite social media platform , reinforcing what ever political agenda you may have , to influence you sub-consciously moving forward, to rig elections , change political movements , begin polical movements , sway society etc.**

It’s extremely naive to call someone naive , about being careful about who and what has access to your data.
All of what I just said isn’t conspiracy nonsense by the way .
It literally was exposed when Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon got elected . Wiki leaks has large sections about it . All companies on sell your data to whoever is willing to pay whatever price .
Sam Harris has at least 4 podcasts dedicated to this on his Waking Up podcast . He’s a neuroscientist by the way , not a conspiracy nut .

I know this is a little off course but to reply to your statement

Of course you have to be willing to read something you were not searching for in the first place or be easily led by what you read
Some people read articles with an open mind
Some people have a pre conceived idea and won't be swayed
We all have minds of our own and should make decisions based on how they effect us
And we shouldn't always take what we read as truth either

If something is that important to an individual then that individual should really research that subject on their own accord without being led astray with pop up adds or re directions because that is who your data has been sold to

I don't know about you but I am not easily led astray
But I can see how someone's Data can be used to direct them in a certain direction
Most of those people tend to be either gullible or just followers

Mate it’s not about that. That’s the thing. It’s not about changing your ideas , to believe in theirs , it’s about destabilising the society and creating division by repeatedly reinforcing negativity , by hammering home each persons own Echo chamber , to then begin to slowly plant ideas , that don’t seem at all unreasonable.

The reality is i don’t need to prove anything. Do some research on the facebook inquest in front of congress last year. You may think your immune , but how do you know anything you read is truth, it could all be a huge lie. (I don’t believe that just hypothetically speaking)

I don't have Facebook
In fact this forum is the only social media site I use and participate in
I am so against Facebook and all the other similar sights as I have personally seen what these can do to families and friends
People put way to much personal information on for the world to see and that is dangerous for many reasons
And that there is the problem
Use these sites wisely because you just don't know who is looking
I see this covid tracking app as something completely different
It is there to help protect us as individuals and as a nation 1st and foremost
If it's used for matters other then those intended then I / We can deal with that later.
Delete it
Change your phone number
Simply don't read the garbage
What ever it takes
The fact is no one can force someone to read an article
That choice is yours to make
It is also your choice whether you believe it or not
If people want to protect themselves from social media
Simple
Don't use it


You’re looking at it , as a social media issue , it’s not even the case . It’s a data collection issue . It doesn’t matter where that data comes from , someone will pay a premium for it . Facebook was an example that’s out there for all to see . It could be the Pokémon go app you play with your kids . Or the Iconic app you buy your clothes from . Or the real estate app you use to buy a house . Etc. Unless you go into every single app and see which trackers are on , you’re not going to know . Even with the way the trackers are named , you don’t know which one does what .
You can view it however you want . You could call it the Care Bears hugathon cuddle app , and it doesn’t change the fact that it collects data on you and then , they openly use that data to formulate a database , to suit a certain gain. Like I said , many governments have been caught imbedding trackers in apps and places they shouldn’t . Sometimes it’s international espionage, other times it’s your own government.
It’s kind of irrelevant . You shouldn’t smash someone up for saying , you know what I’m just not going to participate. It’s their choice and IT IS a privacy issue . It just is .

We have been disagreeing on a lot of issues around covid 19 but this is a spot on post mate.

Yea , maybe , I felt like a lot of that was miscommunication because of the medium we are using and how unless you use emojis , it’s hard to get context , nuance and emotion you’re trying to convey . I felt like my message was received in the end . Took a while though .

The topic about the app , I feel like is totally discretionary. Just make sure you’re well informed , as data mining is the new frontier for a lot of these big business.
There’s Some shady dudes in politics , Willing to do anything for personal gain . Anyone who has the “my government will look after me “ when it comes to DATA! needs to see how that’s barely , if at all accurate . Like I’ve said It’s all laid to bare with the Facebook inquest at congress. It just got lost in the 24/7 news cycle last year

The biggest issue I have is our governments decision to store out data overseas, I get that facebook etc store their data overseas but they are overseas companies. I don't understand why our government is storing our data in a place it can be accessed by another country without our permission.

In regards to mental health stuff I was never fully arguing against you as I believe me I don't want to see anyone suffer in that regard. I actually think that is where a lot of the push for us to start easing restrictions is coming from, the concern for peoples mental health.

