Coronavirus Outbreak

[happy_tiger]

Any more links to rubbish such as the original post I deleted will result in the offending member taking a permanent break from this site.

Is it just any article which isn’t in line with the almost unanimous view in here that will result in censorship? Are you that certain you are right and that this information was wrong?

Surely we are clever enough and confident enough to read the information and make our own conclusions?

“I would rather have questions that can’t be answered than answers that can’t be questioned”
- Richard Feynman

Anyone with half a brain knows what you're posting is rubbish and you'd think you would have learned after spending a week on the sidelines for posting such nonsense. But hey, if you want to tempt fate, go right ahead and post something else made up by some conspiracy theorist backed up with no evidence - because I'll sure as hell make sure you don't do it again on this forum.

I completely disagree with the conspiracy theory garbage , but banning him ? What’s the go with that ? Shouldn’t it be open to discuss , and therefore disprove. Smarter people than you or I , swear that the opinion of your enemy has just as much value as the opinion of your friend . Sometimes more so .
It’s none of my business , but what if someone puts up an article about Scientology ? How does that get rated ? Like where is the line ? Because that has as much ground in reality as a story about a bloke who walked on water , and turned water in wine , and arose from the dead . Or that the coronavirus is all a hoax . Especially when this is the thread about coronavirus .

Well said Strongee . It's an open forum. He has said nothing warranting a ban.

I hate blocking and banning people . I’d rather have a fight / arguement / debate with someone . Because then, like what happens the other day , you can get various perspectives , and correct some thoughts or behaviours your may have been doing . And a lot of the time you feel validation because of these opposing views . It’s all relevant . You need bad ideas to point a way to the good ones . Otherwise you just have ideas , and no idea whether they’re good bad or indifferent.

The problem is Strongee no one is open to debate or even considering another person’s view on this particular subject. There is a bunch of people who think they are right and that’s it, end of story. Everyone else is a looney apparently.

Having an alternate view to the majority doesn’t warrant a ban imo, but I’m not the boss. There are many more people on here who could be banned for their name calling and personal attacks on other people’s characters, which I think is actually a valid reason spelled out in the Forum rules, but there ya go.

Yea , I did that . And paws and I worked it out through conversation and alternate thinking to our initial thought . It’s literally proving my point , that if your end goal is to find common ground then you will find it . Even you have to go through a bumpy ride to get there .
You have to give people the ability to do that . I mean if the guy is spamming and stirring of course , that’s not contributing to the conversation, but if he means well , and feels passionate about his idea , no matter how flawed, we should always keep those communication lines open .

As long as everyone respects others opinions you don't necessarily have to come to come to an agreement

Agree to disagree ..shake hands ..bump fists ...move on

 

[tigger]

There is a virus killing people. It’s not up for discussion. To discuss otherwise is endangering lives. We are in the fortunate position that most of Australia aren’t morons.


Sure, but where do you draw the line and who decides to draw that line? Take my recent to and fro with Earl here (no I dont want to reignite it). I was discussing the Lab Leak Hypothesis. Now to some, including Earl, it may seem like a conspiracy but there is actually very good science backing it up ( and the WHO are currently making a sham investigation into it as we speak). I admit that it is a slippery slope to "an intentional weaponised release" or "COVID does not exist", but IMO the problem with censorship is always the question of who gets to decide on what the boundary is.

Yes and your to and fro with Earl was not censored. Why? Probably because you were actually trying to legitimately debate a point and not just posting links to articles littered with deliberate misinformation by people with clear agendas and accompanying the links with baseless comments that were insensitive to others.
They weren't trying to debate or understand anything, just spread misinformation and then, in accordance with their playbook, spout off about free speech and seek to claim the victimhood mantle when anyone was critical of the content they posted.

You've nailed it Nelson.

These people were just using this forum as a platform to spread dangerous misinformation. They were asked to stop and didn't. At no stage were they engaged in a legitimate exchange of views with other forum members (in my opinion). They were simply abusing the privilege of being on this forum.

I don't see it as censorship. I don't think this is the forum for that sort of ratbag behaviour (regardless of the thread subject) and I applaud the mods for clearing them off.

 

[happy_tiger]

There is a virus killing people. It’s not up for discussion. To discuss otherwise is endangering lives. We are in the fortunate position that most of Australia aren’t morons.


Sure, but where do you draw the line and who decides to draw that line? Take my recent to and fro with Earl here (no I dont want to reignite it). I was discussing the Lab Leak Hypothesis. Now to some, including Earl, it may seem like a conspiracy but there is actually very good science backing it up ( and the WHO are currently making a sham investigation into it as we speak). I admit that it is a slippery slope to "an intentional weaponised release" or "COVID does not exist", but IMO the problem with censorship is always the question of who gets to decide on what the boundary is.

