James Tedesco Signs with Roosters [Official]

[Nelson]

Cleary the best coach we have had since Sheens happy.

And we were in a far, far bigger mess in 2003 when Sheens took over.

Won't matter , no playing talent , or we will won't get the mix right again

But seriously Eddie look at how many weeks in a row we have been the centre of bad press , Simona ,Lovett , sacking JT , Cleary being headhunted back in January , shocking performances

CEO's would laugh at players managers saying you had a 900 k offer to go to the WT's

There reply " do you really want to go to the WT's "

You'd have the players /players managers and CEO all in hysterics :roll

Yeah I'm sure they'll stay away because of Lovett, some guy who had cocaine. Or because the club was unlucky enough to have a rogue player like Simona. Or because a coach got sacked (that never happens at any other club). The same things will attract players as always attract players - money and opportunities.

So much histrionics on here tonight…

 

[happy_tiger]

Further to the Sharks example - does anyone remember the last round in 2014?
[www.rugbyleagueproject.org/matches/29533](http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/matches/29533)
They won the spoon, were an absolute mess on and off the field. Won the premiership two years later.
I'm sure someone could point to a nadir for the Raiders as well. I seem to remember Sticky being very vocal about their struggles with recruitment etc.

We may not be able to go out and recruit a marquee name here and now, but if we buy some mid-tier guys on short term deals, slowly make our way back to competence, we'll be able to hit the market with a vengeance in a year or two.

Penrith didn't go out and sign Merrin and co straight away. They had to make do with experienced place-holders like Soward & Kite whilst their youth developed, and then added the rep level players down the line.

We may be able to fast-track it a little as we have basically a full team to build, but the template is there.

I'm pretty annoyed right now (more to do with our captain insulting his own fan base yet again), but there's a lot of melodramatic stuff about this being the end of the club. Sleep it off guys.

Very much agree, major problem is many (most?) fans don't do well with long-term plans, they want instant Maggie noodles success.

They want a club overhaul and wins to start mounting. For these people, the idea of "stick strong, it's going to be a long and hard but ultimately worthwhile process" doesn't sit well. Many of them will still be here if/when the process ends and success is achieved, at which time they will be glad they stuck around.

The WT's wouldn't know a successful plan if it came up bit them on the butt repeatedly

And they have proven than for every year of our existence

 

[Telltails]

We have let too many good players go for too long and not replaced them with better ones.
Teddy and Woods have both achieved individual success with the promise of team success which we as club seem no closer to achieving.
I cant blame them for moving on especially after the events of last year. It was a year of constant controversy and we really have no idea where the players allegiances lie in relation to those events.They have been tempted by opportunity elsewhere and I dont think for a minute it has been an easy decision but no doubt other clubs would have used all indeficiencies to make their own organizations look that much more attractive. WTs as an organization have to own that.

 

[jirskyr]

Further to the Sharks example - does anyone remember the last round in 2014?
[www.rugbyleagueproject.org/matches/29533](http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/matches/29533)
They won the spoon, were an absolute mess on and off the field. Won the premiership two years later.
I'm sure someone could point to a nadir for the Raiders as well. I seem to remember Sticky being very vocal about their struggles with recruitment etc.

We may not be able to go out and recruit a marquee name here and now, but if we buy some mid-tier guys on short term deals, slowly make our way back to competence, we'll be able to hit the market with a vengeance in a year or two.

Penrith didn't go out and sign Merrin and co straight away. They had to make do with experienced place-holders like Soward & Kite whilst their youth developed, and then added the rep level players down the line.

We may be able to fast-track it a little as we have basically a full team to build, but the template is there.

I'm pretty annoyed right now (more to do with our captain insulting his own fan base yet again), but there's a lot of melodramatic stuff about this being the end of the club. Sleep it off guys.

Very much agree, major problem is many (most?) fans don't do well with long-term plans, they want instant Maggie noodles success.

They want a club overhaul and wins to start mounting. For these people, the idea of "stick strong, it's going to be a long and hard but ultimately worthwhile process" doesn't sit well. Many of them will still be here if/when the process ends and success is achieved, at which time they will be glad they stuck around.

The WT's wouldn't know a successful plan if it came up bit them on the butt repeatedly

And they have proven than for every year of our existence

Different squad running Tigers these days. You can honestly say Ivan Cleary has no proven track record with successful planning?

