Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[rihannafan1]

Sometimes you need to go backwards before you can go forward. Sacking Madge won’t achieve anything. Culture change takes a long time. Madge sets high standards and that’s exactly what this club needs. For too long we have been happy with mediocrity, Madge isn’t and neither am I.

I'm with you there Mike. The problem is higher than him but unfortunately they won't see themselves as the problem

And we can't do anything about them by the sounds of things. So, round and round we go.

No we don’t go round and round. That would be sacking the coach. Change can come from the top down but it can also come from the bottom up. We need to continue to set high standards for the players until they get it. Those players that can’t, you move them on. Mediocrity will not be accepted.

So by my reckoning we have 4 players worth keeping and we need to move on the rest ...revolving door mate !

Letting the players get away with that performance by sacking the coach is exactly why we are in the current predicament. It breeds poor culture by allowing a lack of player accountability for their performances. That has to stop and now. Do what the coach wants or I’ll see you out the door is what is needed now. This is what all the successful teams do.

Look at how many new players and re- signed players in Maguire’s time at the club between 76-80% how many more turn over of players do you want .He’s not getting them to gel he brought the majority of this players into the side it’s on him he’s not getting the team to improve at all


So you keep turning the players over until you get the right mix. This is not a Maguire issue, it has been going on for a decade where the players were not held responsible, instead it was all on the coach. An easy out for the players.

This will be his third year though. I do think longevity is good for a coach and staff as it can build identity. Just look at Stuart at the Raiders.

But that effort yday and since the Warriors game last year has stunk. They don't seem to be responding to his coaching and at some point it can't be the players who are at fault.

Perhaps he needs better support from above or in the assistant's box.

 

[TigerWest]

Sometimes you need to go backwards before you can go forward. Sacking Madge won’t achieve anything. Culture change takes a long time. Madge sets high standards and that’s exactly what this club needs. For too long we have been happy with mediocrity, Madge isn’t and neither am I.

I'm with you there Mike. The problem is higher than him but unfortunately they won't see themselves as the problem

And we can't do anything about them by the sounds of things. So, round and round we go.

No we don’t go round and round. That would be sacking the coach. Change can come from the top down but it can also come from the bottom up. We need to continue to set high standards for the players until they get it. Those players that can’t, you move them on. Mediocrity will not be accepted.

So by my reckoning we have 4 players worth keeping and we need to move on the rest ...revolving door mate !

Letting the players get away with that performance by sacking the coach is exactly why we are in the current predicament. It breeds poor culture by allowing a lack of player accountability for their performances. That has to stop and now. Do what the coach wants or I’ll see you out the door is what is needed now. This is what all the successful teams do.

Look at how many new players and re- signed players in Maguire’s time at the club between 76-80% how many more turn over of players do you want .He’s not getting them to gel he brought the majority of this players into the side it’s on him he’s not getting the team to improve at all


So you keep turning the players over until you get the right mix. This is not a Maguire issue, it has been going on for a decade where the players were not held responsible, instead it was all on the coach. An easy out for the players.

This will be his third year though. I do think longevity is good for a coach and staff as it can build identity. Just look at Stuart at the Raiders.

But that effort yday and since the Warriors game last year has stunk. They don't seem to be responding to his coaching and at some point it can't be the players who are at fault.

Perhaps he needs better support from above or in the assistant's box.

Sorry, why can’t it be the players fault? They (most) as individuals, were terrible. Trouble is, with 4 reserves (usually no backs) there is no way to change it during the game.

I mean, Nofo and Jet would have been hooked very early if there was.

But, I gotta say, I thought we had a pretty good team on paper for the game, no one would of seen what was going to happen.

Will be interesting to see who is playing next week.

 

[mike]

Sometimes you need to go backwards before you can go forward. Sacking Madge won’t achieve anything. Culture change takes a long time. Madge sets high standards and that’s exactly what this club needs. For too long we have been happy with mediocrity, Madge isn’t and neither am I.

I'm with you there Mike. The problem is higher than him but unfortunately they won't see themselves as the problem

And we can't do anything about them by the sounds of things. So, round and round we go.

