Curtis Sironen released [Official p.40]

[Pawsandclaws]

What nonsense.

His job is to put his heart into his football every time he takes the field, under the instructions he's been given. If he can't do that, I don't want him at the club.

I don't complain when my boss assigns me difficult or annoying work - it's my job. Either I do it, or I stop complaining and find another line of work.

I'm just wondering what these things that Sirro could do that made him "different and to stand out " are CK ??

Nothing good that's for sure

Far from nonsense.

I recall Phil Gould's comments about the way Sironen was being used which is similar to what cktiger suggested. **Also I recall Gould expressing dismay Sironen was not shifted to replace Moses at the 11th hour when Moses failed a fitness test immediately prior to the start of a game.**

In any event, while the bar high is at such a low level in terms of what we expect from our coach, WTs will continue to drift a long as a never was.

We won that game didn't we? Lead 18 or 20-0 from memory.

Gould has a strategic mind and it was a very interesting contrast In thinking. Probably sums up why Gould is one of the best.

 

[happy_tiger]

I'm just wondering what these things that Sirro could do that made him "different and to stand out " are CK ??

Nothing good that's for sure

Far from nonsense.

I recall Phil Gould's comments about the way Sironen was being used which is similar to what cktiger suggested. Also I recall Gould expressing dismay Sironen was not shifted to replace Moses at the 11th hour when Moses failed a fitness test immediately prior to the start of a game.

In any event, while the bar is at such a low level in terms of what we expect from our coach, WTs will continue to drift a long as a never was.

People should take Phil Gould's comments for what they are now

Phil's has his irons in the fires for Penrith first and foremost , rugby league comes a distant second now

I'd take Gould's thoughts on players, how they should be used and strategy over Taylor.

And so would I if he didn't have a stake in Penrith , one of the greatest footy minds going around

But that's the issue in the end isn't it Paws , Taylor kicked your dog and you'll never forgive him for it

I see Taylor's fault's , but he is the Wests Tigers coach and he deserves our support , because if he gets it right the club will be set up for many years to come

Too many on here want the Tigers to play the brand of footy they want to see and if they don't the coach should be gone

Many don't understand that change takes time and are too impatient for it and if they don't see instant results well sack the coach

Some refuse to see the lack of talent in this squad in many key areas but that's the coaches fault so sack him

When our worst three defenders all defend beside each other both on the left and right side it makes life extremely hard for all involved ,even affecting our attack

 

[851]

I'm not blaming JT for anything. For your information I agree Sironen is a plodder. My point is that JT only drops players for poor form that speak out about him. I'm allowed an opinion just like you and your girl col are.

Cant be too much to ask for everyone on the team being accountable and not just the players who speak out or we dont want here. Make the whole team accountable and they will realise being mediocre wont cut it in first grade.

That is all I want too, and when JT dropped Farah he said it would happen, it didn't, just like most of the promises JT made. :astonished:

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Far from nonsense.

I recall Phil Gould's comments about the way Sironen was being used which is similar to what cktiger suggested. Also I recall Gould expressing dismay Sironen was not shifted to replace Moses at the 11th hour when Moses failed a fitness test immediately prior to the start of a game.

In any event, while the bar is at such a low level in terms of what we expect from our coach, WTs will continue to drift a long as a never was.

People should take Phil Gould's comments for what they are now

Phil's has his irons in the fires for Penrith first and foremost , rugby league comes a distant second now

I'd take Gould's thoughts on players, how they should be used and strategy over Taylor.

And so would I if he didn't have a stake in Penrith , one of the greatest footy minds going around

But that's the issue in the end isn't it Paws , Taylor kicked your dog and you'll never forgive him for it

I see Taylor's fault's , but he is the Wests Tigers coach and he deserves our support , because if he gets it right the club will be set up for many years to come

Too many on here want the Tigers to play the brand of footy they want to see and if they don't the coach should be gone

Many don't understand that change takes time and are too impatient for it and if they don't see instant results well sack the coach

Some refuse to see the lack of talent in this squad in many key areas but that's the coaches fault so sack him

When our worst three defenders all defend beside each other both on the left and right side it makes life extremely hard for all involved ,even affecting our attack

I don't see how Gould's link to the Panthers is relevant to his comments about Sironen. If anything, I'd say Gould would only want the best for Sironen junior.

And considering you yourself commented that Gould has one of the greatest footy minds going around, how could you ever back Taylor? We have set the bar extremely low with Taylor and in two years what has he actually achieved other than creating a debacle over the RF incident the has polarised sections of the club.

 

[happy_tiger]

People should take Phil Gould's comments for what they are now

Phil's has his irons in the fires for Penrith first and foremost , rugby league comes a distant second now

I'd take Gould's thoughts on players, how they should be used and strategy over Taylor.

