Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[TigerWest]

Well, I don't think (if true) that, that was a place or time to discuss it either, however they did turn it around a bit in the second half

I didn't want to do the whole "anonymous source" thing, but it's so frustrating to watch.

I have a very good source saying that there were huge issues last year with senior players disagreeing with him, questioning him on the handling of things etc This is why players left. There were high hopes that things would change but apparently they haven't.

I'm not sure about Tamou, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Cheers, yes there was issues "egg shells" and the board backed Madge, but what players left?

Those that left were not re-signed as far as I knew? Not aware of anyone being sacked?

 

[Geo]

Well, I don't think (if true) that, that was a place or time to discuss it either, however they did turn it around a bit in the second half

I didn't want to do the whole "anonymous source" thing, but it's so frustrating to watch.

I have a very good source saying that there were huge issues last year with senior players disagreeing with him, questioning him on the handling of things etc This is why players left. There were high hopes that things would change but apparently they haven't.

I'm not sure about Tamou, but it wouldn't surprise me.

What things exactly..that's a pretty broad statement..

 

[avocadoontoast]

So your solution, if a coach can’t improve the side’s ladder position after an average first season, is to punt the coach in the third season?

Pretty much. It's quite obvious we're heading backwards, not forwards. There has been no progress, no improvement. He can't get us competing.

Haha good luck to the next bloke then. He gets 1 year's grace to take over from Madge, 1 legitimate year where he is measured, gets cut start of the third year if not surpassing the 2nd year inside 5 rounds.

You do recall of course, last time we course-corrected the coach in the first few rounds of his third year, all our best players left?

Do you really think he's a drawcard as a coach? We haven't really made any big signings since he's arrived - I don't think replacing him would harm our recruitment in any way. Additionally, objectively looking at our performances do you think we are heading in the right direction on the field? If not, what is the catalyst to turn it around? It appears to me as though things are getting worse and he has no answers to any of the questions.

 

[cochise]

Well, I don't think (if true) that, that was a place or time to discuss it either, however they did turn it around a bit in the second half

I didn't want to do the whole "anonymous source" thing, but it's so frustrating to watch.

I have a very good source saying that there were huge issues last year with senior players disagreeing with him, questioning him on the handling of things etc This is why players left. There were high hopes that things would change but apparently they haven't.

I'm not sure about Tamou, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Cheers, yes there was issues "egg shells" and the board backed Madge, but what players left?

Those that left were not re-signed as far as I knew? Not aware of anyone being sacked?

Only player that "left" was Aloiai, the others weren't resigned.

 

[Devon Head]

Of those who left/weren't offered new deals the only one I miss is McIntyre. Don't think he's had a game yet this season with Titans, he'd easily be in our best 17 atm. At least he gave his all when he ran out.

 

[mike]

Well, I don't think (if true) that, that was a place or time to discuss it either, however they did turn it around a bit in the second half

I didn't want to do the whole "anonymous source" thing, but it's so frustrating to watch.

I have a very good source saying that there were huge issues last year with senior players disagreeing with him, questioning him on the handling of things etc This is why players left. There were high hopes that things would change but apparently they haven't.

I'm not sure about Tamou, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Cheers, yes there was issues "egg shells" and the board backed Madge, but what players left?

Those that left were not re-signed as far as I knew? Not aware of anyone being sacked?

Only player that "left" was Aloiai, the others weren't resigned.

Ah yes the lawn mowing man.

 

[Bigscreentv]

I have a very good source saying that there were huge issues last year with senior players disagreeing with him, questioning him on the handling of things etc This is why players left. There were high hopes that things would change but apparently they haven't.

I'm not sure about Tamou, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Cheers, yes there was issues "egg shells" and the board backed Madge, but what players left?

Those that left were not re-signed as far as I knew? Not aware of anyone being sacked?

It's going back a while, but Ryan Matterson, josh Aloiai.

There was hope Tamao was going to bring the leadership to help steer the club back on course. I hope there wasn't a blow up yesterday.

 

[cochise]

So your solution, if a coach can’t improve the side’s ladder position after an average first season, is to punt the coach in the third season?

Pretty much. It's quite obvious we're heading backwards, not forwards. There has been no progress, no improvement. He can't get us competing.

Haha good luck to the next bloke then. He gets 1 year's grace to take over from Madge, 1 legitimate year where he is measured, gets cut start of the third year if not surpassing the 2nd year inside 5 rounds.

You do recall of course, last time we course-corrected the coach in the first few rounds of his third year, all our best players left?

