Latrell Mitchell Contract Discussion

[Cultured_Bogan]

We may think he doesn't wanna play for us due to what hasn't happened.... There could be all sorts of reasons for a delay, we don't know and people saying they do know are clutching at straws... You may well. Be correct and feels. Justified... Hooray

"I sure told those random strangers on the Internets!"

 

[JD Tiger]

Some with links to a insider in the NRL has said that Latrell's manager has contacted us on terms that we sign him on 3 years for $3 million.

After he played us around, if they came back to us hat in hand I would have thought a second offer would be slightly less than the first. Maybe equal. Definitely not more.

That being said, I would still be happy to sign him at $1m a year, way better than Moylan, and if it fails and he wants out, then we will have $1m to try again elsewhere.

But Im not holding my breath, great if he signs, though now I doubt he will atm.

I think the first deal (if he was released to us in 2020) was:

$800k,
$900k,
$1 Mill,
$1.1 Mill

It's really not much more than we originally offered and you'd expect the manager would try and negotiate up from our first offer. If those figures are true, it's probably where the deal would have landed if they'd just negotiated properly in the first place.

If this is true, I'd take that deal and finish our recruitment for this year with the view to attracting talent to compliment him for 2021.

Fingers crossed this sideshow finishes up one way or another soon!

Yeah you're right with the money. And yeah even now I'd pay $1m totally.
But it feels as if we have more chance of pulling Robbie out of retirement.

I like Madge, but he's got his work cut out out for him, and his job demands results. We need to make finals this year or next, otherwise I think the coach may be cut (Yes again). But if we could have somehow snagged LM, then I think not only would that have increased the likelihood that we would make the finals but it excuse the coach an extra year, as what more could he have done.

JD, I don't necessarily agree. I think Madge is here for the long term (unless he doesn't want to be here). He has started building a culture from within, optimised junior pathways and signings, the board knows he has been hamstrung with Ivan's poor previous signings and our inability to move them on (shows how poor they were).

In saying that, I am pretty confident we will be competitive in 2020 (without making the finals) and a much stronger proposition in 2021.

I do think the the results will come, but until they do, Madge like some of our players in the past is living off potential. I understand it's not an overnight fix, and Madge is seemingly doing a lot of things right. But I thought the same about Ivan the Traitor, and Taylor before him, so I'm a bit more careful now.

If I was a betting person, I would bet that under Madge we will succeed. I am very pleased with the new Chair, that was a pleasant surprise. That's a good sign we're headed in the right direction.

 

[TigerWest]

Some with links to a insider in the NRL has said that Latrell's manager has contacted us on terms that we sign him on 3 years for $3 million.

After he played us around, if they came back to us hat in hand I would have thought a second offer would be slightly less than the first. Maybe equal. Definitely not more.

That being said, I would still be happy to sign him at $1m a year, way better than Moylan, and if it fails and he wants out, then we will have $1m to try again elsewhere.

But Im not holding my breath, great if he signs, though now I doubt he will atm.

I think the first deal (if he was released to us in 2020) was:

$800k,
$900k,
$1 Mill,
$1.1 Mill

It's really not much more than we originally offered and you'd expect the manager would try and negotiate up from our first offer. If those figures are true, it's probably where the deal would have landed if they'd just negotiated properly in the first place.

If this is true, I'd take that deal and finish our recruitment for this year with the view to attracting talent to compliment him for 2021.

Fingers crossed this sideshow finishes up one way or another soon!

Yeah you're right with the money. And yeah even now I'd pay $1m totally.
But it feels as if we have more chance of pulling Robbie out of retirement.

I like Madge, but he's got his work cut out out for him, and his job demands results. We need to make finals this year or next, otherwise I think the coach may be cut (Yes again). But if we could have somehow snagged LM, then I think not only would that have increased the likelihood that we would make the finals but it excuse the coach an extra year, as what more could he have done.

JD, I don't necessarily agree. I think Madge is here for the long term (unless he doesn't want to be here). He has started building a culture from within, optimised junior pathways and signings, the board knows he has been hamstrung with Ivan's poor previous signings and our inability to move them on (shows how poor they were).

In saying that, I am pretty confident we will be competitive in 2020 (without making the finals) and a much stronger proposition in 2021.