Yes and your to and fro with Earl was not censored. Why? Probably because you were actually trying to legitimately debate a point and not just posting links to articles littered with deliberate misinformation by people with clear agendas and accompanying the links with baseless comments that were insensitive to others.
They weren't trying to debate or understand anything, just spread misinformation and then, in accordance with their playbook, spout off about free speech and seek to claim the victimhood mantle when anyone was critical of the content they posted.

You've nailed it Nelson.

These people were just using this forum as a platform to spread dangerous misinformation. They were asked to stop and didn't. At no stage were they engaged in a legitimate exchange of views with other forum members (in my opinion). They were simply abusing the privilege of being on this forum.

I don't see it as censorship. I don't think this is the forum for that sort of ratbag behaviour (regardless of the thread subject) and I applaud the mods for clearing them off.

But doesn't having one iota of common sense come into it ...let them speak junk ...and if you don't agree ..foe them ..it's like when the Mormons come to the front door ...you can ignore them ...or you can try and make them see where they are possibly wrong ...choice and free speech is exactly that ....True ??

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Any more links to rubbish such as the original post I deleted will result in the offending member taking a permanent break from this site.

Is it just any article which isn’t in line with the almost unanimous view in here that will result in censorship? Are you that certain you are right and that this information was wrong?

Surely we are clever enough and confident enough to read the information and make our own conclusions?

“I would rather have questions that can’t be answered than answers that can’t be questioned”
- Richard Feynman

Anyone with half a brain knows what you're posting is rubbish and you'd think you would have learned after spending a week on the sidelines for posting such nonsense. But hey, if you want to tempt fate, go right ahead and post something else made up by some conspiracy theorist backed up with no evidence - because I'll sure as hell make sure you don't do it again on this forum.

I completely disagree with the conspiracy theory garbage , but banning him ? What’s the go with that ? Shouldn’t it be open to discuss , and therefore disprove. Smarter people than you or I , swear that the opinion of your enemy has just as much value as the opinion of your friend . Sometimes more so .
It’s none of my business , but what if someone puts up an article about Scientology ? How does that get rated ? Like where is the line ? Because that has as much ground in reality as a story about a bloke who walked on water , and turned water in wine , and arose from the dead . Or that the coronavirus is all a hoax . Especially when this is the thread about coronavirus .

Well said Strongee . It's an open forum. He has said nothing warranting a ban.

I hate blocking and banning people . I’d rather have a fight / arguement / debate with someone . Because then, like what happens the other day , you can get various perspectives , and correct some thoughts or behaviours your may have been doing . And a lot of the time you feel validation because of these opposing views . It’s all relevant . You need bad ideas to point a way to the good ones . Otherwise you just have ideas , and no idea whether they’re good bad or indifferent.

The problem is Strongee no one is open to debate or even considering another person’s view on this particular subject. There is a bunch of people who think they are right and that’s it, end of story. Everyone else is a looney apparently.

Having an alternate view to the majority doesn’t warrant a ban imo, but I’m not the boss. There are many more people on here who could be banned for their name calling and personal attacks on other people’s characters, which I think is actually a valid reason spelled out in the Forum rules, but there ya go.

Yea , I did that . And paws and I worked it out through conversation and alternate thinking to our initial thought . It’s literally proving my point , that if your end goal is to find common ground then you will find it . Even you have to go through a bumpy ride to get there .
You have to give people the ability to do that . I mean if the guy is spamming and stirring of course , that’s not contributing to the conversation, but if he means well , and feels passionate about his idea , no matter how flawed, we should always keep those communication lines open .

As long as everyone respects others opinions you don't necessarily have to come to come to an agreement

Agree to disagree ..shake hands ..bump fists ...move on

Yep , and that’s a resolution in itself .

 

[Deleted member 3518]

There is a virus killing people. It’s not up for discussion. To discuss otherwise is endangering lives. We are in the fortunate position that most of Australia aren’t morons.


Sure, but where do you draw the line and who decides to draw that line? Take my recent to and fro with Earl here (no I dont want to reignite it). I was discussing the Lab Leak Hypothesis. Now to some, including Earl, it may seem like a conspiracy but there is actually very good science backing it up ( and the WHO are currently making a sham investigation into it as we speak). I admit that it is a slippery slope to "an intentional weaponised release" or "COVID does not exist", but IMO the problem with censorship is always the question of who gets to decide on what the boundary is.

Yes and your to and fro with Earl was not censored. Why? Probably because you were actually trying to legitimately debate a point and not just posting links to articles littered with deliberate misinformation by people with clear agendas and accompanying the links with baseless comments that were insensitive to others.
They weren't trying to debate or understand anything, just spread misinformation and then, in accordance with their playbook, spout off about free speech and seek to claim the victimhood mantle when anyone was critical of the content they posted.

You've nailed it Nelson.

These people were just using this forum as a platform to spread dangerous misinformation. They were asked to stop and didn't. At no stage were they engaged in a legitimate exchange of views with other forum members (in my opinion). They were simply abusing the privilege of being on this forum.

