Coronavirus Outbreak

[gregjm87]

I cant get over what I just heard Scomo announce.

From a date in the near future, they will no longer track or report COVID case numbers. It will be just like the Flu and they will treat it like the flu.

What the hell? We have 8% fully vaccinated. What the hell has changed?

UK is doing the same as well.
Singapore also.


It actually makes sense there, they 60-70 vax rates and at some stage they do have to go on like normal.

I'll tell you what doesnt make sense. In the UK, they have 85% of the population at least partially vaccinated, 65% fully. 150K vaccinated a day. With 85% vaccinated, they are getting 28K new cases A DAY! 150K over the last week which is up by 72%. 22 deaths per day which is up 11%. Why are all these going up with 85% vaccination.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Now they are announcing that they arent going to record or report case numbers and treat it like the flu. Its almost like the vaccines arent working like they expected and arent keen on proving it?


under 50% - just


What is under 50%?

IF you are talking about vaccinations, the UK Govt site has it at 63% fully (two shots) and 85% partially

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


partial is a poor measure mate, you know that

you also know what under 50% is


No I dont know what is under 50%. I was completely open about 63% & 85% in my first post.


first vaccine doesn't count


Mate.....firstly, I was completely open and honest in my first post, I specifically said 85% partial and 63% fully.

Secondly, who says it doesnt count. Are you suggesting you have zero immunity after one shot?

Herd immunity for this virus was estimated at 60% (clearly wrong for a variety of important reasons).

NHS quotes 33m of a 66m population for 2 diese. Your stats are wrong.

One shot gives about 66% immunity.

Your stats are wrong mate. So your argument is wrong.


Mate, first of all.....I didnt make an argument at all. I actually asked a question.

Secondly, my stats are NOT wrong and they come from the UK Govt, you know, the same place as the NHS. You do realise that 66M population includes babies and children that are not appropriate to be vaccinated?

So one shot give 66% immunity, how much does two shots give?

Depends on what they get for the % 92/96 or more for a combo. Choose what you want. 92 is AZ. Since you don’t quote any stats sources. Look it up yourself.

Your stats are wrong mate. They do suit your “questions” though.

Post your references mate. It’s sounds tinfoil for 80odd % anywhere I look

Your post doesn’t come across as a genuine question BTW


Third, I genuinely try to be gracious in these threads and take people on good faith because I understand that many people have strong opinions one way and the other and I also understand and acknowledge that on these subject people can post spurious data and some people have a kneejerk reaction to oppose them.

I am done being gracious with you. Your implications that I am making up stats to "suit my questions", your statement that my assertations are "tinfoil" and telling me I'm not genuine, disqualify me being gracious with you and I will no longer take you on good faith.

Since I posted the question about how the hell the UK daily case rates, daily deaths and hospitalisations continue to skyrocket with such high vaccination rates, ***I HAVE POSTED THE SOURCE OF THE DATA TWICE!!!!!!*** Here you go for the third time.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

They are the UK Govt offical data, the same as the NHS.

Now if I had any respect for your capacity to engage in an intellectual discussion in good faith based on truth and data, I would ask you the question of how a population with 85% of the adult population with 66% immunity and 63% with 92% immunity has over 27000 daily new cases (up 74%) from last week, has 27 deaths a day at the moment (up 11% but will lag by at least 24 days) and 300 hospitalisations a day in apopulation less than 3 times Aus?

But I dont have any respect for you, so go scream at windmills with what ever it is you are imagining and leave the converation for the adults.

So British population is 68.25million.
- about 20% for under 18= 54.6million adult population.

So 15% unvaccinated = 8 190 000
+ 8% of the 63% fully vaccinated 2 751 840
+ 34% of the remaining 12% vaccinated 4 804 080
= 15 745 920 susceptible to Covid.

Daily new cases of 27000 (0.17%) of 15 745 920
If the latest strains are as contagious as reported the numbers seems fairly logical for a population that is no longer under any lockdown restrictions (as far as i know) and has a fairly high population density.

Additionally, (not that ive followed it closely) from what i can see (from the little i skimmed in Scholar) Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) has not been successful in any preliminary trials. Admittedly it was shown promising in testing in infected monkey cells but only at a dosage considered too dangerous to administer. Have you any links to suggest otherwise.

Not meaning to sound disrespectful with this post would genuinely like to know as everything Government reported generally seems to add up to me. But its been a while since i last read a journal article and never worked in any scientific field.

 

[Tiger5150]

I cant get over what I just heard Scomo announce.

From a date in the near future, they will no longer track or report COVID case numbers. It will be just like the Flu and they will treat it like the flu.

What the hell? We have 8% fully vaccinated. What the hell has changed?

UK is doing the same as well.
Singapore also.


It actually makes sense there, they 60-70 vax rates and at some stage they do have to go on like normal.

I'll tell you what doesnt make sense. In the UK, they have 85% of the population at least partially vaccinated, 65% fully. 150K vaccinated a day. With 85% vaccinated, they are getting 28K new cases A DAY! 150K over the last week which is up by 72%. 22 deaths per day which is up 11%. Why are all these going up with 85% vaccination.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Now they are announcing that they arent going to record or report case numbers and treat it like the flu. Its almost like the vaccines arent working like they expected and arent keen on proving it?


under 50% - just


What is under 50%?

IF you are talking about vaccinations, the UK Govt site has it at 63% fully (two shots) and 85% partially

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


partial is a poor measure mate, you know that

you also know what under 50% is


No I dont know what is under 50%. I was completely open about 63% & 85% in my first post.


first vaccine doesn't count


Mate.....firstly, I was completely open and honest in my first post, I specifically said 85% partial and 63% fully.

Secondly, who says it doesnt count. Are you suggesting you have zero immunity after one shot?

Herd immunity for this virus was estimated at 60% (clearly wrong for a variety of important reasons).

NHS quotes 33m of a 66m population for 2 diese. Your stats are wrong.

One shot gives about 66% immunity.

Your stats are wrong mate. So your argument is wrong.


Mate, first of all.....I didnt make an argument at all. I actually asked a question.

Secondly, my stats are NOT wrong and they come from the UK Govt, you know, the same place as the NHS. You do realise that 66M population includes babies and children that are not appropriate to be vaccinated?

So one shot give 66% immunity, how much does two shots give?

Depends on what they get for the % 92/96 or more for a combo. Choose what you want. 92 is AZ. Since you don’t quote any stats sources. Look it up yourself.

Your stats are wrong mate. They do suit your “questions” though.

Post your references mate. It’s sounds tinfoil for 80odd % anywhere I look

Your post doesn’t come across as a genuine question BTW


Third, I genuinely try to be gracious in these threads and take people on good faith because I understand that many people have strong opinions one way and the other and I also understand and acknowledge that on these subject people can post spurious data and some people have a kneejerk reaction to oppose them.

I am done being gracious with you. Your implications that I am making up stats to "suit my questions", your statement that my assertations are "tinfoil" and telling me I'm not genuine, disqualify me being gracious with you and I will no longer take you on good faith.

Since I posted the question about how the hell the UK daily case rates, daily deaths and hospitalisations continue to skyrocket with such high vaccination rates, ***I HAVE POSTED THE SOURCE OF THE DATA TWICE!!!!!!*** Here you go for the third time.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

They are the UK Govt offical data, the same as the NHS.

Now if I had any respect for your capacity to engage in an intellectual discussion in good faith based on truth and data, I would ask you the question of how a population with 85% of the adult population with 66% immunity and 63% with 92% immunity has over 27000 daily new cases (up 74%) from last week, has 27 deaths a day at the moment (up 11% but will lag by at least 24 days) and 300 hospitalisations a day in apopulation less than 3 times Aus?