Do you really think he's a drawcard as a coach? We haven't really made any big signings since he's arrived - I don't think replacing him would harm our recruitment in any way. Additionally, objectively looking at our performances do you think we are heading in the right direction on the field? If not, what is the catalyst to turn it around? It appears to me as though things are getting worse and he has no answers to any of the questions.

We are in a lot of trouble if we can't make this work with Madge, what coach of any standing or with any ambition is going to come here if we sack Madge?

 

[cochise]

I have a very good source saying that there were huge issues last year with senior players disagreeing with him, questioning him on the handling of things etc This is why players left. There were high hopes that things would change but apparently they haven't.

I'm not sure about Tamou, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Cheers, yes there was issues "egg shells" and the board backed Madge, but what players left?

Those that left were not re-signed as far as I knew? Not aware of anyone being sacked?

It's going back a while, but Ryan Matterson, josh Aloiai.

There was hope Tamao was going to bring the leadership to help steer the club back on course. I hope there wasn't a blow up yesterday.

Josh Aloiai is a grub of the highest order, I hope you are not another one of his mate on here trying to defend him again.

 

[mike]

So your solution, if a coach can’t improve the side’s ladder position after an average first season, is to punt the coach in the third season?

Pretty much. It's quite obvious we're heading backwards, not forwards. There has been no progress, no improvement. He can't get us competing.

Haha good luck to the next bloke then. He gets 1 year's grace to take over from Madge, 1 legitimate year where he is measured, gets cut start of the third year if not surpassing the 2nd year inside 5 rounds.

You do recall of course, last time we course-corrected the coach in the first few rounds of his third year, all our best players left?

Do you really think he's a drawcard as a coach? We haven't really made any big signings since he's arrived - I don't think replacing him would harm our recruitment in any way. Additionally, objectively looking at our performances do you think we are heading in the right direction on the field? If not, what is the catalyst to turn it around? It appears to me as though things are getting worse and he has no answers to any of the questions.

We are in a lot of trouble if we can't make this work with Madge, what coach of any standing or with any ambition is going to come here if we sack Madge?

Absolutely no one.

 

[cochise]

So your solution, if a coach can’t improve the side’s ladder position after an average first season, is to punt the coach in the third season?

Pretty much. It's quite obvious we're heading backwards, not forwards. There has been no progress, no improvement. He can't get us competing.

Haha good luck to the next bloke then. He gets 1 year's grace to take over from Madge, 1 legitimate year where he is measured, gets cut start of the third year if not surpassing the 2nd year inside 5 rounds.

You do recall of course, last time we course-corrected the coach in the first few rounds of his third year, all our best players left?

Do you really think he's a drawcard as a coach? We haven't really made any big signings since he's arrived - I don't think replacing him would harm our recruitment in any way. Additionally, objectively looking at our performances do you think we are heading in the right direction on the field? If not, what is the catalyst to turn it around? It appears to me as though things are getting worse and he has no answers to any of the questions.

We are in a lot of trouble if we can't make this work with Madge, what coach of any standing or with any ambition is going to come here if we sack Madge?

Absolutely no one.

That is why we need to put the support in around him to make this work.

 

[avocadoontoast]

So your solution, if a coach can’t improve the side’s ladder position after an average first season, is to punt the coach in the third season?

Pretty much. It's quite obvious we're heading backwards, not forwards. There has been no progress, no improvement. He can't get us competing.

Haha good luck to the next bloke then. He gets 1 year's grace to take over from Madge, 1 legitimate year where he is measured, gets cut start of the third year if not surpassing the 2nd year inside 5 rounds.

You do recall of course, last time we course-corrected the coach in the first few rounds of his third year, all our best players left?

Do you really think he's a drawcard as a coach? We haven't really made any big signings since he's arrived - I don't think replacing him would harm our recruitment in any way. Additionally, objectively looking at our performances do you think we are heading in the right direction on the field? If not, what is the catalyst to turn it around? It appears to me as though things are getting worse and he has no answers to any of the questions.

We are in a lot of trouble if we can't make this work with Madge, what coach of any standing or with any ambition is going to come here if we sack Madge?

I don't rate him as high as others. I think the game has evolved and I don't believe he's evolved with it. I hope i'm wrong but I can't see this ending well.

 

[Furious1]

Whats Neil Henry doing? Is he assisting somewhere? Has a good rep for tactics.

 

[mike]

So your solution, if a coach can’t improve the side’s ladder position after an average first season, is to punt the coach in the third season?

Pretty much. It's quite obvious we're heading backwards, not forwards. There has been no progress, no improvement. He can't get us competing.

Haha good luck to the next bloke then. He gets 1 year's grace to take over from Madge, 1 legitimate year where he is measured, gets cut start of the third year if not surpassing the 2nd year inside 5 rounds.