I don't see it as censorship. I don't think this is the forum for that sort of ratbag behaviour (regardless of the thread subject) and I applaud the mods for clearing them off.

But doesn't having one iota of common sense come into it ...let them speak junk ...and if you don't agree ..foe them ..it's like when the Mormons come to the front door ...you can ignore them ...or you can try and make them see where they are possibly wrong ...choice and free speech is exactly that ....True ??

How far do you go with the “that’s crap , they just want to divide” .... Banned !!. Or blocked , or defriended or cancelled . Or ostracised from the friendship circle . People are so keen to do that nowadays . It’s like they have itchy trigger fingers . Like the flag , and Australia Day debate . So many people just dismiss they opposing view , no matter whether the person put a lot of thought into it. You’re a lefty , do gooder from the right , and your a racist bogan from the left . Both wanting the other side silenced . I know it’s not really relevant to this , but I personally worry when I see this stuff .

 

[tigger]

There is a virus killing people. It’s not up for discussion. To discuss otherwise is endangering lives. We are in the fortunate position that most of Australia aren’t morons.


Sure, but where do you draw the line and who decides to draw that line? Take my recent to and fro with Earl here (no I dont want to reignite it). I was discussing the Lab Leak Hypothesis. Now to some, including Earl, it may seem like a conspiracy but there is actually very good science backing it up ( and the WHO are currently making a sham investigation into it as we speak). I admit that it is a slippery slope to "an intentional weaponised release" or "COVID does not exist", but IMO the problem with censorship is always the question of who gets to decide on what the boundary is.

Yes and your to and fro with Earl was not censored. Why? Probably because you were actually trying to legitimately debate a point and not just posting links to articles littered with deliberate misinformation by people with clear agendas and accompanying the links with baseless comments that were insensitive to others.
They weren't trying to debate or understand anything, just spread misinformation and then, in accordance with their playbook, spout off about free speech and seek to claim the victimhood mantle when anyone was critical of the content they posted.

You've nailed it Nelson.

These people were just using this forum as a platform to spread dangerous misinformation. They were asked to stop and didn't. At no stage were they engaged in a legitimate exchange of views with other forum members (in my opinion). They were simply abusing the privilege of being on this forum.

I don't see it as censorship. I don't think this is the forum for that sort of ratbag behaviour (regardless of the thread subject) and I applaud the mods for clearing them off.

But doesn't having one iota of common sense come into it ...let them speak junk ...and if you don't agree ..foe them ..it's like when the Mormons come to the front door ...you can ignore them ...or you can try and make them see where they are possibly wrong ...choice and free speech is exactly that ....True ??

Up to a point Happy T.

I wasn't personally bothered by them. The ratbags are pretty easy to recognise and I never engage with them. I don't respond to them and I don't debate with them because there is no point.

But coronavirus is a real crisis for our global community. It's a life or death issue not an issue about whether Moses Mbye or Daine Laurie would be better playing fullback. Our success in Australia at containing this disease has been largely as a result of the Australian community adopting a responsible attitude towards it. Then you have these idiots, utilising our forum, to undermine that by pedalling their misinformation.

Free speech is a right, but with all rights come responsibilities. The people pedalling this rubbish are being irresponsible so I don't have the same issues around curtailing their right free speech on a subject such as this, as I might do on other subjects.

Lots of people will disagree with me on that. For lots of people "free speech" is an absolute given which cannot be controverted. I think if you aren't being responsible in your use of free speech then you forgo your rights.

 

[happy_tiger]

There is a virus killing people. It’s not up for discussion. To discuss otherwise is endangering lives. We are in the fortunate position that most of Australia aren’t morons.


Sure, but where do you draw the line and who decides to draw that line? Take my recent to and fro with Earl here (no I dont want to reignite it). I was discussing the Lab Leak Hypothesis. Now to some, including Earl, it may seem like a conspiracy but there is actually very good science backing it up ( and the WHO are currently making a sham investigation into it as we speak). I admit that it is a slippery slope to "an intentional weaponised release" or "COVID does not exist", but IMO the problem with censorship is always the question of who gets to decide on what the boundary is.

Yes and your to and fro with Earl was not censored. Why? Probably because you were actually trying to legitimately debate a point and not just posting links to articles littered with deliberate misinformation by people with clear agendas and accompanying the links with baseless comments that were insensitive to others.
They weren't trying to debate or understand anything, just spread misinformation and then, in accordance with their playbook, spout off about free speech and seek to claim the victimhood mantle when anyone was critical of the content they posted.

You've nailed it Nelson.

These people were just using this forum as a platform to spread dangerous misinformation. They were asked to stop and didn't. At no stage were they engaged in a legitimate exchange of views with other forum members (in my opinion). They were simply abusing the privilege of being on this forum.

I don't see it as censorship. I don't think this is the forum for that sort of ratbag behaviour (regardless of the thread subject) and I applaud the mods for clearing them off.

