Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[avocadoontoast]

Big question is what does a new coach bring? Can they suddenly change our culture? I doubt it. Can they suddenly sign top players? Probably not. Unless they're a top quality coach there probably won't be much difference

Madge has always been playing the long game with developing juniors and that's showing in the success of our Flegg and Reserve grade teams. If I'm him I just start throwing as many of them into first grade as I can at this point.

Just my opinion, but I think a new coach would be tactically better. Madge’s style is old fashioned, 5 hit ups and a bomb. There doesn’t seem to be any fluidity in attack.

I also think there are issues there between him and the playing group which is why our attitude sucks. Not saying it’s all his fault, but they’re not buying in to what he’s trying to do, and it’s showing. 2 years ago or even last year that was partially justified by the fact it ‘wasn’t his team’, but 28 of the 30 are his signings or re-signings. He doesn’t seem to have buy in anywhere. I don’t see how that’s something he can change.

 

[JC99]

Big question is what does a new coach bring? Can they suddenly change our culture? I doubt it. Can they suddenly sign top players? Probably not. Unless they're a top quality coach there probably won't be much difference

Madge has always been playing the long game with developing juniors and that's showing in the success of our Flegg and Reserve grade teams. If I'm him I just start throwing as many of them into first grade as I can at this point.


Yes we have to play the long game. Not panic because of a poor result for season 2021. This is the way you fix things. Changing the coach now would just lead to more of the same we have had in the last 10 years.

We need to blood the juniors that is for sure. Don't know throwing as many in as possible is the way to do it, that smells of panic also. A systematic approach would be more appropriate.

Problem is we need some quality experience and leadership too. Tamou isn't on the field for 80 mins. Brooks and Ofahengaue are our next most experienced and they're not really leaders...

We need someone like Finucane or the Morris bros but why would any of those players join us.

 

[hobbo1]

Big question is what does a new coach bring? Can they suddenly change our culture? I doubt it. Can they suddenly sign top players? Probably not. Unless they're a top quality coach there probably won't be much difference

Madge has always been playing the long game with developing juniors and that's showing in the success of our Flegg and Reserve grade teams. If I'm him I just start throwing as many of them into first grade as I can at this point.


**Yes we have to play the long game**. Not panic because of a poor result for season 2021. This is the way you fix things. Changing the coach now would just lead to more of the same we have had in the last 10 years.

We need to blood the juniors that is for sure. Don't know throwing as many in as possible is the way to do it, that smells of panic also. A systematic approach would be more appropriate.

How long is that game? If we have a group of Luke Brooks in lower grades that don't step up does he get a go with the next batch?


Blood them this year, no doubt. But do it a way that doesn't crush them either. There are some players in the Knock-on cup that could make the grade but they need to be carefully managed through.

Blood them but don’t crush them ?

They’ll be entering a failed squad who get regularly bashed ...yeah that’s a great idea ?

 

[Furious1]

To tell the truth ,if Madge gets sacked I can guarantee this club will be in whole world of hurt for the next 3/5 years with no FINALS appearance...
coaches,players ,admin will all give the place a wide bearth...you reckon we cant attract marquee signings,see how we end up after sacking a premiership coach who has tried to cleanup a rabble that it has been for years...


If Madge does get the chop i doubt i will ever see us make the semis again in my life and it will just be an endless cycle of failure

With Hartigan, his recruiting team and the lower grade coaches and systems, WTs are in a really good position. **Maguire's issue is not just the losses, but the manner in which we lost. If the team went down fighting, all of us would be satisfied although disappointed.** The issue is more than that and it seems the squad do not believe in his methods.

Thats it in a nutshell for me. I was telling my young bloke when we left the ground yesterday, in all my years as a Balmain and and WT supporter we have had some appalling sides who absolutely tried their guts out and got flogged. They just weren't good enough but gave their all. It was easier to accept the result because they played with heart.
The side i saw yesterday turned it up when it got tough. That is an attitude and nothing else. I saw someone say elsewhere ( i apologise i can't remember who) about how they found themselves switching off hearing Madge say the same old crap in the presser and they could understand the players doing the same. So can i. It's exactly how i feel.

Can anybody honestly say our game plans look good. We have absolutely nothing in attack. Second man play out the back, gee thats tricky. Maybe try some variations to it.

