Latrell Mitchell Contract Discussion

[tiger05premier]

I disagree. If Mitchell is too young, and too dumb to see the value of our offer he simply does not have the maturity required for the player we need.
We do not need a primadonna, along for the ride and for the pay packet. We need a talented, skilled leader assisting us to win games.
Personally I no longer think Mitchell is what we are after. If he takes the lead and directs his 'current' manager to call us I may change my opinion, but at the moment, he looks like a follower not a leader.


So your position mirrors what we understand is the clubs . An emotional immature response to a problematic issue?

I think the club is handling the 'problematic' issue well. The clubs, and my, response is anything but 'emotional' or 'immature'. I think the club has identified that it needs a committed, skilled leader and is prepared to pay very well to obtain one.
If a player is made an offer like the one we have tabled and that offer is rejected, move on. Mitchell would know our position re who we want as a player and the dollar value of our offer. The ball is in his court. Professionally handled in my view.
Alternatively, we could take an immature and emotional, man crush, we need a marquee player at all costs, approach and go begging I suppose. But I'm glad we haven't.

Absolutely spot on

If his heart lies elsewhere so be it

Nothing we can do about it

Madge and Pascoe will turn this club around

I know we are all sick of waiting including me but with a fair chunk of our best young player's re signing with the club and so many youngsters coming in Madge must have a better reputation than is reported in the media

He is obviously though just a bit too hard to handle for the ones with precious hearts and if you look at the last 2 main ones that have played here or been linked to us Matto and LM it's the roosters that have happily let them go

Yes those 2 are great footballers but not quite mentally tough enough for the roosters profesionalism or Madges training

 

[Don Kershane]

I find it hard to believe folks are still buying into it.....

Mr Pascoe believes it’s a false story that Souths are leaking to make the cap situation plausible

I have Direct correspondence to confirm this. Before you again say I’m lying

huh...?

More like misdirected , indirect correspondence delivered by stool pigeon.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

**So Roosters waive 200k in fees if LM signs with us
That's 500k-600k he'd lose in 2020 by signing with Souths
Still reckon we can get him, hopefully Madge and Pascoe are taking advantage of the situation**
The next 7 days should be pretty interesting
We just really need that 1 marquee signing to get the ball rolling. If we can sign LM you'd think that would all but guarantee JAC as well who will be granted a release at the end of 2020 at the latest
Plus COE next year with a tonne of cap money to spend

With all that advantage to us it would be pretty poor result if he didn't sign, but he seems to be doing everything but sign with us.

We have said we are not calling him again...

Modern players won't do the begging.....we should be on the phone and proactive.

Imagine if the Clippers sat there and said 'Kawhi can call us if he wants to chat'?

All these agents follow the American model. I don't necessarily subscribe to it, but it is reality.

Pick up the phone, be aggressive...sell the Tigers message...sell us as a place a player would want to come...

Don't just say 'well, they can call us if they want'.

No .... we still have pride ....we should not crawl to anyone .... particularly this group of termites.

 

[wokesmoke]

I find it hard to believe folks are still buying into it.....

Mr Pascoe believes it’s a false story that Souths are leaking to make the cap situation plausible

I have Direct correspondence to confirm this. Before you again say I’m lying

huh...?

More like misdirected , indirect correspondence delivered by stool pigeon.

Direct. As in from the man himself. I am happy to private message moderators the screen shots Then they can decide on the validity of them if needed.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

I disagree. If Mitchell is too young, and too dumb to see the value of our offer he simply does not have the maturity required for the player we need.
We do not need a primadonna, along for the ride and for the pay packet. We need a talented, skilled leader assisting us to win games.
Personally I no longer think Mitchell is what we are after. If he takes the lead and directs his 'current' manager to call us I may change my opinion, but at the moment, he looks like a follower not a leader.


So your position mirrors what we understand is the clubs . An emotional immature response to a problematic issue?

For you only baby .... I find it only response we should have.
Talk about wanting something that doesn’t want you.

 

[earl]

So, you’re saying his head isn’t in it? That was clear to see 2 months ago. Some had trouble moving past pinning it on our club though with “he doesn’t want to come here”.