No we don’t go round and round. That would be sacking the coach. Change can come from the top down but it can also come from the bottom up. We need to continue to set high standards for the players until they get it. Those players that can’t, you move them on. Mediocrity will not be accepted.

So by my reckoning we have 4 players worth keeping and we need to move on the rest ...revolving door mate !

Letting the players get away with that performance by sacking the coach is exactly why we are in the current predicament. It breeds poor culture by allowing a lack of player accountability for their performances. That has to stop and now. Do what the coach wants or I’ll see you out the door is what is needed now. This is what all the successful teams do.

Look at how many new players and re- signed players in Maguire’s time at the club between 76-80% how many more turn over of players do you want .He’s not getting them to gel he brought the majority of this players into the side it’s on him he’s not getting the team to improve at all


So you keep turning the players over until you get the right mix. This is not a Maguire issue, it has been going on for a decade where the players were not held responsible, instead it was all on the coach. An easy out for the players.

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You’re digging your heels in with this one ..

I absolutely am. The players need to be held accountable for that dismal display yesterday. If the players are not performing to the standard required then see you later.

 

[earl]

He’s responsible for getting the team prepared and ready and he’s failing at that.

This is my concern. Ivan screwed this club over. His signings were terrible. Madge's signings have in my opinion been pretty good.

The problem is he can't get the team performing.

 

[earl]

Sometimes you need to go backwards before you can go forward. Sacking Madge won’t achieve anything. Culture change takes a long time. Madge sets high standards and that’s exactly what this club needs. For too long we have been happy with mediocrity, Madge isn’t and neither am I.

I'm with you there Mike. The problem is higher than him but unfortunately they won't see themselves as the problem

And we can't do anything about them by the sounds of things. So, round and round we go.

No we don’t go round and round. That would be sacking the coach. Change can come from the top down but it can also come from the bottom up. We need to continue to set high standards for the players until they get it. Those players that can’t, you move them on. Mediocrity will not be accepted.

So by my reckoning we have 4 players worth keeping and we need to move on the rest ...revolving door mate !

Letting the players get away with that performance by sacking the coach is exactly why we are in the current predicament. It breeds poor culture by allowing a lack of player accountability for their performances. That has to stop and now. Do what the coach wants or I’ll see you out the door is what is needed now. This is what all the successful teams do.

Look at how many new players and re- signed players in Maguire’s time at the club between 76-80% how many more turn over of players do you want .He’s not getting them to gel he brought the majority of this players into the side it’s on him he’s not getting the team to improve at all


So you keep turning the players over until you get the right mix. This is not a Maguire issue, it has been going on for a decade where the players were not held responsible, instead it was all on the coach. An easy out for the players.

?
You’re digging your heels in with this one ..


I absolutely am. The players need to be held accountable for that dismal display yesterday. If the players are not performing to the standard required then see you later.

That sounds great but who do you replace them with. We need to make smart rational well thought out decisions. A blanket sack them statement isn't the way you run a professional club.

You do look to improve though.

 

[mike]

Sometimes you need to go backwards before you can go forward. Sacking Madge won’t achieve anything. Culture change takes a long time. Madge sets high standards and that’s exactly what this club needs. For too long we have been happy with mediocrity, Madge isn’t and neither am I.

I'm with you there Mike. The problem is higher than him but unfortunately they won't see themselves as the problem

And we can't do anything about them by the sounds of things. So, round and round we go.

No we don’t go round and round. That would be sacking the coach. Change can come from the top down but it can also come from the bottom up. We need to continue to set high standards for the players until they get it. Those players that can’t, you move them on. Mediocrity will not be accepted.

So by my reckoning we have 4 players worth keeping and we need to move on the rest ...revolving door mate !

Letting the players get away with that performance by sacking the coach is exactly why we are in the current predicament. It breeds poor culture by allowing a lack of player accountability for their performances. That has to stop and now. Do what the coach wants or I’ll see you out the door is what is needed now. This is what all the successful teams do.