But I dont have any respect for you, so go scream at windmills with what ever it is you are imagining and leave the converation for the adults.

So British population is 68.25million.
- about 20% for under 18= 54.6million adult population.

So 15% unvaccinated = 8 190 000
+ 8% of the 63% fully vaccinated 2 751 840
+ 34% of the remaining 12% vaccinated 4 804 080
= 15 745 920 susceptible to Covid.

Daily new cases of 27000 (0.17%) of 15 745 920
If the latest strains are as contagious as reported the numbers seems fairly logical for a population that is no longer under any lockdown restrictions (as far as i know) and has a fairly high population density.

Im not arguing with your maths, but I do disagree with you that 27000 a day seems right. Firstly, they are under Step 3 Restrictions (not unlike ours)
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/covid-19-coronavirus-restrictions-what-you-can-and-cannot-do
Secondly, an unvaccinated susceptible population of 15M is not that much less than what we have here and we have never have had over 750 a day, a lot less than 27000. Can you imagine having 27000 new cases a day?

Thirdly, why would case be increasing at over 70% per week, now with between 63-85% of the population vaccinated?

Im not suggesting answers, but I definitely dont think those numbers look good, and I would be expecting them to look a lot better with those vaccination rates.

Additionally, (not that ive followed it closely) from what i can see (from the little i skimmed in Scholar) Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) has not been successful in any preliminary trials. Admittedly it was shown promising in testing in infected monkey cells but only at a dosage considered too dangerous to administer. Have you any links to suggest otherwise.


There are a stack of studies and trials, over 60 studies, by 549 Authors on 18931 patients.....no monkeys.

Last month a peer reviewed meta analysis was published by the American Journal of Therapeutics that shows that Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) has between 79-91% effictiveness as a prophylactic with 95% statistical confidence and is also a very effective 85% improvement as an early intervention treatment. Late intervention is less successful.

https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Abstract/9000/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.98040.aspx
Make sure you expand the full analysis (PDF)

Additionally there is a "realtime" Meta Analysis that is constantly updated here https://ivmmeta.com/

This page lists all of the clinical trials so far on Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) including constraints and limitations.
https://c19ivermectin.com/

Not meaning to sound disrespectful with this post would genuinely like to know as everything Government reported generally seems to add up to me. But its been a while since i last read a journal article and never worked in any scientific field.

All good

 

[Tim Sheens]

So according to this lady, the virus has found it's way into an aged care facility again in NSW.

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[gregjm87]

I cant get over what I just heard Scomo announce.

From a date in the near future, they will no longer track or report COVID case numbers. It will be just like the Flu and they will treat it like the flu.

What the hell? We have 8% fully vaccinated. What the hell has changed?

UK is doing the same as well.
Singapore also.


It actually makes sense there, they 60-70 vax rates and at some stage they do have to go on like normal.

I'll tell you what doesnt make sense. In the UK, they have 85% of the population at least partially vaccinated, 65% fully. 150K vaccinated a day. With 85% vaccinated, they are getting 28K new cases A DAY! 150K over the last week which is up by 72%. 22 deaths per day which is up 11%. Why are all these going up with 85% vaccination.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Now they are announcing that they arent going to record or report case numbers and treat it like the flu. Its almost like the vaccines arent working like they expected and arent keen on proving it?


under 50% - just


What is under 50%?

IF you are talking about vaccinations, the UK Govt site has it at 63% fully (two shots) and 85% partially

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


partial is a poor measure mate, you know that

you also know what under 50% is


No I dont know what is under 50%. I was completely open about 63% & 85% in my first post.


first vaccine doesn't count


Mate.....firstly, I was completely open and honest in my first post, I specifically said 85% partial and 63% fully.

Secondly, who says it doesnt count. Are you suggesting you have zero immunity after one shot?

Herd immunity for this virus was estimated at 60% (clearly wrong for a variety of important reasons).

NHS quotes 33m of a 66m population for 2 diese. Your stats are wrong.

One shot gives about 66% immunity.

Your stats are wrong mate. So your argument is wrong.


Mate, first of all.....I didnt make an argument at all. I actually asked a question.

Secondly, my stats are NOT wrong and they come from the UK Govt, you know, the same place as the NHS. You do realise that 66M population includes babies and children that are not appropriate to be vaccinated?

So one shot give 66% immunity, how much does two shots give?

Depends on what they get for the % 92/96 or more for a combo. Choose what you want. 92 is AZ. Since you don’t quote any stats sources. Look it up yourself.

Your stats are wrong mate. They do suit your “questions” though.

Post your references mate. It’s sounds tinfoil for 80odd % anywhere I look

Your post doesn’t come across as a genuine question BTW


Third, I genuinely try to be gracious in these threads and take people on good faith because I understand that many people have strong opinions one way and the other and I also understand and acknowledge that on these subject people can post spurious data and some people have a kneejerk reaction to oppose them.

I am done being gracious with you. Your implications that I am making up stats to "suit my questions", your statement that my assertations are "tinfoil" and telling me I'm not genuine, disqualify me being gracious with you and I will no longer take you on good faith.

Since I posted the question about how the hell the UK daily case rates, daily deaths and hospitalisations continue to skyrocket with such high vaccination rates, ***I HAVE POSTED THE SOURCE OF THE DATA TWICE!!!!!!*** Here you go for the third time.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

They are the UK Govt offical data, the same as the NHS.

Now if I had any respect for your capacity to engage in an intellectual discussion in good faith based on truth and data, I would ask you the question of how a population with 85% of the adult population with 66% immunity and 63% with 92% immunity has over 27000 daily new cases (up 74%) from last week, has 27 deaths a day at the moment (up 11% but will lag by at least 24 days) and 300 hospitalisations a day in apopulation less than 3 times Aus?

But I dont have any respect for you, so go scream at windmills with what ever it is you are imagining and leave the converation for the adults.

So British population is 68.25million.
- about 20% for under 18= 54.6million adult population.

So 15% unvaccinated = 8 190 000
+ 8% of the 63% fully vaccinated 2 751 840
+ 34% of the remaining 12% vaccinated 4 804 080
= 15 745 920 susceptible to Covid.

Daily new cases of 27000 (0.17%) of 15 745 920
If the latest strains are as contagious as reported the numbers seems fairly logical for a population that is no longer under any lockdown restrictions (as far as i know) and has a fairly high population density.

Im not arguing with your maths, but I do disagree with you that 27000 a day seems right. Firstly, they are under Step 3 Restrictions (not unlike ours)
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/covid-19-coronavirus-restrictions-what-you-can-and-cannot-do
Secondly, an unvaccinated susceptible population of 15M is not that much less than what we have here and we have never have had over 750 a day, a lot less than 27000. Can you imagine having 27000 new cases a day?

Thirdly, why would case be increasing at over 70% per week, now with between 63-85% of the population vaccinated?

Im not suggesting answers, but I definitely dont think those numbers look good, and I would be expecting them to look a lot better with those vaccination rates.

Additionally, (not that ive followed it closely) from what i can see (from the little i skimmed in Scholar) Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) has not been successful in any preliminary trials. Admittedly it was shown promising in testing in infected monkey cells but only at a dosage considered too dangerous to administer. Have you any links to suggest otherwise.


There are a stack of studies and trials, over 60 studies, by 549 Authors on 18931 patients.....no monkeys.

