James Tedesco Signs with Roosters [Official]

[Cultured_Bogan]

Foran? How could you trust him mentally as a player
Johnson is Benji Marshall 2.0
Dugan also off field dramas and always injured
Widdop, -where going off a good first 6 weeks here before that his team couldn't score trys

so yeah the free agents list isn't as good as people think

Widdop performs behind packs that give him room. No surprise that he did well at Melbourne and once the Saints got a forward pack that actually didn't get dominated.

Saints incorrectly attribute that to Marshall being the issue. Marshall wasn't the issue. Marshall outperformed Widdop because he carved his career out of playing behind a regularly dominated pack at Wests.

 

[sjtiger]

Foran? How could you trust him mentally as a player
Johnson is Benji Marshall 2.0
Dugan also off field dramas and always injured
Widdop, -where going off a good first 6 weeks here before that his team couldn't score trys

so yeah the free agents list isn't as good as people think

I'd have Johnson any day of the week.
Widdop…ditto
Dugan...no
Foran...wont happen...dogs or knights for him.

Really dont agree with your descriptions except Dugan...

 

[happy_tiger]

Yeah they are tearing hinges off the doors down trying to get a work out at the gym at Concord aren't they Paws …

Lined up all the way to the Qld and Melbourne borders

Thats the spirit.

Mate I don't care the players are leaving , I care why it is happening

Stick your head in the sand all you like , happy footballers don't leave happy clubs especially when they get offers that are above market value

They know that this club will never get it , no matter what changes it still stays the same

Do people realize when you take out the Sheens years our winning percentage is at 30.4% around 9% lower than the next club's lowest winning percentage since 2000

That's scary bad , real scary bad

I simply don't agree with this. Happy footballers don't leave clubs. I'm sorry mate but they leave all the time. Why aren't they happy as well. I mean being paid a tonne of money to play for the club you support can't be that bad. This is what I mean by you exaggerate things to crazy levels. These guys aren't getting abused or shafted or anything like that. They are just making decisions to earn more money.

This is basically a money grab. They've waited for the salary cap to be raised to cash in and it hasn't worked out.

I also want a better winning percentage but that is predominantly to do with the squad and coaching staff we've had. We can fix that if we don't pay overs for players that aren't worth the money and we get a decent coach. I think Clearly seems great. I think Woods going is great for the club. Losing Tedesco would be really bad but for the amount of money we are paying him it may work out as well. He isn't winning games by himself. Phil Gould wrote an article stating no player was worth a million dollars. I tend to agree with him.

I can't speak for all players but I know the story about one and most would argue he is our best

If you were the best employee for your employer you'd expect your employer not to make many of the steps throughout your career as hard as it could possibly be

I reckon I could fill half a page with stuff that Tedesco has had to battle with the club to get back that was fairly his

Compensation with surgeries ,studies , unfulfilled promises of cars They compensation for his 1st knee surgery took months to get back

Just remember these blokes at this stage are on league minimums usually as well

I don't blame our best players wanting to leave , surely this garbage that our club rolls out continuously off and on the paddock can't happen at the better clubs and then you get to make the semis as well and don't have to put up with this constant media barrage

This season we have been on the front and back page of the papers for every week of almost every month in the season and pre season

Don't blame the players for leaving , blame the club , the players have meet their side of the bargain , the club doesn't meet its side

Why would anyone want to stay , if you are staying it's because you know that no one else in the market place wants you

IE Brooks

 

[king_sirro]

Foran? How could you trust him mentally as a player
Johnson is Benji Marshall 2.0
Dugan also off field dramas and always injured
Widdop, -where going off a good first 6 weeks here before that his team couldn't score trys

so yeah the free agents list isn't as good as people think

I dont believe Johnson is Benji 2.0 at all. He is brilliant like him but has less mistakes. They are different characters. Benji is high in personality and talk, takes too much control for what his strengths are. Johnson is quiet, so rarely overplays his hand. Plays his best when he can relax and leave the organisong to someone else. Thats what Brooks will do for him. Brooks plays better with more responsibility while Johnson plays better with less. Perfect combination IMO.