Look at how many new players and re- signed players in Maguire’s time at the club between 76-80% how many more turn over of players do you want .He’s not getting them to gel he brought the majority of this players into the side it’s on him he’s not getting the team to improve at all


So you keep turning the players over until you get the right mix. This is not a Maguire issue, it has been going on for a decade where the players were not held responsible, instead it was all on the coach. An easy out for the players.

?
You’re digging your heels in with this one ..


I absolutely am. The players need to be held accountable for that dismal display yesterday. If the players are not performing to the standard required then see you later.

That sounds great but who do you replace them with. We need to make smart rational well thought out decisions. A blanket sack them statement isn't the way you run a professional club.

You do look to improve though.

They need to held accountable. Don't let the inmates get away with rubbish, they are responsible for their own performance, they are supposed professionals. Unfortunately they are acting as amateurs as there is no accountability for their performances. If it takes sacking a few and brining on the juniors early to get it through their heads that that is not acceptable, then so be it.

 

[rihannafan1]

Sometimes you need to go backwards before you can go forward. Sacking Madge won’t achieve anything. Culture change takes a long time. Madge sets high standards and that’s exactly what this club needs. For too long we have been happy with mediocrity, Madge isn’t and neither am I.

I'm with you there Mike. The problem is higher than him but unfortunately they won't see themselves as the problem

And we can't do anything about them by the sounds of things. So, round and round we go.

No we don’t go round and round. That would be sacking the coach. Change can come from the top down but it can also come from the bottom up. We need to continue to set high standards for the players until they get it. Those players that can’t, you move them on. Mediocrity will not be accepted.

So by my reckoning we have 4 players worth keeping and we need to move on the rest ...revolving door mate !

Letting the players get away with that performance by sacking the coach is exactly why we are in the current predicament. It breeds poor culture by allowing a lack of player accountability for their performances. That has to stop and now. Do what the coach wants or I’ll see you out the door is what is needed now. This is what all the successful teams do.

Look at how many new players and re- signed players in Maguire’s time at the club between 76-80% how many more turn over of players do you want .He’s not getting them to gel he brought the majority of this players into the side it’s on him he’s not getting the team to improve at all


So you keep turning the players over until you get the right mix. This is not a Maguire issue, it has been going on for a decade where the players were not held responsible, instead it was all on the coach. An easy out for the players.

This will be his third year though. I do think longevity is good for a coach and staff as it can build identity. Just look at Stuart at the Raiders.

But that effort yday and since the Warriors game last year has stunk. They don't seem to be responding to his coaching and at some point it can't be the players who are at fault.

Perhaps he needs better support from above or in the assistant's box.

Sorry, why can’t it be the players fault? They (most) as individuals, were terrible. Trouble is, with 4 reserves (usually no backs) there is no way to change it during the game.

I mean, Nofo and Jet would have been hooked very early if there was.

Will be interesting to see who is playing next week.

Of course it can be their fault too. As Mike said, sticking by the coach can be a show of strength for the organisation. But if it was the player's fault, time and again, then I have no hope because we have been turning over our roster for 10 years for no change. End of the day, sacking Maguire or a half back won't be the difference. Team building is bigger than that.

 

[earl]

Sometimes you need to go backwards before you can go forward. Sacking Madge won’t achieve anything. Culture change takes a long time. Madge sets high standards and that’s exactly what this club needs. For too long we have been happy with mediocrity, Madge isn’t and neither am I.

I'm with you there Mike. The problem is higher than him but unfortunately they won't see themselves as the problem

And we can't do anything about them by the sounds of things. So, round and round we go.

No we don’t go round and round. That would be sacking the coach. Change can come from the top down but it can also come from the bottom up. We need to continue to set high standards for the players until they get it. Those players that can’t, you move them on. Mediocrity will not be accepted.

So by my reckoning we have 4 players worth keeping and we need to move on the rest ...revolving door mate !

Letting the players get away with that performance by sacking the coach is exactly why we are in the current predicament. It breeds poor culture by allowing a lack of player accountability for their performances. That has to stop and now. Do what the coach wants or I’ll see you out the door is what is needed now. This is what all the successful teams do.