Last month a peer reviewed meta analysis was published by the American Journal of Therapeutics that shows that Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) has between 79-91% effictiveness as a prophylactic with 95% statistical confidence and is also a very effective 85% improvement as an early intervention treatment. Late intervention is less successful.

https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Abstract/9000/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.98040.aspx
Make sure you expand the full analysis (PDF)

Additionally there is a "realtime" Meta Analysis that is constantly updated here https://ivmmeta.com/

This page lists all of the clinical trials so far on Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) including constraints and limitations.
https://c19ivermectin.com/

Not meaning to sound disrespectful with this post would genuinely like to know as everything Government reported generally seems to add up to me. But its been a while since i last read a journal article and never worked in any scientific field.

All good

Thanks for the info. Will have a read through some of it now.

Sorry, i wasnt aware of their restrictions, id just heard about how they now have sports crowds and seen some posts by a couple Poms i follow about lockout over and assumed there was no longer restrictions.
Whilst those numbers are still crazy high to genuinely comprehend, it was more without restrictions (which i was obviously wrong about) and with a much higher prevalence as their starting point they didnt seem that dramatic. But with restrictions in place they do seem excessive.

 

[Tiger5150]

I cant get over what I just heard Scomo announce.

From a date in the near future, they will no longer track or report COVID case numbers. It will be just like the Flu and they will treat it like the flu.

What the hell? We have 8% fully vaccinated. What the hell has changed?

UK is doing the same as well.
Singapore also.


It actually makes sense there, they 60-70 vax rates and at some stage they do have to go on like normal.

I'll tell you what doesnt make sense. In the UK, they have 85% of the population at least partially vaccinated, 65% fully. 150K vaccinated a day. With 85% vaccinated, they are getting 28K new cases A DAY! 150K over the last week which is up by 72%. 22 deaths per day which is up 11%. Why are all these going up with 85% vaccination.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Now they are announcing that they arent going to record or report case numbers and treat it like the flu. Its almost like the vaccines arent working like they expected and arent keen on proving it?


under 50% - just


What is under 50%?

IF you are talking about vaccinations, the UK Govt site has it at 63% fully (two shots) and 85% partially

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


partial is a poor measure mate, you know that

you also know what under 50% is


No I dont know what is under 50%. I was completely open about 63% & 85% in my first post.


first vaccine doesn't count


Mate.....firstly, I was completely open and honest in my first post, I specifically said 85% partial and 63% fully.

Secondly, who says it doesnt count. Are you suggesting you have zero immunity after one shot?

Herd immunity for this virus was estimated at 60% (clearly wrong for a variety of important reasons).

NHS quotes 33m of a 66m population for 2 diese. Your stats are wrong.

One shot gives about 66% immunity.

Your stats are wrong mate. So your argument is wrong.


Mate, first of all.....I didnt make an argument at all. I actually asked a question.

Secondly, my stats are NOT wrong and they come from the UK Govt, you know, the same place as the NHS. You do realise that 66M population includes babies and children that are not appropriate to be vaccinated?

So one shot give 66% immunity, how much does two shots give?

Depends on what they get for the % 92/96 or more for a combo. Choose what you want. 92 is AZ. Since you don’t quote any stats sources. Look it up yourself.

Your stats are wrong mate. They do suit your “questions” though.

Post your references mate. It’s sounds tinfoil for 80odd % anywhere I look

Your post doesn’t come across as a genuine question BTW


Third, I genuinely try to be gracious in these threads and take people on good faith because I understand that many people have strong opinions one way and the other and I also understand and acknowledge that on these subject people can post spurious data and some people have a kneejerk reaction to oppose them.

I am done being gracious with you. Your implications that I am making up stats to "suit my questions", your statement that my assertations are "tinfoil" and telling me I'm not genuine, disqualify me being gracious with you and I will no longer take you on good faith.

Since I posted the question about how the hell the UK daily case rates, daily deaths and hospitalisations continue to skyrocket with such high vaccination rates, ***I HAVE POSTED THE SOURCE OF THE DATA TWICE!!!!!!*** Here you go for the third time.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

They are the UK Govt offical data, the same as the NHS.

Now if I had any respect for your capacity to engage in an intellectual discussion in good faith based on truth and data, I would ask you the question of how a population with 85% of the adult population with 66% immunity and 63% with 92% immunity has over 27000 daily new cases (up 74%) from last week, has 27 deaths a day at the moment (up 11% but will lag by at least 24 days) and 300 hospitalisations a day in apopulation less than 3 times Aus?

But I dont have any respect for you, so go scream at windmills with what ever it is you are imagining and leave the converation for the adults.

So British population is 68.25million.
- about 20% for under 18= 54.6million adult population.

So 15% unvaccinated = 8 190 000
+ 8% of the 63% fully vaccinated 2 751 840
+ 34% of the remaining 12% vaccinated 4 804 080
= 15 745 920 susceptible to Covid.

Daily new cases of 27000 (0.17%) of 15 745 920
If the latest strains are as contagious as reported the numbers seems fairly logical for a population that is no longer under any lockdown restrictions (as far as i know) and has a fairly high population density.

Im not arguing with your maths, but I do disagree with you that 27000 a day seems right. Firstly, they are under Step 3 Restrictions (not unlike ours)
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/covid-19-coronavirus-restrictions-what-you-can-and-cannot-do
Secondly, an unvaccinated susceptible population of 15M is not that much less than what we have here and we have never have had over 750 a day, a lot less than 27000. Can you imagine having 27000 new cases a day?

Thirdly, why would case be increasing at over 70% per week, now with between 63-85% of the population vaccinated?

Im not suggesting answers, but I definitely dont think those numbers look good, and I would be expecting them to look a lot better with those vaccination rates.

Additionally, (not that ive followed it closely) from what i can see (from the little i skimmed in Scholar) Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) has not been successful in any preliminary trials. Admittedly it was shown promising in testing in infected monkey cells but only at a dosage considered too dangerous to administer. Have you any links to suggest otherwise.


There are a stack of studies and trials, over 60 studies, by 549 Authors on 18931 patients.....no monkeys.

Last month a peer reviewed meta analysis was published by the American Journal of Therapeutics that shows that Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) has between 79-91% effictiveness as a prophylactic with 95% statistical confidence and is also a very effective 85% improvement as an early intervention treatment. Late intervention is less successful.

https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Abstract/9000/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.98040.aspx
Make sure you expand the full analysis (PDF)

Additionally there is a "realtime" Meta Analysis that is constantly updated here https://ivmmeta.com/

This page lists all of the clinical trials so far on Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) including constraints and limitations.
https://c19ivermectin.com/

Not meaning to sound disrespectful with this post would genuinely like to know as everything Government reported generally seems to add up to me. But its been a while since i last read a journal article and never worked in any scientific field.

All good

Thanks for the info. Will have a read through some of it now.

Sorry, i wasnt aware of their restrictions, id just heard about how they now have sports crowds and seen some posts by a couple Poms i follow about lockout over and assumed there was no longer restrictions.
Whilst those numbers are still crazy high to genuinely comprehend, it was more without restrictions (which i was obviously wrong about) and with a much higher prevalence as their starting point they didnt seem that dramatic. But with restrictions in place they do seem excessive.

Seems very excessive to me. They are back to daily case numbers starting to approach the peaks of 6 months ago, under restrictions, in the middle of summer with 63-85% of the adult population vaccinated.

Source Worldometers

 

[Demps]

Man, taking a moment to shout out @Tiger5150
Who has been dropping some serious knowledge in this thread.

It's been a pleasure to read.
Some real insightful posts.

I'm too busy to follow the news every day but this has been keeping me in the loop.

My work mentioned we're waiting on further guidance from the government however it could be mandatory for staff to get injections. I am not stoked about that because I am not an anti vaxxer by any means but I've never had the flu vacc and only really had the basic jabs in the past required for some international travel. I feel my immune system has been good and never let me down over the years, rarely get sick. I was hoping I could slide with not having a covid vac but we'll see.