 

[Baze]

it's a well known fact the Roosters know how to attract star players, Brad Fittler $BW Craig Wing Anasta (at the time he was a star) should I list more?? They just know how to make the moves.

from reading that Teddy signed with them April 12 that should be announced Friday ? great just before the dogs game

You can't win the comp without star players, that is why the storm are up their every year along with Broncos and roosters and Manly.

all those taling about raiders and panthers// well sorry the panthers 5 year plan is in year 7 aint working.. and the faiders will never get to a grand final because they simply don't have star players. and their defense is crap they have to score 30 points to win a game. they will be found out by teams like the roosters and storm

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That date of 12th of April is incorrect. I'm not sure how it came about but Tedesco made his decision this past Tuesday (18th April), so it could be sometime before it is made official.

 

[king_sirro]

Thats the spirit.

Mate I don't care the players are leaving , I care why it is happening

Stick your head in the sand all you like , happy footballers don't leave happy clubs especially when they get offers that are above market value

They know that this club will never get it , no matter what changes it still stays the same

Do people realize when you take out the Sheens years our winning percentage is at 30.4% around 9% lower than the next club's lowest winning percentage since 2000

That's scary bad , real scary bad

I simply don't agree with this. Happy footballers don't leave clubs. I'm sorry mate but they leave all the time. Why aren't they happy as well. I mean being paid a tonne of money to play for the club you support can't be that bad. This is what I mean by you exaggerate things to crazy levels. These guys aren't getting abused or shafted or anything like that. They are just making decisions to earn more money.

This is basically a money grab. They've waited for the salary cap to be raised to cash in and it hasn't worked out.

I also want a better winning percentage but that is predominantly to do with the squad and coaching staff we've had. We can fix that if we don't pay overs for players that aren't worth the money and we get a decent coach. I think Clearly seems great. I think Woods going is great for the club. Losing Tedesco would be really bad but for the amount of money we are paying him it may work out as well. He isn't winning games by himself. Phil Gould wrote an article stating no player was worth a million dollars. I tend to agree with him.

I can't speak for all players but I know the story about one and most would argue he is our best

If you were the best employee for your employer you'd expect your employer not to make many of the steps throughout your career as hard as it could possibly be

I reckon I could fill half a page with stuff that Tedesco has had to battle with the club to get back that was fairly his

Compensation with surgeries ,studies , unfulfilled promises of cars They compensation for his 1st knee surgery took months to get back

Just remember these blokes at this stage are on league minimums usually as well

I don't blame our best players wanting to leave , surely this garbage that our club rolls out continuously off and on the paddock can't happen at the better clubs and then you get to make the semis as well and don't have to put up with this constant media barrage

This season we have been on the front and back page of the papers for every week of almost every month in the season and pre season

Don't blame the players for leaving , blame the club , the players have meet their side of the bargain , the club doesn't meet its side

Why would anyone want to stay , if you are staying it's because you know that no one else in the market place wants you

IE Brooks

Happy some of that doesn't make sense to me, maybe you can clarify or maybe i have read it wrong. You say the club took ages to compensate Teddy for his knee injury, does that mean that the player pays for the operation and rehab then invoices the club to get the money back? I just would never believe that. If that does happen then whoever is responsible should be shot.

 

[ricksen]

Season length has nothing to do with it, baseball play 162 games a year and do the smart thing and have free agency when?? you guess it when the season ends in October!!! so they have free agency signings happen in November ready for spring training in March/. their is also international baseball too

NRL is run by armatures there are, and dont give me that crap about players wanna know where they wanna be with 7 months notice, because not us real life people who work jobs don't get paid 800k a year to know where we will be in 7 months time either

Don't they have a pre-contract window in EPL from January, for players to sign deals for the next season while seeing out the current one with their clubs? That league seems to go alright.

In European soccer, there's a transfer window in their Summer that opens at the conclusion of the various seasons, and closes at the end of August.
There's another mid-season transfer window for the duration of January.
Players move as they're signed, then and there.
Not really a great comparison though, as contracts are bought out by clubs, and very few players move as free agents. There's also loans and even co-ownership (in Italy), so they're a bit all over the shop.