It's a difficult situation. I understand the idea that we should be selling the spot to him but if they don't turn up to meetings and won't meet with the coach what are you going to do. It sounds like he has only met with Souths.

Maybe the club has done all it can do. It's a bizarre situation. I'm sure the club went hard after him but he has been stand offish the whole time. I don't believe the POM one little bit in relation to the comment that his managers were the problem. He has new managers now and he still isn't talking to us.

 

[earl]

I disagree. If Mitchell is too young, and too dumb to see the value of our offer he simply does not have the maturity required for the player we need.
We do not need a primadonna, along for the ride and for the pay packet. We need a talented, skilled leader assisting us to win games.
Personally I no longer think Mitchell is what we are after. If he takes the lead and directs his 'current' manager to call us I may change my opinion, but at the moment, he looks like a follower not a leader.

You don't pay a million dollars for a guy who isn't committed. When guys on here are talking about American sports these guys are interviewed and have to prove themselves to get the top dollar contracts. It's not a one sided negotiation. You expect ability plus a good attitude.

Maybe he isn't worth the top dollars that we are offering for a top quality player.

 

[Don Kershane]

I find it hard to believe folks are still buying into it.....

Mr Pascoe believes it’s a false story that Souths are leaking to make the cap situation plausible

I have Direct correspondence to confirm this. Before you again say I’m lying

huh...?

More like misdirected , indirect correspondence delivered by stool pigeon.


Direct. As in from the man himself. I am happy to private message moderators the screen shots Then they can decide on the validity of them if needed.

A personal endorsement on the Wests Tigers website will suffice. I will not be sucked in by your subterfuge..

 

[stevied]

I've read all the comments in the last few pages with interest. One thing is for sure. There are two trains of thought on here; 1. Get on the front foot (again) and try to woo Latrell with our big bucks and assurances on the Tigers' potential or 2. Sit still and wait for him and his manager to see sense and talk to us.

I think we we should wait because if we do and he initiates the chat, it means he's interested and we're a chance. If we grovel, it only shows that we are desperate and that we don't believe in our own strength and principles. The offer put on the table by the Tigers was generous and fair. Yes, Latrell is an elite talent but whether or not he cuts it as a fullback after a three year hiatus, on a fullback's wage and when he is clearly unfit is open to conjecture....

Another thing I'd add is that, nearly all of the information flying around from start to finish has been rumour and innuendo, very little hard fact. Right now, we could be silent or we could be at the negotiating table. Maybe Latrell is a selfish primadonna or maybe he could be a naive, nice guy who is being led down the garden path by power-hungry, unscrupulous managers. We just don't know.

I would like to see us get Mitchell for all the reasons put forward by others. Souths are still favourites but I also think we are in with a small chance.

 

[Aesopian]

**So Roosters waive 200k in fees if LM signs with us
That's 500k-600k he'd lose in 2020 by signing with Souths
Still reckon we can get him, hopefully Madge and Pascoe are taking advantage of the situation**
The next 7 days should be pretty interesting
We just really need that 1 marquee signing to get the ball rolling. If we can sign LM you'd think that would all but guarantee JAC as well who will be granted a release at the end of 2020 at the latest
Plus COE next year with a tonne of cap money to spend

With all that advantage to us it would be pretty poor result if he didn't sign, but he seems to be doing everything but sign with us.

We have said we are not calling him again...

Modern players won't do the begging.....we should be on the phone and proactive.

Imagine if the Clippers sat there and said 'Kawhi can call us if he wants to chat'?

All these agents follow the American model. I don't necessarily subscribe to it, but it is reality.

Pick up the phone, be aggressive...sell the Tigers message...sell us as a place a player would want to come...

Don't just say 'well, they can call us if they want'.

