@happy tiger said:
It's only fair that Warner be given the same chance Hughes has had.
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It's only fair that Warner be given the same chance Hughes has had.
happy_tiger
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@Cultured Bogan said:
Yeah but I just don't see Test Cricket in Warner sorry CB but as Centaur said he is a better option than Hughes I still think we can develop someone better than both of them
@happy tiger said:
Maybe Maddinson can be that guy in another 2 years, certainly not at the moment, he seems to be suffering from some 2nd year syndrome but he does seem like an opener from the old school that likes to build an innings. Quiney is in great form but in saying that, he is in the Warner mould and he also isnt a young guy either at 29, he could be a good medium term option though.
Besides them there seems to be a dearth of openers at the moment, we seem to have a lot of guys who, to me anyway, seem to be just at that level below Test class. I.e. Broad, Townsend, Harris, Doolan, etc.
On another note I just noticed that QLD and Victoria drew with scores level, QLD finished at 9/399, they probably blew it in the end when they needed 15 off 20 with 5 wickets in hand with Forrest and Hartley well set. In saying that Victoria had to declare twice in the match and took nearly double the wickets QLD did, I guess thats the disadvantage of playing matches over 4 days instead of 5\. Its the reason why I am against 4 day Tests.
@happy tiger said:
Warner has shown remarkable ability in reverse engineering his career to tailor for Test cricket. He has developed a patience in the four day format and that will naturally translate into the five day game as well.
I say give him 5-10 Tests to string it together. It's a bit unfair to judge him on one innings. I can only imagine how overwhelmed he was.
happy_tiger
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@Cultured Bogan said:
Warner has shown remarkable ability in reverse engineering his career to tailor for Test cricket. He has developed a patience in the four day format and that will naturally translate into the five day game as well.
I say give him 5-10 Tests to string it together. It's a bit unfair to judge him on one innings. I can only imagine how overwhelmed he was.
I have said that CB Its not like anyone is beating down the door to be selected as an opener so he will get his time in the job (Unless they keep Watson and Hughes together , Happy 😛ray: not )
I'm thinking Warner will be pushing past Hughes pretty soon the way things are going. Hughes has been fortunate to play as many tests as he has. He needs to start producing the goods very soon.
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Marshall_magic
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@Yossarian said:
Hussey may be 36 which in my opinion makes him a good temporary opener. It basically tells all the other openers in the country 'hey, we've got a spot opening up in a year or so, if you want it then step up.' Hughes in my opinion isn't mature enough as a player yet (he's so young if he gets dropped he'll probably get back in the side later, compare that to a Shaun Marsh who is in his late 20s, he knows he may only get 1 shot at test cricket so he's going to make it work). Right now our problem is we have too many middle order batsmen and not enough openers.
@happy tiger said:
I for the life of me still can't understand why Katich was ever dropped.
He SHOULD be opening with Watson - with a doubt.
However considering there is basically 0% chance of him being picked again - I will have to settle with giving Warner a shot. He could explode like Matt Hayden did when he returned to the test side. The only issue is Hayden had a cool head like Langer at the other end - I don't think Watson can play that role.
happy_tiger
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@Centaur said:
I for the life of me still can't understand why Katich was ever dropped.
He SHOULD be opening with Watson - with a doubt.
However considering there is basically 0% chance of him being picked again - I will have to settle with giving Warner a shot. He could explode like Matt Hayden did when he returned to the test side. The only issue is Hayden had a cool head like Langer at the other end - I don't think Watson can play that role.
Love to see Katich back He and Watson were really starting to look good together But when the captain and a selector(1 and the same) have issues you're screwed unfortunately
Marshall_magic
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Katich was made the scapegoat from our poor Ashes showing (it was him, Ponting or Hussey), which was a bit silly in my opinion as we are short openers. However he's carried on like a child ever since and I think we need to move on.
@Marshall_magic said:
That's a fair assessment of it MM. But at the same time, we should be looking to let Punter and Hussey retire at the end of this summer and move on with youth so we can start preparing for another spell at the top. This whole policy of letting batches of players playing their careers out at the same time has killed us.
happy_tiger
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@Cultured Bogan said:
CB One thing we need to do is learn from the past Losing heaps of experience all at once can cause much more harm than good 1984 was an example Losing Lillee ,Marsh and Chappell and then the rebel tour to SA left us with some of our worst teams in the history of Australian Cricket (barring WSC )
To go and push Ponting ,Haddin ,Hussey ,Katich all in one massive cleanout could be very painful ,gradually easing one out a summer would be far better if possible
@happy tiger said:
I get what you're saying Happy. My point was more directed at when Warnie, McGrath, Martyn, Langer & Gilchrist all retired within 18 months of each other.
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@Cultured Bogan said:
That really annoyed me CB what the ACB allowed them to do How someone couldn't have sat down with in particular Warne ,Langer and Gilchrist and got them to stay or leave earlier or later (Still paying them of course ) for the good of Australian cricket I just don't know
happy_tiger
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Yoss we were talking last night about the Qld v Victoria shield game and how we found it unbelieveable that no one passed a message on to the players to make sure they got run out to get the 3 points
The players on the balcony were screaming at them to run the second and get run out . As you can probably guess the lack of a crowd made that quite easy for the players to be heard
The players on the balcony were screaming at them to run the second and get run out . As you can probably guess the lack of a crowd made that quite easy for the players to be heard
@happy tiger said:
That's hilarious! Thanks for posting that Happy - at least some of the players/officials were on top of things!
Cummins out until mid-Jan apparently
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-12-07/australia-suffers-cummins-blow/3717266
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-12-07/australia-suffers-cummins-blow/3717266
@Marshall_magic said:
Why was he even considered an option for scapegoat? He was one of our best performing batsmen!
But yeh, he has killed any chance he ever had of getting back into the team with his carry on. Although he is probably right in that Clarke has had something to do with him getting the can.
@Yossarian said:
Awful stuff. Hopefully Pattinson steps up as the revelation of the summer.
Marshall_magic
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@Centaur said:
Hussey's form in the Ashes was too good for the selectors to drop him. Katich picked up a long term injury there which didn't help him considering it was either him or Ricky, neither of who were in great form prior to the decision. I don't think the Clarke stuff played any part in it, but it will be a factor now considering Katich clearly hasn't gotten over it. I believe it should've been Ponting axed (considering that we're short openers and long middle order bats), but picking Katich again would be a step backwards, the guy is just too bitter about the whole thing.