But anyone reading this post, I can highly recommend browsing this thread and reading @Tiger5150 posts and then doing some of your own research if needed.

 

[BAGNF05]

I cant get over what I just heard Scomo announce.

From a date in the near future, they will no longer track or report COVID case numbers. It will be just like the Flu and they will treat it like the flu.

What the hell? We have 8% fully vaccinated. What the hell has changed?

UK is doing the same as well.
Singapore also.


It actually makes sense there, they 60-70 vax rates and at some stage they do have to go on like normal.

I'll tell you what doesnt make sense. In the UK, they have 85% of the population at least partially vaccinated, 65% fully. 150K vaccinated a day. With 85% vaccinated, they are getting 28K new cases A DAY! 150K over the last week which is up by 72%. 22 deaths per day which is up 11%. Why are all these going up with 85% vaccination.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Now they are announcing that they arent going to record or report case numbers and treat it like the flu. Its almost like the vaccines arent working like they expected and arent keen on proving it?


under 50% - just


What is under 50%?

IF you are talking about vaccinations, the UK Govt site has it at 63% fully (two shots) and 85% partially

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


partial is a poor measure mate, you know that

you also know what under 50% is


No I dont know what is under 50%. I was completely open about 63% & 85% in my first post.


first vaccine doesn't count


Mate.....firstly, I was completely open and honest in my first post, I specifically said 85% partial and 63% fully.

Secondly, who says it doesnt count. Are you suggesting you have zero immunity after one shot?

Herd immunity for this virus was estimated at 60% (clearly wrong for a variety of important reasons).

NHS quotes 33m of a 66m population for 2 diese. Your stats are wrong.

One shot gives about 66% immunity.

Your stats are wrong mate. So your argument is wrong.


Mate, first of all.....I didnt make an argument at all. I actually asked a question.

Secondly, my stats are NOT wrong and they come from the UK Govt, you know, the same place as the NHS. You do realise that 66M population includes babies and children that are not appropriate to be vaccinated?

So one shot give 66% immunity, how much does two shots give?

Depends on what they get for the % 92/96 or more for a combo. Choose what you want. 92 is AZ. Since you don’t quote any stats sources. Look it up yourself.

Your stats are wrong mate. They do suit your “questions” though.

Post your references mate. It’s sounds tinfoil for 80odd % anywhere I look

Your post doesn’t come across as a genuine question BTW


Third, I genuinely try to be gracious in these threads and take people on good faith because I understand that many people have strong opinions one way and the other and I also understand and acknowledge that on these subject people can post spurious data and some people have a kneejerk reaction to oppose them.

I am done being gracious with you. Your implications that I am making up stats to "suit my questions", your statement that my assertations are "tinfoil" and telling me I'm not genuine, disqualify me being gracious with you and I will no longer take you on good faith.

Since I posted the question about how the hell the UK daily case rates, daily deaths and hospitalisations continue to skyrocket with such high vaccination rates, ***I HAVE POSTED THE SOURCE OF THE DATA TWICE!!!!!!*** Here you go for the third time.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

They are the UK Govt offical data, the same as the NHS.

Now if I had any respect for your capacity to engage in an intellectual discussion in good faith based on truth and data, I would ask you the question of how a population with 85% of the adult population with 66% immunity and 63% with 92% immunity has over 27000 daily new cases (up 74%) from last week, has 27 deaths a day at the moment (up 11% but will lag by at least 24 days) and 300 hospitalisations a day in apopulation less than 3 times Aus?

But I dont have any respect for you, so go scream at windmills with what ever it is you are imagining and leave the converation for the adults.

So British population is 68.25million.
- about 20% for under 18= 54.6million adult population.

So 15% unvaccinated = 8 190 000
+ 8% of the 63% fully vaccinated 2 751 840
+ 34% of the remaining 12% vaccinated 4 804 080
= 15 745 920 susceptible to Covid.

Daily new cases of 27000 (0.17%) of 15 745 920
If the latest strains are as contagious as reported the numbers seems fairly logical for a population that is no longer under any lockdown restrictions (as far as i know) and has a fairly high population density.

Im not arguing with your maths, but I do disagree with you that 27000 a day seems right. Firstly, they are under Step 3 Restrictions (not unlike ours)
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/covid-19-coronavirus-restrictions-what-you-can-and-cannot-do
Secondly, an unvaccinated susceptible population of 15M is not that much less than what we have here and we have never have had over 750 a day, a lot less than 27000. Can you imagine having 27000 new cases a day?

Thirdly, why would case be increasing at over 70% per week, now with between 63-85% of the population vaccinated?

Im not suggesting answers, but I definitely dont think those numbers look good, and I would be expecting them to look a lot better with those vaccination rates.

Additionally, (not that ive followed it closely) from what i can see (from the little i skimmed in Scholar) Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) has not been successful in any preliminary trials. Admittedly it was shown promising in testing in infected monkey cells but only at a dosage considered too dangerous to administer. Have you any links to suggest otherwise.


There are a stack of studies and trials, over 60 studies, by 549 Authors on 18931 patients.....no monkeys.

Last month a peer reviewed meta analysis was published by the American Journal of Therapeutics that shows that Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) has between 79-91% effictiveness as a prophylactic with 95% statistical confidence and is also a very effective 85% improvement as an early intervention treatment. Late intervention is less successful.

https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Abstract/9000/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.98040.aspx
Make sure you expand the full analysis (PDF)

Additionally there is a "realtime" Meta Analysis that is constantly updated here https://ivmmeta.com/

This page lists all of the clinical trials so far on Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) including constraints and limitations.
https://c19ivermectin.com/

Not meaning to sound disrespectful with this post would genuinely like to know as everything Government reported generally seems to add up to me. But its been a while since i last read a journal article and never worked in any scientific field.

All good

Thanks for the info. Will have a read through some of it now.

Sorry, i wasnt aware of their restrictions, id just heard about how they now have sports crowds and seen some posts by a couple Poms i follow about lockout over and assumed there was no longer restrictions.
Whilst those numbers are still crazy high to genuinely comprehend, it was more without restrictions (which i was obviously wrong about) and with a much higher prevalence as their starting point they didnt seem that dramatic. But with restrictions in place they do seem excessive.

People living in London are being encouraged to “go out and have a pint” to help in the economic recovery. I have family there and they can’t reconcile the contradiction having been locked down for so long.

 

[happy_tiger]

The longer the vaccine roll out takes ...the worst the virus can mutate into ......


1000% correct although i think that ship has sailed.

Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) is still available to give to the whole world whilst they wait for the vaccine, at almost zero risk.....


Up till this point in time I have basically scrolled through most anti jab type posts.
But now, the more I read about Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) the more I like the sound of it @Tiger5150 .
I've had my 1st AZ jab and am not really looking forward to having a 2nd jab...Pfizer maybe, but not AZ.
How do we obtain Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective)?

If you survived the first AZ jab there won’t be an issue with the 2nd.

If the Tigers win tomorrow that'll be enough proof for me that I have actually crossed over :grinning: .

We have been getting on lately so maybe there is a chance you have moved on to a better place 😉

Better place... Yes Cochise...my wife and I ignore each other now, so that's allowed me to see things in a different and better way.

If there is an afterlife I don't you and I will end up in the same place.

:question: :question: :question: Ok you've got me Cochise'
Why is that.

I'm a non believer mate, I'm destined for the basement.

No wonder we never win ......

 

[jadtiger]

The longer the vaccine roll out takes ...the worst the virus can mutate into ......


1000% correct although i think that ship has sailed.

Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) is still available to give to the whole world whilst they wait for the vaccine, at almost zero risk.....


