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@milky said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365049) said:
@truetiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365048) said:
Im going to stick my neck out here and have a say why we had a great result against the Knights on magic weekend...and as usual I will cop the criticism if Im wrong....

Firstly the reason we played better is because our golden haired boy was moved from 5/8 to centre where he has had experience before,Im talking about AD..he is relatively new to the 5/8 position at NRL level and Madge has seen that and made a change...Mbye who everybody wants to get rid of finally got to play his favoured position in the halves,a great ball distributor,defender and understands that the backs NEED ball...

Secondly,AD played a very classy game and ran the ball well and scored points,because he was fed by Mbye and given space...he learnt something about playing 5/8 at NRL level...

Lastly for all the people who bagged me when I said to leave things to the coach who spends numerous hours with these players and talks openly with them,that they would have spoken about the positional changes at training to better the team...I will accept apologies,because Madge is the coach and knows far more than us...he is starting to get results albeit the hard way,but it will happen...

Are you serious? We beat the Knights B-grade side and with respect to the Knights, their A-grade side is bottom 8 quality at best.

The decision to move Doueihi to centre is a short term decision to gain immediate results to save face for Madge. He is our future in the halves and Madge moving him is not in our long term interests.

Milky,dont denegrate me because you think you can from a keyboard...I gave an honest opinion of why the changes were made,,AD will be in the halves long term,but he needs to learn that position at NRL level,Mbye showed him how to do it and Madge deserves the credit for making changes that affect this team positively...
I have played the game and have seen many changes to it over the years,you are young and learning,but dont try and bellittle someone who is older and respects each and everyones opinion on here albeit I have had arguements with members and have resolved differing opinions in a courteous a well mannered way...I have forgotten more than some on here profess to know....
 
@truetiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365048) said:
Im going to stick my neck out here and have a say why we had a great result against the Knights on magic weekend...and as usual I will cop the criticism if Im wrong....

Firstly the reason we played better is because our golden haired boy was moved from 5/8 to centre where he has had experience before,Im talking about AD..he is relatively new to the 5/8 position at NRL level and Madge has seen that and made a change...Mbye who everybody wants to get rid of finally got to play his favoured position in the halves,a great ball distributor,defender and understands that the backs NEED ball...

Secondly,AD played a very classy game and ran the ball well and scored points,because he was fed by Mbye and given space...he learnt something about playing 5/8 at NRL level...

Lastly for all the people who bagged me when I said to leave things to the coach who spends numerous hours with these players and talks openly with them,that they would have spoken about the positional changes at training to better the team...I will accept apologies,because Madge is the coach and knows far more than us...he is starting to get results albeit the hard way,but it will happen...

u asked 4 that neck chop,got it lol
 
@merlot said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365056) said:
@truetiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365048) said:
Im going to stick my neck out here and have a say why we had a great result against the Knights on magic weekend...and as usual I will cop the criticism if Im wrong....

Firstly the reason we played better is because our golden haired boy was moved from 5/8 to centre where he has had experience before,Im talking about AD..he is relatively new to the 5/8 position at NRL level and Madge has seen that and made a change...Mbye who everybody wants to get rid of finally got to play his favoured position in the halves,a great ball distributor,defender and understands that the backs NEED ball...

Secondly,AD played a very classy game and ran the ball well and scored points,because he was fed by Mbye and given space...he learnt something about playing 5/8 at NRL level...

Lastly for all the people who bagged me when I said to leave things to the coach who spends numerous hours with these players and talks openly with them,that they would have spoken about the positional changes at training to better the team...I will accept apologies,because Madge is the coach and knows far more than us...he is starting to get results albeit the hard way,but it will happen...

u asked 4 that neck chop,got it lol

can you speak English when you post...I didnt ask for anything but a courteous reply,however that must be beyond some on here..
 
@truetiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365059) said:
@merlot said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365056) said:
@truetiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365048) said:
Im going to stick my neck out here and have a say why we had a great result against the Knights on magic weekend...and as usual I will cop the criticism if Im wrong....