The American examples are slightly more relevant in that free agency is a big thing, but the comparison suffers when you see the differences in $$.
The AFL system isn't perfect by any means, but it's a damn sight better than the current NRL incarnation, and we should definitely have a look at their system to see where we can improve (protected contracts for home-grown players, signing windows, trades, internal draft etc).

European footballers can sign pre-contracts in the January window to move at the end of the season. They play for their current clubs until then.

Sure - but how often does that happen in practice, especially when moving within the same league?
The vast majority of transfers at the top level involve transfer feees.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Dunno why people are so upset about potentially losing players that have no advanced this team in any sense to be a contender

Stand back and look at this all from a distance without any emotion involved

You have 15 other clubs to choose from , most have state of the art conditions , many have one home ground /fortress , financially pretty sound , multiple investors ,sponsors great supporters base , strong playing personnel , TPA's coming from left right and centre

Many have made the Top 8 in the last 5 years and have a proud history of this

And then look at us , seriously look at us without the Tigers shades

We are an abomination , a joke , why would anyone risk their careers coming here

I mean this seriously , be honest with yourselves everyone , why the hell would you want to even waste your time driving here if you were one of the games premier players

Look at our clubs supposed superstars and what they are saying , glowing endorsements aren't they …..

I know I've had a crappy week and a half , but this club ...... :deadhorse:

Cronulla Sharks are absolutely not the team you are describing above, they couldn't even get jersey sponsors a few years ago and now they are reigning premiers.

Of course there are people wearing Tigers shades, but there are also people who take all this very hard because they are Tigers supporters.

What do you think Knights or Penrith or Warriors supporters are feeling right now, Dogs supporters even, do you reckon they think their club is going great, on the up? People take the negatives of their own clubs hard.

Saints were a joke this time last year and now look at them, they hardly even changed their roster, just tweaked a few things. I mean Josh McCrone is their starting halfback, how laughable is that, and they are top of the comp.

I'm with SG, a couple of blokes might walk out of the side and actually I am not that fussed. We are not winning with these players right now. You can argue we need to supplement these players with better quality, but when you are taking up a massive chunk of the salary cap, you lose that ability to build true depth, you need more output for your marquee investment.

This is where I understand very much where SG is coming from in terms of financial analysis. Some players just aren't worth the salaries they are trying to get, their output is not that good. That is not to say they aren't good players, just that you need to balance the entire side.

Tigers have not had a balanced side for 6 years and it's shown. So we can continue to pour money into a handful of players and hope something clicks later this year or next year, maybe the new coach has ideas, or just maybe we are better off with a better overall side at the expense of a few high-profile footballers.

This guy gets it. Finally someone who legitimately understands the process.

Are you on a retainer from the club FG ?
Looks and sounds like you are on a mission to convince the masses that the club is doing a great job on the retention front , and everything is peaches and cream. Or are you just a super egotist?

 

[LooseTiger]

All rep players my dear friend

Its not like our former rep players brought in premierships other than Robbie

 

[king_sirro]

Im not sure how anyone can argue with Smoking Gun on this. The analogy cant be argued. The players leaving have taken up big money and not delivered victories. So if we are not winning with them, how can they be a loss?

The key now is to actually get a better balanced team across the park, become competitive week in week out, then maybe look for a game changer to add down the track. Or who knows, we may get that game changer straight away in Johnson.

I feel the Johnson situation is this, if he is hungry to realise his potential, he will leave the Warriors, and with Cleary our coach, 2 former team mates who played their best footy with him in ET and Matulino, he will be a Tiger. If he is haply to cruise through his career then we have no chance of getting him.

 

[happy_tiger]

Mate I don't care the players are leaving , I care why it is happening

Stick your head in the sand all you like , happy footballers don't leave happy clubs especially when they get offers that are above market value

They know that this club will never get it , no matter what changes it still stays the same

Do people realize when you take out the Sheens years our winning percentage is at 30.4% around 9% lower than the next club's lowest winning percentage since 2000

That's scary bad , real scary bad

I simply don't agree with this. Happy footballers don't leave clubs. I'm sorry mate but they leave all the time. Why aren't they happy as well. I mean being paid a tonne of money to play for the club you support can't be that bad. This is what I mean by you exaggerate things to crazy levels. These guys aren't getting abused or shafted or anything like that. They are just making decisions to earn more money.

