Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...

[Aubanon]

Put Madge aside for a moment.

What other available\attainable coach would bring us any better success in 2021?

Madge will be here for the structural rebuild this organisation needs from a player/cultural perspective.

While we've been in the comp for 21yrs - the last few years have seen things finally achieved which should have been achieved early in our existence.

- Majority ownership
- profitability
- state of the art training facilities

Now its about translating the above into success on the field (Dare I say, made easier because of the items stated above).

Keep the faith and see the improvements that have been made.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Jason Taylor got two years and was gone three games into his third year because the board said in 2017 no more floggings and mediocrity. I like Madge but the confidence for next year just isn't there for me. Some of those defensive numbers over the past weeks are terrible.

Mate were you paying attention the last 6 weeks ? They have scored a billion tries down the corridor of Mikalele Garner benji Joey. 3 of those guys will either be replaced in the starting lineup next year or forced retirement. To me when mika goes off the defence tightens up in the middle. Last night was arm grabbing central , and it’s been consistent with him this year. The other side was leaky tonight because Jrey still shoots out the line at 32 years old. Brooks just makes the right decision . That try where thier 11 went through where jrey was after stepping inside Lawrence was case in point . It’s all good to have rush defence , but the whole line needs to go with you , or you have to make the tackle .
My point is , the troops are either already here and biding their time , or on the way. You can’t blame Madge for that . Benji and the team have decided to eturb to the tigers of 2007 , and well that doesn’t win football games in 2020

 

[GNR4LIFE]

There is not another coach in the competition who has so much money tied up in the wrong players.Until it is rectified we are are going to be handicapped. And please don't bring up JT because his roster at the time would run rings around this one. The one thing I think Maguire can lament is BJ - a risk that hasn't paid off at this point.

What about the roster was better? We had Tedesco, that’s it. We also had Lovett, Rankin, Buchanan, Milone, Edwards etc.If I took your post back in time to 2016, people would be splitting their sides.


The value of Teddy to any team is immeasurable - we would be a much better team with him now. Brooks played twice as good with Teddy at the back. We had some go forward with Woods and Tapau ( whom Taylor let go for Balin) JAC Simona and Moses for speed and the nucleus of decent spine to play behind and draw other players to the club - even with the plodders.

Taupau was not here in 2016. Moses was a rookie who was on par with Brooks now. Simona wasn’t better than our current centres. current centres JAC played all of 5 games.

With the job Payten and Holbrook are doing, I wouldn’t have thought any of Maguire’s defenders would have the hide to complain about his cattle.

Simona was a great centre and at one point our winning record was dependant on when he played
JAC only player when he did because Rankin was selected ahead of him. But you can't ignore the Teddy factor and his value to the team or any team
I will defend Maguire while our cap is the mess it's in. As I have said numerous time I can't see one other team in the comp that has there highest money earners as their worst contributers. When that is corrected he will be judged like all other coaches - by results. I will add the Titans pack would eat ours up and spit them out - no surprise at all how Holbrook has got them going.
As for Payten - "jobs for the boys, whiteanter" -
we could have had him, no problem with me.

Hate to break it to you, but all bar Reynolds and Packer, this is Madge’s team. He’s signed them all.

 

[Furious1]

There is not another coach in the competition who has so much money tied up in the wrong players.Until it is rectified we are are going to be handicapped. And please don't bring up JT because his roster at the time would run rings around this one. The one thing I think Maguire can lament is BJ - a risk that hasn't paid off at this point.

What about the roster was better? We had Tedesco, that’s it. We also had Lovett, Rankin, Buchanan, Milone, Edwards etc.If I took your post back in time to 2016, people would be splitting their sides.


The value of Teddy to any team is immeasurable - we would be a much better team with him now. Brooks played twice as good with Teddy at the back. We had some go forward with Woods and Tapau ( whom Taylor let go for Balin) JAC Simona and Moses for speed and the nucleus of decent spine to play behind and draw other players to the club - even with the plodders.

Taupau was not here in 2016. Moses was a rookie who was on par with Brooks now. Simona wasn’t better than our current centres. current centres JAC played all of 5 games.

With the job Payten and Holbrook are doing, I wouldn’t have thought any of Maguire’s defenders would have the hide to complain about his cattle.

Simona was a great centre and at one point our winning record was dependant on when he played
JAC only player when he did because Rankin was selected ahead of him. But you can't ignore the Teddy factor and his value to the team or any team
I will defend Maguire while our cap is the mess it's in. As I have said numerous time I can't see one other team in the comp that has there highest money earners as their worst contributers. When that is corrected he will be judged like all other coaches - by results. I will add the Titans pack would eat ours up and spit them out - no surprise at all how Holbrook has got them going.
As for Payten - "jobs for the boys, whiteanter" -
we could have had him, no problem with me.