 

[jadtiger]

To tell the truth ,if Madge gets sacked I can guarantee this club will be in whole world of hurt for the next 3/5 years with no FINALS appearance...
coaches,players ,admin will all give the place a wide bearth...you reckon we cant attract marquee signings,see how we end up after sacking a premiership coach who has tried to cleanup a rabble that it has been for years...


If Madge does get the chop i doubt i will ever see us make the semis again in my life and it will just be an endless cycle of failure

With Hartigan, his recruiting team and the lower grade coaches and systems, WTs are in a really good position. Maguire's issue is not just the losses, but the manner in which we lost. If the team went down fighting, all of us would be satisfied although disappointed. The issue is more than that and it seems the squad do not believe in his methods.

Removing the coach will only continue the cycle,a cycle in which we are flailing around like a drunken blind man hoping to hit the bulls eye with a bow and arrow.Madge needs to see out his contract to bring on the young blokes he has brought to our club.
We need stability and not continual upheaval.I hope we can get Morris here as an assistant coach this year to help Madge.

 

[twentyforty]

I’ve been a supporter of Madge and still am .... but .... There is definitely something to be said about the mental preparation of this team on game days.
They just fail to and loose focus for periods in the game.
And it’s nothing new and Madge just can’t seem to get on top of this. It is now embedded in our DNA and I’m not sure I can see a short term solution.
Whether it means we need a new coach with a new approach is hard one ..... you would have to be very careful that you “don’t throw the baby out with the water” .....


The players are emotionally immature mate. We saw them come to play and played like a top 4 team for 30 minutes . Shows they were well prepared. A couple of missed tackles later and they drop their bundle. Then very late in the game, when it was decided, they want to get back in the grind? It shows lack of on field leadership.
I would love to see Mbye and Packer gone.

Yep, this it. Don't let the players win by backing them over their coach. They need to start playing hard before they earn the right to have a say in who coaches them.

I try to look at it with the view of having the entire organisation striving for a common goal. Segmenting the organisation will perpetuate the problem. imo.

 

[tony soprano]

To tell the truth ,if Madge gets sacked I can guarantee this club will be in whole world of hurt for the next 3/5 years with no FINALS appearance...
coaches,players ,admin will all give the place a wide bearth...you reckon we cant attract marquee signings,see how we end up after sacking a premiership coach who has tried to cleanup a rabble that it has been for years...


If Madge does get the chop i doubt i will ever see us make the semis again in my life and it will just be an endless cycle of failure

With Hartigan, his recruiting team and the lower grade coaches and systems, WTs are in a really good position. **Maguire's issue is not just the losses, but the manner in which we lost. If the team went down fighting, all of us would be satisfied although disappointed.** The issue is more than that and it seems the squad do not believe in his methods.


Thats it in a nutshell for me. I was telling my young bloke when we left the ground yesterday, in all my years as a Balmain and and WT supporter we have had some appalling sides who absolutely tried their guts out and got flogged. They just weren't good enough but gave their all. It was easier to accept the result because they played with heart.
The side i saw yesterday turned it up when it got tough. That is an attitude and nothing else. I saw someone say elsewhere ( i apologise i can't remember who) about how they found themselves switching off hearing Madge say the same old crap in the presser and they could understand the players doing the same. So can i. It's exactly how i feel.

Can anybody honestly say our game plans look good. We have absolutely nothing in attack. Second man play out the back, gee thats tricky. Maybe try some variations to it.

Most coaches have the same plays I think it’s having the players to judge what the field is doing and play around the plays like turbo.

 

[jadtiger]

Big question is what does a new coach bring? Can they suddenly change our culture? I doubt it. Can they suddenly sign top players? Probably not. Unless they're a top quality coach there probably won't be much difference

Madge has always been playing the long game with developing juniors and that's showing in the success of our Flegg and Reserve grade teams. If I'm him I just start throwing as many of them into first grade as I can at this point.

You are partialy correct imo but you have to bleed them unto first grade slowly as exposing them all quickly could have the opposite effect to what you want to achieve.I still believe Madge has to stay as FG coach for stability.It was never going to be a quick fix.