You do recall of course, last time we course-corrected the coach in the first few rounds of his third year, all our best players left?

Do you really think he's a drawcard as a coach? We haven't really made any big signings since he's arrived - I don't think replacing him would harm our recruitment in any way. Additionally, objectively looking at our performances do you think we are heading in the right direction on the field? If not, what is the catalyst to turn it around? It appears to me as though things are getting worse and he has no answers to any of the questions.

We are in a lot of trouble if we can't make this work with Madge, what coach of any standing or with any ambition is going to come here if we sack Madge?

Absolutely no one.

That is why we need to put the support in around him to make this work.

? we do. It has to work or we might as well pack up the club and say goodbye. This is a watershed moment for sure.

 

[cochise]

So your solution, if a coach can’t improve the side’s ladder position after an average first season, is to punt the coach in the third season?

Pretty much. It's quite obvious we're heading backwards, not forwards. There has been no progress, no improvement. He can't get us competing.

Haha good luck to the next bloke then. He gets 1 year's grace to take over from Madge, 1 legitimate year where he is measured, gets cut start of the third year if not surpassing the 2nd year inside 5 rounds.

You do recall of course, last time we course-corrected the coach in the first few rounds of his third year, all our best players left?

Do you really think he's a drawcard as a coach? We haven't really made any big signings since he's arrived - I don't think replacing him would harm our recruitment in any way. Additionally, objectively looking at our performances do you think we are heading in the right direction on the field? If not, what is the catalyst to turn it around? It appears to me as though things are getting worse and he has no answers to any of the questions.

We are in a lot of trouble if we can't make this work with Madge, what coach of any standing or with any ambition is going to come here if we sack Madge?

I don't rate him as high as others. I think the game has evolved and I don't believe he's evolved with it. I hope i'm wrong but I can't see this ending well.

I have had concerns about Madge for a long time, I think he has a style he likes to play and expects his squad to adapt to that style and is unable to adapt his style to suit the squad. I think the new rules have made his style less effective as well.

The problem is we have a history of turning over coaches and having coaches come here to see their career die, so we need to put the support in around Madge to make this work as we will not attract a quality coach and will be left gambling on another rookie and we can't afford to gamble.

 

[Bigscreentv]

Well, I don't think (if true) that, that was a place or time to discuss it either, however they did turn it around a bit in the second half

I didn't want to do the whole "anonymous source" thing, but it's so frustrating to watch.

I have a very good source saying that there were huge issues last year with senior players disagreeing with him, questioning him on the handling of things etc This is why players left. There were high hopes that things would change but apparently they haven't.

I'm not sure about Tamou, but it wouldn't surprise me.

What things exactly..that's a pretty broad statement..

I know it's broad, which is why I was in two minds about saying it. I'm just frustrated though as after watching the game on the weekend it's obvious that the team doesn't play for him.

The major issue I heard what that there isn't clear communication, players are often confused, left in the dark. On top of this, the training is ridiculously hard, but geared towards a game plan that they don't believe in.

Then when things don't go to plan, they get worked even harder. Thats a tough spot to be in as a player.

There were incidents where players spoke up about this, and it didn't go down well.

I'm not going to say any more as I can't verify the source. I'm not friends with Aloiai, just a frustrated fan wanting the best for the team.

 

[Devon Head]

So your solution, if a coach can’t improve the side’s ladder position after an average first season, is to punt the coach in the third season?

Pretty much. It's quite obvious we're heading backwards, not forwards. There has been no progress, no improvement. He can't get us competing.

Haha good luck to the next bloke then. He gets 1 year's grace to take over from Madge, 1 legitimate year where he is measured, gets cut start of the third year if not surpassing the 2nd year inside 5 rounds.

You do recall of course, last time we course-corrected the coach in the first few rounds of his third year, all our best players left?

Do you really think he's a drawcard as a coach? We haven't really made any big signings since he's arrived - I don't think replacing him would harm our recruitment in any way. Additionally, objectively looking at our performances do you think we are heading in the right direction on the field? If not, what is the catalyst to turn it around? It appears to me as though things are getting worse and he has no answers to any of the questions.

We are in a lot of trouble if we can't make this work with Madge, what coach of any standing or with any ambition is going to come here if we sack Madge?

I don't rate him as high as others. I think the game has evolved and I don't believe he's evolved with it. I hope i'm wrong but I can't see this ending well.

I have had concerns about Madge for a long time, I think he has a style he likes to play and expects his squad to adapt to that style and is unable to adapt his style to suit the squad. I think the new rules have made his style less effective as well.