But doesn't having one iota of common sense come into it ...let them speak junk ...and if you don't agree ..foe them ..it's like when the Mormons come to the front door ...you can ignore them ...or you can try and make them see where they are possibly wrong ...choice and free speech is exactly that ....True ??

Up to a point Happy T.

I wasn't personally bothered by them. The ratbags are pretty easy to recognise and I never engage with them. I don't respond to them and I don't debate with them because there is no point.

But coronavirus is a real crisis for our global community. It's a life or death issue not an issue about whether Moses Mbye or Daine Laurie would be better playing fullback. Our success in Australia at containing this disease has been largely as a result of the Australian community adopting a responsible attitude towards it. Then you have these idiots, utilising our forum, to undermine that by pedalling their misinformation.

Free speech is a right, but with all rights come responsibilities. The people pedalling this rubbish are being irresponsible so I don't have the same issues around curtailing their right free speech on a subject such as this, as I might do on other subjects.

Lots of people will disagree with me on that. For lots of people "free speech" is an absolute given which cannot be controverted. I think if you aren't being responsible in your use of free speech then you forgo your rights.

Again history will prove them wrong .....I still think if everyone Foed them they'd be arguing with themselves ......again your own common sense and reasoning then takes over ...if you can't use those things you probably shouldn't be getting involved in this thread ...accountable for your own thoughts / opinions ...is it really worth getting overly upset about it ??

 

[mike]

There is a virus killing people. It’s not up for discussion. To discuss otherwise is endangering lives. We are in the fortunate position that most of Australia aren’t morons.


Sure, but where do you draw the line and who decides to draw that line? Take my recent to and fro with Earl here (no I dont want to reignite it). I was discussing the Lab Leak Hypothesis. Now to some, including Earl, it may seem like a conspiracy but there is actually very good science backing it up ( and the WHO are currently making a sham investigation into it as we speak). I admit that it is a slippery slope to "an intentional weaponised release" or "COVID does not exist", but IMO the problem with censorship is always the question of who gets to decide on what the boundary is.

Yes and your to and fro with Earl was not censored. Why? Probably because you were actually trying to legitimately debate a point and not just posting links to articles littered with deliberate misinformation by people with clear agendas and accompanying the links with baseless comments that were insensitive to others.
They weren't trying to debate or understand anything, just spread misinformation and then, in accordance with their playbook, spout off about free speech and seek to claim the victimhood mantle when anyone was critical of the content they posted.

You've nailed it Nelson.

These people were just using this forum as a platform to spread dangerous misinformation. They were asked to stop and didn't. At no stage were they engaged in a legitimate exchange of views with other forum members (in my opinion). They were simply abusing the privilege of being on this forum.

I don't see it as censorship. I don't think this is the forum for that sort of ratbag behaviour (regardless of the thread subject) and I applaud the mods for clearing them off.

But doesn't having one iota of common sense come into it ...let them speak junk ...and if you don't agree ..foe them ..it's like when the Mormons come to the front door ...you can ignore them ...or you can try and make them see where they are possibly wrong ...choice and free speech is exactly that ....True ??

Up to a point Happy T.

I wasn't personally bothered by them. The ratbags are pretty easy to recognise and I never engage with them. I don't respond to them and I don't debate with them because there is no point.

But coronavirus is a real crisis for our global community. It's a life or death issue not an issue about whether Moses Mbye or Daine Laurie would be better playing fullback. Our success in Australia at containing this disease has been largely as a result of the Australian community adopting a responsible attitude towards it. Then you have these idiots, utilising our forum, to undermine that by pedalling their misinformation.

Free speech is a right, but with all rights come responsibilities. The people pedalling this rubbish are being irresponsible so I don't have the same issues around curtailing their right free speech on a subject such as this, as I might do on other subjects.

Lots of people will disagree with me on that. For lots of people "free speech" is an absolute given which cannot be controverted. I think if you aren't being responsible in your use of free speech then you forgo your rights.

Again history will prove them wrong .....I still think if everyone Foed them they'd be arguing with themselves ......again your own common sense and reasoning then takes over ...if you can't use those things you probably shouldn't be getting involved in this thread ...accountable for your own thoughts / opinions ...is it really worth getting overly upset about it ??

The three people I had foe'd are now banned. Well done mods.

 

[TheDaBoss]

Bloke up in the gong went thru 14 day quarantine got tested day 8 and 13 and was negative

He went out andwent ledgit everwhere lol and then on day 16 was found positive lol....

Gonna be intresting to see how its dealt with

 

[jadtiger]

Bloke up in the gong went thru 14 day quarantine got tested day 8 and 13 and was negative

He went out andwent ledgit everwhere lol and then on day 16 was found positive lol....

Gonna be intresting to see how its dealt with

He was probably unfortunate enough to catch it after he went out.