LM knows we're interested and he knows what we're willing to pay.
Tigers need to be careful of how a too desperate approach could harm them in future player negotiations. If players and their agents look at tigers management and think 'if we keep on rejecting their offers they'll just come back with a better one', then good luck getting fair value in the future. We'll forever be used as a bargaining tool for players wanting to play hard ball and pump their value to sign elsewhere..
Gotta draw a line in the sand somewhere and I think the club has done everything they need to in regards to the situation

 

[wokesmoke]

**So Roosters waive 200k in fees if LM signs with us
That's 500k-600k he'd lose in 2020 by signing with Souths
Still reckon we can get him, hopefully Madge and Pascoe are taking advantage of the situation**
The next 7 days should be pretty interesting
We just really need that 1 marquee signing to get the ball rolling. If we can sign LM you'd think that would all but guarantee JAC as well who will be granted a release at the end of 2020 at the latest
Plus COE next year with a tonne of cap money to spend

With all that advantage to us it would be pretty poor result if he didn't sign, but he seems to be doing everything but sign with us.

We have said we are not calling him again...

Modern players won't do the begging.....we should be on the phone and proactive.

Imagine if the Clippers sat there and said 'Kawhi can call us if he wants to chat'?

All these agents follow the American model. I don't necessarily subscribe to it, but it is reality.

Pick up the phone, be aggressive...sell the Tigers message...sell us as a place a player would want to come...

Don't just say 'well, they can call us if they want'.

LM knows we're interested and he knows what we're willing to pay.
Tigers need to be careful of how a too desperate approach could harm them in future player negotiations. If players and their agents look at tigers management and think 'if we keep on rejecting their offers they'll just come back with a better one', then good luck getting fair value in the future. We'll forever be used as a bargaining tool for players wanting to play hard ball and pump their value to sign elsewhere..
Gotta draw a line in the sand somewhere and I think the club has done everything they need to in regards to the situation

While tigers have 2-3 spots and 1.7 mil in cap space the offer will be there. It’s when they fill those spots that the offer goes away

 

[earl]

**So Roosters waive 200k in fees if LM signs with us
That's 500k-600k he'd lose in 2020 by signing with Souths
Still reckon we can get him, hopefully Madge and Pascoe are taking advantage of the situation**
The next 7 days should be pretty interesting
We just really need that 1 marquee signing to get the ball rolling. If we can sign LM you'd think that would all but guarantee JAC as well who will be granted a release at the end of 2020 at the latest
Plus COE next year with a tonne of cap money to spend

With all that advantage to us it would be pretty poor result if he didn't sign, but he seems to be doing everything but sign with us.

We have said we are not calling him again...

Modern players won't do the begging.....we should be on the phone and proactive.

Imagine if the Clippers sat there and said 'Kawhi can call us if he wants to chat'?

All these agents follow the American model. I don't necessarily subscribe to it, but it is reality.

Pick up the phone, be aggressive...sell the Tigers message...sell us as a place a player would want to come...

Don't just say 'well, they can call us if they want'.

LM knows we're interested and he knows what we're willing to pay.
Tigers need to be careful of how a too desperate approach could harm them in future player negotiations. If players and their agents look at tigers management and think 'if we keep on rejecting their offers they'll just come back with a better one', then good luck getting fair value in the future. We'll forever be used as a bargaining tool for players wanting to play hard ball and pump their value to sign elsewhere..
Gotta draw a line in the sand somewhere and I think the club has done everything they need to in regards to the situation

While tigers have 2-3 spots and 1.7 mil in cap space the offer will be there. It’s when they fill those spots that the offer goes away

They might not be prepared to pay the same amount now though. The contract seems more risky now.

 

[twentyforty]

I disagree. If Mitchell is too young, and too dumb to see the value of our offer he simply does not have the maturity required for the player we need.
We do not need a primadonna, along for the ride and for the pay packet. We need a talented, skilled leader assisting us to win games.
Personally I no longer think Mitchell is what we are after. If he takes the lead and directs his 'current' manager to call us I may change my opinion, but at the moment, he looks like a follower not a leader.


So your position mirrors what we understand is the clubs . An emotional immature response to a problematic issue?

For you only baby .... I find it only response we should have.
Talk about wanting something that doesn’t want you.

More emotion. And that’s ok from fans but not when negotiating contracts.

 

[Newtown]

Anyone else think that LM seems like that hot girl who is nothing but a flirt? Goes on dates, loves the attention, seems really interested but can never quite commit. You think it’s all good on the date, he is making the right noises etc but your after the date, your calls never get returned. You then find out that about ten other guys are in the same boat. You then realise that you have been wasting your time because it’s only ever been about their ego and them feeling powerful because they have so many people running after them.