Firstly the reason we played better is because our golden haired boy was moved from 5/8 to centre where he has had experience before,Im talking about AD..he is relatively new to the 5/8 position at NRL level and Madge has seen that and made a change...Mbye who everybody wants to get rid of finally got to play his favoured position in the halves,a great ball distributor,defender and understands that the backs NEED ball...

Secondly,AD played a very classy game and ran the ball well and scored points,because he was fed by Mbye and given space...he learnt something about playing 5/8 at NRL level...

Lastly for all the people who bagged me when I said to leave things to the coach who spends numerous hours with these players and talks openly with them,that they would have spoken about the positional changes at training to better the team...I will accept apologies,because Madge is the coach and knows far more than us...he is starting to get results albeit the hard way,but it will happen...

u asked 4 that neck chop,got it lol

can you speak English when you post...I didnt ask for anything but a courteous reply,however that must be beyond some on here..

have a laugh sunshine read the 1st paragragh of your post,n there is no put downs anger etc here luvy
 
@truetiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365054) said:
@milky said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365049) said:
@truetiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365048) said:
Im going to stick my neck out here and have a say why we had a great result against the Knights on magic weekend...and as usual I will cop the criticism if Im wrong....

Firstly the reason we played better is because our golden haired boy was moved from 5/8 to centre where he has had experience before,Im talking about AD..he is relatively new to the 5/8 position at NRL level and Madge has seen that and made a change...Mbye who everybody wants to get rid of finally got to play his favoured position in the halves,a great ball distributor,defender and understands that the backs NEED ball...

Secondly,AD played a very classy game and ran the ball well and scored points,because he was fed by Mbye and given space...he learnt something about playing 5/8 at NRL level...

Lastly for all the people who bagged me when I said to leave things to the coach who spends numerous hours with these players and talks openly with them,that they would have spoken about the positional changes at training to better the team...I will accept apologies,because Madge is the coach and knows far more than us...he is starting to get results albeit the hard way,but it will happen...

Are you serious? We beat the Knights B-grade side and with respect to the Knights, their A-grade side is bottom 8 quality at best.

The decision to move Doueihi to centre is a short term decision to gain immediate results to save face for Madge. He is our future in the halves and Madge moving him is not in our long term interests.

Milky,dont denegrate me because you think you can from a keyboard...I gave an honest opinion of why the changes were made,,AD will be in the halves long term,but he needs to learn that position at NRL level,Mbye showed him how to do it and Madge deserves the credit for making changes that affect this team positively...
I have played the game and have seen many changes to it over the years,you are young and learning,but dont try and bellittle someone who is older and respects each and everyones opinion on here albeit I have had arguements with members and have resolved differing opinions in a courteous a well mannered way...I have forgotten more than some on here profess to know....

Yeah fair call, my opinion came across quite assertive. You’re entitled to your own mate, didn’t mean to have a go at you.
 
@851 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1364841) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1364021) said:
@bbobb said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1363507) said:
I cannot help thinking that the Doueihi-Mbye swap was more about Brooksy not being over called by Doueihi. The removal of Benji was meant to help him find his voice - little did they know, they got a louder one in AD.

I reckon AD might be the next to agitate for a release, the whole thing about $$$ for centre’s versus halves and his open desire to play 5/8.

Doueihi looked pretty happy scoring tries. I'm sure the club can and will match anything offered for a good junior. They let him slip one time but I'm confident we are a much improved retention and recruitment organisation.

He was interviewed today and reaffirmed his preference is to play five eight, but will play where Madge wants him to. He was promised five eight, so how long he keeps towing the line is anyone's guess

He can't complain much though, as he had been given many rounds to alter his style to benefit the team. Also pretty sure Adam knows his defensive issues and what needs to be done to benefit the side more in attack when he surely is given another chance in the six.
 
@truetiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365048) said:
Im going to stick my neck out here and have a say why we had a great result against the Knights on magic weekend...and as usual I will cop the criticism if Im wrong....