This is basically a money grab. They've waited for the salary cap to be raised to cash in and it hasn't worked out.

I also want a better winning percentage but that is predominantly to do with the squad and coaching staff we've had. We can fix that if we don't pay overs for players that aren't worth the money and we get a decent coach. I think Clearly seems great. I think Woods going is great for the club. Losing Tedesco would be really bad but for the amount of money we are paying him it may work out as well. He isn't winning games by himself. Phil Gould wrote an article stating no player was worth a million dollars. I tend to agree with him.

I can't speak for all players but I know the story about one and most would argue he is our best

If you were the best employee for your employer you'd expect your employer not to make many of the steps throughout your career as hard as it could possibly be

I reckon I could fill half a page with stuff that Tedesco has had to battle with the club to get back that was fairly his

Compensation with surgeries ,studies , unfulfilled promises of cars They compensation for his 1st knee surgery took months to get back

Just remember these blokes at this stage are on league minimums usually as well

I don't blame our best players wanting to leave , surely this garbage that our club rolls out continuously off and on the paddock can't happen at the better clubs and then you get to make the semis as well and don't have to put up with this constant media barrage

This season we have been on the front and back page of the papers for every week of almost every month in the season and pre season

Don't blame the players for leaving , blame the club , the players have meet their side of the bargain , the club doesn't meet its side

Why would anyone want to stay , if you are staying it's because you know that no one else in the market place wants you

IE Brooks

Happy some of that doesn't make sense to me, maybe you can clarify or maybe i have read it wrong. You say the club took ages to compensate Teddy for his knee injury, does that mean that the player pays for the operation and rehab then invoices the club to get the money back? I just would never believe that. If that does happen then whoever is responsible should be shot.

Not the whole surgery , the excess and the whatever the excess from the gap is of course

But it shouldn't take months to do , should it

And then you have the last saga when the club wouldn't return calls

My point KS , people think it is this one single thing , it's not and I bet he will get treated far better by clubs that recognize that if you don't have the best players you don't win footy games , you don't make the semis and players aren't happy

And I know people are getting pissed at my negative attitude , but many fans don't know the whole story

Again I'm not angry the players are leaving , I'm angry at why and how the club is STILL doing nothing about it

We firstly blame coaches , then the players , lets start blaming the processes in place that continually get the same results year after year

We have the worst winning record of any club in the last 16 seasons and people don't have an issue or just straight out won't accept it

 

[old_man_tiger]

Mate I don't care the players are leaving , I care why it is happening

Stick your head in the sand all you like , happy footballers don't leave happy clubs especially when they get offers that are above market value

They know that this club will never get it , no matter what changes it still stays the same

Do people realize when you take out the Sheens years our winning percentage is at 30.4% around 9% lower than the next club's lowest winning percentage since 2000

That's scary bad , real scary bad

I simply don't agree with this. Happy footballers don't leave clubs. I'm sorry mate but they leave all the time. Why aren't they happy as well. I mean being paid a tonne of money to play for the club you support can't be that bad. This is what I mean by you exaggerate things to crazy levels. These guys aren't getting abused or shafted or anything like that. They are just making decisions to earn more money.

This is basically a money grab. They've waited for the salary cap to be raised to cash in and it hasn't worked out.

I also want a better winning percentage but that is predominantly to do with the squad and coaching staff we've had. We can fix that if we don't pay overs for players that aren't worth the money and we get a decent coach. I think Clearly seems great. I think Woods going is great for the club. Losing Tedesco would be really bad but for the amount of money we are paying him it may work out as well. He isn't winning games by himself. Phil Gould wrote an article stating no player was worth a million dollars. I tend to agree with him.