Wouldn’t be surprised if there is another potential suitor who magically appears

Maybe from Super League.

 

[finnzo]

To far from taree

 

[twentyforty]

**So Roosters waive 200k in fees if LM signs with us
That's 500k-600k he'd lose in 2020 by signing with Souths
Still reckon we can get him, hopefully Madge and Pascoe are taking advantage of the situation**
The next 7 days should be pretty interesting
We just really need that 1 marquee signing to get the ball rolling. If we can sign LM you'd think that would all but guarantee JAC as well who will be granted a release at the end of 2020 at the latest
Plus COE next year with a tonne of cap money to spend

With all that advantage to us it would be pretty poor result if he didn't sign, but he seems to be doing everything but sign with us.

We have said we are not calling him again...

Modern players won't do the begging.....we should be on the phone and proactive.

Imagine if the Clippers sat there and said 'Kawhi can call us if he wants to chat'?

All these agents follow the American model. I don't necessarily subscribe to it, but it is reality.

Pick up the phone, be aggressive...sell the Tigers message...sell us as a place a player would want to come...

Don't just say 'well, they can call us if they want'.

LM knows we're interested and he knows what we're willing to pay.
Tigers need to be careful of how a too desperate approach could harm them in future player negotiations. If players and their agents look at tigers management and think 'if we keep on rejecting their offers they'll just come back with a better one', then good luck getting fair value in the future. We'll forever be used as a bargaining tool for players wanting to play hard ball and pump their value to sign elsewhere..
Gotta draw a line in the sand somewhere and I think the club has done everything they need to in regards to the situation

While tigers have 2-3 spots and 1.7 mil in cap space the offer will be there. It’s when they fill those spots that the offer goes away

Wouldn’t it be more advantageous to ask the player how much time he needs to make a decision, then put a realistic use by date on the letter of intention? This nonsense about putting out an offer then cancelling because of changed circumstances then repeating that process a couple more times is not a good look.

 

[tiger_one]

@twentyforty said in [Latrell Mitchell Contract Discussion](/post/1099938):

"Wouldn’t it be more advantageous to ask the player how much time he needs to make a decision, then put a realistic use by date on the letter of intention? This nonsense about putting out an offer then cancelling because of changed circumstances then repeating that process a couple more times is not a good look."

I thought Wests Tigers only made one offer, then later withdrew it.

 

[old_man_tiger]

I find it hard to believe folks are still buying into it.....

Mr Pascoe believes it’s a false story that Souths are leaking to make the cap situation plausible

I have Direct correspondence to confirm this. Before you again say I’m lying

So he's still going to souths?

Mr Pascoe is of the belief he will take Souths offer over tigers. If the tigers weren’t sitting on their hands in regards to JAC that situation could perhaps sway LM. It’s all very weird.


Please elaborate?
So we’re not going hard for JAC and still waiting on LM to come to us?
WTF are we doing?

Anything this guy says is just to make it look like his predictions under a different name were ruined by unforeseeable circumstances and he really was right in some roundabout way.

I doubt the club are doing nothing in regards to recruitment, but hopefully they don't share real information with people who are willing to screenshot and share an SMS from the CEO.

 

[twentyforty]

"Wouldn’t it be more advantageous to ask the player how much time he needs to make a decision, then put a realistic use by date on the letter of intention? This nonsense about putting out an offer then cancelling because of changed circumstances then repeating that process a couple more times is not a good look."

I thought Wests Tigers only made one offer, then later withdrew it.

On 28th November Sun Herald quoted..
“We have a responsibility to our club first and foremost and to our fans," Tigers chief executive Justin Pascoe said.
“Having an offer like that sit on the table, those funds are committed until the offer is taken up or withdrawn. After a period of time, we have to make a decision in the best interests of the club, which we did today.“
Are you saying there was never another offer made to Mitchell in all of the following 6 weeks?
Just media bs?
Possible?
Where does your info come from?

 

[nrlsurvivor]

Can someone please paste the Australian article?

The Australian article was just the same article (word for word) from the Daily Telegraph.