Look at how many new players and re- signed players in Maguire’s time at the club between 76-80% how many more turn over of players do you want .He’s not getting them to gel he brought the majority of this players into the side it’s on him he’s not getting the team to improve at all


So you keep turning the players over until you get the right mix. This is not a Maguire issue, it has been going on for a decade where the players were not held responsible, instead it was all on the coach. An easy out for the players.

?
You’re digging your heels in with this one ..


I absolutely am. The players need to be held accountable for that dismal display yesterday. If the players are not performing to the standard required then see you later.

That sounds great but who do you replace them with. We need to make smart rational well thought out decisions. A blanket sack them statement isn't the way you run a professional club.

You do look to improve though.


They need to held accountable. Don't let the inmates get away with rubbish, they are responsible for their own performance, they are supposed professionals. Unfortunately they are acting as amateurs as there is no accountability for their performances. If it takes sacking a few and brining on the juniors early to get it through their heads that that is not acceptable, then so be it.

It'll get worse and I'm sorry but I expect a club to be professional. We need to go away from reactive decision making.

 

[mike]

Sometimes you need to go backwards before you can go forward. Sacking Madge won’t achieve anything. Culture change takes a long time. Madge sets high standards and that’s exactly what this club needs. For too long we have been happy with mediocrity, Madge isn’t and neither am I.

I'm with you there Mike. The problem is higher than him but unfortunately they won't see themselves as the problem

And we can't do anything about them by the sounds of things. So, round and round we go.

No we don’t go round and round. That would be sacking the coach. Change can come from the top down but it can also come from the bottom up. We need to continue to set high standards for the players until they get it. Those players that can’t, you move them on. Mediocrity will not be accepted.

So by my reckoning we have 4 players worth keeping and we need to move on the rest ...revolving door mate !

Letting the players get away with that performance by sacking the coach is exactly why we are in the current predicament. It breeds poor culture by allowing a lack of player accountability for their performances. That has to stop and now. Do what the coach wants or I’ll see you out the door is what is needed now. This is what all the successful teams do.

Look at how many new players and re- signed players in Maguire’s time at the club between 76-80% how many more turn over of players do you want .He’s not getting them to gel he brought the majority of this players into the side it’s on him he’s not getting the team to improve at all


So you keep turning the players over until you get the right mix. This is not a Maguire issue, it has been going on for a decade where the players were not held responsible, instead it was all on the coach. An easy out for the players.

?
You’re digging your heels in with this one ..


I absolutely am. The players need to be held accountable for that dismal display yesterday. If the players are not performing to the standard required then see you later.

That sounds great but who do you replace them with. We need to make smart rational well thought out decisions. A blanket sack them statement isn't the way you run a professional club.

You do look to improve though.


They need to held accountable. Don't let the inmates get away with rubbish, they are responsible for their own performance, they are supposed professionals. Unfortunately they are acting as amateurs as there is no accountability for their performances. If it takes sacking a few and brining on the juniors early to get it through their heads that that is not acceptable, then so be it.

It'll get worse and I'm sorry but I expect a club to be professional. We need to go away from reactive decision making.

I'd be prepared to take a further hit in the short term to fix the attitude problem.

 

[earl]

But if it was the player’s fault, time and again, then I have no hope because we have been turning over our roster for 10 years for no change. End of the day, sacking Maguire or a half back won’t be the difference. Team building is bigger than that.

Exactly. We need to view this as building a quality team. It's salary cap management, developing quality players and having good structures that are implemented on the field.

I don't think we should sack Madge but it's his job to get this team performing to their ability and we are under performing.

 

[earl]

Sometimes you need to go backwards before you can go forward. Sacking Madge won’t achieve anything. Culture change takes a long time. Madge sets high standards and that’s exactly what this club needs. For too long we have been happy with mediocrity, Madge isn’t and neither am I.

I'm with you there Mike. The problem is higher than him but unfortunately they won't see themselves as the problem

And we can't do anything about them by the sounds of things. So, round and round we go.

No we don’t go round and round. That would be sacking the coach. Change can come from the top down but it can also come from the bottom up. We need to continue to set high standards for the players until they get it. Those players that can’t, you move them on. Mediocrity will not be accepted.