 

[Nelson]

Further to the Sharks example - does anyone remember the last round in 2014?
[www.rugbyleagueproject.org/matches/29533](http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/matches/29533)
They won the spoon, were an absolute mess on and off the field. Won the premiership two years later.
I'm sure someone could point to a nadir for the Raiders as well. I seem to remember Sticky being very vocal about their struggles with recruitment etc.

We may not be able to go out and recruit a marquee name here and now, but if we buy some mid-tier guys on short term deals, slowly make our way back to competence, we'll be able to hit the market with a vengeance in a year or two.

Penrith didn't go out and sign Merrin and co straight away. They had to make do with experienced place-holders like Soward & Kite whilst their youth developed, and then added the rep level players down the line.

We may be able to fast-track it a little as we have basically a full team to build, but the template is there.

I'm pretty annoyed right now (more to do with our captain insulting his own fan base yet again), but there's a lot of melodramatic stuff about this being the end of the club. Sleep it off guys.

Very much agree, major problem is many (most?) fans don't do well with long-term plans, they want instant Maggie noodles success.

They want a club overhaul and wins to start mounting. For these people, the idea of "stick strong, it's going to be a long and hard but ultimately worthwhile process" doesn't sit well. Many of them will still be here if/when the process ends and success is achieved, at which time they will be glad they stuck around.

The WT's wouldn't know a successful plan if it came up bit them on the butt repeatedly

And they have proven than for every year of our existence

Different squad running Tigers these days. You can honestly say Ivan Cleary has no proven track record with successful planning?

He's incapable of saying anything vaguely positive about the club or anyone associated with it. He's having a worse temper tantrum than my 2 year old…

 

[happy_tiger]

Cleary the best coach we have had since Sheens happy.

And we were in a far, far bigger mess in 2003 when Sheens took over.

Won't matter , no playing talent , or we will won't get the mix right again

But seriously Eddie look at how many weeks in a row we have been the centre of bad press , Simona ,Lovett , sacking JT , Cleary being headhunted back in January , shocking performances

CEO's would laugh at players managers saying you had a 900 k offer to go to the WT's

There reply " do you really want to go to the WT's "

You'd have the players /players managers and CEO all in hysterics :roll

Yeah I'm sure they'll stay away because of Lovett, some guy who had cocaine. Or because the club was unlucky enough to have a rogue player like Simona. Or because a coach got sacked (that never happens at any other club). The same things will attract players as always attract players - money and opportunities.

So much histrionics on here tonight…

Nothing to do with histrionics at all

Look at our first signing ,McQueen

Is he even remotely what this club needs as far as back rowers are concerned ??

Nup

You seem to forget that according to Simona multiple players were involved in the drug taking at the end of season bash which the club won't investigate

Why ??

When you can get the same money , same opportunities and can stay away from a basket case

If you compared us to the other clubs we are really high risk with heaps of downsides

All good Nelson you support your club your way and I'll support it my way

I'm all about accountability , this club would think that's got something to do with how well our bank accounts stack up

And to everyone else here thinks my opinions and thoughts suck report me to the Mods or put me on Foe

Simple really

 

[happy_tiger]

Further to the Sharks example - does anyone remember the last round in 2014?
[www.rugbyleagueproject.org/matches/29533](http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/matches/29533)
They won the spoon, were an absolute mess on and off the field. Won the premiership two years later.
I'm sure someone could point to a nadir for the Raiders as well. I seem to remember Sticky being very vocal about their struggles with recruitment etc.

We may not be able to go out and recruit a marquee name here and now, but if we buy some mid-tier guys on short term deals, slowly make our way back to competence, we'll be able to hit the market with a vengeance in a year or two.

Penrith didn't go out and sign Merrin and co straight away. They had to make do with experienced place-holders like Soward & Kite whilst their youth developed, and then added the rep level players down the line.

We may be able to fast-track it a little as we have basically a full team to build, but the template is there.

I'm pretty annoyed right now (more to do with our captain insulting his own fan base yet again), but there's a lot of melodramatic stuff about this being the end of the club. Sleep it off guys.

Very much agree, major problem is many (most?) fans don't do well with long-term plans, they want instant Maggie noodles success.