Firstly the reason we played better is because our golden haired boy was moved from 5/8 to centre where he has had experience before,Im talking about AD..he is relatively new to the 5/8 position at NRL level and Madge has seen that and made a change...Mbye who everybody wants to get rid of finally got to play his favoured position in the halves,a great ball distributor,defender and understands that the backs NEED ball...

Secondly,AD played a very classy game and ran the ball well and scored points,because he was fed by Mbye and given space...he learnt something about playing 5/8 at NRL level...

Lastly for all the people who bagged me when I said to leave things to the coach who spends numerous hours with these players and talks openly with them,that they would have spoken about the positional changes at training to better the team...I will accept apologies,because Madge is the coach and knows far more than us...he is starting to get results albeit the hard way,but it will happen...


100% correct imo TT. People only see Doueihi making a couple of tackle breaks and get excited. The objective is team cohesion, some harmonic motion 😜. Doueihi was given plenty of clean ball by Brooks in rnd 9, but he failed to set the backline alight. If he wants to play 6 then he needs to work on that part of his game. After watching him play a few games for us in different positions it’s clear to me that he is a centre or 13. Either way he needs sprint training . Needs to be faster off the mark, if he wants to play 6. I believe he will be one of the best centres WT has had.
Madge is doing a great job given the circumstances he inherited and while many may constantly criticise his decisions, they are born from a single purpose..winning. imo.
 
@truetiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365059) said:
@merlot said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365056) said:
@truetiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365048) said:
Im going to stick my neck out here and have a say why we had a great result against the Knights on magic weekend...and as usual I will cop the criticism if Im wrong....

Firstly the reason we played better is because our golden haired boy was moved from 5/8 to centre where he has had experience before,Im talking about AD..he is relatively new to the 5/8 position at NRL level and Madge has seen that and made a change...Mbye who everybody wants to get rid of finally got to play his favoured position in the halves,a great ball distributor,defender and understands that the backs NEED ball...

Secondly,AD played a very classy game and ran the ball well and scored points,because he was fed by Mbye and given space...he learnt something about playing 5/8 at NRL level...

Lastly for all the people who bagged me when I said to leave things to the coach who spends numerous hours with these players and talks openly with them,that they would have spoken about the positional changes at training to better the team...I will accept apologies,because Madge is the coach and knows far more than us...he is starting to get results albeit the hard way,but it will happen...

u asked 4 that neck chop,got it lol

can you speak English when you post...I didnt ask for anything but a courteous reply,however that must be beyond some on here..

Wat u wnt from us lol
 
@twentyforty said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365134) said:
@truetiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365048) said:
Im going to stick my neck out here and have a say why we had a great result against the Knights on magic weekend...and as usual I will cop the criticism if Im wrong....

Firstly the reason we played better is because our golden haired boy was moved from 5/8 to centre where he has had experience before,Im talking about AD..he is relatively new to the 5/8 position at NRL level and Madge has seen that and made a change...Mbye who everybody wants to get rid of finally got to play his favoured position in the halves,a great ball distributor,defender and understands that the backs NEED ball...

Secondly,AD played a very classy game and ran the ball well and scored points,because he was fed by Mbye and given space...he learnt something about playing 5/8 at NRL level...

Lastly for all the people who bagged me when I said to leave things to the coach who spends numerous hours with these players and talks openly with them,that they would have spoken about the positional changes at training to better the team...I will accept apologies,because Madge is the coach and knows far more than us...he is starting to get results albeit the hard way,but it will happen...


100% correct imo TT. People only see Doueihi making a couple of tackle breaks and get excited. The objective is team cohesion, some harmonic motion ?. Doueihi was given plenty of clean ball by Brooks in rnd 9, but he failed to set the backline alight. If he wants to play 6 then he needs to work on that part of his game. After watching him play a few games for us in different positions it’s clear to me that he is a centre or 13. Either way he needs sprint training . Needs to be faster off the mark, if he wants to play 6. I believe he will be one of the best centres WT has had.
Madge is doing a great job given the circumstances he inherited and while many may constantly criticise his decisions, they are born from a single purpose..winning. imo.

Noticed talau looked good when he came to the middle. ?
 