So by my reckoning we have 4 players worth keeping and we need to move on the rest ...revolving door mate !

Letting the players get away with that performance by sacking the coach is exactly why we are in the current predicament. It breeds poor culture by allowing a lack of player accountability for their performances. That has to stop and now. Do what the coach wants or I’ll see you out the door is what is needed now. This is what all the successful teams do.

Look at how many new players and re- signed players in Maguire’s time at the club between 76-80% how many more turn over of players do you want .He’s not getting them to gel he brought the majority of this players into the side it’s on him he’s not getting the team to improve at all


So you keep turning the players over until you get the right mix. This is not a Maguire issue, it has been going on for a decade where the players were not held responsible, instead it was all on the coach. An easy out for the players.

?
You’re digging your heels in with this one ..


I absolutely am. The players need to be held accountable for that dismal display yesterday. If the players are not performing to the standard required then see you later.

That sounds great but who do you replace them with. We need to make smart rational well thought out decisions. A blanket sack them statement isn't the way you run a professional club.

You do look to improve though.


They need to held accountable. Don't let the inmates get away with rubbish, they are responsible for their own performance, they are supposed professionals. Unfortunately they are acting as amateurs as there is no accountability for their performances. If it takes sacking a few and brining on the juniors early to get it through their heads that that is not acceptable, then so be it.

It'll get worse and I'm sorry but I expect a club to be professional. We need to go away from reactive decision making.

I'd be prepared to take a further hit in the short term to fix the attitude problem.

It won't fix an attitude problem but who says it's an attitude problem.

The way I see we are a professional sporting team and attitude isn't why we are losing. It's technical flaws. I mean was Nofo's attitude wrong when he had that bomb taken out of his hands ? I'm sure he was pumped for the game and trying his but off. I'm sure he is hurting today. None of that changes the fact that he didn't jump when he should have.

 

[mike]

Sometimes you need to go backwards before you can go forward. Sacking Madge won’t achieve anything. Culture change takes a long time. Madge sets high standards and that’s exactly what this club needs. For too long we have been happy with mediocrity, Madge isn’t and neither am I.

I'm with you there Mike. The problem is higher than him but unfortunately they won't see themselves as the problem

And we can't do anything about them by the sounds of things. So, round and round we go.

No we don’t go round and round. That would be sacking the coach. Change can come from the top down but it can also come from the bottom up. We need to continue to set high standards for the players until they get it. Those players that can’t, you move them on. Mediocrity will not be accepted.

So by my reckoning we have 4 players worth keeping and we need to move on the rest ...revolving door mate !

Letting the players get away with that performance by sacking the coach is exactly why we are in the current predicament. It breeds poor culture by allowing a lack of player accountability for their performances. That has to stop and now. Do what the coach wants or I’ll see you out the door is what is needed now. This is what all the successful teams do.

Look at how many new players and re- signed players in Maguire’s time at the club between 76-80% how many more turn over of players do you want .He’s not getting them to gel he brought the majority of this players into the side it’s on him he’s not getting the team to improve at all


So you keep turning the players over until you get the right mix. This is not a Maguire issue, it has been going on for a decade where the players were not held responsible, instead it was all on the coach. An easy out for the players.

?
You’re digging your heels in with this one ..


I absolutely am. The players need to be held accountable for that dismal display yesterday. If the players are not performing to the standard required then see you later.

That sounds great but who do you replace them with. We need to make smart rational well thought out decisions. A blanket sack them statement isn't the way you run a professional club.

You do look to improve though.


They need to held accountable. Don't let the inmates get away with rubbish, they are responsible for their own performance, they are supposed professionals. Unfortunately they are acting as amateurs as there is no accountability for their performances. If it takes sacking a few and brining on the juniors early to get it through their heads that that is not acceptable, then so be it.

It'll get worse and I'm sorry but I expect a club to be professional. We need to go away from reactive decision making.

I'd be prepared to take a further hit in the short term to fix the attitude problem.

It won't fix an attitude problem but who says it's an attitude problem.