Yep , the whole thing is sketchy as . From the general free kick , the big internet conglomerates get , to the general lack of media coverage to anything that might be perceived as a restriction of privacy .
It’s pretty weird from a technological standpoint . You could build a whole city of underground servers anywhere in Aus , and nobody would be none the wiser , yet like you said it’s all stored off shore .
Also when you consider the government wouldn’t let Huawei anywhere near the NBN , and the limited infrastructure it allowed TPG to build , makes you think why that would be . There’s gotta be a backup on shore somewhere .

 

[tigger]

There's no way in the world I will ever use this tracking app.

Legally, access to the data is a free for all for law enforcement agencies.

A "nah they won't" at a press conference isn't good enough for me.


??what a crack up ... I am sure you think your under the radar .. reality is they now everything about you and know exactly where you are and what you are purchasing. Do people really think they have privacy anymore ! There are more apps running on your phone now that track all your movements and thoughts ?

So if they know all that already, why do we need to download the app?

It will help capture those cases of Covid19 where the source is unknown. All the app does is note who you have been near. It doesn’t track where you have been or anything else for that matter.

So if someone you have been near tests positive to Covid19 health care can let you know that you have been in proximity of the virus. If you test positive for Covid19 health care can let those people you have been near know that they have been in close proximity of the virus.

Pretty straight forward really.

How can they know who I've been near if they don't track where I've been?

If you don't know where I've been, then you don't know where I've been, so you can't know who I've been near.

Seriously? it stores the phone number of anyone you have been in close contact with for 15 minutes.

When was the last time (during this circus) that you spent 15mins within 1.5m of a total stranger?
This app is a joke

You do realise that the app is for when restrictions are lifted? Try reading before making uninformed comments.

I don’t think the issue is the government having your info , as , they already do .
The real issue is how , when , why , what , has access to this data , moving forward , as it’s totally within the realms of possibility that they on sell it to someone you don’t want to have your data. (Already proven your have happened , by governments and large social media giants like Facebook).
Maybe you don’t want to be belt fed Oporto ads , as , you get a chicken salad every day . Or you have something embarrassing like erectile dysfunction, and the algorithm ran in the background whilst you were having a conversation, and now youre seeing those ads.

**Or more nefariously , your data has been bought by “Shell Corp” which is a shell for a shell for a shell for the Russian government , that’s now belt feeding you negative articles on your favourite social media platform , reinforcing what ever political agenda you may have , to influence you sub-consciously moving forward, to rig elections , change political movements , begin polical movements , sway society etc.**

It’s extremely naive to call someone naive , about being careful about who and what has access to your data.
All of what I just said isn’t conspiracy nonsense by the way .
It literally was exposed when Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon got elected . Wiki leaks has large sections about it . All companies on sell your data to whoever is willing to pay whatever price .
Sam Harris has at least 4 podcasts dedicated to this on his Waking Up podcast . He’s a neuroscientist by the way , not a conspiracy nut .

I know this is a little off course but to reply to your statement

Of course you have to be willing to read something you were not searching for in the first place or be easily led by what you read
Some people read articles with an open mind
Some people have a pre conceived idea and won't be swayed
We all have minds of our own and should make decisions based on how they effect us
And we shouldn't always take what we read as truth either

If something is that important to an individual then that individual should really research that subject on their own accord without being led astray with pop up adds or re directions because that is who your data has been sold to

I don't know about you but I am not easily led astray
But I can see how someone's Data can be used to direct them in a certain direction
Most of those people tend to be either gullible or just followers

Mate it’s not about that. That’s the thing. It’s not about changing your ideas , to believe in theirs , it’s about destabilising the society and creating division by repeatedly reinforcing negativity , by hammering home each persons own Echo chamber , to then begin to slowly plant ideas , that don’t seem at all unreasonable.

The reality is i don’t need to prove anything. Do some research on the facebook inquest in front of congress last year. You may think your immune , but how do you know anything you read is truth, it could all be a huge lie. (I don’t believe that just hypothetically speaking)

I don't have Facebook
In fact this forum is the only social media site I use and participate in
I am so against Facebook and all the other similar sights as I have personally seen what these can do to families and friends
People put way to much personal information on for the world to see and that is dangerous for many reasons
And that there is the problem
Use these sites wisely because you just don't know who is looking
I see this covid tracking app as something completely different
It is there to help protect us as individuals and as a nation 1st and foremost
If it's used for matters other then those intended then I / We can deal with that later.
Delete it
Change your phone number
Simply don't read the garbage
What ever it takes
The fact is no one can force someone to read an article
That choice is yours to make
It is also your choice whether you believe it or not
If people want to protect themselves from social media
Simple
Don't use it