Up till this point in time I have basically scrolled through most anti jab type posts.
But now, the more I read about Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) the more I like the sound of it @Tiger5150 .
I've had my 1st AZ jab and am not really looking forward to having a 2nd jab...Pfizer maybe, but not AZ.
How do we obtain Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective)?


You can find it online. But I wouldnt suggest you do this blindly.

I am talking to my doctor about it a couple of weeks. I suggest you do the same.

Cochise and yourself have suggested the same thing.
I had zero side effect from the 1st jab, so as you both suggested I will talk to my Dr. when I am due for my 2nd jab in late Aug.

For what its worth i would strongly suggest you talk to your doctor about the 2nd shot.I am far from an expert but will be having my 2nd AZ shot in about 5 weeks.I understand it is not a perfect solution but it is my best case scenario. There is an awful lot of misinformation surrounding the whole covid situation and has been from the begining.
Stay safe mate

 

[Radoush]

I cant get over what I just heard Scomo announce.

From a date in the near future, they will no longer track or report COVID case numbers. It will be just like the Flu and they will treat it like the flu.

What the hell? We have 8% fully vaccinated. What the hell has changed?

UK is doing the same as well.
Singapore also.


It actually makes sense there, they 60-70 vax rates and at some stage they do have to go on like normal.

I'll tell you what doesnt make sense. In the UK, they have 85% of the population at least partially vaccinated, 65% fully. 150K vaccinated a day. With 85% vaccinated, they are getting 28K new cases A DAY! 150K over the last week which is up by 72%. 22 deaths per day which is up 11%. Why are all these going up with 85% vaccination.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Now they are announcing that they arent going to record or report case numbers and treat it like the flu. Its almost like the vaccines arent working like they expected and arent keen on proving it?


under 50% - just


What is under 50%?

IF you are talking about vaccinations, the UK Govt site has it at 63% fully (two shots) and 85% partially

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


partial is a poor measure mate, you know that

you also know what under 50% is


No I dont know what is under 50%. I was completely open about 63% & 85% in my first post.


first vaccine doesn't count


Mate.....firstly, I was completely open and honest in my first post, I specifically said 85% partial and 63% fully.

Secondly, who says it doesnt count. Are you suggesting you have zero immunity after one shot?

Herd immunity for this virus was estimated at 60% (clearly wrong for a variety of important reasons).

NHS quotes 33m of a 66m population for 2 diese. Your stats are wrong.

One shot gives about 66% immunity.

Your stats are wrong mate. So your argument is wrong.


Mate, first of all.....I didnt make an argument at all. I actually asked a question.

Secondly, my stats are NOT wrong and they come from the UK Govt, you know, the same place as the NHS. You do realise that 66M population includes babies and children that are not appropriate to be vaccinated?

So one shot give 66% immunity, how much does two shots give?

Depends on what they get for the % 92/96 or more for a combo. Choose what you want. 92 is AZ. Since you don’t quote any stats sources. Look it up yourself.

Your stats are wrong mate. They do suit your “questions” though.

Post your references mate. It’s sounds tinfoil for 80odd % anywhere I look

Your post doesn’t come across as a genuine question BTW


Third, I genuinely try to be gracious in these threads and take people on good faith because I understand that many people have strong opinions one way and the other and I also understand and acknowledge that on these subject people can post spurious data and some people have a kneejerk reaction to oppose them.

I am done being gracious with you. Your implications that I am making up stats to "suit my questions", your statement that my assertations are "tinfoil" and telling me I'm not genuine, disqualify me being gracious with you and I will no longer take you on good faith.

Since I posted the question about how the hell the UK daily case rates, daily deaths and hospitalisations continue to skyrocket with such high vaccination rates, ***I HAVE POSTED THE SOURCE OF THE DATA TWICE!!!!!!*** Here you go for the third time.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

They are the UK Govt offical data, the same as the NHS.

Now if I had any respect for your capacity to engage in an intellectual discussion in good faith based on truth and data, I would ask you the question of how a population with 85% of the adult population with 66% immunity and 63% with 92% immunity has over 27000 daily new cases (up 74%) from last week, has 27 deaths a day at the moment (up 11% but will lag by at least 24 days) and 300 hospitalisations a day in apopulation less than 3 times Aus?

But I dont have any respect for you, so go scream at windmills with what ever it is you are imagining and leave the converation for the adults.

So British population is 68.25million.
- about 20% for under 18= 54.6million adult population.

So 15% unvaccinated = 8 190 000
+ 8% of the 63% fully vaccinated 2 751 840
+ 34% of the remaining 12% vaccinated 4 804 080
= 15 745 920 susceptible to Covid.

Daily new cases of 27000 (0.17%) of 15 745 920
If the latest strains are as contagious as reported the numbers seems fairly logical for a population that is no longer under any lockdown restrictions (as far as i know) and has a fairly high population density.

Im not arguing with your maths, but I do disagree with you that 27000 a day seems right. Firstly, they are under Step 3 Restrictions (not unlike ours)
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/covid-19-coronavirus-restrictions-what-you-can-and-cannot-do
Secondly, an unvaccinated susceptible population of 15M is not that much less than what we have here and we have never have had over 750 a day, a lot less than 27000. Can you imagine having 27000 new cases a day?

Thirdly, why would case be increasing at over 70% per week, now with between 63-85% of the population vaccinated?

Im not suggesting answers, but I definitely dont think those numbers look good, and I would be expecting them to look a lot better with those vaccination rates.

Additionally, (not that ive followed it closely) from what i can see (from the little i skimmed in Scholar) Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) has not been successful in any preliminary trials. Admittedly it was shown promising in testing in infected monkey cells but only at a dosage considered too dangerous to administer. Have you any links to suggest otherwise.


There are a stack of studies and trials, over 60 studies, by 549 Authors on 18931 patients.....no monkeys.

Last month a peer reviewed meta analysis was published by the American Journal of Therapeutics that shows that Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) has between 79-91% effictiveness as a prophylactic with 95% statistical confidence and is also a very effective 85% improvement as an early intervention treatment. Late intervention is less successful.

https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Abstract/9000/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.98040.aspx
Make sure you expand the full analysis (PDF)

Additionally there is a "realtime" Meta Analysis that is constantly updated here https://ivmmeta.com/

This page lists all of the clinical trials so far on Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) including constraints and limitations.
https://c19ivermectin.com/

Not meaning to sound disrespectful with this post would genuinely like to know as everything Government reported generally seems to add up to me. But its been a while since i last read a journal article and never worked in any scientific field.

All good

Thanks for the info. Will have a read through some of it now.

Sorry, i wasnt aware of their restrictions, id just heard about how they now have sports crowds and seen some posts by a couple Poms i follow about lockout over and assumed there was no longer restrictions.
Whilst those numbers are still crazy high to genuinely comprehend, it was more without restrictions (which i was obviously wrong about) and with a much higher prevalence as their starting point they didnt seem that dramatic. But with restrictions in place they do seem excessive.


Seems very excessive to me. They are back to daily case numbers starting to approach the peaks of 6 months ago, under restrictions, in the middle of summer with 63-85% of the adult population vaccinated.

Source Worldometers

I like you ? great information I actually don't think the vaccines work and will never get to stage 4 trials because they will come under to much scrutiny

 

[BZN]

The longer the vaccine roll out takes ...the worst the virus can mutate into ......


1000% correct although i think that ship has sailed.

Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) is still available to give to the whole world whilst they wait for the vaccine, at almost zero risk.....


Up till this point in time I have basically scrolled through most anti jab type posts.
But now, the more I read about Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) the more I like the sound of it @Tiger5150 .
I've had my 1st AZ jab and am not really looking forward to having a 2nd jab...Pfizer maybe, but not AZ.
How do we obtain Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective)?