They want a club overhaul and wins to start mounting. For these people, the idea of "stick strong, it's going to be a long and hard but ultimately worthwhile process" doesn't sit well. Many of them will still be here if/when the process ends and success is achieved, at which time they will be glad they stuck around.

The WT's wouldn't know a successful plan if it came up bit them on the butt repeatedly

And they have proven than for every year of our existence

Different squad running Tigers these days. You can honestly say Ivan Cleary has no proven track record with successful planning?

We'll see , Rd 1 2018 starting line up should be good

JMK at 6

Hunt at 1

Woo hoo back to the future I say , get on that bus boys and girls

 

[ricksen]

Sleep it off happy, you're letting yourself down mate.

 

[Eddie]

Agree with what ricksen said.

Your a highly respected poster on here happy.

What set you off to this extent?

 

[happy_tiger]

Sleep it off happy, you're letting yourself down mate.

Sober as a judge Ricksen

Better get used to it :angry:

No apologies

 

[Nelson]

Cleary the best coach we have had since Sheens happy.

And we were in a far, far bigger mess in 2003 when Sheens took over.

Won't matter , no playing talent , or we will won't get the mix right again

But seriously Eddie look at how many weeks in a row we have been the centre of bad press , Simona ,Lovett , sacking JT , Cleary being headhunted back in January , shocking performances

CEO's would laugh at players managers saying you had a 900 k offer to go to the WT's

There reply " do you really want to go to the WT's "

You'd have the players /players managers and CEO all in hysterics :roll

Yeah I'm sure they'll stay away because of Lovett, some guy who had cocaine. Or because the club was unlucky enough to have a rogue player like Simona. Or because a coach got sacked (that never happens at any other club). The same things will attract players as always attract players - money and opportunities.

So much histrionics on here tonight…

Nothing to do with histrionics at all

Look at our first signing ,McQueen

Is he even remotely what this club needs as far as back rowers are concerned ??

Nup

You seem to forget that according to Simona multiple players were involved in the drug taking at the end of season bash which the club won't investigate

Why ??

When you can get the same money , same opportunities and can stay away from a basket case

If you compared us to the other clubs we are really high risk with heaps of downsides

All good Nelson you support your club your way and I'll support it my way

I'm all about accountability , this club would think that's got something to do with how well our bank accounts stack up

And to everyone else here thinks my opinions and thoughts suck report me to the Mods or put me on Foe

Simple really

Who do you think they should have targeted as a back rower? Come on, try and provide some answers instead of just criticising their every move.

Drug taking at an end of season party would not come as a suprise to many players, if that is in fact what happened. How do you expect them to investigate? Ask everyone? That should be really effective. Ask the alleged fraudster whose been banned from the game and rely on his "word" to sanction players? They answer to your "why don't they investigate" is probably that they don't want to engage in a completely fruitless pursuit for the sake of show.

The idea of money and opportunity would be to offer more money and better opportunities. Some players will just go for the money, it's that simple. Up and comers who are riding the bench will come for a starting spot. Kalyn Ponga left the Cowboys for the Knights (money and opportunity). Kieran Foran went to the Eels from a successful Manly side (money). Kevin Proctor went to the Titans (money). It happens all the time. We will get some quality recruits.

 

[Needaname]

Cleary the best coach we have had since Sheens happy.

And we were in a far, far bigger mess in 2003 when Sheens took over.

Won't matter , no playing talent , or we will won't get the mix right again

But seriously Eddie look at how many weeks in a row we have been the centre of bad press , Simona ,Lovett , sacking JT , Cleary being headhunted back in January , shocking performances

CEO's would laugh at players managers saying you had a 900 k offer to go to the WT's

There reply " do you really want to go to the WT's "

You'd have the players /players managers and CEO all in hysterics :roll

Yeah I'm sure they'll stay away because of Lovett, some guy who had cocaine. Or because the club was unlucky enough to have a rogue player like Simona. Or because a coach got sacked (that never happens at any other club). The same things will attract players as always attract players - money and opportunities.

So much histrionics on here tonight…

Nothing to do with histrionics at all

Look at our first signing ,McQueen

Is he even remotely what this club needs as far as back rowers are concerned ??

Nup

You seem to forget that according to Simona multiple players were involved in the drug taking at the end of season bash which the club won't investigate

Why ??

