Madge Maguire - Mega Thread
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@goanna57 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1346957) said:
That’s ridiculous he’s assembled 90% of the squad. He’s trying to unravel it pretty much openly. I’m shocked it’s stayed together this long.
Since Madge has come in we have had Luciano, Blore, Utoikamanu, Harry Grant, Jake Simpkin, DaineLaurie, Ofehengaue, Douihei come in. In the reserves Tuki Simpkins, Tuilagi have also come in.
To varying degrees they are the best players in the team. They are also young and he’s building a team to last.
The one major mistake was Brooks extended after a Dally M season when we had b graders.
BJ, Jet, Tamou, Kepoa have been poor but most low cost.
The false narrative this is the squad Madge wants when Mbye, Packer and others are taking massive money off the cap is so wrong.
The problem is our best talents are young and not seasoned and can’t aim up every week. Our experienced players are loafers.
It sucks but long term rebuild is happening if weak management want to scapegoat and convince fans we are any good they either have no idea or straight out lie to fans.
gallagher
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@tyga said in [Sack Madge](/post/1347006) said:
Blake
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@truetiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1346801) said:
He also arranged the innovative swap deal for Harry Grant when we had no hooker. He has tried putting people in reserve grade to set standards.
Madge seems to have made a lot of good moves and he has tried different ways of improving the team. I really don't know what a different coach could have done differently that would have been more successful.
I don't know if Madge is the best coach for the Tigers, but the teams that have long term success have a stable coaching team. We can't just keep blaming the coach and seeing if a different one can change everything by himself.
Blake
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@851 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1346804) said:
When we had Cleary as coach we didn't make the 8. He made big gambles with expensive players for short term gain that did not work.
Cleary has inherited the Juniors from the that Gus and Griffin set up. Madge has been investing in young players and has been fixing the juniors system, which takes time to return results.
Blake
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@jedi_tiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1346842) said:
Tomorrow we will see "We are hearing rumours that Madge has lost the playing group" on the SMH based on this post.
Blake
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@truetiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1346843) said:
I agree @TrueTiger, if the Tigers losing games is causing depression and feelings of despair, some people might be happier following Rooster or WWE. Demanding people be sacked because you want change without understanding what the problems are is far worse than offering people a less stressful alternative.
TigerBlood93
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Madge has done good work with buying the best rookies around and getting them over. Unfortunately it’s the tigers attitude that has got me thinking maybe it’s time for a change.
Morris is known to be good with players (what we need) but barely any experience. Is he the answer or just another coach that will get the flick in 2 years?
Shane Flanagan was also mentioned? Can’t he adapt to the new game? Hopefully learned not to use peptides.
Other options? Cameron ciraldo? He would be a good option but I hate knowing he likes penrith. In saying that why don’t we go for the guy they sacked to get Ivan. He must hate Penrith? He even had Penrith going strong before they sacked him.
Other option would be Toovey? (at least he’s not afraid to say when the refs are wrong) he might make the boys more Agro which would be good.
Bellamy and bennet free next year?? Would be crazy not to make an attempt.
All in all If the tigers board want to get rid of a coach, do it soon! Give us enough time to perhaps salvage this season and prepare for next year!!
If we can’t get anyone great now. Give John Morris the gig for the rest of the year. If he improves our roster and shows great signs then we sign him on. If he doesn’t we at least have some time to go for someone more experienced.
Morris is known to be good with players (what we need) but barely any experience. Is he the answer or just another coach that will get the flick in 2 years?
Shane Flanagan was also mentioned? Can’t he adapt to the new game? Hopefully learned not to use peptides.
Other options? Cameron ciraldo? He would be a good option but I hate knowing he likes penrith. In saying that why don’t we go for the guy they sacked to get Ivan. He must hate Penrith? He even had Penrith going strong before they sacked him.
Other option would be Toovey? (at least he’s not afraid to say when the refs are wrong) he might make the boys more Agro which would be good.
Bellamy and bennet free next year?? Would be crazy not to make an attempt.
All in all If the tigers board want to get rid of a coach, do it soon! Give us enough time to perhaps salvage this season and prepare for next year!!
If we can’t get anyone great now. Give John Morris the gig for the rest of the year. If he improves our roster and shows great signs then we sign him on. If he doesn’t we at least have some time to go for someone more experienced.
travisbickle 0
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You people are crazy. Sacking the coach isn't the answer. Everyone can see what Madge is building here. Sacking the coach (again) will set us back another 5 years. We have so much potential with the current roster. You can sense we are close to turning the corner, if we can hold our nerve, I think this time next year we will be killing it! If we sack the coach we will be back to square one!!
@travisbickle-0 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1347038) said:
I tend to agree though I acknowledge Madge can't turn this sinking ship around himself and he would greatly benefit from a strong assistant joining the club to take some of the pressure and accountability off.
I've heard on the back of what happened with Seibold at Souffs Madge is paranoid his assistant coaches will white ant him again so he has been very selective with the support team around him however this paranoia could cost him his job at the end of the day if he doesn't trust other people.
If I was Madge I would be sending an SOS out to John Morris, he has nothing to lose.
pawsandclaws1
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@jadtiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1346782) said:
With Hartigan, his recruiting team and the lower grade coaches and systems, WTs are in a really good position. Maguire's issue is not just the losses, but the manner in which we lost. If the team went down fighting, all of us would be satisfied although disappointed. The issue is more than that and it seems the squad do not believe in his methods.
innsaneink
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@truetiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1346817) said:
Not cool
Playing the man
Something needs to change, that rubbish yesterday is unacceptable and its just not getting better
They're.not responding to him
Times have changed, players know they can get a coach removed if they don't like him.... It's soft and weak I know but it's how it is now
He can't tell em to "drop and gimmee 50 pushups' anymore... It's more" would you like me to call the welfare officer? "
innsaneink
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@travisbickle-0 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1347038) said:
Dunno how you see us turning a corner.... I see a long dark tunnel with no light at the end.
We saw improvements last week but many of us knew we'd be back to crap again real quick
They proved us right
I see LL and Laurie... Those two are having a crack.the rest don't. Look. To. Be compare to other teams
Harvey
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The next step in our rebuild is to get a couple of big names in. We will have to pay overs.
The problem I have is despite having plenty of cap space recently we only seem capable of attracting recycling projects and players transitioning to retirement.
Is this problem a result of the coach or the club in general?
The problem I have is despite having plenty of cap space recently we only seem capable of attracting recycling projects and players transitioning to retirement.
Is this problem a result of the coach or the club in general?
Big question is what does a new coach bring? Can they suddenly change our culture? I doubt it. Can they suddenly sign top players? Probably not. Unless they're a top quality coach there probably won't be much difference
Madge has always been playing the long game with developing juniors and that's showing in the success of our Flegg and Reserve grade teams. If I'm him I just start throwing as many of them into first grade as I can at this point.
Madge has always been playing the long game with developing juniors and that's showing in the success of our Flegg and Reserve grade teams. If I'm him I just start throwing as many of them into first grade as I can at this point.
mike
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@jc99 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1347060) said:
Yes we have to play the long game. Not panic because of a poor result for season 2021. This is the way you fix things. Changing the coach now would just lead to more of the same we have had in the last 10 years.
We need to blood the juniors that is for sure. Don't know throwing as many in as possible is the way to do it, that smells of panic also. A systematic approach would be more appropriate.
mike
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@kiwitiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1347062) said:
Blood them this year, no doubt. But do it a way that doesn't crush them either. There are some players in the Knock-on cup that could make the grade but they need to be carefully managed through.
