Kyle Lovett gone?
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fergiefurr
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The whole thing seems odd. I really don't believe we o my just realized we were going to be over the cap. Again Lovett seems an odd choice as I really can't see him getting picked up and JT seemed to love him. If things are that dire with the salary cap you would release anyone to get it right. Surely they would look at guys like Aloiai, MCk, Ava, Edwards etc. I would imagine any of them would get picked up by someone.
I wonder if there are other factors at play. For instance maybe Lovett had a clause in his contract where the second year was in the clubs favour and the whole legal process hadn't taken place as yet.
Again the whole thing seems very odd but the fact that the club hasn't come out and denied it makes me think it must be true. Sadly they don't keep us very well informed when it's true. Remember the club never, ever released a statement saying Hoeter left. He obviously wasn't high profile but was in all the training pics for the off season then suddenly wasn't. Fans should be informed about thing like that.
I wonder if there are other factors at play. For instance maybe Lovett had a clause in his contract where the second year was in the clubs favour and the whole legal process hadn't taken place as yet.
Again the whole thing seems very odd but the fact that the club hasn't come out and denied it makes me think it must be true. Sadly they don't keep us very well informed when it's true. Remember the club never, ever released a statement saying Hoeter left. He obviously wasn't high profile but was in all the training pics for the off season then suddenly wasn't. Fans should be informed about thing like that.
@fergiefurr said:
We are supporters and all WT seem to think we deserve are "fluff" pieces which are positive for the club.I am far to old and cynical to swallow much of what we are fed.
All i want is accountability and honesty something we have never been given.As always i look forward to the season and will support my team with passion and be critical when i feel it is required.I urge all our supporters to have an open mind but also be critical when needed.
goldcoast_tiger
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Wasn't he in the inner circle With the Taylors and Ms Go's,etc.?
If those reports earlier
were true, then maybe Taylor didn't want him to go, and he was over ruled. I think it was Tiger Torch who stated that Lovett was tight with them.
Who knows what goes on here.
I won't be sorry to see him go, but if they've left it to this close to the season , then that's pretty rough.
If those reports earlier
were true, then maybe Taylor didn't want him to go, and he was over ruled. I think it was Tiger Torch who stated that Lovett was tight with them.
Who knows what goes on here.
I won't be sorry to see him go, but if they've left it to this close to the season , then that's pretty rough.
Blaze
Well-known member
It may be just me, but I do recall the club saying that they weren't going to come out and say things about silly media statements unless it was absolutely necessary… could it be that it's just all crap and the club isn't giving it the light of day?
You know it's funny, sitting back watching the usual suspects go off on their little tangents whenever a media outlet feels necessary to sell more papers or get a "scoop" before any other channel... the end of the day ONE media outlet has concocted something on an obvious slow news day and the forum goes into attack mode on each other when, to put it simply, know one has a clue. Come on guys, for the first time in a long time we have ppl running the club that have half a clue... let's just see what happens huh?
Wether your a JT fan or not, everyone admits that he favoured Lovett, so we can atleast, IF TRUE, that it's not his doing and if it was to happen there is obviously something more to it than "the club not having a clue how to manage their roster"
Time for a chill pill and let facts arise instead of going off on a whim because channel seven thought they would get in on the Tigers bashing.
You know it's funny, sitting back watching the usual suspects go off on their little tangents whenever a media outlet feels necessary to sell more papers or get a "scoop" before any other channel... the end of the day ONE media outlet has concocted something on an obvious slow news day and the forum goes into attack mode on each other when, to put it simply, know one has a clue. Come on guys, for the first time in a long time we have ppl running the club that have half a clue... let's just see what happens huh?
Wether your a JT fan or not, everyone admits that he favoured Lovett, so we can atleast, IF TRUE, that it's not his doing and if it was to happen there is obviously something more to it than "the club not having a clue how to manage their roster"
Time for a chill pill and let facts arise instead of going off on a whim because channel seven thought they would get in on the Tigers bashing.
Tiger_Watto
New member
Agreed… There is probably some truth to the fact he is moving on and all parties are happy with the outcome. Then some 3rd party has leaked a 1-2 liner to his media buddies and they have sensationalised it to the point the tigers are looking at it and saying "whatever".
However, once again the tigers management are in the news. This scenario is no different at any other club. The moving on/goat trading of players happens 12 months of the year at EVERY club. Sadly, we appear to be the ones being used in the media and I find this frustrating.
The only thing Tiger Management need to be doing is finding solutions to ensure this media rubbish is stopped!
However, once again the tigers management are in the news. This scenario is no different at any other club. The moving on/goat trading of players happens 12 months of the year at EVERY club. Sadly, we appear to be the ones being used in the media and I find this frustrating.
The only thing Tiger Management need to be doing is finding solutions to ensure this media rubbish is stopped!
Blaze
Well-known member
True TW, the only problem is that we are like shooting fish in a barrel… it's too easy to throw in a Tigers turmoil story these days. Gets the supporters angry and divided purely because we seem to be the most gullible of all supporters... oh well, I guess it keeps the forum an interesting read lol..
If the club is being accused of being $200,000 over the cap in the media no matter how irritating it is - given our history and what we have been fed about this lot getting the salary cap in order to move forward - well then they need to knock it on the head.
Just like if the decision has been made to move on
Lovett they need to own it and be transparent.
While ever they are silent people will continue to
speculate. Penrith came out very quickly last week
and squashed the Ben Hunt rumours reported in the
media - which also would have been irritating for
them
Its part of running club and the longer they are silent
the more the story will be wound up.
Just like if the decision has been made to move on
Lovett they need to own it and be transparent.