When you can get the same money , same opportunities and can stay away from a basket case

If you compared us to the other clubs we are really high risk with heaps of downsides

All good Nelson you support your club your way and I'll support it my way

I'm all about accountability , this club would think that's got something to do with how well our bank accounts stack up

And to everyone else here thinks my opinions and thoughts suck report me to the Mods or put me on Foe

Simple really

It's ok mate I get it I think the same.
Im looking at these guys leaving and seeing the size of the war chest and thinking to myself wooh here we go.
But in the same breath I'm concerned that the club is not in anyway attractive and that money isn't going to account for nothing.
I said to my mate the other day, "they all leave and Brooks stays great time for Rebuild", he looked and said "another rebuild?"
I said "what do you mean another rebuild? we haven't had one yet. We haven't had someone (besides brian smith so lets just write that off) that has actually taken off the Black and gold glasses and then someone else take off the black and white glasses and say we'll that's us done". We started with potter, than the fans/ media started getting anxious then we here this rediculas dribble by our upper management and say "next year top 4 the following year a premiership". Whilst sitting back and expecting it to fall in our lap.
We are in the EXACT same spot as the Knights were the start of last year at the end of this year.
Slight differences being we have players with first grade miles in there legs. But I still question there first grade experience over those miles.
We have about 6 positions we need to cover in our top squad and we need to fill that with experience.
The game play and game plans will come once our team finally gets the right kind of experience on the padock.
I think it was not expected from tigers management that the 4 would leave when they hired cleary but I also think he was hired to get the right result.
On the other side I think cleary took the job on not expecting them to stay and already has plans of a rebuild set to go.
It's no coincidence that Brooks was targeted first. Teams need a halfback, and there is a massive shortage of them. Five eight a little bit easier to cook up. Most are athletes and great runners but ball skills come second.
To get the players interested as you say, we need to offer them more money. We need to essentially sacrifice our depth for the next couple of years and sign everyone outside our 21 on minimum or close to minimum wage. We will be approaching this as a bit of a hibrid recuitment strategy between the Panthers and the titans as we don't have a bunch of talented rookies waiting to bust into grade in a couple of years time like the Panthers did.
At the same time we can't afford to chuck out our whole team and start with a brand new unrecognizable squad like the titans have. The answer lies somewhere in the middle and in the end we'll end up with a team similar to the Raiders. Have faith!
What we need to do is sign medium range mid 20s to early 30s first graders with 100 games plus and use them to create the dynamic we are so desperately after.
I would be looking at players like.
Tyrone Roberts.
Josh McCrone.
Will Hopate.
Will Zillman.
Jacob Lillyman.
James Graham.
Michael Gordon.
Josh Dugan.
Daniel Tupou.
Shaun Kenny Dowel.
Matt Prior.
Alex Glen.
Can't think of any others at this Stage.

 

[coopy]

Chookpen are saying done deal April 12 so should be announced in a few days for that 10 day cool off

I'm not gonna watch nrl again I'm done

Mate that is extreme. Seriously if we don't sign Teddy your done?
No player would ever have that effect on me as much as I seriously get the poops with how our Club has been run the last few years.
If they go? Big deal we evaluate the situation and see what is our next plan of attack.
At the moment it all seems doom and gloom but within 2 years I think the tide will turn and we will have a great side, laugh at me all you want.

I have to say that I am bit with BandG forever. Does anyone remember JTs comments about rebuilding, that it will take time? We needed to develop our juniors etc. Well with our marquee forward and back look to be leaving because evidently they don't like the place plus a whole heap of other also rans. I feel like we are back to square one again.

I followed Wests through the good and mostly bad in the 80s and 90s. Stayed true even when we were uncompetitive cause we always tried. But this club rolls from drama to drama. We had a few good years after the Seers, McGuiness and Hopoate incidents but since 2012, I reckon with exception of Parra, we have been in the media more than any other club for its off-field dramas.

The Sheens fiasco, Benj's departure, Farah versus Potter, the salary cap debacle, JT's handling of Farah, JT's sacking, Simona affair, the "big four" and now this. Plus any other controversies that I have forgotten.All without a single year of on-field success.

Why would anyone bother? Certainly questions your resolve!

 

[2041]

NFL is not really a good example to use in this regard, the NFL season is 5 months long, NRL season is up to 9 months for some players. We do need a better system but an October/ November signing period will not work when many players are playing international football.