And so would I if he didn't have a stake in Penrith , one of the greatest footy minds going around

But that's the issue in the end isn't it Paws , Taylor kicked your dog and you'll never forgive him for it

I see Taylor's fault's , but he is the Wests Tigers coach and he deserves our support , because if he gets it right the club will be set up for many years to come

Too many on here want the Tigers to play the brand of footy they want to see and if they don't the coach should be gone

Many don't understand that change takes time and are too impatient for it and if they don't see instant results well sack the coach

Some refuse to see the lack of talent in this squad in many key areas but that's the coaches fault so sack him

When our worst three defenders all defend beside each other both on the left and right side it makes life extremely hard for all involved ,even affecting our attack

I don't see how Gould's link to the Panthers is relevant to his comments about Sironen. If anything, I'd say Gould would only want the best for Sironen junior.

And considering you yourself commented that Gould has one of the greatest footy minds going around, how could you ever back Taylor? We have set the bar extremely low with Taylor and in two years what has he actually achieved other than creating a debacle over the RF incident the has polarised sections of the club.

I back Taylor because he is the WT's coach , because he deserves to see out the end of his contract and because our management and board saw him as the best affordable option at the time for this club

Its not if they had millions at their disposable to buy the best of the best , you and many others just don't seem to get that

When blokes like Jim Dymock won't come in for an interview because the $$$ aren't acceptable you start to understand the issues

And as I have said , I thought Potter should have been given the chance to succeed with 100 % control of the squad

You seem to think this squad is premiership material , it isn't not even close

Taylor isn't the best coach in the comp and I don't think anyone thinks he is , but he is probably the best that our money would buy

Just because blokes like Brown and Griffin interviewed for the position doesn't mean they would have said yes if the money wasn't right

Something else people don't get either …..

 

[GNR4LIFE]

This whole ''JT promised this, JT promised that'' rubbish is one of the biggest hyperbolic misconceptions in the history of the forum. If anyone can produce just one quote where JT promised or guaranteed he would turn the defence around i'll happily stand corrected. From my memory it was his goal to improve the defence, nothing more. And given our history of being an attacking oriented team that had failed more than it succeeded, he was right in stating we had to turn it around.

 

[Harvey]

Potter let him play entirely differently to the way Taylor wanted him to play - and Taylor is Stringer's boss and told how to play him in reggies.
He's been coached to forget the things that made him different (and stand out) and play like a robot by Taylor.
And people wonder why he has a hard time getting his heart into it.
As long as Taylor remains he'd be better at a club that would let him play to his strengths and help him develop them.

What nonsense.

His job is to put his heart into his football every time he takes the field, under the instructions he's been given. If he can't do that, I don't want him at the club.

I don't complain when my boss assigns me difficult or annoying work - it's my job. Either I do it, or I stop complaining and find another line of work.

I'm just wondering what these things that Sirro could do that made him "different and to stand out " are CK ??

Nothing good that's for sure

Far from nonsense.

I recall Phil Gould's comments about the way Sironen was being used which is similar to what cktiger suggested. Also I recall Gould expressing dismay Sironen was not shifted to replace Moses at the 11th hour when Moses failed a fitness test immediately prior to the start of a game.

In any event, while the bar is at such a low level in terms of what we expect from our coach, WTs will continue to drift a long as a never was.

Try swapping Curtis for Cartwight, Yeo, Peachey, Merris or one of the other penrith young guns. Then you will see how highly Gould actually rates him

 

[larrycorowa]

You can't take a Gould throwaway comment about sironen as gospel. let's see how bob Fulton plays him, geez he is building a team of highly paid reserve graders over there

 

[larrycorowa]

Course I don't SC, but as I said to Geo I think the club really needs some positive news asap after how our season ended

If we do have a few signings as some are suggesting , even releasing one of them would be good PR and business , especially with launch of the new memberships and with Xmas as close as it is

As we spoke about previously , if you look at 2017 with a fine tooth comb I wouldn't be putting too much dosh on us making the Top 8 with the current roster

Fans aren't fools , if they aren't going to get some news soon of a positive nature they aren't going to support the WT's with new memberships or increased sales of merchandise

Just my opinion …

I don't want positive news stories. I just want to make the 8 next year. Our roster is fine. The coach is the issue as he has been the last 2 years.

Play it again sam…

 

[larrycorowa]

I thought we were talking about sironen

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Yes I actually like it when Taylor uses his Dark Lord of the Sith mind tricks to get the players to miss 50+ tackles a game complete at around 60% make 15+ errors and end on the wrong end of the penalty count most games we lose….

As a roster on a whole we are bottom to middle at best.....the positive is that it is improving with the more games they play....

And the only guy who received the chop wasn't missing tackles, over all performing excellently, scoring tries…???

 

[magpiecol]

The haters will continue to hate, no matter what you are talking about.