 

[Furious1]

Big question is what does a new coach bring? Can they suddenly change our culture? I doubt it. Can they suddenly sign top players? Probably not. Unless they're a top quality coach there probably won't be much difference

Madge has always been playing the long game with developing juniors and that's showing in the success of our Flegg and Reserve grade teams. If I'm him I just start throwing as many of them into first grade as I can at this point.


You are partialy correct imo but you have to bleed them unto first grade slowly as exposing them all quickly could have the opposite effect to what you want to achieve.I still believe Madge has to stay as FG coach for stability.It was never going to be a quick fix.

I don't think anyone is/was expecting a quick fix, but improvement not a decline in team performance.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

To tell the truth ,if Madge gets sacked I can guarantee this club will be in whole world of hurt for the next 3/5 years with no FINALS appearance...
coaches,players ,admin will all give the place a wide bearth...you reckon we cant attract marquee signings,see how we end up after sacking a premiership coach who has tried to cleanup a rabble that it has been for years...


If Madge does get the chop i doubt i will ever see us make the semis again in my life and it will just be an endless cycle of failure

With Hartigan, his recruiting team and the lower grade coaches and systems, WTs are in a really good position. Maguire's issue is not just the losses, but the manner in which we lost. If the team went down fighting, all of us would be satisfied although disappointed. The issue is more than that and it seems the squad do not believe in his methods.


Removing the coach will only continue the cycle,a cycle in which we are flailing around like a drunken blind man hoping to hit the bulls eye with a bow and arrow.Madge needs to see out his contract to bring on the young blokes he has brought to our club.
We need stability and not continual upheaval.I hope we can get Morris here as an assistant coach this year to help Madge.

We need a new coach who is really good at people management and is flexible in their attitude towards players and playing a style of football which best caters for the skillsets of players in the squad. Ideally, the new coach should at least make the prospect of joining WTs attractive. We are a good club, great off field, excellent junior recruitment and retention, great coaching and support staff in all grades but top coach?

 

[tony soprano]

Madge biggest concern is his team selections

 

[TigerWest]

Big question is what does a new coach bring? Can they suddenly change our culture? I doubt it. Can they suddenly sign top players? Probably not. Unless they're a top quality coach there probably won't be much difference

Madge has always been playing the long game with developing juniors and that's showing in the success of our Flegg and Reserve grade teams. If I'm him I just start throwing as many of them into first grade as I can at this point.


You are partialy correct imo but **you have to bleed them unto first grade slowly as exposing them all quickly** could have the opposite effect to what you want to achieve.I still believe Madge has to stay as FG coach for stability.It was never going to be a quick fix.

Agree, but the pressure to win (by everyone) must be immense and rightly so.
Our new policy of not over paying for players is great, but we need some elite players now.
Get success, then look at our new policy.

 

[Rugba]

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/the-numbers-that-show-why-maguire-is-in-the-crosshairs-at-tigers-20210425-p57m9o.html

Not looking good for him

 

[Red88_Tiger]

To tell the truth ,if Madge gets sacked I can guarantee this club will be in whole world of hurt for the next 3/5 years with no FINALS appearance...
coaches,players ,admin will all give the place a wide bearth...you reckon we cant attract marquee signings,see how we end up after sacking a premiership coach who has tried to cleanup a rabble that it has been for years...


If Madge does get the chop i doubt i will ever see us make the semis again in my life and it will just be an endless cycle of failure

With Hartigan, his recruiting team and the lower grade coaches and systems, WTs are in a really good position. Maguire's issue is not just the losses, but the manner in which we lost. If the team went down fighting, all of us would be satisfied although disappointed. The issue is more than that and it seems the squad do not believe in his methods.


Removing the coach will only continue the cycle,a cycle in which we are flailing around like a drunken blind man hoping to hit the bulls eye with a bow and arrow.Madge needs to see out his contract to bring on the young blokes he has brought to our club.
We need stability and not continual upheaval.I hope we can get Morris here as an assistant coach this year to help Madge.

We need a new coach who is really good at people management and is flexible in their attitude towards players and playing a style of football which best caters for the skillsets of players in the squad. Ideally, the new coach should at least make the prospect of joining WTs attractive. We are a good club, great off field, excellent junior recruitment and retention, great coaching and support staff in all grades but top coach?