 

[Tiger5150]

Bloke up in the gong went thru 14 day quarantine got tested day 8 and 13 and was negative

He went out andwent ledgit everwhere lol and then on day 16 was found positive lol....

Gonna be intresting to see how its dealt with


He was probably unfortunate enough to catch it after he went out.

Doesnt really make sense though, we have had nearly a month of no community transmission. Who would he be catching it off?

 

[Deleted member 3518]

There is a virus killing people. It’s not up for discussion. To discuss otherwise is endangering lives. We are in the fortunate position that most of Australia aren’t morons.


Sure, but where do you draw the line and who decides to draw that line? Take my recent to and fro with Earl here (no I dont want to reignite it). I was discussing the Lab Leak Hypothesis. Now to some, including Earl, it may seem like a conspiracy but there is actually very good science backing it up ( and the WHO are currently making a sham investigation into it as we speak). I admit that it is a slippery slope to "an intentional weaponised release" or "COVID does not exist", but IMO the problem with censorship is always the question of who gets to decide on what the boundary is.

Yes and your to and fro with Earl was not censored. Why? Probably because you were actually trying to legitimately debate a point and not just posting links to articles littered with deliberate misinformation by people with clear agendas and accompanying the links with baseless comments that were insensitive to others.
They weren't trying to debate or understand anything, just spread misinformation and then, in accordance with their playbook, spout off about free speech and seek to claim the victimhood mantle when anyone was critical of the content they posted.

You've nailed it Nelson.

These people were just using this forum as a platform to spread dangerous misinformation. They were asked to stop and didn't. At no stage were they engaged in a legitimate exchange of views with other forum members (in my opinion). They were simply abusing the privilege of being on this forum.

I don't see it as censorship. I don't think this is the forum for that sort of ratbag behaviour (regardless of the thread subject) and I applaud the mods for clearing them off.

But doesn't having one iota of common sense come into it ...let them speak junk ...and if you don't agree ..foe them ..it's like when the Mormons come to the front door ...you can ignore them ...or you can try and make them see where they are possibly wrong ...choice and free speech is exactly that ....True ??

Up to a point Happy T.

I wasn't personally bothered by them. The ratbags are pretty easy to recognise and I never engage with them. I don't respond to them and I don't debate with them because there is no point.

But coronavirus is a real crisis for our global community. It's a life or death issue not an issue about whether Moses Mbye or Daine Laurie would be better playing fullback. Our success in Australia at containing this disease has been largely as a result of the Australian community adopting a responsible attitude towards it. Then you have these idiots, utilising our forum, to undermine that by pedalling their misinformation.

Free speech is a right, but with all rights come responsibilities. The people pedalling this rubbish are being irresponsible so I don't have the same issues around curtailing their right free speech on a subject such as this, as I might do on other subjects.

Lots of people will disagree with me on that. For lots of people "free speech" is an absolute given which cannot be controverted. I think if you aren't being responsible in your use of free speech then you forgo your rights.

Again history will prove them wrong .....I still think if everyone Foed them they'd be arguing with themselves ......again your own common sense and reasoning then takes over ...if you can't use those things you probably shouldn't be getting involved in this thread ...accountable for your own thoughts / opinions ...is it really worth getting overly upset about it ??


The three people I had foe'd are now banned. Well done mods.

Why are you celebrating that ? Whatever , I’ll never understand that way of thinking . But you do you.

 

[happy_tiger]

There is a virus killing people. It’s not up for discussion. To discuss otherwise is endangering lives. We are in the fortunate position that most of Australia aren’t morons.


Sure, but where do you draw the line and who decides to draw that line? Take my recent to and fro with Earl here (no I dont want to reignite it). I was discussing the Lab Leak Hypothesis. Now to some, including Earl, it may seem like a conspiracy but there is actually very good science backing it up ( and the WHO are currently making a sham investigation into it as we speak). I admit that it is a slippery slope to "an intentional weaponised release" or "COVID does not exist", but IMO the problem with censorship is always the question of who gets to decide on what the boundary is.

Yes and your to and fro with Earl was not censored. Why? Probably because you were actually trying to legitimately debate a point and not just posting links to articles littered with deliberate misinformation by people with clear agendas and accompanying the links with baseless comments that were insensitive to others.
They weren't trying to debate or understand anything, just spread misinformation and then, in accordance with their playbook, spout off about free speech and seek to claim the victimhood mantle when anyone was critical of the content they posted.

You've nailed it Nelson.

These people were just using this forum as a platform to spread dangerous misinformation. They were asked to stop and didn't. At no stage were they engaged in a legitimate exchange of views with other forum members (in my opinion). They were simply abusing the privilege of being on this forum.

I don't see it as censorship. I don't think this is the forum for that sort of ratbag behaviour (regardless of the thread subject) and I applaud the mods for clearing them off.

But doesn't having one iota of common sense come into it ...let them speak junk ...and if you don't agree ..foe them ..it's like when the Mormons come to the front door ...you can ignore them ...or you can try and make them see where they are possibly wrong ...choice and free speech is exactly that ....True ??