Season length has nothing to do with it, baseball play 162 games a year and do the smart thing and have free agency when?? you guess it when the season ends in October!!! so they have free agency signings happen in November ready for spring training in March/. their is also international baseball too

NRL is run by armatures there are, and dont give me that crap about players wanna know where they wanna be with 7 months notice, because not us real life people who work jobs don't get paid 800k a year to know where we will be in 7 months time either

Don't they have a pre-contract window in EPL from January, for players to sign deals for the next season while seeing out the current one with their clubs? That league seems to go alright.

In European soccer, there's a transfer window in their Summer that opens at the conclusion of the various seasons, and closes at the end of August.
There's another mid-season transfer window for the duration of January.
Players move as they're signed, then and there.
Not really a great comparison though, as contracts are bought out by clubs, and very few players move as free agents. There's also loans and even co-ownership (in Italy), so they're a bit all over the shop.

The American examples are slightly more relevant in that free agency is a big thing, but the comparison suffers when you see the differences in $$.
The AFL system isn't perfect by any means, but it's a damn sight better than the current NRL incarnation, and we should definitely have a look at their system to see where we can improve (protected contracts for home-grown players, signing windows, trades, internal draft etc).

European footballers can sign pre-contracts in the January window to move at the end of the season. They play for their current clubs until then.

 

[jadtiger]

Farah treatment did not help in all this.

That is for certain.

People that tore threads off Farah won't admit it.

However the proof is in the pudding.

Everything was mean tot be hunky dory without him this year? Give the control to the kids? No distractions right?

Yeah. :blush:

Agreed Eddie i have no idea how much it has effected their decisions but the way Robbie was treated by JT would have played part in their decisions to leave

 

[Geo]

Wait a second….I left this on page 100 come back.. .How did the Tedesco contract thread become about happy..

Anyone who thinks losing Tedesco can be a good thing or what's he done to get this team anywhere is.. :crazy

 

[hobbo]

Wait a second….I left this on page 100 come back.. .How did the Tedesco contract thread become about happy..

Anyone who thinks losing Tedesco can be a good thing or what's he done to get this team anywhere is.. :crazy

Happys trying to get off the bus but he won't fit through the emergency window :laughing:

 

[TimmyB]

Jeez there's some sooks in here, lead by the King Happy Tiger.

I'm in agreement with Eddie that common sense suggests Tedesco will be a Rooster. Smoke fire etc. It will be a disaster when it happens. It's also sickening to think it's the damn Roosters. Not many fans, just a rich chairman and a disproportionately wealthy group of supporters. It is what it is. This is our nadir, but we will come back. It's pretty clear that Ashfield taking over the club will only bring good things to the club in terms of pumping money in. We will turn it around, it's just going to be a bit more pain, but we are used to that, right?

 

[Eye_Of_Da_Tiger]

I think Wests Tigers as a brand will suffer with the depatature of Tedesco. Let's face it an announcement is iminant and probably only days away.

Woods we can all cope with, Teddy is a special player and the club really should have secured his signature along time ago.His the type of player that changes games, kids idol and put bums on seats.If he goes so should some if the hierarchy. Let's face it who here really looks forward to the footy anymore?.
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My 11 year old who proudly says Wests Tigers won the premiership the year he was born told me he dosent want to follow NRL anymore , his sick of other kids rubbishing him about following Wests Tigers. Similar can be said for my other 2 kids they have lost interest .

 

[der_Tiger]

Jeez there's some sooks in here, lead by the King Happy Tiger.

I'm in agreement with Eddie that common sense suggests Tedesco will be a Rooster. Smoke fire etc. It will be a disaster when it happens. It's also sickening to think it's the damn Roosters. Not many fans, just a rich chairman and a disproportionately wealthy group of supporters. It is what it is. This is our nadir, but we will come back. It's pretty clear that Ashfield taking over the club will only bring good things to the club in terms of pumping money in. We will turn it around, it's just going to be a bit more pain, but we are used to that, right?

Well said. I for one am finally feeling more optimistic about things now. The potential culture change advantages are enticing.
Irks that Bird to Broncs and Teddy maybe to Rorters though, anyone else but them. Shows the system is not just broken but diabolical