The way I see we are a professional sporting team and attitude isn't why we are losing. It's technical flaws. I mean was Nofo's attitude wrong when he had that bomb taken out of his hands ? I'm sure he was pumped for the game and trying his but off. I'm sure he is hurting today. None of that changes the fact that he didn't jump when he should have.

The defence yesterday was absolutely an attitude problem.

 

[TigerWest]

Sometimes you need to go backwards before you can go forward. Sacking Madge won’t achieve anything. Culture change takes a long time. Madge sets high standards and that’s exactly what this club needs. For too long we have been happy with mediocrity, Madge isn’t and neither am I.

I'm with you there Mike. The problem is higher than him but unfortunately they won't see themselves as the problem

And we can't do anything about them by the sounds of things. So, round and round we go.

No we don’t go round and round. That would be sacking the coach. Change can come from the top down but it can also come from the bottom up. We need to continue to set high standards for the players until they get it. Those players that can’t, you move them on. Mediocrity will not be accepted.

So by my reckoning we have 4 players worth keeping and we need to move on the rest ...revolving door mate !

Letting the players get away with that performance by sacking the coach is exactly why we are in the current predicament. It breeds poor culture by allowing a lack of player accountability for their performances. That has to stop and now. Do what the coach wants or I’ll see you out the door is what is needed now. This is what all the successful teams do.

Look at how many new players and re- signed players in Maguire’s time at the club between 76-80% how many more turn over of players do you want .He’s not getting them to gel he brought the majority of this players into the side it’s on him he’s not getting the team to improve at all


So you keep turning the players over until you get the right mix. This is not a Maguire issue, it has been going on for a decade where the players were not held responsible, instead it was all on the coach. An easy out for the players.

This will be his third year though. I do think longevity is good for a coach and staff as it can build identity. Just look at Stuart at the Raiders.

But that effort yday and since the Warriors game last year has stunk. They don't seem to be responding to his coaching and at some point it can't be the players who are at fault.

Perhaps he needs better support from above or in the assistant's box.

Sorry, why can’t it be the players fault? They (most) as individuals, were terrible. Trouble is, with 4 reserves (usually no backs) there is no way to change it during the game.

I mean, Nofo and Jet would have been hooked very early if there was.

Will be interesting to see who is playing next week.

Of course it can be their fault too. As Mike said, sticking by the coach can be a show of strength for the organisation. But if it was the player's fault, time and again, then I have no hope because we have been turning over our roster for 10 years for no change. End of the day, sacking Maguire or a half back won't be the difference. Team building is bigger than that.

Agree, but team building does take time, a lot of our signings over the years have been outright duds, an individual can still get his job done.

Look at the current successful clubs, they have continuity in there teams, where if one goes missing (e.g. Easts lost LM, Cordner, Storm lost Slater, Cronk and now Smith), they don’t tend to fall, we don’t have that. Hopefully we are building to it though.

 

[earl]

Sometimes you need to go backwards before you can go forward. Sacking Madge won’t achieve anything. Culture change takes a long time. Madge sets high standards and that’s exactly what this club needs. For too long we have been happy with mediocrity, Madge isn’t and neither am I.

I'm with you there Mike. The problem is higher than him but unfortunately they won't see themselves as the problem

And we can't do anything about them by the sounds of things. So, round and round we go.

No we don’t go round and round. That would be sacking the coach. Change can come from the top down but it can also come from the bottom up. We need to continue to set high standards for the players until they get it. Those players that can’t, you move them on. Mediocrity will not be accepted.

So by my reckoning we have 4 players worth keeping and we need to move on the rest ...revolving door mate !

Letting the players get away with that performance by sacking the coach is exactly why we are in the current predicament. It breeds poor culture by allowing a lack of player accountability for their performances. That has to stop and now. Do what the coach wants or I’ll see you out the door is what is needed now. This is what all the successful teams do.

Look at how many new players and re- signed players in Maguire’s time at the club between 76-80% how many more turn over of players do you want .He’s not getting them to gel he brought the majority of this players into the side it’s on him he’s not getting the team to improve at all


So you keep turning the players over until you get the right mix. This is not a Maguire issue, it has been going on for a decade where the players were not held responsible, instead it was all on the coach. An easy out for the players.