Hate to break it to you, but all bar Reynolds and Packer, this is Madge’s team. He’s signed them all.

He didn't sign Mbye on a 4 year deal either did he?

 

[cochise]

We had the perfect opportunity to punt this myth, and bring Toddy payten on board

I am so glad we didn't do that.

 

[Honkylips]

We had the perfect opportunity to punt this myth, and bring Toddy payten on board

Yeah, nothing shouts stability more than another coaching change before the contract is up.

But sooner than later someone needs to realize he's not the right one

Sooner than later someone needs to realise that the players we have ,mainly the NRL seasoned players are professional football players on high contracts and should know the game inside and out..they should also understand that they need to tackle,play the ball correctly,pass the ball and backup your mates...unfortunately when these players dont reach expectations because of their ability as seasoned professionals and adults its easier to blame the coach who is trying to win games with some of these baffoons.

You're correct TT but there aren't enough top quality players out there. This is why there needs to be less teams in the NRL. Either clubs have to die or be forced into mergers and if they want expansion then they must relocate. Personally a 12-14 team comp would provide a better product without doubt.

 

[Tim Sheens]

There is not another coach in the competition who has so much money tied up in the wrong players.Until it is rectified we are are going to be handicapped. And please don't bring up JT because his roster at the time would run rings around this one. The one thing I think Maguire can lament is BJ - a risk that hasn't paid off at this point.

What about the roster was better? We had Tedesco, that’s it. We also had Lovett, Rankin, Buchanan, Milone, Edwards etc.If I took your post back in time to 2016, people would be splitting their sides.


The value of Teddy to any team is immeasurable - we would be a much better team with him now. Brooks played twice as good with Teddy at the back. We had some go forward with Woods and Tapau ( whom Taylor let go for Balin) JAC Simona and Moses for speed and the nucleus of decent spine to play behind and draw other players to the club - even with the plodders.

Taupau was not here in 2016. Moses was a rookie who was on par with Brooks now. Simona wasn’t better than our current centres. current centres JAC played all of 5 games.

With the job Payten and Holbrook are doing, I wouldn’t have thought any of Maguire’s defenders would have the hide to complain about his cattle.

Simona was a great centre and at one point our winning record was dependant on when he played
JAC only player when he did because Rankin was selected ahead of him. But you can't ignore the Teddy factor and his value to the team or any team
I will defend Maguire while our cap is the mess it's in. As I have said numerous time I can't see one other team in the comp that has there highest money earners as their worst contributers. When that is corrected he will be judged like all other coaches - by results. I will add the Titans pack would eat ours up and spit them out - no surprise at all how Holbrook has got them going.
As for Payten - "jobs for the boys, whiteanter" -
we could have had him, no problem with me.

Hate to break it to you, but all bar Reynolds and Packer, this is Madge’s team. He’s signed them all.

Got to add Mbye as well, though he did make him captain, so that alsi makes him a choice.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

There is not another coach in the competition who has so much money tied up in the wrong players.Until it is rectified we are are going to be handicapped. And please don't bring up JT because his roster at the time would run rings around this one. The one thing I think Maguire can lament is BJ - a risk that hasn't paid off at this point.

What about the roster was better? We had Tedesco, that’s it. We also had Lovett, Rankin, Buchanan, Milone, Edwards etc.If I took your post back in time to 2016, people would be splitting their sides.


The value of Teddy to any team is immeasurable - we would be a much better team with him now. Brooks played twice as good with Teddy at the back. We had some go forward with Woods and Tapau ( whom Taylor let go for Balin) JAC Simona and Moses for speed and the nucleus of decent spine to play behind and draw other players to the club - even with the plodders.

Taupau was not here in 2016. Moses was a rookie who was on par with Brooks now. Simona wasn’t better than our current centres. current centres JAC played all of 5 games.

With the job Payten and Holbrook are doing, I wouldn’t have thought any of Maguire’s defenders would have the hide to complain about his cattle.

Simona was a great centre and at one point our winning record was dependant on when he played
JAC only player when he did because Rankin was selected ahead of him. But you can't ignore the Teddy factor and his value to the team or any team
I will defend Maguire while our cap is the mess it's in. As I have said numerous time I can't see one other team in the comp that has there highest money earners as their worst contributers. When that is corrected he will be judged like all other coaches - by results. I will add the Titans pack would eat ours up and spit them out - no surprise at all how Holbrook has got them going.
As for Payten - "jobs for the boys, whiteanter" -
we could have had him, no problem with me.

Hate to break it to you, but all bar Reynolds and Packer, this is Madge’s team. He’s signed them all.

Got to add Mbye as well, though he did make him captain, so that alsi makes him a choice.