The era of professional footballers where you just turn up and bludge and still get paid. Then wait for the coach to take the fall. Gotta break this cycle. Think of the most pain you can take then triple it should then come out the other side.
From an outside view the club and juniors are the best I can remember.Building from the base up is definitely the way to go imo.

 

[Telltails]

Big question is what does a new coach bring? Can they suddenly change our culture? I doubt it. Can they suddenly sign top players? Probably not. Unless they're a top quality coach there probably won't be much difference

Madge has always been playing the long game with developing juniors and that's showing in the success of our Flegg and Reserve grade teams. If I'm him I just start throwing as many of them into first grade as I can at this point.


You are partialy correct imo but **you have to bleed them unto first grade slowly as exposing them all quickly** could have the opposite effect to what you want to achieve.I still believe Madge has to stay as FG coach for stability.It was never going to be a quick fix.

Agree, but the pressure to win (by everyone) must be immense. Our new policy of not over paying for players is great, but we need some elite players now. Get success, then look at our new policy.

Elite players have options and we are not it.

 

[avocadoontoast]

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/the-numbers-that-show-why-maguire-is-in-the-crosshairs-at-tigers-20210425-p57m9o.html

Not looking good for him

No it’s not, and all these articles from Chammas aren’t just speculation. He’s clearly being leaked all this stuff with the intention of getting it out there. I think he’ll be gone soon, wouldn’t be surprised if it’s this week.

 

[TigerWest]

Big question is what does a new coach bring? Can they suddenly change our culture? I doubt it. Can they suddenly sign top players? Probably not. Unless they're a top quality coach there probably won't be much difference

Madge has always been playing the long game with developing juniors and that's showing in the success of our Flegg and Reserve grade teams. If I'm him I just start throwing as many of them into first grade as I can at this point.


You are partialy correct imo but **you have to bleed them unto first grade slowly as exposing them all quickly** could have the opposite effect to what you want to achieve.I still believe Madge has to stay as FG coach for stability.It was never going to be a quick fix.

Agree, but the pressure to win (by everyone) must be immense. Our new policy of not over paying for players is great, but we need some elite players now. Get success, then look at our new policy.

Elite players have options and we are not it.

Agree, but $'s can make them see things differently.

 

[JC99]

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/the-numbers-that-show-why-maguire-is-in-the-crosshairs-at-tigers-20210425-p57m9o.html

Not looking good for him

Getting harder to call Benji a club legend. He's such a spoiled brat, you'd think a 36 year old man would have class but he's like a school girl. Gets dropped (deservedly so) and attempts to turn the playing group on the coach which is still causing issues to this day I'm sure.

Club shouldn't give him anything in the future ever again. Real club legends don't act that way, Lawrence is the best example.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/the-numbers-that-show-why-maguire-is-in-the-crosshairs-at-tigers-20210425-p57m9o.html

Not looking good for him

Getting harder to call Benji a club legend. He's such a spoiled brat, you'd think a 36 year old man would have class but he's like a school girl. Gets dropped (deservedly so) and attempts to turn the playing group on the coach which is still causing issues to this day I'm sure.

Club shouldn't give him anything in the future ever again. Real club legends don't act that way, Lawrence is the best example.

The article is spot on, the Club should have listened to what was being said, not who said it.

And I know plenty of tough and skillful school girls.

 

[JC99]

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/the-numbers-that-show-why-maguire-is-in-the-crosshairs-at-tigers-20210425-p57m9o.html

Not looking good for him

Getting harder to call Benji a club legend. He's such a spoiled brat, you'd think a 36 year old man would have class but he's like a school girl. Gets dropped (deservedly so) and attempts to turn the playing group on the coach which is still causing issues to this day I'm sure.

Club shouldn't give him anything in the future ever again. Real club legends don't act that way, Lawrence is the best example.

The article is spot on, the Club should have listened to what was being said, not who said it.

And I know plenty of tough and skillful school girls.

Not all the players felt like Benji did.... literally the only reason he was upset was because he got dropped and it hurt his ego. Why should the club listen to that bloke? He wants nothing but the best for himself and that's it. A lot of the younger guys back Madge and got upset with Benji and the other older plays for trying to cause drama.

Benji and Robbie used to run the club, they got coaches sacked and did whatever they want. Look where that's gotten us!