You’re looking at it , as a social media issue , it’s not even the case . It’s a data collection issue . It doesn’t matter where that data comes from , someone will pay a premium for it . Facebook was an example that’s out there for all to see . It could be the Pokémon go app you play with your kids . Or the Iconic app you buy your clothes from . Or the real estate app you use to buy a house . Etc. Unless you go into every single app and see which trackers are on , you’re not going to know . Even with the way the trackers are named , you don’t know which one does what .
You can view it however you want . You could call it the Care Bears hugathon cuddle app , and it doesn’t change the fact that it collects data on you and then , they openly use that data to formulate a database , to suit a certain gain. Like I said , many governments have been caught imbedding trackers in apps and places they shouldn’t . Sometimes it’s international espionage, other times it’s your own government.
It’s kind of irrelevant . You shouldn’t smash someone up for saying , you know what I’m just not going to participate. It’s their choice and IT IS a privacy issue . It just is .

Yep. If you're not paying to use that app, it's probably because you're the product.
I do feel though, that in relation to Covid-safe, the issues are a little different and the potential upside to using it is far greater than the potential downside.
However we each have to make our own call on that, don't we?

Yep ? I totally agree . Just some guys on here were implying that you had to be mad to not download it .
I’m not sure what I will do . My work has put the hard word on us , but in the end it understands it’s a personal choice .
Maybe they do have all my data , and my whole life is The Truman Show , but maybe it’s not.

I'm conscious of the privacy issues but decided that they were of a second order when compared to the potential life or death issues that confront us with corona virus.
When you look at the USA, UK, Italy and Spain it's pretty obvious what the potential downside of this pandemic can be. When I weighed that up against the possibility that data from my phone might be misused, the downside risk seemed, to me, to be low in comparison.
To be honest though, I have a vested interest. My decision to download the app has greater value if more people in our society make the same decision. If the take up is low, my decision ends up being of little value.
So that's my self interest disclaimer.

 

[Hangonaminute]

Just keep trusting your government and obey their orders.

Just remember, they're a true representation of the people.
They never lie, they never attempt to cover up their lies, they're there to serve us.
Everything they do is in our best interest.
They never use the media in a bias way and they never have an agenda.
They're completely transparent.

All (big) 4 banks of Australia have been caught systematically breaching anti money laundering laws, the Wastpac Bank got caught money laundering on 23 million occasions.
What does the government do if these banks get into trouble?
They bail them out (well they used to) until they passed "bail in" laws which now allows the bank to use YOUR "unsecured loan" which is every deposit you make into your account to keep the bank solvent.

Considering how the government pass laws to help out criminal organisations AKA Banks who are laundering money they've now also passed a law which can see people serve a two year jail sentence for making a transaction of over 10k in cash.
To...............wait for it.................................. prevent criminal activity.

So we have a government who will bail out banks that get caught laundering money on 23million occasions and pass laws to allow these criminal cartels to use our money to keep themselves afloat yet will send average Joe to jail for 2 years if he spends 10k of legal tender in cash.

This is obviously a government who has our best interest at heart, we should all be doing as they tell us to

 

[Tim Sheens]

I note that the UK has added some of their previously unaccounted for deaths to their totals today, which takes them to the third worst number of lives lost and likely to surpass Italy very soon as well.

Whilst I expect that the true numbers from China would be up around the top, those numbers, like those of the US, the UK's are also terrible considering they both had the huge advantage of being able observe and act on the knowledge of others on the list around them that were hit by the virus earlier. Boris Johnson is probably lucky to have caught the virus for the sympathy it brings, plus the birth of his child at this time, else he would be copping plenty from both the public and press already, with worse to come as their deaths continue in coming weeks.

 

[twentyforty]

There's no way in the world I will ever use this tracking app.

Legally, access to the data is a free for all for law enforcement agencies.

A "nah they won't" at a press conference isn't good enough for me.


??what a crack up ... I am sure you think your under the radar .. reality is they now everything about you and know exactly where you are and what you are purchasing. Do people really think they have privacy anymore ! There are more apps running on your phone now that track all your movements and thoughts ?

So if they know all that already, why do we need to download the app?

It will help capture those cases of Covid19 where the source is unknown. All the app does is note who you have been near. It doesn’t track where you have been or anything else for that matter.

So if someone you have been near tests positive to Covid19 health care can let you know that you have been in proximity of the virus. If you test positive for Covid19 health care can let those people you have been near know that they have been in close proximity of the virus.

Pretty straight forward really.

How can they know who I've been near if they don't track where I've been?

If you don't know where I've been, then you don't know where I've been, so you can't know who I've been near.

Seriously? it stores the phone number of anyone you have been in close contact with for 15 minutes.