And unlike Reynolds and Packer, he’s in the side every week bar injury.

 

[avocadoontoast]

It's clear we aren't as competitive as we were with Ivan Cleary. I know it sucks to say that. But it felt like we had a chance most games, even against big teams. Brooks was firing with Benji. Team felt like better spirited.

Brooks and Benji firing? Brooks??? When was this again???

2018, when Brooks won Dally M halfback of the year.

Oh the old Dally M Halfback of the year chestnut. He was also average that year and every year until this clown disappears.

Oh ok, guess all the judges got it wrong.

 

[Telltails]

There is not another coach in the competition who has so much money tied up in the wrong players.Until it is rectified we are are going to be handicapped. And please don't bring up JT because his roster at the time would run rings around this one. The one thing I think Maguire can lament is BJ - a risk that hasn't paid off at this point.

What about the roster was better? We had Tedesco, that’s it. We also had Lovett, Rankin, Buchanan, Milone, Edwards etc.If I took your post back in time to 2016, people would be splitting their sides.


The value of Teddy to any team is immeasurable - we would be a much better team with him now. Brooks played twice as good with Teddy at the back. We had some go forward with Woods and Tapau ( whom Taylor let go for Balin) JAC Simona and Moses for speed and the nucleus of decent spine to play behind and draw other players to the club - even with the plodders.

Taupau was not here in 2016. Moses was a rookie who was on par with Brooks now. Simona wasn’t better than our current centres. current centres JAC played all of 5 games.

With the job Payten and Holbrook are doing, I wouldn’t have thought any of Maguire’s defenders would have the hide to complain about his cattle.

Simona was a great centre and at one point our winning record was dependant on when he played
JAC only player when he did because Rankin was selected ahead of him. But you can't ignore the Teddy factor and his value to the team or any team
I will defend Maguire while our cap is the mess it's in. As I have said numerous time I can't see one other team in the comp that has there highest money earners as their worst contributers. When that is corrected he will be judged like all other coaches - by results. I will add the Titans pack would eat ours up and spit them out - no surprise at all how Holbrook has got them going.
As for Payten - "jobs for the boys, whiteanter" -
we could have had him, no problem with me.

Hate to break it to you, but all bar Reynolds and Packer, this is Madge’s team. He’s signed them all.

You are not breaking anything to me. Reynolds and Packer are two of our highest earners and yet they contribute squat. It's a massive handicap and no good for balance. The players know what they are on while they cop the hidings for poor performances - these two can barely make the run on squad yet take home the big bucks.

 

[Geo]

It's clear we aren't as competitive as we were with Ivan Cleary. I know it sucks to say that. But it felt like we had a chance most games, even against big teams. Brooks was firing with Benji. Team felt like better spirited.

Brooks and Benji firing? Brooks??? When was this again???

2018, when Brooks won Dally M halfback of the year.

Oh the old Dally M Halfback of the year chestnut. He was also average that year and every year until this clown disappears.

Oh ok, guess all the judges got it wrong.

3rd Overall that season..people forget that too...

 

[avocadoontoast]

It's clear we aren't as competitive as we were with Ivan Cleary. I know it sucks to say that. But it felt like we had a chance most games, even against big teams. Brooks was firing with Benji. Team felt like better spirited.

Brooks and Benji firing? Brooks??? When was this again???

2018, when Brooks won Dally M halfback of the year.

Oh the old Dally M Halfback of the year chestnut. He was also average that year and every year until this clown disappears.

Oh ok, guess all the judges got it wrong.

3rd Overall that season..people forget that too...

He had a great season in 2018. His short kicking game that year was also excellent

 

[cochise]

It's clear we aren't as competitive as we were with Ivan Cleary. I know it sucks to say that. But it felt like we had a chance most games, even against big teams. Brooks was firing with Benji. Team felt like better spirited.

Brooks and Benji firing? Brooks??? When was this again???

2018, when Brooks won Dally M halfback of the year.

Oh the old Dally M Halfback of the year chestnut. He was also average that year and every year until this clown disappears.

Oh ok, guess all the judges got it wrong.

3rd Overall that season..people forget that too...

He had a great season in 2018. His short kicking game that year was also excellent

I finally thought he had turned the corner and was about to come the player we all thought he would be.

 

[Spacecub]

I know it's not going to happen, but I'd love to see our roster under a Bennett, Bellyache, Robinson or Flanagan, I think it will be plainly evident that it's not the players

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It's not the players?? Are you serious? A fair few of these plodders have had more than one coach in their tenure at WT.
It's 100% the players. Starting with the myth of all myths Brooks.