Up to a point Happy T.

I wasn't personally bothered by them. The ratbags are pretty easy to recognise and I never engage with them. I don't respond to them and I don't debate with them because there is no point.

But coronavirus is a real crisis for our global community. It's a life or death issue not an issue about whether Moses Mbye or Daine Laurie would be better playing fullback. Our success in Australia at containing this disease has been largely as a result of the Australian community adopting a responsible attitude towards it. Then you have these idiots, utilising our forum, to undermine that by pedalling their misinformation.

Free speech is a right, but with all rights come responsibilities. The people pedalling this rubbish are being irresponsible so I don't have the same issues around curtailing their right free speech on a subject such as this, as I might do on other subjects.

Lots of people will disagree with me on that. For lots of people "free speech" is an absolute given which cannot be controverted. I think if you aren't being responsible in your use of free speech then you forgo your rights.

Again history will prove them wrong .....I still think if everyone Foed them they'd be arguing with themselves ......again your own common sense and reasoning then takes over ...if you can't use those things you probably shouldn't be getting involved in this thread ...accountable for your own thoughts / opinions ...is it really worth getting overly upset about it ??


The three people I had foe'd are now banned. Well done mods.

Didn't you tell me you Foed Geo in that thread .....

 

[Tiger5150]

@strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1301340):

>So many people just dismiss they opposing view , no matter whether the person put a lot of thought into it. You’re a lefty , do gooder from the right , and your a racist bogan from the left . Both wanting the other side silenced . I know it’s not really relevant to this , but I personally worry when I see this stuff .

This polarising binary of speech now removes all nuance from discussions. IMO it is a consequence of the politicisation of everything (particulary in the US), red team v blue team.

COVID vaccines are the perfect example. Its either the VACCINE IS PROVEN TO BE SAFE or the only other response is YOU SHOULD NOT TAKE THE VACCINE ANTIVAX view. Neither side of this binary is correct or tells the whole story. The vaccines are not proven to be safe, there has been no longitudinal studies done on the safety of them, but they have been proven (within acceptable parameters) to be safe in the short term. The choices people make are for their individual and community benefit, but it seems the media and social media narrative regarding it is that the community is incapable of discussing or making decisions as adults.

Im not an antivaxer, if/when my time comes I'll stick my arm out for the Oxford/Astra Zenaca vaccine(only).

 

[Deleted member 3518]

>So many people just dismiss they opposing view , no matter whether the person put a lot of thought into it. You’re a lefty , do gooder from the right , and your a racist bogan from the left . Both wanting the other side silenced . I know it’s not really relevant to this , but I personally worry when I see this stuff .

This polarising binary of speech now removes all nuance from discussions. IMO it is a consequence of the politicisation of everything (particulary in the US), red team v blue team.

COVID vaccines are the perfect example. Its either the VACCINE IS PROVEN TO BE SAFE or the only other response is YOU SHOULD NOT TAKE THE VACCINE ANTIVAX view. Neither side of this binary is correct or tells the whole story. The vaccines are not proven to be safe, there has been no longitudinal studies done on the safety of them, but they have been proven (within acceptable parameters) to be safe in the short term. The choices people make are for their individual and community benefit, but it seems the media and social media narrative regarding it is that the community is incapable of discussing or making decisions as adults.

Im not an antivaxer, if/when my time comes I'll stick my arm out for the Oxford/Astra Zenaca vaccine(only).

Yep . Me too . So will my kids . But the conversation around how safe the vaccines are needs to be had . Especially if some unforeseen side effect rears it’s ugly head in the future .

Yep the binary new normal of discussing issues seems a pathway to destruction . But it’s full steam ahead . It’s fine when you have intelligent people in charge . As either way , you know the whole thing won’t implode , even though some of the issues you find more pertinent arnt addressed or the opposite policy is taken.
But what happens with Bollisaro , Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon etc these lunatic types . Who only care about corruption to expand thier bank account . When they are given the power . Then we are railing foreseeably against someone or for someone who has us on the bullet train to our own oblivion.
This last year surely is a warning that we need to change the ways we see things , but with Qanon , BLM , Wall Street bets , it’s only going to get worse . I honestly think a lot of people want to watch the world burn and figure it out again , after the fires die down .

 

[mike]

There is a virus killing people. It’s not up for discussion. To discuss otherwise is endangering lives. We are in the fortunate position that most of Australia aren’t morons.


Sure, but where do you draw the line and who decides to draw that line? Take my recent to and fro with Earl here (no I dont want to reignite it). I was discussing the Lab Leak Hypothesis. Now to some, including Earl, it may seem like a conspiracy but there is actually very good science backing it up ( and the WHO are currently making a sham investigation into it as we speak). I admit that it is a slippery slope to "an intentional weaponised release" or "COVID does not exist", but IMO the problem with censorship is always the question of who gets to decide on what the boundary is.