I can't speak for all players but I know the story about one and most would argue he is our best

If you were the best employee for your employer you'd expect your employer not to make many of the steps throughout your career as hard as it could possibly be

I reckon I could fill half a page with stuff that Tedesco has had to battle with the club to get back that was fairly his

Compensation with surgeries ,studies , unfulfilled promises of cars They compensation for his 1st knee surgery took months to get back

Just remember these blokes at this stage are on league minimums usually as well

I don't blame our best players wanting to leave , surely this garbage that our club rolls out continuously off and on the paddock can't happen at the better clubs and then you get to make the semis as well and don't have to put up with this constant media barrage

This season we have been on the front and back page of the papers for every week of almost every month in the season and pre season

Don't blame the players for leaving , blame the club , the players have meet their side of the bargain , the club doesn't meet its side

Why would anyone want to stay , if you are staying it's because you know that no one else in the market place wants you

IE Brooks

Happy some of that doesn't make sense to me, maybe you can clarify or maybe i have read it wrong. You say the club took ages to compensate Teddy for his knee injury, does that mean that the player pays for the operation and rehab then invoices the club to get the money back? I just would never believe that. If that does happen then whoever is responsible should be shot.

If all that is true why did he stay last time?
If offering a guy a million or more a year to play footy isn't a sign of respect then I don't know what is.

I'm guessing happy has flipped his lid because he has confirmation teddy is gone. Same thing happened last time from memory.

I have a lot of time for Happy, his knowledge and humor are great. However, in this current negotiation I don't blame the club.

It can be this easy - here is the money, we think you're our future and this is the best we can do. Do you want to stay?

That is a yes or no question that Teddy or any of the others could have answered months ago.

 

[Milky]

We have a stack load of cash left over from Robbie, Teddy, Woods & Moses.

I am dissapointed with the players we have lost but we have to move forward.

Look at the quality players available on the market.

Foran, Widdop, Shaun Johnson, Dugan, Matulino, Paasi, Tetevano, Alex Johnston, Guerra

Surely we can nab 1 FB and 1 half out of Dugan,A.Johnston, Foran, Widdop & S.Johnson

There is quality out there and hopefully we are headed in the right direction.

Cant believe we are after Hopoate and Liccha

We can't even keep our own, we aren't getting any Marquee players mate. Johnson is the only MAYBE and thats due to his relationship with Cleary, apart from that no chance.

 

[king_sirro]

I simply don't agree with this. Happy footballers don't leave clubs. I'm sorry mate but they leave all the time. Why aren't they happy as well. I mean being paid a tonne of money to play for the club you support can't be that bad. This is what I mean by you exaggerate things to crazy levels. These guys aren't getting abused or shafted or anything like that. They are just making decisions to earn more money.

This is basically a money grab. They've waited for the salary cap to be raised to cash in and it hasn't worked out.

I also want a better winning percentage but that is predominantly to do with the squad and coaching staff we've had. We can fix that if we don't pay overs for players that aren't worth the money and we get a decent coach. I think Clearly seems great. I think Woods going is great for the club. Losing Tedesco would be really bad but for the amount of money we are paying him it may work out as well. He isn't winning games by himself. Phil Gould wrote an article stating no player was worth a million dollars. I tend to agree with him.

I can't speak for all players but I know the story about one and most would argue he is our best

If you were the best employee for your employer you'd expect your employer not to make many of the steps throughout your career as hard as it could possibly be

I reckon I could fill half a page with stuff that Tedesco has had to battle with the club to get back that was fairly his

Compensation with surgeries ,studies , unfulfilled promises of cars They compensation for his 1st knee surgery took months to get back

Just remember these blokes at this stage are on league minimums usually as well

I don't blame our best players wanting to leave , surely this garbage that our club rolls out continuously off and on the paddock can't happen at the better clubs and then you get to make the semis as well and don't have to put up with this constant media barrage

This season we have been on the front and back page of the papers for every week of almost every month in the season and pre season

Don't blame the players for leaving , blame the club , the players have meet their side of the bargain , the club doesn't meet its side

Why would anyone want to stay , if you are staying it's because you know that no one else in the market place wants you

IE Brooks

Happy some of that doesn't make sense to me, maybe you can clarify or maybe i have read it wrong. You say the club took ages to compensate Teddy for his knee injury, does that mean that the player pays for the operation and rehab then invoices the club to get the money back? I just would never believe that. If that does happen then whoever is responsible should be shot.