When was the last time (during this circus) that you spent 15mins within 1.5m of a total stranger?
This app is a joke

You do realise that the app is for when restrictions are lifted? Try reading before making uninformed comments.

I don’t think the issue is the government having your info , as , they already do .
The real issue is how , when , why , what , has access to this data , moving forward , as it’s totally within the realms of possibility that they on sell it to someone you don’t want to have your data. (Already proven your have happened , by governments and large social media giants like Facebook).
Maybe you don’t want to be belt fed Oporto ads , as , you get a chicken salad every day . Or you have something embarrassing like erectile dysfunction, and the algorithm ran in the background whilst you were having a conversation, and now youre seeing those ads.

**Or more nefariously , your data has been bought by “Shell Corp” which is a shell for a shell for a shell for the Russian government , that’s now belt feeding you negative articles on your favourite social media platform , reinforcing what ever political agenda you may have , to influence you sub-consciously moving forward, to rig elections , change political movements , begin polical movements , sway society etc.**

It’s extremely naive to call someone naive , about being careful about who and what has access to your data.
All of what I just said isn’t conspiracy nonsense by the way .
It literally was exposed when Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon got elected . Wiki leaks has large sections about it . All companies on sell your data to whoever is willing to pay whatever price .
Sam Harris has at least 4 podcasts dedicated to this on his Waking Up podcast . He’s a neuroscientist by the way , not a conspiracy nut .

I know this is a little off course but to reply to your statement

Of course you have to be willing to read something you were not searching for in the first place or be easily led by what you read
Some people read articles with an open mind
Some people have a pre conceived idea and won't be swayed
We all have minds of our own and should make decisions based on how they effect us
And we shouldn't always take what we read as truth either

If something is that important to an individual then that individual should really research that subject on their own accord without being led astray with pop up adds or re directions because that is who your data has been sold to

I don't know about you but I am not easily led astray
But I can see how someone's Data can be used to direct them in a certain direction
Most of those people tend to be either gullible or just followers

Mate it’s not about that. That’s the thing. It’s not about changing your ideas , to believe in theirs , it’s about destabilising the society and creating division by repeatedly reinforcing negativity , by hammering home each persons own Echo chamber , to then begin to slowly plant ideas , that don’t seem at all unreasonable.

The reality is i don’t need to prove anything. Do some research on the facebook inquest in front of congress last year. You may think your immune , but how do you know anything you read is truth, it could all be a huge lie. (I don’t believe that just hypothetically speaking)

I don't have Facebook
In fact this forum is the only social media site I use and participate in
I am so against Facebook and all the other similar sights as I have personally seen what these can do to families and friends
People put way to much personal information on for the world to see and that is dangerous for many reasons
And that there is the problem
Use these sites wisely because you just don't know who is looking
I see this covid tracking app as something completely different
It is there to help protect us as individuals and as a nation 1st and foremost
If it's used for matters other then those intended then I / We can deal with that later.
Delete it
Change your phone number
Simply don't read the garbage
What ever it takes
The fact is no one can force someone to read an article
That choice is yours to make
It is also your choice whether you believe it or not
If people want to protect themselves from social media
Simple
Don't use it


You’re looking at it , as a social media issue , it’s not even the case . It’s a data collection issue . It doesn’t matter where that data comes from , someone will pay a premium for it . Facebook was an example that’s out there for all to see . It could be the Pokémon go app you play with your kids . Or the Iconic app you buy your clothes from . Or the real estate app you use to buy a house . Etc. Unless you go into every single app and see which trackers are on , you’re not going to know . Even with the way the trackers are named , you don’t know which one does what .
You can view it however you want . You could call it the Care Bears hugathon cuddle app , and it doesn’t change the fact that it collects data on you and then , they openly use that data to formulate a database , to suit a certain gain. Like I said , many governments have been caught imbedding trackers in apps and places they shouldn’t . Sometimes it’s international espionage, other times it’s your own government.
It’s kind of irrelevant . You shouldn’t smash someone up for saying , you know what I’m just not going to participate. It’s their choice and IT IS a privacy issue . It just is .

Yep. If you're not paying to use that app, it's probably because you're the product.
I do feel though, that in relation to Covid-safe, the issues are a little different and the potential upside to using it is far greater than the potential downside.
However we each have to make our own call on that, don't we?

Agree Tigger, In addition to minimising our health risk, there may be an indirect commercial benefit associated with the coved app, but it’s a benefit similar to the health benefit, it’s spread across the entire population. When it’s safe to do so, the wheels of commerce and industry will start rolling.