The problem is we have a history of turning over coaches and having coaches come here to see their career die, so we need to put the support in around Madge to make this work as we will not attract a quality coach and will be left gambling on another rookie and we can't afford to gamble.

Also can't afford to go through another rebuild that'll take years to achieve only to sack another coach before results begin to turn.

 

[cochise]

So your solution, if a coach can’t improve the side’s ladder position after an average first season, is to punt the coach in the third season?

Pretty much. It's quite obvious we're heading backwards, not forwards. There has been no progress, no improvement. He can't get us competing.

Haha good luck to the next bloke then. He gets 1 year's grace to take over from Madge, 1 legitimate year where he is measured, gets cut start of the third year if not surpassing the 2nd year inside 5 rounds.

You do recall of course, last time we course-corrected the coach in the first few rounds of his third year, all our best players left?

Do you really think he's a drawcard as a coach? We haven't really made any big signings since he's arrived - I don't think replacing him would harm our recruitment in any way. Additionally, objectively looking at our performances do you think we are heading in the right direction on the field? If not, what is the catalyst to turn it around? It appears to me as though things are getting worse and he has no answers to any of the questions.

We are in a lot of trouble if we can't make this work with Madge, what coach of any standing or with any ambition is going to come here if we sack Madge?

I don't rate him as high as others. I think the game has evolved and I don't believe he's evolved with it. I hope i'm wrong but I can't see this ending well.

I have had concerns about Madge for a long time, I think he has a style he likes to play and expects his squad to adapt to that style and is unable to adapt his style to suit the squad. I think the new rules have made his style less effective as well.

The problem is we have a history of turning over coaches and having coaches come here to see their career die, so we need to put the support in around Madge to make this work as we will not attract a quality coach and will be left gambling on another rookie and we can't afford to gamble.

Also can't afford to go through another rebuild that'll take years to achieve only to sack another coach before results begin to turn.

Yeah mate agree, lets put in some top quality assistants, someone that can gameplan in the modern game. Surround him with people who are strong where he is weak. Allow him to use his strengths and have support for his weaknesses.

 

[avocadoontoast]

So your solution, if a coach can’t improve the side’s ladder position after an average first season, is to punt the coach in the third season?

Pretty much. It's quite obvious we're heading backwards, not forwards. There has been no progress, no improvement. He can't get us competing.

Haha good luck to the next bloke then. He gets 1 year's grace to take over from Madge, 1 legitimate year where he is measured, gets cut start of the third year if not surpassing the 2nd year inside 5 rounds.

You do recall of course, last time we course-corrected the coach in the first few rounds of his third year, all our best players left?

Do you really think he's a drawcard as a coach? We haven't really made any big signings since he's arrived - I don't think replacing him would harm our recruitment in any way. Additionally, objectively looking at our performances do you think we are heading in the right direction on the field? If not, what is the catalyst to turn it around? It appears to me as though things are getting worse and he has no answers to any of the questions.

We are in a lot of trouble if we can't make this work with Madge, what coach of any standing or with any ambition is going to come here if we sack Madge?

I don't rate him as high as others. I think the game has evolved and I don't believe he's evolved with it. I hope i'm wrong but I can't see this ending well.

I have had concerns about Madge for a long time, I think he has a style he likes to play and expects his squad to adapt to that style and is unable to adapt his style to suit the squad. I think the new rules have made his style less effective as well.

The problem is we have a history of turning over coaches and having coaches come here to see their career die, so we need to put the support in around Madge to make this work as we will not attract a quality coach and will be left gambling on another rookie and we can't afford to gamble.

Yep we've got a bad history with coaches, but I don't see the point of dragging something out for 2 more years when it just isn't working. I think keeping him at the helm for another two years is just as big of a gamble.

 

[Bigscreentv]

the rumour going round is Tamou confronted Madge in dressing room at half time about how wrong the game plan was and they had a blow up, hence why Tamou didnt play any of the 2nd half

Tick tock on the Madge clock *if correct*

Absolutely ridiculous if true.

Do any of you honestly believe its Madge's game plan for

* Slow line Speed,
* Pedestrian defence,
* Zero Scramble,
* No repeat sets,
* Misplaced bombs, perhaps there was an instruction to reduce offloads.

Lets face it OUR Tigers have been the Easy beats for the largest part of 20 years.

We are soft and not a club that many players would aspire to join unless they look for easy money and plenty of holidays.

**I am sick of the club that i love as much as life itself being ridiculed.**

We need this coach with a hard work and discipline first approach, it is our only way out of this mess.

No doubt - hard work is key, as is discipline. The coach has that approach, but unfortunately the players aren't responding. The question is why? who knows.

I love the club too - I want it to work out, just flagging I think it's a tough road ahead.