You can find it online. But I wouldnt suggest you do this blindly.

I am talking to my doctor about it a couple of weeks. I suggest you do the same.

Cochise and yourself have suggested the same thing.
I had zero side effect from the 1st jab, so as you both suggested I will talk to my Dr. when I am due for my 2nd jab in late Aug.


For what its worth i would strongly suggest you talk to your doctor about the 2nd shot.I am far from an expert but will be having my 2nd AZ shot in about 5 weeks.I understand it is not a perfect solution but it is my best case scenario. There is an awful lot of misinformation surrounding the whole covid situation and has been from the begining.
Stay safe mate

[/QUOTE]

 

[Radoush]

I was recommended watching this video when I first click on it I was thinking it's a trap two Pro vaxxers talking about the long haul effects of having covid and being vaccinated and the spike protein they both recommend taking Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) after being vaccinated and after having covid it's the first study in the world of its kind basically if have been vaccinated you will have problems up to 15 months from the last jab and Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) will help correct problems same if you have had Covid

Exercise is one of the triggers that gets the response in the body

It has lot of the science in the video but great to list to



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JwjJs5ZHKJI

 

[happy_tiger]

Had to laugh when they spoke about CV breaches in Qld

4 men charged for breaking Covid restrictions because they were driving to Gladstone for a party

Obviously not local ......no party in Gladstone is worth breaking restrictions ...even if i am there .....lol

 

[Tiger_Fanatic3]

NSW recorded 16 new locally acquired new cases of COVID19 in 24 hours to 8pm last night, 14 of which are linked to previously confirmed cases. No new overseas-acquired cases were recorded in the same period.

 

[BAGNF05]

I cant get over what I just heard Scomo announce.

From a date in the near future, they will no longer track or report COVID case numbers. It will be just like the Flu and they will treat it like the flu.

What the hell? We have 8% fully vaccinated. What the hell has changed?

UK is doing the same as well.
Singapore also.


It actually makes sense there, they 60-70 vax rates and at some stage they do have to go on like normal.

I'll tell you what doesnt make sense. In the UK, they have 85% of the population at least partially vaccinated, 65% fully. 150K vaccinated a day. With 85% vaccinated, they are getting 28K new cases A DAY! 150K over the last week which is up by 72%. 22 deaths per day which is up 11%. Why are all these going up with 85% vaccination.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Now they are announcing that they arent going to record or report case numbers and treat it like the flu. Its almost like the vaccines arent working like they expected and arent keen on proving it?


under 50% - just


What is under 50%?

IF you are talking about vaccinations, the UK Govt site has it at 63% fully (two shots) and 85% partially

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


partial is a poor measure mate, you know that

you also know what under 50% is


No I dont know what is under 50%. I was completely open about 63% & 85% in my first post.


first vaccine doesn't count


Mate.....firstly, I was completely open and honest in my first post, I specifically said 85% partial and 63% fully.

Secondly, who says it doesnt count. Are you suggesting you have zero immunity after one shot?

Herd immunity for this virus was estimated at 60% (clearly wrong for a variety of important reasons).

NHS quotes 33m of a 66m population for 2 diese. Your stats are wrong.

One shot gives about 66% immunity.

Your stats are wrong mate. So your argument is wrong.


Mate, first of all.....I didnt make an argument at all. I actually asked a question.

Secondly, my stats are NOT wrong and they come from the UK Govt, you know, the same place as the NHS. You do realise that 66M population includes babies and children that are not appropriate to be vaccinated?

So one shot give 66% immunity, how much does two shots give?

Depends on what they get for the % 92/96 or more for a combo. Choose what you want. 92 is AZ. Since you don’t quote any stats sources. Look it up yourself.

Your stats are wrong mate. They do suit your “questions” though.

Post your references mate. It’s sounds tinfoil for 80odd % anywhere I look

Your post doesn’t come across as a genuine question BTW


Third, I genuinely try to be gracious in these threads and take people on good faith because I understand that many people have strong opinions one way and the other and I also understand and acknowledge that on these subject people can post spurious data and some people have a kneejerk reaction to oppose them.

I am done being gracious with you. Your implications that I am making up stats to "suit my questions", your statement that my assertations are "tinfoil" and telling me I'm not genuine, disqualify me being gracious with you and I will no longer take you on good faith.

Since I posted the question about how the hell the UK daily case rates, daily deaths and hospitalisations continue to skyrocket with such high vaccination rates, ***I HAVE POSTED THE SOURCE OF THE DATA TWICE!!!!!!*** Here you go for the third time.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

They are the UK Govt offical data, the same as the NHS.

Now if I had any respect for your capacity to engage in an intellectual discussion in good faith based on truth and data, I would ask you the question of how a population with 85% of the adult population with 66% immunity and 63% with 92% immunity has over 27000 daily new cases (up 74%) from last week, has 27 deaths a day at the moment (up 11% but will lag by at least 24 days) and 300 hospitalisations a day in apopulation less than 3 times Aus?

But I dont have any respect for you, so go scream at windmills with what ever it is you are imagining and leave the converation for the adults.

So British population is 68.25million.
- about 20% for under 18= 54.6million adult population.

So 15% unvaccinated = 8 190 000
+ 8% of the 63% fully vaccinated 2 751 840
+ 34% of the remaining 12% vaccinated 4 804 080
= 15 745 920 susceptible to Covid.

Daily new cases of 27000 (0.17%) of 15 745 920
If the latest strains are as contagious as reported the numbers seems fairly logical for a population that is no longer under any lockdown restrictions (as far as i know) and has a fairly high population density.

Im not arguing with your maths, but I do disagree with you that 27000 a day seems right. Firstly, they are under Step 3 Restrictions (not unlike ours)
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/covid-19-coronavirus-restrictions-what-you-can-and-cannot-do
Secondly, an unvaccinated susceptible population of 15M is not that much less than what we have here and we have never have had over 750 a day, a lot less than 27000. Can you imagine having 27000 new cases a day?

Thirdly, why would case be increasing at over 70% per week, now with between 63-85% of the population vaccinated?

Im not suggesting answers, but I definitely dont think those numbers look good, and I would be expecting them to look a lot better with those vaccination rates.

Additionally, (not that ive followed it closely) from what i can see (from the little i skimmed in Scholar) Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) has not been successful in any preliminary trials. Admittedly it was shown promising in testing in infected monkey cells but only at a dosage considered too dangerous to administer. Have you any links to suggest otherwise.


There are a stack of studies and trials, over 60 studies, by 549 Authors on 18931 patients.....no monkeys.

Last month a peer reviewed meta analysis was published by the American Journal of Therapeutics that shows that Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) has between 79-91% effictiveness as a prophylactic with 95% statistical confidence and is also a very effective 85% improvement as an early intervention treatment. Late intervention is less successful.

https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Abstract/9000/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.98040.aspx
Make sure you expand the full analysis (PDF)

Additionally there is a "realtime" Meta Analysis that is constantly updated here https://ivmmeta.com/

This page lists all of the clinical trials so far on Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) including constraints and limitations.
https://c19ivermectin.com/

Not meaning to sound disrespectful with this post would genuinely like to know as everything Government reported generally seems to add up to me. But its been a while since i last read a journal article and never worked in any scientific field.

All good

Thanks for the info. Will have a read through some of it now.

Sorry, i wasnt aware of their restrictions, id just heard about how they now have sports crowds and seen some posts by a couple Poms i follow about lockout over and assumed there was no longer restrictions.
Whilst those numbers are still crazy high to genuinely comprehend, it was more without restrictions (which i was obviously wrong about) and with a much higher prevalence as their starting point they didnt seem that dramatic. But with restrictions in place they do seem excessive.