I do think the the results will come, but until they do, Madge like some of our players in the past is living off potential. I understand it's not an overnight fix, and Madge is seemingly doing a lot of things right. But I thought the same about Ivan the Traitor, and Taylor before him, so I'm a bit more careful now.

If I was a betting person, I would bet that under Madge we will succeed. I am very pleased with the new Chair, that was a pleasant surprise. That's a good sign we're headed in the right direction.

But you can only sign "potential" it is all a risk. But I agree, I think Madge is the real deal.

 

[old_man_tiger]

I don't want to be the grinch, but as this looks extremely unlikely to happen can't this fluff go into the signing rumors thread now ?

 

[Roar_Power]

I don't want to be the grinch, but as this looks extremely unlikely to happen can't this fluff go into the signing rumors thread now ?

Probably easier to just avoid the thread.

 

[mike]

I don't want to be the grinch, but as this looks extremely unlikely to happen can't this fluff go into the signing rumors thread now ?

Probably easier to just avoid the thread.

But it makes the off season more interesting ???????

 

[avocadoontoast]

I don't want to be the grinch, but as this looks extremely unlikely to happen can't this fluff go into the signing rumors thread now ?

I can see this thread getting to 300 pages easily.

 

[BZN]

So now we're saying the door is still open???

If we've pulled the offer the door should be closed, otherwise what does it actually mean to pull the offer?

This is just ridiculous now.

We've either closed the door or we haven't, if we haven't, then the offer hasn't been pulled.

Seems like he's called our bluff


Its not actually that hard to understand. The Tigers made an offer. If Latrell accepted that offer, they have a contract and pretty much both parties are bound to it. So for arguments sake Tigers could offer JAC $600K becuase if Latrell accepts his offer, Tigers are bound to it and would be buggered.

Tigers withdraw their offer, therefore Latrell cant accept it. Nothing stopping them talking in the future, but there is no offer and Tigers are free to pursue other options.

Whats ridiculous about any of that. Its professional, its business.

What's ridiculous is Latrell isn't interested in becoming a Tiger and he's playing us like fools and we're "leaving the door open" for him to wipe his feet on us again.
As I said, there's a lot of slow learners on this forum.


How is he playing us for fools? We have withdrawn our offer, he has not offer from us and without genuine interest in playing for us has nothing to do with us. We have literally nothing to do with Latrell Mitchell and he is playing us for fools?

Because we're leaving the door open for him to wipe his feet on us again.

We're trying to come across as if we're the ones who ended the relationship, but if he wants to come crawling back we'll take him back.

We're that sucker in a relationship who keeps taking the dead beat partner back even though they're only coming back because they have nowhere else to go.
Kick him out but make sure he's still got a key to the backdoor

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[trentrunciman]

So now we're saying the door is still open???

If we've pulled the offer the door should be closed, otherwise what does it actually mean to pull the offer?

This is just ridiculous now.

We've either closed the door or we haven't, if we haven't, then the offer hasn't been pulled.

Seems like he's called our bluff


Its not actually that hard to understand. The Tigers made an offer. If Latrell accepted that offer, they have a contract and pretty much both parties are bound to it. So for arguments sake Tigers could offer JAC $600K becuase if Latrell accepts his offer, Tigers are bound to it and would be buggered.

Tigers withdraw their offer, therefore Latrell cant accept it. Nothing stopping them talking in the future, but there is no offer and Tigers are free to pursue other options.

Whats ridiculous about any of that. Its professional, its business.

What's ridiculous is Latrell isn't interested in becoming a Tiger and he's playing us like fools and we're "leaving the door open" for him to wipe his feet on us again.
As I said, there's a lot of slow learners on this forum.


How is he playing us for fools? We have withdrawn our offer, he has not offer from us and without genuine interest in playing for us has nothing to do with us. We have literally nothing to do with Latrell Mitchell and he is playing us for fools?

Because we're leaving the door open for him to wipe his feet on us again.

We're trying to come across as if we're the ones who ended the relationship, but if he wants to come crawling back we'll take him back.

We're that sucker in a relationship who keeps taking the dead beat partner back even though they're only coming back because they have nowhere else to go.
Kick him out but make sure he's still got a key to the backdoor

good on ya magpie!