I don't think it is the players honky, Brooks won half of the year not long back,so he obviously has ability...There's only one myth in this club and that's Maguire, but I except your opinion

 

[Deleted member 3518]

It's clear we aren't as competitive as we were with Ivan Cleary. I know it sucks to say that. But it felt like we had a chance most games, even against big teams. Brooks was firing with Benji. Team felt like better spirited.

Brooks and Benji firing? Brooks??? When was this again???

2018, when Brooks won Dally M halfback of the year.

Oh the old Dally M Halfback of the year chestnut. He was also average that year and every year until this clown disappears.

Oh ok, guess all the judges got it wrong.

3rd Overall that season..people forget that too...

He had a great season in 2018. His short kicking game that year was also excellent

It was good last year as well. For whatever reason this year it didn’t happen . I will say a lot of our tries came from outside the 20m . I don’t have the stat but the eyeball test makes me feel like this is a big contributor as well as , he gets at least 25% of them deflected by out stretched defensive legs .

 

[Telltails]

I know it's not going to happen, but I'd love to see our roster under a Bennett, Bellyache, Robinson or Flanagan, I think it will be plainly evident that it's not the players
>
It's not the players?? Are you serious? A fair few of these plodders have had more than one coach in their tenure at WT.
It's 100% the players. Starting with the myth of all myths Brooks.

I don't think it is the players honky, Brooks won half of the year not long back,so he obviously has ability...There's only one myth in this club and that's Maguire, but I except your opinion

So just out of interest where do you think we should have finished this season?

 

[cochise]

I know it's not going to happen, but I'd love to see our roster under a Bennett, Bellyache, Robinson or Flanagan, I think it will be plainly evident that it's not the players
>
It's not the players?? Are you serious? A fair few of these plodders have had more than one coach in their tenure at WT.
It's 100% the players. Starting with the myth of all myths Brooks.

I don't think it is the players honky, Brooks won half of the year not long back,so he obviously has ability...There's only one myth in this club and that's Maguire, but I except your opinion

Mate, you have always been a very good poster on this forum but this dislike for Madge is really tainting your posts. I really hope this dislike isn't coming from where I think it is.

 

[JC99]

Brooks had a really good 2019 as well let’s not forget. Was like top 3 for try assists and his short kicking again was excellent.

Bloke just seems lost this year.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

There is not another coach in the competition who has so much money tied up in the wrong players.Until it is rectified we are are going to be handicapped. And please don't bring up JT because his roster at the time would run rings around this one. The one thing I think Maguire can lament is BJ - a risk that hasn't paid off at this point.

What about the roster was better? We had Tedesco, that’s it. We also had Lovett, Rankin, Buchanan, Milone, Edwards etc.If I took your post back in time to 2016, people would be splitting their sides.


The value of Teddy to any team is immeasurable - we would be a much better team with him now. Brooks played twice as good with Teddy at the back. We had some go forward with Woods and Tapau ( whom Taylor let go for Balin) JAC Simona and Moses for speed and the nucleus of decent spine to play behind and draw other players to the club - even with the plodders.

Taupau was not here in 2016. Moses was a rookie who was on par with Brooks now. Simona wasn’t better than our current centres. current centres JAC played all of 5 games.

With the job Payten and Holbrook are doing, I wouldn’t have thought any of Maguire’s defenders would have the hide to complain about his cattle.

Simona was a great centre and at one point our winning record was dependant on when he played
JAC only player when he did because Rankin was selected ahead of him. But you can't ignore the Teddy factor and his value to the team or any team
I will defend Maguire while our cap is the mess it's in. As I have said numerous time I can't see one other team in the comp that has there highest money earners as their worst contributers. When that is corrected he will be judged like all other coaches - by results. I will add the Titans pack would eat ours up and spit them out - no surprise at all how Holbrook has got them going.
As for Payten - "jobs for the boys, whiteanter" -
we could have had him, no problem with me.

Hate to break it to you, but all bar Reynolds and Packer, this is Madge’s team. He’s signed them all.

And Mbye , and eisenhuth , and Taylor , and seyfarth , and Smith , and nofa , and Clarke , and McQueen , and McIntyre, and Mikalele ... you’re right , apart from those 2 .

 

[JC99]

I know it's not going to happen, but I'd love to see our roster under a Bennett, Bellyache, Robinson or Flanagan, I think it will be plainly evident that it's not the players
>
It's not the players?? Are you serious? A fair few of these plodders have had more than one coach in their tenure at WT.
It's 100% the players. Starting with the myth of all myths Brooks.

I don't think it is the players honky, Brooks won half of the year not long back,so he obviously has ability...There's only one myth in this club and that's Maguire, but I except your opinion

Not sure you can call someone who’s won 2 premierships a myth

He might not win one with us but he’ll make sure most of the average players are gone by the time he leaves the club that’s for sure.

Whoever takes over from Madge will have a much easier time than Madge when he took over from cleary.