Seems very excessive to me. They are back to daily case numbers starting to approach the peaks of 6 months ago, under restrictions, in the middle of summer with 63-85% of the adult population vaccinated.

Source Worldometers



I like you ? great information I actually don't think the vaccines work and will never get to stage 4 trials because they will come under to much scrutiny

What about the party where 25 unvaccinated people got Covid and 6 vaccinated didn’t get it? Coincidence?

 

[cochise]

I cant get over what I just heard Scomo announce.

From a date in the near future, they will no longer track or report COVID case numbers. It will be just like the Flu and they will treat it like the flu.

What the hell? We have 8% fully vaccinated. What the hell has changed?

UK is doing the same as well.
Singapore also.


It actually makes sense there, they 60-70 vax rates and at some stage they do have to go on like normal.

I'll tell you what doesnt make sense. In the UK, they have 85% of the population at least partially vaccinated, 65% fully. 150K vaccinated a day. With 85% vaccinated, they are getting 28K new cases A DAY! 150K over the last week which is up by 72%. 22 deaths per day which is up 11%. Why are all these going up with 85% vaccination.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Now they are announcing that they arent going to record or report case numbers and treat it like the flu. Its almost like the vaccines arent working like they expected and arent keen on proving it?


under 50% - just


What is under 50%?

IF you are talking about vaccinations, the UK Govt site has it at 63% fully (two shots) and 85% partially

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


partial is a poor measure mate, you know that

you also know what under 50% is


No I dont know what is under 50%. I was completely open about 63% & 85% in my first post.


first vaccine doesn't count


Mate.....firstly, I was completely open and honest in my first post, I specifically said 85% partial and 63% fully.

Secondly, who says it doesnt count. Are you suggesting you have zero immunity after one shot?

Herd immunity for this virus was estimated at 60% (clearly wrong for a variety of important reasons).

NHS quotes 33m of a 66m population for 2 diese. Your stats are wrong.

One shot gives about 66% immunity.

Your stats are wrong mate. So your argument is wrong.


Mate, first of all.....I didnt make an argument at all. I actually asked a question.

Secondly, my stats are NOT wrong and they come from the UK Govt, you know, the same place as the NHS. You do realise that 66M population includes babies and children that are not appropriate to be vaccinated?

So one shot give 66% immunity, how much does two shots give?

Depends on what they get for the % 92/96 or more for a combo. Choose what you want. 92 is AZ. Since you don’t quote any stats sources. Look it up yourself.

Your stats are wrong mate. They do suit your “questions” though.

Post your references mate. It’s sounds tinfoil for 80odd % anywhere I look

Your post doesn’t come across as a genuine question BTW


Third, I genuinely try to be gracious in these threads and take people on good faith because I understand that many people have strong opinions one way and the other and I also understand and acknowledge that on these subject people can post spurious data and some people have a kneejerk reaction to oppose them.

I am done being gracious with you. Your implications that I am making up stats to "suit my questions", your statement that my assertations are "tinfoil" and telling me I'm not genuine, disqualify me being gracious with you and I will no longer take you on good faith.

Since I posted the question about how the hell the UK daily case rates, daily deaths and hospitalisations continue to skyrocket with such high vaccination rates, ***I HAVE POSTED THE SOURCE OF THE DATA TWICE!!!!!!*** Here you go for the third time.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

They are the UK Govt offical data, the same as the NHS.

Now if I had any respect for your capacity to engage in an intellectual discussion in good faith based on truth and data, I would ask you the question of how a population with 85% of the adult population with 66% immunity and 63% with 92% immunity has over 27000 daily new cases (up 74%) from last week, has 27 deaths a day at the moment (up 11% but will lag by at least 24 days) and 300 hospitalisations a day in apopulation less than 3 times Aus?

But I dont have any respect for you, so go scream at windmills with what ever it is you are imagining and leave the converation for the adults.

So British population is 68.25million.
- about 20% for under 18= 54.6million adult population.

So 15% unvaccinated = 8 190 000
+ 8% of the 63% fully vaccinated 2 751 840
+ 34% of the remaining 12% vaccinated 4 804 080
= 15 745 920 susceptible to Covid.

Daily new cases of 27000 (0.17%) of 15 745 920
If the latest strains are as contagious as reported the numbers seems fairly logical for a population that is no longer under any lockdown restrictions (as far as i know) and has a fairly high population density.

Im not arguing with your maths, but I do disagree with you that 27000 a day seems right. Firstly, they are under Step 3 Restrictions (not unlike ours)
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/covid-19-coronavirus-restrictions-what-you-can-and-cannot-do
Secondly, an unvaccinated susceptible population of 15M is not that much less than what we have here and we have never have had over 750 a day, a lot less than 27000. Can you imagine having 27000 new cases a day?

Thirdly, why would case be increasing at over 70% per week, now with between 63-85% of the population vaccinated?

Im not suggesting answers, but I definitely dont think those numbers look good, and I would be expecting them to look a lot better with those vaccination rates.

Additionally, (not that ive followed it closely) from what i can see (from the little i skimmed in Scholar) Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) has not been successful in any preliminary trials. Admittedly it was shown promising in testing in infected monkey cells but only at a dosage considered too dangerous to administer. Have you any links to suggest otherwise.


There are a stack of studies and trials, over 60 studies, by 549 Authors on 18931 patients.....no monkeys.

Last month a peer reviewed meta analysis was published by the American Journal of Therapeutics that shows that Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) has between 79-91% effictiveness as a prophylactic with 95% statistical confidence and is also a very effective 85% improvement as an early intervention treatment. Late intervention is less successful.

https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Abstract/9000/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.98040.aspx
Make sure you expand the full analysis (PDF)

Additionally there is a "realtime" Meta Analysis that is constantly updated here https://ivmmeta.com/

This page lists all of the clinical trials so far on Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) including constraints and limitations.
https://c19ivermectin.com/

Not meaning to sound disrespectful with this post would genuinely like to know as everything Government reported generally seems to add up to me. But its been a while since i last read a journal article and never worked in any scientific field.

All good

Thanks for the info. Will have a read through some of it now.

Sorry, i wasnt aware of their restrictions, id just heard about how they now have sports crowds and seen some posts by a couple Poms i follow about lockout over and assumed there was no longer restrictions.
Whilst those numbers are still crazy high to genuinely comprehend, it was more without restrictions (which i was obviously wrong about) and with a much higher prevalence as their starting point they didnt seem that dramatic. But with restrictions in place they do seem excessive.


Seems very excessive to me. They are back to daily case numbers starting to approach the peaks of 6 months ago, under restrictions, in the middle of summer with 63-85% of the adult population vaccinated.

Source Worldometers



I like you ? great information I actually don't think the vaccines work and will never get to stage 4 trials because they will come under to much scrutiny

What about the party where 25 unvaccinated people got Covid and 6 vaccinated didn’t get it? Coincidence?

That is an interesting one actually, I am fully vaccinated and 100% support getting the majority of people vaccinated but it is folly to use one event like that as evidence of the strength of the vaccine. I can easily make an argument that gives an alternative reason for those results. For example all 6 of the people that didn't contract covid were not just vaccinated but were also Health Care professionals. Maybe because of their occupation they have better hand hygiene practices and followed social distancing protocols. It is just too small a sample size to use it as an argument.

In saying all that I want to see people get vaccinated lol

 

[Radoush]

I cant get over what I just heard Scomo announce.

From a date in the near future, they will no longer track or report COVID case numbers. It will be just like the Flu and they will treat it like the flu.

What the hell? We have 8% fully vaccinated. What the hell has changed?

UK is doing the same as well.
Singapore also.