 

[Zach]

If you were LM, why wouldnt you just call a press conference and just come out and say/squash all these rumours dead, something along the lines of

"i will decide on my future soon, i appreciate all the clubs who have shown interest and have contacted me, and i will discuss with my manager and talk to the clubs to decide shortly" etc etc etc....

seriously, not only do you then come across as having control over the situation, you dont look like a prick to the clubs/press/fans/NRL....poor guy is getting roasted everywhere and he literally has done nothing to warrant it.

too much common sense?

 

[coivtny]

If you were LM, why wouldnt you just call a press conference and just come out and say/squash all these rumours dead, something along the lines of

"i will decide on my future soon, i appreciate all the clubs who have shown interest and have contacted me, and i will discuss with my manager and talk to the clubs to decide shortly" etc etc etc....

seriously, not only do you then come across as having control over the situation, you dont look like a prick to the clubs/press/fans/NRL....poor guy is getting roasted everywhere and he literally has done nothing to warrant it.

too much common sense?

Way too much common sense. You're on the wrong forum mate. While I think you're 100% correct I suspect it's not happening because of hubris. To me Rushton and Mitche come across as pretty arrogant people and would be of the view they are under no obligation to tell anyone anything. They're correct of course but their silence doesn't do them any PR favours.

 

[weststigers]

Some with links to a insider in the NRL has said that Latrell's manager has contacted us on terms that we sign him on 3 years for $3 million.

After he played us around, if they came back to us hat in hand I would have thought a second offer would be slightly less than the first. Maybe equal. Definitely not more.

That being said, I would still be happy to sign him at $1m a year, way better than Moylan, and if it fails and he wants out, then we will have $1m to try again elsewhere.

But Im not holding my breath, great if he signs, though now I doubt he will atm.

I think the first deal (if he was released to us in 2020) was:

$800k,
$900k,
$1 Mill,
$1.1 Mill

It's really not much more than we originally offered and you'd expect the manager would try and negotiate up from our first offer. If those figures are true, it's probably where the deal would have landed if they'd just negotiated properly in the first place.

If this is true, I'd take that deal and finish our recruitment for this year with the view to attracting talent to compliment him for 2021.

Fingers crossed this sideshow finishes up one way or another soon!

Yeah you're right with the money. And yeah even now I'd pay $1m totally.
But it feels as if we have more chance of pulling Robbie out of retirement.

I like Madge, but he's got his work cut out out for him, and his job demands results. We need to make finals this year or next, otherwise I think the coach may be cut (Yes again). But if we could have somehow snagged LM, then I think not only would that have increased the likelihood that we would make the finals but it excuse the coach an extra year, as what more could he have done.

Yeah I like Madge too...He hasn't had it easy trying to pull a competitive roster together has he?

Matulino, Packer, Reynolds and Mbye all underperforming on top of a salary cap fine...we did ok last year all things considered.

If we could just get a bit of luck go our way with recruitment, I'm confident he'll assemble a team that's tough to beat.

He's making the right moves in junior recruitment which is a positive so far!

 

[TillLindemann]

There is zero chance of him going to Toronto. SBW already has their salary cap exempt marquee slot. And the SL salary cap is about half the NRL's. And they've already signed and re-signed a bunch of players in addition to SBW.


I agree that I think there is zero chance of him going to Toronto, but there are 2 marquee slots for each club.

Sorry, I think you corrected me previously on this and I forgot

 

[Tiger5150]

There is zero chance of him going to Toronto. SBW already has their salary cap exempt marquee slot. And the SL salary cap is about half the NRL's. And they've already signed and re-signed a bunch of players in addition to SBW.


I agree that I think there is zero chance of him going to Toronto, but there are 2 marquee slots for each club.

Sorry, I think you corrected me previously on this and I forgot

Dont make me correct you a third time!!!!!

Kidding, who gives a rats? There is some other exemption if you pinch a player from another code which would not apply to Latrell obviously.

Can you imagine how badly Latrell would tear up SL?

 

[Mac]

With apologies to Banjo Paterson.

**The Man From Manning River**

There was movement at the Tigers for the word had passed around
That their roster moves had freed up lots of cash,
There were players in the market – and some good ones could be found,
If they found the best they’d sign them in a flash.

All the noted players’ managers from clubs both near and far
Assessed the list of clients on their books,
For the “ten-percenters” love it when the cash box lid’s ajar,
Even players within contract get the sooks.