@needaname said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365051) said:
Nevermind reasoning with the unreasonable Geo.

Get off your high horse mate, it's a long way to fall from up there
 
@formerguest said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365070) said:
@851 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1364841) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1364021) said:
@bbobb said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1363507) said:
I cannot help thinking that the Doueihi-Mbye swap was more about Brooksy not being over called by Doueihi. The removal of Benji was meant to help him find his voice - little did they know, they got a louder one in AD.

I reckon AD might be the next to agitate for a release, the whole thing about $$$ for centre’s versus halves and his open desire to play 5/8.

Doueihi looked pretty happy scoring tries. I'm sure the club can and will match anything offered for a good junior. They let him slip one time but I'm confident we are a much improved retention and recruitment organisation.

He was interviewed today and reaffirmed his preference is to play five eight, but will play where Madge wants him to. He was promised five eight, so how long he keeps towing the line is anyone's guess

He can't complain much though, as he had been given many rounds to alter his style to benefit the team. Also pretty sure Adam knows his defensive issues and what needs to be done to benefit the side more in attack when he surely is given another chance in the six.

Douiehi has been given many rounds as you say, what about Brooks, holy hell, he has had years
 
One thing I noticed at the game, is that Brooks was actually playing both sides of the field on Fri night, roving around, dominant on the left, but also moving to the right. His kicking game was spot on, being able to lead the Team around was a good move for him, let's see this weekend but.
 
Over the last two or three seasons I've come to the conclusion that the dirty secret about Brooks is that he's... ok. I'll hold my hands up and say I continued hoping he'd become brilliant for longer than I probably should, and I have certainly revised my expectations down quite a lot.

Equally, though, I think the popular current meme that he is somehow unplayably awful is going just as far off the side the other way. He does some things well, others badly and his biggest problem is that he's quite capable of having really, really poor games. His skill set unfortunately puts him in no-man's land to some extent: his kicking game and personality don't lend themselves to being a game manager, but he's never been able to just play off the cuff either.

Ultimately, as a team whose best approach is probably to be planning around being genuinely competitive (ie actually challenging, not aiming to arse into eighth place) in a couple of years' time, the only real questions are:
- Can Brooks ever be a half in a competitive side or is he simply not good enough?
- What is it going to cost to keep him on the roster?

I'd argue that actually, yeah, he could be part of a competitive side albeit probably not the dominant half. I mean, Chad Townsend has a premiership and so does John Sutton - you wouldn't pick either of those as your top playmaker or on-field general. I'll get laughed at for this but there are plenty of other successful halves where I think if they swapped careers you wouldn't be able to say they were definitively better than Brooks - people like Jahrome Hughes, Michael Morgan or Luke Keary. If they'd played for the Tigers for the past decade I doubt anyone would think of them as highly as most do. I'm not saying Brooks is as good as any of them but he's not as far adrift as is commonly suggested, either.

What I'm getting to is that if Brooks is the second half on relatively low coin he could still be a valuable player for us, because we should be able to spend the spare cash on strike elsewhere.

The challenge is more that all our other decent halves options at the moment are more 5/8 types than genuine half backs - by which I mean specifically Doueihi and Laurie. They both need a first receiver who does the bulk of the game management and kicking work, which really isn't a role that suits Brooks. Plus we have inexperienced hookers who aren't offering much in the kicking game, either.

I'm not really sure where this leaves Brooks. I know that if he wants $700-800k in his next deal there's probably no value for us, because we probably need a 'genuine' half unless we do some very, very clever recruiting to bring in playmaking options at hooker, back row or lock. Maybe the Mbye/Doueihi experiment where we effectively play two 5/8s is the way forward after all. On the other hand, I don't think Brooks is a write-off either - and if the rest of the comp is undervaluing him perhaps there is some future there.
 
@2041 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365365) said:
What I’m getting to is that if Brooks is the second half on relatively low coin he could still be a valuable player for us, because we should be able to spend the spare cash on strike elsewhere.