Yes and your to and fro with Earl was not censored. Why? Probably because you were actually trying to legitimately debate a point and not just posting links to articles littered with deliberate misinformation by people with clear agendas and accompanying the links with baseless comments that were insensitive to others.
They weren't trying to debate or understand anything, just spread misinformation and then, in accordance with their playbook, spout off about free speech and seek to claim the victimhood mantle when anyone was critical of the content they posted.

You've nailed it Nelson.

These people were just using this forum as a platform to spread dangerous misinformation. They were asked to stop and didn't. At no stage were they engaged in a legitimate exchange of views with other forum members (in my opinion). They were simply abusing the privilege of being on this forum.

I don't see it as censorship. I don't think this is the forum for that sort of ratbag behaviour (regardless of the thread subject) and I applaud the mods for clearing them off.

But doesn't having one iota of common sense come into it ...let them speak junk ...and if you don't agree ..foe them ..it's like when the Mormons come to the front door ...you can ignore them ...or you can try and make them see where they are possibly wrong ...choice and free speech is exactly that ....True ??

Up to a point Happy T.

I wasn't personally bothered by them. The ratbags are pretty easy to recognise and I never engage with them. I don't respond to them and I don't debate with them because there is no point.

But coronavirus is a real crisis for our global community. It's a life or death issue not an issue about whether Moses Mbye or Daine Laurie would be better playing fullback. Our success in Australia at containing this disease has been largely as a result of the Australian community adopting a responsible attitude towards it. Then you have these idiots, utilising our forum, to undermine that by pedalling their misinformation.

Free speech is a right, but with all rights come responsibilities. The people pedalling this rubbish are being irresponsible so I don't have the same issues around curtailing their right free speech on a subject such as this, as I might do on other subjects.

Lots of people will disagree with me on that. For lots of people "free speech" is an absolute given which cannot be controverted. I think if you aren't being responsible in your use of free speech then you forgo your rights.

Again history will prove them wrong .....I still think if everyone Foed them they'd be arguing with themselves ......again your own common sense and reasoning then takes over ...if you can't use those things you probably shouldn't be getting involved in this thread ...accountable for your own thoughts / opinions ...is it really worth getting overly upset about it ??


The three people I had foe'd are now banned. Well done mods.

Didn't you tell me you Foed Geo in that thread .....

Nah, but you came close !!!

 

[Tiger5150]

>So many people just dismiss they opposing view , no matter whether the person put a lot of thought into it. You’re a lefty , do gooder from the right , and your a racist bogan from the left . Both wanting the other side silenced . I know it’s not really relevant to this , but I personally worry when I see this stuff .

This polarising binary of speech now removes all nuance from discussions. IMO it is a consequence of the politicisation of everything (particulary in the US), red team v blue team.

COVID vaccines are the perfect example. Its either the VACCINE IS PROVEN TO BE SAFE or the only other response is YOU SHOULD NOT TAKE THE VACCINE ANTIVAX view. Neither side of this binary is correct or tells the whole story. The vaccines are not proven to be safe, there has been no longitudinal studies done on the safety of them, but they have been proven (within acceptable parameters) to be safe in the short term. The choices people make are for their individual and community benefit, but it seems the media and social media narrative regarding it is that the community is incapable of discussing or making decisions as adults.

Im not an antivaxer, if/when my time comes I'll stick my arm out for the Oxford/Astra Zenaca vaccine(only).

Yep . Me too . So will my kids . But the conversation around how safe the vaccines are needs to be had . Especially if some unforeseen side effect rears it’s ugly head in the future .

I dont think kids will get any vaccines for COVID. They are not vaccinating kids in the US and with the epidemiology of this virus, it doesnt really serve a purpose. IMO they will use a top down approach (oldest/most at risk) and probably reach sufficient herd immunity before needing to vaccinate kids. If kids get it they dont seem to get sick with it and are not efficient spreaders. If the majority of the adult pop is vaccinated, I cant see the need to vaccinate kids.

 

[mike]

>So many people just dismiss they opposing view , no matter whether the person put a lot of thought into it. You’re a lefty , do gooder from the right , and your a racist bogan from the left . Both wanting the other side silenced . I know it’s not really relevant to this , but I personally worry when I see this stuff .

This polarising binary of speech now removes all nuance from discussions. IMO it is a consequence of the politicisation of everything (particulary in the US), red team v blue team.

COVID vaccines are the perfect example. Its either the VACCINE IS PROVEN TO BE SAFE or the only other response is YOU SHOULD NOT TAKE THE VACCINE ANTIVAX view. Neither side of this binary is correct or tells the whole story. The vaccines are not proven to be safe, there has been no longitudinal studies done on the safety of them, but they have been proven (within acceptable parameters) to be safe in the short term. The choices people make are for their individual and community benefit, but it seems the media and social media narrative regarding it is that the community is incapable of discussing or making decisions as adults.