Not the whole surgery , the excess and the whatever the excess from the gap is of course

But it shouldn't take months to do , should it

And then you have the last saga when the club wouldn't return calls

My point KS , people think it is this one single thing , it's not and I bet he will get treated far better by clubs that recognize that if you don't have the best players you don't win footy games , you don't make the semis and players aren't happy

And I know people are getting pissed at my negative attitude , but many fans don't know the whole story

Again I'm not angry the players are leaving , I'm angry at why and how the club is STILL doing nothing about it

We firstly blame coaches , then the players , lets start blaming the processes in place that continually get the same results year after year

We have the worst winning record of any club in the last 16 seasons and people don't have an issue or just straight out won't accept it

I hear what your saying mate, but i have to stay on this surgery point for a second. By saying he didn't get the excess back etc means Tedesco payed for the surgery yes? I dont believe that for a second.

 

[happy_tiger]

Wait a second….I left this on page 100 come back.. .How did the Tedesco contract thread become about happy..

Anyone who thinks losing Tedesco can be a good thing or what's he done to get this team anywhere is.. :crazy

yeah course it is about me ….. :imp:

As I said before and last night , don't like it Foe me

And if the Mods don't like it , well they know what they can do about it :bulb:

 

[Bones]

I simply don't agree with this. Happy footballers don't leave clubs. I'm sorry mate but they leave all the time. Why aren't they happy as well. I mean being paid a tonne of money to play for the club you support can't be that bad. This is what I mean by you exaggerate things to crazy levels. These guys aren't getting abused or shafted or anything like that. They are just making decisions to earn more money.

This is basically a money grab. They've waited for the salary cap to be raised to cash in and it hasn't worked out.

I also want a better winning percentage but that is predominantly to do with the squad and coaching staff we've had. We can fix that if we don't pay overs for players that aren't worth the money and we get a decent coach. I think Clearly seems great. I think Woods going is great for the club. Losing Tedesco would be really bad but for the amount of money we are paying him it may work out as well. He isn't winning games by himself. Phil Gould wrote an article stating no player was worth a million dollars. I tend to agree with him.

I can't speak for all players but I know the story about one and most would argue he is our best

If you were the best employee for your employer you'd expect your employer not to make many of the steps throughout your career as hard as it could possibly be

I reckon I could fill half a page with stuff that Tedesco has had to battle with the club to get back that was fairly his

Compensation with surgeries ,studies , unfulfilled promises of cars They compensation for his 1st knee surgery took months to get back

Just remember these blokes at this stage are on league minimums usually as well

I don't blame our best players wanting to leave , surely this garbage that our club rolls out continuously off and on the paddock can't happen at the better clubs and then you get to make the semis as well and don't have to put up with this constant media barrage

This season we have been on the front and back page of the papers for every week of almost every month in the season and pre season

Don't blame the players for leaving , blame the club , the players have meet their side of the bargain , the club doesn't meet its side

Why would anyone want to stay , if you are staying it's because you know that no one else in the market place wants you

IE Brooks

Happy some of that doesn't make sense to me, maybe you can clarify or maybe i have read it wrong. You say the club took ages to compensate Teddy for his knee injury, does that mean that the player pays for the operation and rehab then invoices the club to get the money back? I just would never believe that. If that does happen then whoever is responsible should be shot.

If all that is true why did he stay last time?
If offering a guy a million or more a year to play footy isn't a sign of respect then I don't know what is.

I'm guessing happy has flipped his lid because he has confirmation teddy is gone. Same thing happened last time from memory.

I have a lot of time for Happy, his knowledge and humor are great. However, in this current negotiation I don't blame the club.

It can be this easy - here is the money, we think you're our future and this is the best we can do. Do you want to stay?

That is a yes or no question that Teddy or any of the others could have answered months ago.

Agree. If he is upset with things that happened 3 and 4 years ago there is nothing anyone can do about that.