?
You’re digging your heels in with this one ..


I absolutely am. The players need to be held accountable for that dismal display yesterday. If the players are not performing to the standard required then see you later.

That sounds great but who do you replace them with. We need to make smart rational well thought out decisions. A blanket sack them statement isn't the way you run a professional club.

You do look to improve though.


They need to held accountable. Don't let the inmates get away with rubbish, they are responsible for their own performance, they are supposed professionals. Unfortunately they are acting as amateurs as there is no accountability for their performances. If it takes sacking a few and brining on the juniors early to get it through their heads that that is not acceptable, then so be it.

It'll get worse and I'm sorry but I expect a club to be professional. We need to go away from reactive decision making.

I'd be prepared to take a further hit in the short term to fix the attitude problem.

It won't fix an attitude problem but who says it's an attitude problem.

The way I see we are a professional sporting team and attitude isn't why we are losing. It's technical flaws. I mean was Nofo's attitude wrong when he had that bomb taken out of his hands ? I'm sure he was pumped for the game and trying his but off. I'm sure he is hurting today. None of that changes the fact that he didn't jump when he should have.

The defence yesterday was absolutely an attitude problem.

I disagree with your opinion. I see technical flaws rather than poor attitude.

 

[mike]

Sometimes you need to go backwards before you can go forward. Sacking Madge won’t achieve anything. Culture change takes a long time. Madge sets high standards and that’s exactly what this club needs. For too long we have been happy with mediocrity, Madge isn’t and neither am I.

I'm with you there Mike. The problem is higher than him but unfortunately they won't see themselves as the problem

And we can't do anything about them by the sounds of things. So, round and round we go.

No we don’t go round and round. That would be sacking the coach. Change can come from the top down but it can also come from the bottom up. We need to continue to set high standards for the players until they get it. Those players that can’t, you move them on. Mediocrity will not be accepted.

So by my reckoning we have 4 players worth keeping and we need to move on the rest ...revolving door mate !

Letting the players get away with that performance by sacking the coach is exactly why we are in the current predicament. It breeds poor culture by allowing a lack of player accountability for their performances. That has to stop and now. Do what the coach wants or I’ll see you out the door is what is needed now. This is what all the successful teams do.

Look at how many new players and re- signed players in Maguire’s time at the club between 76-80% how many more turn over of players do you want .He’s not getting them to gel he brought the majority of this players into the side it’s on him he’s not getting the team to improve at all


So you keep turning the players over until you get the right mix. This is not a Maguire issue, it has been going on for a decade where the players were not held responsible, instead it was all on the coach. An easy out for the players.

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You’re digging your heels in with this one ..


I absolutely am. The players need to be held accountable for that dismal display yesterday. If the players are not performing to the standard required then see you later.

That sounds great but who do you replace them with. We need to make smart rational well thought out decisions. A blanket sack them statement isn't the way you run a professional club.

You do look to improve though.


They need to held accountable. Don't let the inmates get away with rubbish, they are responsible for their own performance, they are supposed professionals. Unfortunately they are acting as amateurs as there is no accountability for their performances. If it takes sacking a few and brining on the juniors early to get it through their heads that that is not acceptable, then so be it.

It'll get worse and I'm sorry but I expect a club to be professional. We need to go away from reactive decision making.

I'd be prepared to take a further hit in the short term to fix the attitude problem.

It won't fix an attitude problem but who says it's an attitude problem.

The way I see we are a professional sporting team and attitude isn't why we are losing. It's technical flaws. I mean was Nofo's attitude wrong when he had that bomb taken out of his hands ? I'm sure he was pumped for the game and trying his but off. I'm sure he is hurting today. None of that changes the fact that he didn't jump when he should have.

The defence yesterday was absolutely an attitude problem.

I disagree with your opinion. I see technical flaws rather than poor attitude.

Then we disagree.

 

[TigerWest]

Sometimes you need to go backwards before you can go forward. Sacking Madge won’t achieve anything. Culture change takes a long time. Madge sets high standards and that’s exactly what this club needs. For too long we have been happy with mediocrity, Madge isn’t and neither am I.