Im not an antivaxer, if/when my time comes I'll stick my arm out for the Oxford/Astra Zenaca vaccine(only).

Yep . Me too . So will my kids . But the conversation around how safe the vaccines are needs to be had . Especially if some unforeseen side effect rears it’s ugly head in the future .

Yep the binary new normal of discussing issues seems a pathway to destruction . But it’s full steam ahead . It’s fine when you have intelligent people in charge . As either way , you know the whole thing won’t implode , even though some of the issues you find more pertinent arnt addressed or the opposite policy is taken.
But what happens with Bollisaro , Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon etc these lunatic types . Who only care about corruption to expand thier bank account . When they are given the power . Then we are railing foreseeably against someone or for someone who has us on the bullet train to our own oblivion.
This last year surely is a warning that we need to change the ways we see things , but with Qanon , BLM , Wall Street bets , it’s only going to get worse . I honestly think a lot of people want to watch the world burn and figure it out again , after the fires die down .

Pure capitalism is fatal, pure socialism is fatal its hard to get the right balance.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

>So many people just dismiss they opposing view , no matter whether the person put a lot of thought into it. You’re a lefty , do gooder from the right , and your a racist bogan from the left . Both wanting the other side silenced . I know it’s not really relevant to this , but I personally worry when I see this stuff .

This polarising binary of speech now removes all nuance from discussions. IMO it is a consequence of the politicisation of everything (particulary in the US), red team v blue team.

COVID vaccines are the perfect example. Its either the VACCINE IS PROVEN TO BE SAFE or the only other response is YOU SHOULD NOT TAKE THE VACCINE ANTIVAX view. Neither side of this binary is correct or tells the whole story. The vaccines are not proven to be safe, there has been no longitudinal studies done on the safety of them, but they have been proven (within acceptable parameters) to be safe in the short term. The choices people make are for their individual and community benefit, but it seems the media and social media narrative regarding it is that the community is incapable of discussing or making decisions as adults.

Im not an antivaxer, if/when my time comes I'll stick my arm out for the Oxford/Astra Zenaca vaccine(only).

Yep . Me too . So will my kids . But the conversation around how safe the vaccines are needs to be had . Especially if some unforeseen side effect rears it’s ugly head in the future .

Yep the binary new normal of discussing issues seems a pathway to destruction . But it’s full steam ahead . It’s fine when you have intelligent people in charge . As either way , you know the whole thing won’t implode , even though some of the issues you find more pertinent arnt addressed or the opposite policy is taken.
But what happens with Bollisaro , Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon etc these lunatic types . Who only care about corruption to expand thier bank account . When they are given the power . Then we are railing foreseeably against someone or for someone who has us on the bullet train to our own oblivion.
This last year surely is a warning that we need to change the ways we see things , but with Qanon , BLM , Wall Street bets , it’s only going to get worse . I honestly think a lot of people want to watch the world burn and figure it out again , after the fires die down .

Pure capitalism is fatal, pure socialism is fatal is hard to get the right balance.

I think we do a pretty good job . It’s cool to have stuff , but the more we adopt Americanism . The more our society will crumble . We need to temper that .

 

[Deleted member 3518]

>So many people just dismiss they opposing view , no matter whether the person put a lot of thought into it. You’re a lefty , do gooder from the right , and your a racist bogan from the left . Both wanting the other side silenced . I know it’s not really relevant to this , but I personally worry when I see this stuff .

This polarising binary of speech now removes all nuance from discussions. IMO it is a consequence of the politicisation of everything (particulary in the US), red team v blue team.

COVID vaccines are the perfect example. Its either the VACCINE IS PROVEN TO BE SAFE or the only other response is YOU SHOULD NOT TAKE THE VACCINE ANTIVAX view. Neither side of this binary is correct or tells the whole story. The vaccines are not proven to be safe, there has been no longitudinal studies done on the safety of them, but they have been proven (within acceptable parameters) to be safe in the short term. The choices people make are for their individual and community benefit, but it seems the media and social media narrative regarding it is that the community is incapable of discussing or making decisions as adults.

Im not an antivaxer, if/when my time comes I'll stick my arm out for the Oxford/Astra Zenaca vaccine(only).

Yep . Me too . So will my kids . But the conversation around how safe the vaccines are needs to be had . Especially if some unforeseen side effect rears it’s ugly head in the future .


I dont think kids will get any vaccines for COVID. They are not vaccinating kids in the US and with the epidemiology of this virus, it doesnt really serve a purpose. IMO they will use a top down approach (oldest/most at risk) and probably reach sufficient herd immunity before needing to vaccinate kids. If kids get it they dont seem to get sick with it and are not efficient spreaders. If the majority of the adult pop is vaccinated, I cant see the need to vaccinate kids.

I didn’t know that . Makes sense really . I just thought due to how they spend a lot of thier days in extreme proximity to each other , they would try and nullify the so called super carriers . But whatever .