If he still feels that the same issues are continuing then the answer is pretty simple and he and the club need to move on.

I'll be disappointed, but i've stuck with the club through worse.

 

[05TIGZ]

I can't speak for all players but I know the story about one and most would argue he is our best

If you were the best employee for your employer you'd expect your employer not to make many of the steps throughout your career as hard as it could possibly be

I reckon I could fill half a page with stuff that Tedesco has had to battle with the club to get back that was fairly his

Compensation with surgeries ,studies , unfulfilled promises of cars They compensation for his 1st knee surgery took months to get back

Just remember these blokes at this stage are on league minimums usually as well

I don't blame our best players wanting to leave , surely this garbage that our club rolls out continuously off and on the paddock can't happen at the better clubs and then you get to make the semis as well and don't have to put up with this constant media barrage

This season we have been on the front and back page of the papers for every week of almost every month in the season and pre season

Don't blame the players for leaving , blame the club , the players have meet their side of the bargain , the club doesn't meet its side

Why would anyone want to stay , if you are staying it's because you know that no one else in the market place wants you

IE Brooks

Happy some of that doesn't make sense to me, maybe you can clarify or maybe i have read it wrong. You say the club took ages to compensate Teddy for his knee injury, does that mean that the player pays for the operation and rehab then invoices the club to get the money back? I just would never believe that. If that does happen then whoever is responsible should be shot.

Not the whole surgery , the excess and the whatever the excess from the gap is of course

But it shouldn't take months to do , should it

And then you have the last saga when the club wouldn't return calls

My point KS , people think it is this one single thing , it's not and I bet he will get treated far better by clubs that recognize that if you don't have the best players you don't win footy games , you don't make the semis and players aren't happy

And I know people are getting pissed at my negative attitude , but many fans don't know the whole story

Again I'm not angry the players are leaving , I'm angry at why and how the club is STILL doing nothing about it

We firstly blame coaches , then the players , lets start blaming the processes in place that continually get the same results year after year

We have the worst winning record of any club in the last 16 seasons and people don't have an issue or just straight out won't accept it

I hear what your saying mate, but i have to stay on this surgery point for a second. By saying he didn't get the excess back etc means Tedesco payed for the surgery yes? I dont believe that for a second.

And wh3n he hardly paid a game for 2 years, we took his pay cheque away didnt we. With the reported signings weve made, with the reported impact Cleary has already had, it just shows they were leaving anyway, just waiting for the rorters and dogs to make cap space for them and get TPA's organised.

 

[earl]

Thats the spirit.

Mate I don't care the players are leaving , I care why it is happening

Stick your head in the sand all you like , happy footballers don't leave happy clubs especially when they get offers that are above market value

They know that this club will never get it , no matter what changes it still stays the same

Do people realize when you take out the Sheens years our winning percentage is at 30.4% around 9% lower than the next club's lowest winning percentage since 2000

That's scary bad , real scary bad

I simply don't agree with this. Happy footballers don't leave clubs. I'm sorry mate but they leave all the time. Why aren't they happy as well. I mean being paid a tonne of money to play for the club you support can't be that bad. This is what I mean by you exaggerate things to crazy levels. These guys aren't getting abused or shafted or anything like that. They are just making decisions to earn more money.

This is basically a money grab. They've waited for the salary cap to be raised to cash in and it hasn't worked out.

I also want a better winning percentage but that is predominantly to do with the squad and coaching staff we've had. We can fix that if we don't pay overs for players that aren't worth the money and we get a decent coach. I think Clearly seems great. I think Woods going is great for the club. Losing Tedesco would be really bad but for the amount of money we are paying him it may work out as well. He isn't winning games by himself. Phil Gould wrote an article stating no player was worth a million dollars. I tend to agree with him.