I'm with you there Mike. The problem is higher than him but unfortunately they won't see themselves as the problem

And we can't do anything about them by the sounds of things. So, round and round we go.

No we don’t go round and round. That would be sacking the coach. Change can come from the top down but it can also come from the bottom up. We need to continue to set high standards for the players until they get it. Those players that can’t, you move them on. Mediocrity will not be accepted.

So by my reckoning we have 4 players worth keeping and we need to move on the rest ...revolving door mate !

Letting the players get away with that performance by sacking the coach is exactly why we are in the current predicament. It breeds poor culture by allowing a lack of player accountability for their performances. That has to stop and now. Do what the coach wants or I’ll see you out the door is what is needed now. This is what all the successful teams do.

Look at how many new players and re- signed players in Maguire’s time at the club between 76-80% how many more turn over of players do you want .He’s not getting them to gel he brought the majority of this players into the side it’s on him he’s not getting the team to improve at all


So you keep turning the players over until you get the right mix. This is not a Maguire issue, it has been going on for a decade where the players were not held responsible, instead it was all on the coach. An easy out for the players.

?
You’re digging your heels in with this one ..


I absolutely am. The players need to be held accountable for that dismal display yesterday. If the players are not performing to the standard required then see you later.

That sounds great but who do you replace them with. We need to make smart rational well thought out decisions. A blanket sack them statement isn't the way you run a professional club.

You do look to improve though.


They need to held accountable. Don't let the inmates get away with rubbish, they are responsible for their own performance, they are supposed professionals. Unfortunately they are acting as amateurs as there is no accountability for their performances. If it takes sacking a few and brining on the juniors early to get it through their heads that that is not acceptable, then so be it.

It'll get worse and I'm sorry but I expect a club to be professional. We need to go away from reactive decision making.

I'd be prepared to take a further hit in the short term to fix the attitude problem.

It won't fix an attitude problem but who says it's an attitude problem.

The way I see we are a professional sporting team and attitude isn't why we are losing. It's technical flaws. I mean was Nofo's attitude wrong when he had that bomb taken out of his hands ? I'm sure he was pumped for the game and trying his but off. I'm sure he is hurting today. None of that changes the fact that he didn't jump when he should have.

So why didn’t he jump?

 

[rihannafan1]

But if it was the player’s fault, time and again, then I have no hope because we have been turning over our roster for 10 years for no change. End of the day, sacking Maguire or a half back won’t be the difference. Team building is bigger than that.

Exactly. We need to view this as building a quality team. It's salary cap management, developing quality players and having good structures that are implemented on the field.

I don't think we should sack Madge but it's his job to get this team performing to their ability and we are under performing.

It's a tough one. Damned if you do and don't. But I still feel the club is making steps in the right direction overall. They need to continue recruiting the way they are as their reserve depth and juniors show promise, we have the COE and clearly we are investing much more money into running the team. Being reactionary, as the media would like us to be, would be a disaster. Lee and the rest need to resist that urge today.

 

[CarltonDry]

We can't sack Madge. There is no one better out there and even if there were, why would they want to come to us?

Geoff Toovey

Surely you jest ?‍♂️

 

[Madge]

Said it few weeks ago, no depth in attack and to structured, every Team has an attack and defensive coach, but Madge would oversee, so overall he is responsible. All the Top Teams have adjusted to the new rules, and speed of the game, not us. Event ST G Illawarra when using a power game, ran hard and tackled hard. Big Problems in Tigertown

Madge did say in his presser that we had no depth in attack so I doubt it’s a coaching issue, he’s recognised it now needs to fix it.

 

[earl]

It’s a tough one. Damned if you do and don’t. But I still feel the club is making steps in the right direction overall. They need to continue recruiting the way they are as their reserve depth and juniors show promise, we have the COE and clearly we are investing much more money into running the team. Being reactionary, as the media would like us to be, would be a disaster. Lee and the rest need to resist that urge today.

I don't want to see reactionary movements from the club anymore. We will end up with Cleary type signings and they don't work.