Really good post but this sums it up for me. Brooks is a decent NRL half. If we can get a better team via paying him less (which is what he deserves) then it can work.
 
@earl said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365367) said:
@2041 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365365) said:
What I’m getting to is that if Brooks is the second half on relatively low coin he could still be a valuable player for us, because we should be able to spend the spare cash on strike elsewhere.

Really good post but this sums it up for me. Brooks is a decent NRL half. If we can get a better team via paying him less (which is what he deserves) then it can work.

And just how are we going to pay him less?
He is signed until the end of 2023 on a reported $900k a year… our most expensive player.
 
@2041 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365365) said:
Over the last two or three seasons I've come to the conclusion that the dirty secret about Brooks is that he's... ok. I'll hold my hands up and say I continued hoping he'd become brilliant for longer than I probably should, and I have certainly revised my expectations down quite a lot.

Equally, though, I think the popular current meme that he is somehow unplayably awful is going just as far off the side the other way. He does some things well, others badly and his biggest problem is that he's quite capable of having really, really poor games. His skill set unfortunately puts him in no-man's land to some extent: his kicking game and personality don't lend themselves to being a game manager, but he's never been able to just play off the cuff either.

Ultimately, as a team whose best approach is probably to be planning around being genuinely competitive (ie actually challenging, not aiming to arse into eighth place) in a couple of years' time, the only real questions are:
- Can Brooks ever be a half in a competitive side or is he simply not good enough?
- What is it going to cost to keep him on the roster?

I'd argue that actually, yeah, he could be part of a competitive side albeit probably not the dominant half. I mean, Chad Townsend has a premiership and so does John Sutton - you wouldn't pick either of those as your top playmaker or on-field general. I'll get laughed at for this but there are plenty of other successful halves where I think if they swapped careers you wouldn't be able to say they were definitively better than Brooks - people like Jahrome Hughes, Michael Morgan or Luke Keary. If they'd played for the Tigers for the past decade I doubt anyone would think of them as highly as most do. I'm not saying Brooks is as good as any of them but he's not as far adrift as is commonly suggested, either.

What I'm getting to is that if Brooks is the second half on relatively low coin he could still be a valuable player for us, because we should be able to spend the spare cash on strike elsewhere.

The challenge is more that all our other decent halves options at the moment are more 5/8 types than genuine half backs - by which I mean specifically Doueihi and Laurie. They both need a first receiver who does the bulk of the game management and kicking work, which really isn't a role that suits Brooks. Plus we have inexperienced hookers who aren't offering much in the kicking game, either.

I'm not really sure where this leaves Brooks. I know that if he wants $700-800k in his next deal there's probably no value for us, because we probably need a 'genuine' half unless we do some very, very clever recruiting to bring in playmaking options at hooker, back row or lock. Maybe the Mbye/Doueihi experiment where we effectively play two 5/8s is the way forward after all. On the other hand, I don't think Brooks is a write-off either - and if the rest of the comp is undervaluing him perhaps there is some future there.


Good summary....although I think Keary is the real deal.
 
@cktiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365477) said:
@earl said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365367) said:
@2041 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365365) said:
What I’m getting to is that if Brooks is the second half on relatively low coin he could still be a valuable player for us, because we should be able to spend the spare cash on strike elsewhere.

Really good post but this sums it up for me. Brooks is a decent NRL half. If we can get a better team via paying him less (which is what he deserves) then it can work.

And just how are we going to pay him less?
He is signed until the end of 2023 on a reported $900k a year… our most expensive player.


M'Bye is our most expensive player,Brooks would not be on 900k
 
@cktiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365477) said:
@earl said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365367) said:
@2041 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365365) said:
What I’m getting to is that if Brooks is the second half on relatively low coin he could still be a valuable player for us, because we should be able to spend the spare cash on strike elsewhere.

Really good post but this sums it up for me. Brooks is a decent NRL half. If we can get a better team via paying him less (which is what he deserves) then it can work.

And just how are we going to pay him less?
He is signed until the end of 2023 on a reported $900k a year… our most expensive player.

Is this the real figure. At one point I thought it was 500k.
 
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