I can't speak for all players but I know the story about one and most would argue he is our best

If you were the best employee for your employer you'd expect your employer not to make many of the steps throughout your career as hard as it could possibly be

I reckon I could fill half a page with stuff that Tedesco has had to battle with the club to get back that was fairly his

Compensation with surgeries ,studies , unfulfilled promises of cars They compensation for his 1st knee surgery took months to get back

Just remember these blokes at this stage are on league minimums usually as well

I don't blame our best players wanting to leave , surely this garbage that our club rolls out continuously off and on the paddock can't happen at the better clubs and then you get to make the semis as well and don't have to put up with this constant media barrage

This season we have been on the front and back page of the papers for every week of almost every month in the season and pre season

Don't blame the players for leaving , blame the club , the players have meet their side of the bargain , the club doesn't meet its side

Why would anyone want to stay , if you are staying it's because you know that no one else in the market place wants you

IE Brooks

Honestly I see this as all trivial stuff. I used to get my Internet at home paid for by my work and they took that away from me. These are first world trivial issues. Teddy is being offered heaps of money and he has been well looked after.

You can look at the hole in the donut or choose to look at the donut. It's your call.

I notice how you conveniently refuse to look at the fact that these players and their manager have just gone for the money grab in relation to the cap.

What about how other clubs screw players over. Look at the Roosters. They are the kings of it. They will shaft a player without a question in order to hopefully turn them into a gun club.

I think the club now from the outside looks extremely well managed. I like Cleary. I hope Tedesco stays. If you know the family tell them how we are all legends and we love Teddy. I'm sure the esteem of fans will ensure he stays.

These guys are honestly pampered and they have it so good. I've got it so good and I barely earn over $100k per year.

 

[earl]

Im not sure how anyone can argue with Smoking Gun on this. The analogy cant be argued. The players leaving have taken up big money and not delivered victories. So if we are not winning with them, how can they be a loss?

The key now is to actually get a better balanced team across the park, become competitive week in week out, then maybe look for a game changer to add down the track.

I think smoking gun probably has some inside information but it's never 100% finalised or clear. I totally agree with what he is stating though. The club to me is handling this extremely poor situation extremely well.

Dud coach - get rid of him. Overpaid & overhyped players - pay them what they are worth and if they leave so be it.

 

[happy_tiger]

I can't speak for all players but I know the story about one and most would argue he is our best

If you were the best employee for your employer you'd expect your employer not to make many of the steps throughout your career as hard as it could possibly be

I reckon I could fill half a page with stuff that Tedesco has had to battle with the club to get back that was fairly his

Compensation with surgeries ,studies , unfulfilled promises of cars They compensation for his 1st knee surgery took months to get back

Just remember these blokes at this stage are on league minimums usually as well

I don't blame our best players wanting to leave , surely this garbage that our club rolls out continuously off and on the paddock can't happen at the better clubs and then you get to make the semis as well and don't have to put up with this constant media barrage

This season we have been on the front and back page of the papers for every week of almost every month in the season and pre season

Don't blame the players for leaving , blame the club , the players have meet their side of the bargain , the club doesn't meet its side

Why would anyone want to stay , if you are staying it's because you know that no one else in the market place wants you

IE Brooks

Happy some of that doesn't make sense to me, maybe you can clarify or maybe i have read it wrong. You say the club took ages to compensate Teddy for his knee injury, does that mean that the player pays for the operation and rehab then invoices the club to get the money back? I just would never believe that. If that does happen then whoever is responsible should be shot.

If all that is true why did he stay last time?
If offering a guy a million or more a year to play footy isn't a sign of respect then I don't know what is.

I'm guessing happy has flipped his lid because he has confirmation teddy is gone. Same thing happened last time from memory.

I have a lot of time for Happy, his knowledge and humor are great. However, in this current negotiation I don't blame the club.

It can be this easy - here is the money, we think you're our future and this is the best we can do. Do you want to stay?

That is a yes or no question that Teddy or any of the others could have answered months ago.

Agree. If he is upset with things that happened 3 and 4 years ago there is nothing anyone can do about that.

If he still feels that the same issues are continuing then the answer is pretty simple and he and the club need to move on.

I'll be disappointed, but i've stuck with the club through worse.

I'd said it at least 5 times now , it's not the fact players are leaving , it's why players are leaving

Look at all our QUALITY recruits from outside the club , very few have stayed until the end of their careers

Don't you ask yourself why they don't …...