There was Moses who had made his pile when Jimmy joined the Cocks,
His stable full to brimming with the stars,
Although young, with hair receding, he had hookers, halves and locks
On million-dollar deals plus teeth and cars.

And one was there, a newby with a small but growing list,
He was something like a boy amongst the giants,
But he had an ace card up his sleeve – that no one would resist –
A kid called Mitchell on his book of clients.

This kid was tough and speedy – with an attitude as well –
At twenty-two he’d almost done it all
And he wore the badge of “winner” and the rest could go to hell,
So he looked up Uncle Nick and made the call.

But still so young and needy, one would doubt he’d leave the club,
And the old man said, “That course will never do,
There’s a contract on the table – lad you’ll end up in the scrub,
If you knock back now the red and white and blue.”

So he waited sad and listful – only Rushton stood his friend –
“I think you ought to let him go,” he said,
“To look at all his options – see what other clubs can spend,
We see him at the back in place of Ted.”

“He hails from up the Manning – all his folks are from Taree
Where shooting pigs and fishing is the go;
Where boars the size of horses roam the paddocks wild and free,
With bream the size of sharks in Manning’s flow”.

So they went to test the waters in the marketplace at large
And Mitchell headed home and went on leave.
Rushton put the rumours out how much he’d have to charge;
Smiling smugly at the comm’s that he’d receive.

The Tigers made first contact with their pockets full of dough,
And promised him the spot he wanted most,
And the money that they offered – someone told me “in the know” –
Would pay the whole backline up at Gold Coast.
 

But Rushton played his cards close and the rumour mill began,
He was learning fast this game of show and tell;
He was aiming at the stars to get the millions for his man,
But from there things didn’t seem to go as well.

The Tigers needed answers and they needed answers now,
But Rushton just sat back and called for offers,
So the Tigers pulled their contract – but they said that they’d allow –
Some future talks depending on their coffers.

The moral to this story is not quite yet set in stone,
The pantomime continues playing out;
Fans’ forums are in meltdown – but there’s one thing that is known –
In the marketplace the Tigers have some clout.

And the cliché’s on the forums will get trotted out for now,
The consensus is we’d really like to add him;
Some on here are positive but some will still avow,
“Here’s another one! Goddamn we thought we had him!”

 

[happy_tiger]

There is zero chance of him going to Toronto. SBW already has their salary cap exempt marquee slot. And the SL salary cap is about half the NRL's. And they've already signed and re-signed a bunch of players in addition to SBW.


I agree that I think there is zero chance of him going to Toronto, but there are 2 marquee slots for each club.

Sorry, I think you corrected me previously on this and I forgot


Dont make me correct you a third time!!!!!

Kidding, who gives a rats? There is some other exemption if you pinch a player from another code which would not apply to Latrell obviously.

Can you imagine how badly Latrell would tear up SL?

I'm probably assuming Glenn , but if you don't have teenage kids I'm not here

 

[Tiger5150]

There is zero chance of him going to Toronto. SBW already has their salary cap exempt marquee slot. And the SL salary cap is about half the NRL's. And they've already signed and re-signed a bunch of players in addition to SBW.


I agree that I think there is zero chance of him going to Toronto, but there are 2 marquee slots for each club.

Sorry, I think you corrected me previously on this and I forgot


Dont make me correct you a third time!!!!!

Kidding, who gives a rats? There is some other exemption if you pinch a player from another code which would not apply to Latrell obviously.

Can you imagine how badly Latrell would tear up SL?

I'm probably assuming Glenn , but if you don't have teenage kids I'm not here

well spotted Happy.

 

[coivtny]

With apologies to Banjo Paterson.

**The Man From Manning River**

There was movement at the Tigers for the word had passed around
That their roster moves had freed up lots of cash,
There were players in the market – and some good ones could be found,
If they found the best they’d sign them in a flash.

All the noted players’ managers from clubs both near and far
Assessed the list of clients on their books,
For the “ten-percenters” love it when the cash box lid’s ajar,
Even players within contract get the sooks.

There was Moses who had made his pile when Jimmy joined the Cocks,
His stable full to brimming with the stars,
Although young, with hair receding, he had hookers, halves and locks
On million-dollar deals plus teeth and cars.