It actually makes sense there, they 60-70 vax rates and at some stage they do have to go on like normal.

I'll tell you what doesnt make sense. In the UK, they have 85% of the population at least partially vaccinated, 65% fully. 150K vaccinated a day. With 85% vaccinated, they are getting 28K new cases A DAY! 150K over the last week which is up by 72%. 22 deaths per day which is up 11%. Why are all these going up with 85% vaccination.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Now they are announcing that they arent going to record or report case numbers and treat it like the flu. Its almost like the vaccines arent working like they expected and arent keen on proving it?


under 50% - just


What is under 50%?

IF you are talking about vaccinations, the UK Govt site has it at 63% fully (two shots) and 85% partially

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


partial is a poor measure mate, you know that

you also know what under 50% is


No I dont know what is under 50%. I was completely open about 63% & 85% in my first post.


first vaccine doesn't count


Mate.....firstly, I was completely open and honest in my first post, I specifically said 85% partial and 63% fully.

Secondly, who says it doesnt count. Are you suggesting you have zero immunity after one shot?

Herd immunity for this virus was estimated at 60% (clearly wrong for a variety of important reasons).

NHS quotes 33m of a 66m population for 2 diese. Your stats are wrong.

One shot gives about 66% immunity.

Your stats are wrong mate. So your argument is wrong.


Mate, first of all.....I didnt make an argument at all. I actually asked a question.

Secondly, my stats are NOT wrong and they come from the UK Govt, you know, the same place as the NHS. You do realise that 66M population includes babies and children that are not appropriate to be vaccinated?

So one shot give 66% immunity, how much does two shots give?

Depends on what they get for the % 92/96 or more for a combo. Choose what you want. 92 is AZ. Since you don’t quote any stats sources. Look it up yourself.

Your stats are wrong mate. They do suit your “questions” though.

Post your references mate. It’s sounds tinfoil for 80odd % anywhere I look

Your post doesn’t come across as a genuine question BTW


Third, I genuinely try to be gracious in these threads and take people on good faith because I understand that many people have strong opinions one way and the other and I also understand and acknowledge that on these subject people can post spurious data and some people have a kneejerk reaction to oppose them.

I am done being gracious with you. Your implications that I am making up stats to "suit my questions", your statement that my assertations are "tinfoil" and telling me I'm not genuine, disqualify me being gracious with you and I will no longer take you on good faith.

Since I posted the question about how the hell the UK daily case rates, daily deaths and hospitalisations continue to skyrocket with such high vaccination rates, ***I HAVE POSTED THE SOURCE OF THE DATA TWICE!!!!!!*** Here you go for the third time.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

They are the UK Govt offical data, the same as the NHS.

Now if I had any respect for your capacity to engage in an intellectual discussion in good faith based on truth and data, I would ask you the question of how a population with 85% of the adult population with 66% immunity and 63% with 92% immunity has over 27000 daily new cases (up 74%) from last week, has 27 deaths a day at the moment (up 11% but will lag by at least 24 days) and 300 hospitalisations a day in apopulation less than 3 times Aus?

But I dont have any respect for you, so go scream at windmills with what ever it is you are imagining and leave the converation for the adults.

So British population is 68.25million.
- about 20% for under 18= 54.6million adult population.

So 15% unvaccinated = 8 190 000
+ 8% of the 63% fully vaccinated 2 751 840
+ 34% of the remaining 12% vaccinated 4 804 080
= 15 745 920 susceptible to Covid.

Daily new cases of 27000 (0.17%) of 15 745 920
If the latest strains are as contagious as reported the numbers seems fairly logical for a population that is no longer under any lockdown restrictions (as far as i know) and has a fairly high population density.

Im not arguing with your maths, but I do disagree with you that 27000 a day seems right. Firstly, they are under Step 3 Restrictions (not unlike ours)
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/covid-19-coronavirus-restrictions-what-you-can-and-cannot-do
Secondly, an unvaccinated susceptible population of 15M is not that much less than what we have here and we have never have had over 750 a day, a lot less than 27000. Can you imagine having 27000 new cases a day?

Thirdly, why would case be increasing at over 70% per week, now with between 63-85% of the population vaccinated?

Im not suggesting answers, but I definitely dont think those numbers look good, and I would be expecting them to look a lot better with those vaccination rates.

Additionally, (not that ive followed it closely) from what i can see (from the little i skimmed in Scholar) Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) has not been successful in any preliminary trials. Admittedly it was shown promising in testing in infected monkey cells but only at a dosage considered too dangerous to administer. Have you any links to suggest otherwise.


There are a stack of studies and trials, over 60 studies, by 549 Authors on 18931 patients.....no monkeys.

Last month a peer reviewed meta analysis was published by the American Journal of Therapeutics that shows that Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) has between 79-91% effictiveness as a prophylactic with 95% statistical confidence and is also a very effective 85% improvement as an early intervention treatment. Late intervention is less successful.

https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Abstract/9000/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.98040.aspx
Make sure you expand the full analysis (PDF)

Additionally there is a "realtime" Meta Analysis that is constantly updated here https://ivmmeta.com/

This page lists all of the clinical trials so far on Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) including constraints and limitations.
https://c19ivermectin.com/

Not meaning to sound disrespectful with this post would genuinely like to know as everything Government reported generally seems to add up to me. But its been a while since i last read a journal article and never worked in any scientific field.

All good

Thanks for the info. Will have a read through some of it now.

Sorry, i wasnt aware of their restrictions, id just heard about how they now have sports crowds and seen some posts by a couple Poms i follow about lockout over and assumed there was no longer restrictions.
Whilst those numbers are still crazy high to genuinely comprehend, it was more without restrictions (which i was obviously wrong about) and with a much higher prevalence as their starting point they didnt seem that dramatic. But with restrictions in place they do seem excessive.


Seems very excessive to me. They are back to daily case numbers starting to approach the peaks of 6 months ago, under restrictions, in the middle of summer with 63-85% of the adult population vaccinated.

Source Worldometers



I like you ? great information I actually don't think the vaccines work and will never get to stage 4 trials because they will come under to much scrutiny

What about the party where 25 unvaccinated people got Covid and 6 vaccinated didn’t get it? Coincidence?

If you have had the vaccine they run the CT at 26 if you have not had the vaccine they run the CT at 40 at 40 the magnification is 4000
times stronger at 40 CT your finding fragments of covid if you watch the video I posted today it's the first long haul covid study in the world and you will have covid fragments in your body 15 months after having covid that's why people are saying after they have had Covid they still are not feeling well

 

[Tiger5150]

Food for thought.

Peer reviewed journal article by German and Dutch scientists based on Israeli field study.

Concludes that the cost to save three lives from COVID is two lives lost to the vaccine.

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/693/htm

EDIT: Please note that there were errors in the methodology of this article and this article has been retracted. I think it’s important to make this point so that it doesn’t color the discussion on this important issue.

I’ve brought this post brought back from the dead because there were errors in the methodology of this article and this article has been retracted. I think it’s important to make this point so that it doesn’t color the discussion on this important issue.

 

[Chicken_Faced_Killa]

Could the Dragons have just caused the season to go on a hiatus.

https://www.nrl.com/news/2021/07/04/dragons-investigated-over-claims-of-player-biosecurity-breach/

Surely at the very least the players involved have to be fined and stood down for a few weeks.

 

[happy_tiger]

Could the Dragons have just caused the season to go on a hiatus.

https://www.nrl.com/news/2021/07/04/dragons-investigated-over-claims-of-player-biosecurity-breach/

Surely at the very least the players involved have to be fined and stood down for a few weeks.

fairest form of action would be give the only club that have beaten the Dragons twice and whose initials are WT all their points .....we can't be any fairer than that ....