While ever they are silent people will continue to
speculate. Penrith came out very quickly last week
and squashed the Ben Hunt rumours reported in the
media - which also would have been irritating for
them
Its part of running club and the longer they are silent
the more the story will be wound up.
Blaze
Well-known member
Why tho? Because you want answers? The club doesn't need to do squat if it's just "rumours ".
Time and time again they state that, out of respect for the players and their negotiatons of their contracts, that they will say nothing unless there is something to say. Don't get me wrong, there may be truth to all this, but the club is sticking to its hard line on this… which is what we want isn't it?
Time and time again they state that, out of respect for the players and their negotiatons of their contracts, that they will say nothing unless there is something to say. Don't get me wrong, there may be truth to all this, but the club is sticking to its hard line on this… which is what we want isn't it?
Once again I say…Lovett has a binding contract for 2017 with the Tigers, the club could shop him around to every club in the world but he is under no obligation to go anywhere. If they pay him out the money comes out of the cap. The only way the club can get cap relief is if Lovett agrees to a new deal at another club and if he agrees to go to another club you could hardly call the situations as "been forced out"
Okay the club might have told him he will not be getting a renewal in 2018 and will not play top grade, but the bottom line he will get paid for 2017 what ever happens.
Iam not defending the club, I like Lovett and I think he has a bit to offer and I certainly would like him to stay but I am afraid there are 15 other clubs doing the same thing to their players, just go on a few other club forums and you read the same stuff
EXACTLY!
Okay the club might have told him he will not be getting a renewal in 2018 and will not play top grade, but the bottom line he will get paid for 2017 what ever happens.
Iam not defending the club, I like Lovett and I think he has a bit to offer and I certainly would like him to stay but I am afraid there are 15 other clubs doing the same thing to their players, just go on a few other club forums and you read the same stuff
EXACTLY!
@Tiger Watto said:
The Club doesn't need to do anything especially when it comes to player negotiations just to placate fans..
If they did they would be releasing statements every second day like squashing Taumalolo to the Tigers in 2018 …and where is the fun in that...
@Pawsandclaws said:
Sounds eerily like another scenario where the club has tried to organise for a player to go elsewhere. Kept it behind closed doors so the player could negotiate in secret and then when things didn't go their way they went to the media. They have the same player manager too, hmmm…
It's no secret that Ayoub is a grub, his involvement in match fixing is testament to that.
FYI: I'm actually disappointed that the club is moving Lovett on, I thought he was a big improver last year and might just be a late blossom. If he is on the sort of money that is touted though, whomever offered that coin should be shot.
Fade_To_Black
New member
@TYGA said:
Lovett is no star but he is also no worse than a whole bunch of other backrowers running around in the NRL. Not everyone is a gamebreaker ala Jason Taumalolo.
andrew 474
New member
If he is still with the club he should be at Training one would think , so be very interesting to see some shots this week of the boys in action , or he is still with us pending a switch of clubs that all parties have agreed to , we are just fans and this club doesn't have to tell us anything until it's all done and dusted , I agree with some in here saying he was an improver last year but it's a buisness now and players come and go all the time , contracts are worth nothing , we have other players with his quality and ability and we also know we are still fixing up messy deals previously done .
2018 will be the year we can buy players as well as retain who we want , I think there will be a lot moved on at season end maybe 6 to 8 out of our top 25 from this year who knows , time to relax get ready for the 9s comp and then hit the season proper with a few wins first up .
2018 will be the year we can buy players as well as retain who we want , I think there will be a lot moved on at season end maybe 6 to 8 out of our top 25 from this year who knows , time to relax get ready for the 9s comp and then hit the season proper with a few wins first up .
@Fade To Black said:
For all his knockers,Lovett is a workhorse going about his job and trying to improve his game,people like him are what clubs need at times because they try 100%,if they aren't top players but do their best,then they should be acknowledged for their honesty and work ethic..we can't all be superstars,Thurston wasn't wanted at the dogs because they didn't think he was good enough for the NRL arena…....well he showed them how poor their judgement was,didn't he.....
@Blaze said:
I see that as a stick your head in the sand type of approach . It's come out now - so they need to address it. Lovett is a contracted player and is in our top 25 or so we thought.
They are paid and trusted to make decisions that are in the best interest of the club if they back themselves then they need to own it.
While ever they say nothing it appears that they are trying to do a mop up job. It's unrealistic to expect that everyone will support decisions - it may have been a very difficult one -so say that. And if none of it is true a bit silly to not have squashed it immediately
If you want people to invest in your product there has to be a level of transparency - it can't just be controlled PR with positive spin - we are all a bit more savvy than that.
Just my opinion - but I'm sure many will agree with you
The conclusions that people are jumping to and crucifying WT, the coach, Ms GO, Lovett himself and for that matter Sam Ayoub is over the top.
No one knows anything yet and anything other than an announcement from WT or Lovett is complete and utter speculation.
#jumpingatshadows
Cool your jets people. Stop looking for an excuse to bash people when there are no facts announced.
No one knows anything yet and anything other than an announcement from WT or Lovett is complete and utter speculation.
#jumpingatshadows
Cool your jets people. Stop looking for an excuse to bash people when there are no facts announced.
@Geo. said:
Sorry dont agree in this case. Our understanding is he is a contracted player for this season. You can't be pedalling memberships one minute which
are essential in creating a successful club, and then refusing to address a rumour about one of our top 25 -or so we thought. What happens if the player in question is my favourite player? Or does it only matter if it's someone like Teddy? Your squad is what essentially encourages memberships.
It's unfortunate that the club has not been in a position to control this the way that they would like, and if there is no truth to it, surely they would have squashed it immediately.
I feel this needs to be addressed - you can't be crying out for fan support one minute and then arrogantly treating them like they don't need to know the next.
When the club has a fan base the likes of the EPL well maybe then.