And one was there, a newby with a small but growing list,
He was something like a boy amongst the giants,
But he had an ace card up his sleeve – that no one would resist –
A kid called Mitchell on his book of clients.

This kid was tough and speedy – with an attitude as well –
At twenty-two he’d almost done it all
And he wore the badge of “winner” and the rest could go to hell,
So he looked up Uncle Nick and made the call.

But still so young and needy, one would doubt he’d leave the club,
And the old man said, “That course will never do,
There’s a contract on the table – lad you’ll end up in the scrub,
If you knock back now the red and white and blue.”

So he waited sad and listful – only Rushton stood his friend –
“I think you ought to let him go,” he said,
“To look at all his options – see what other clubs can spend,
We see him at the back in place of Ted.”

“He hails from up the Manning – all his folks are from Taree
Where shooting pigs and fishing is the go;
Where boars the size of horses roam the paddocks wild and free,
With bream the size of sharks in Manning’s flow”.

So they went to test the waters in the marketplace at large
And Mitchell headed home and went on leave.
Rushton put the rumours out how much he’d have to charge;
Smiling smugly at the comm’s that he’d receive.

The Tigers made first contact with their pockets full of dough,
And promised him the spot he wanted most,
And the money that they offered – someone told me “in the know” –
Would pay the whole backline up at Gold Coast.
 

But Rushton played his cards close and the rumour mill began,
He was learning fast this game of show and tell;
He was aiming at the stars to get the millions for his man,
But from there things didn’t seem to go as well.

The Tigers needed answers and they needed answers now,
But Rushton just sat back and called for offers,
So the Tigers pulled their contract – but they said that they’d allow –
Some future talks depending on their coffers.

The moral to this story is not quite yet set in stone,
The pantomime continues playing out;
Fans’ forums are in meltdown – but there’s one thing that is known –
In the marketplace the Tigers have some clout.

And the cliché’s on the forums will get trotted out for now,
The consensus is we’d really like to add him;
Some on here are positive but some will still avow,
“Here’s another one! Goddamn we thought we had him!”

Don't apologise to Banjo, he'd be proud of your adaptation. Brilliant job.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

So now we're saying the door is still open???

If we've pulled the offer the door should be closed, otherwise what does it actually mean to pull the offer?

This is just ridiculous now.

We've either closed the door or we haven't, if we haven't, then the offer hasn't been pulled.

Seems like he's called our bluff


Its not actually that hard to understand. The Tigers made an offer. If Latrell accepted that offer, they have a contract and pretty much both parties are bound to it. So for arguments sake Tigers could offer JAC $600K becuase if Latrell accepts his offer, Tigers are bound to it and would be buggered.

Tigers withdraw their offer, therefore Latrell cant accept it. Nothing stopping them talking in the future, but there is no offer and Tigers are free to pursue other options.

Whats ridiculous about any of that. Its professional, its business.

What's ridiculous is Latrell isn't interested in becoming a Tiger and he's playing us like fools and we're "leaving the door open" for him to wipe his feet on us again.
As I said, there's a lot of slow learners on this forum.


How is he playing us for fools? We have withdrawn our offer, he has not offer from us and without genuine interest in playing for us has nothing to do with us. We have literally nothing to do with Latrell Mitchell and he is playing us for fools?

Because we're leaving the door open for him to wipe his feet on us again.

We're trying to come across as if we're the ones who ended the relationship, but if he wants to come crawling back we'll take him back.

We're that sucker in a relationship who keeps taking the dead beat partner back even though they're only coming back because they have nowhere else to go.
Kick him out but make sure he's still got a key to the backdoor

That take is ludicrous ? .Theres only one question to really take into account . Can this guy deliver us a premiership ? If the answers no , because he doesn’t give a crap anymore sure , tell him no . But if the answers yes , but our pride is in the way , and our feelings are hurt , then ... get comfortable with mediocrity. Because that’s where we will live . It’s a business . Our intangibles suck at the moment . Are we fixing that . Yep ! But they still suck today . We have to sell him in the future , because it seems like he and lot of people ( including our fans ) are stuck on past west’s tigers

 

[old_man_tiger]

I don't want to be the grinch, but as this looks extremely unlikely to happen can't this fluff go into the signing rumors thread now ?

Probably easier to just avoid the thread.

I don't mind the discussion but it no longer seems concrete.

Just an opinion