:blah :blah

 

[Buffalo]

Will we loose the younger brother Bailey if Curtis is heading to Manly

And? So what? No place for 'entitled' kids of parents with unwanted influence.

 

[stevetiger]

This whole ''JT promised this, JT promised that'' rubbish is one of the biggest hyperbolic misconceptions in the history of the forum. If anyone can produce just one quote where JT promised or guaranteed he would turn the defence around i'll happily stand corrected. From my memory it was his goal to improve the defence, nothing more. And given our history of being an attacking oriented team that had failed more than it succeeded, he was right in stating we had to turn it around.

He lost me at the start when he started bad mouthing prior players/coaches/administrators/the club as a whole on this issue.

I think you are right though if you are playing semantics. He didn't state I'll fix the defence and turn this club around. Everyone before me was a moron.

He did though say something like this. This club has a problems with a lot of things including S&C and defence. It's not that hard to fix these things. You just need the right structures in place.

So he basically said exactly what you are stating he didn't state. I reckon trying to let him off the hook on this isn't fair to anyone let alone Taylor.

I mean the guy was a complete and utter moron and his coaching in the first year was as bad as I've ever seen. He also made some massive blunders this year.

I actually want him to stay beacuse I can see some potential positives but I'm not going to sit there and make out that he hasn't been a complete dud in multiple ways. I'm hopeful he has learnt from his mistakes.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

This whole ''JT promised this, JT promised that'' rubbish is one of the biggest hyperbolic misconceptions in the history of the forum. If anyone can produce just one quote where JT promised or guaranteed he would turn the defence around i'll happily stand corrected. From my memory it was his goal to improve the defence, nothing more. And given our history of being an attacking oriented team that had failed more than it succeeded, he was right in stating we had to turn it around.

He lost me at the start when he started bad mouthing prior players/coaches/administrators/the club as a whole on this issue.

I think you are right though if you are playing semantics. He didn't state I'll fix the defence and turn this club around. Everyone before me was a moron.

He did though say something like this. This club has a problems with a lot of things including S&C and defence. It's not that hard to fix these things. You just need the right structures in place.

So he basically said exactly what you are stating he didn't state. I reckon trying to let him off the hook on this isn't fair to anyone let alone Taylor.

I mean the guy was a complete and utter moron and his coaching in the first year was as bad as I've ever seen. He also made some massive blunders this year.

I actually want him to stay beacuse I can see some potential positives but I'm not going to sit there and make out that he hasn't been a complete dud in multiple ways. I'm hopeful he has learnt from his mistakes.

Even if he was bad mouthing ex players/coaches/admin, can you honestly say it wasn't warranted? Our finals record has been atrocious, and the previous admin are the reason we had Farah on a ridiculous back ended contract and had Moses, Brooks and Siro's contracts with options in the players favour. Not to mention our previous CEO's habit of trashing the supporters on Twitter when he was upset. Sounds like criticism was justified imo.

 

[Geo]

Steve if Taylor left you would be out of backhanded compliments…then what would you post....

 

[stevetiger]

Even if he was bad mouthing ex players/coaches/admin, can you honestly say it wasn't warranted? Our finals record has been atrocious, and the previous admin are the reason we had Farah on a ridiculous back ended contract and had Moses, Brooks and Siro's contracts with options in the players favour. Not to mention our previous CEO's habit of trashing the supporters on Twitter when he was upset. Sounds like criticism was justified imo.

I think it was really poor form. Our club is not even that poorly run. All clubs would have contracts like that. Just look at what you've written here. Yes Robbie was paid a ridiculous sum but how has JT handled the situation. I think he has made it significantly worse.

As for Brooks, Moses and Siro's contracts they seem okay now. We've kept them and they probably aren't overpaid for first grade players. Maybe Siro is but from what I've read he isn't really overpaid. If that is what was required to keep Brooks and Moses so be it.

There is a tendency on here to state how poor we are and cry over little things. I don't understand why. Our club looks pretty good at the moment to me.

 

[stevetiger]

Steve if Taylor left you would be out of backhanded compliments…then what would you post....

It'd be great not to talk about the coach wouldn't it. Can you imagine instead of talking about Taylor ball we'd discuss who was playing better - Moses or Teddy.

 

[happy_tiger]

Steve if Taylor left you would be out of backhanded compliments…then what would you post....

Letters and parcels like everyone else Geo 😱pen_mouth:

 

[matchball]

Yes I actually like it when Taylor uses his Dark Lord of the Sith mind tricks to get the players to miss 50+ tackles a game complete at around 60% make 15+ errors and end on the wrong end of the penalty count most games we lose….

As a roster on a whole we are bottom to middle at best.....the positive is that it is improving with the more games they play....

And the only guy who received the chop wasn't missing tackles, over all performing excellently, scoring tries…???

You can't replace nothing with nothing.