Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[Tim Sheens]

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/the-numbers-that-show-why-maguire-is-in-the-crosshairs-at-tigers-20210425-p57m9o.html

Not looking good for him

Great article, just proves Madge had no man manager skills, and is still stuck in 2014, those results are horrendous, time to go I am afraid

After reading pages of many attacking Benji, it seems to me that a lot have skipped over the following 3 of the first 4 paragraphs, with the other being about the normal grace period applied, to focus on him.

"Michael Maguire equalled Jason Taylor on Sunday as the second-longest serving coach in Wests Tigers history. His record is now **worse**.

In his 51 games as Wests Tigers coach, Maguire has won just 19 at a rate of 37.3 per cent. Even Taylor, who was sacked just three rounds into the 2017 season in the hope of keeping the now defunct big four, had a better record.

In Maguire’s last 51 games in charge of a star-studded Rabbitohs side, his success rate was **even worse** (18 wins) than it is now at the Wests Tigers."

 

[KingRobbie]

Madge has done plenty of good off the field but hasn't translated into results. Got rid of a lot of the deadwood, freed up a lot of salary cap, signed quite a few promising rookies.

Bugger has had the same issues as every other coach we've had the last decade, can't get the players to give a crap when they're on the field

I don’t know whether it’s because he’s the NZ coach but we do have way too many Polynesian in our squad... always have IMO. Lacking in strategy and smarts in both D & A. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again....
How many premierships have the NZ warriors won??
Kind of didn’t help when we signed a former warriors coach either just quietly.

Racist pig.

Get off the forum.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

People really have the blinkers on in regard to the quality of this side atm. We have a 19 and 20 year old in our spine with less than 10 FG games between them and with a new half/ 5/8th combo led by a player who consistently doesn't rise to the occasion.
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It is not that our 'inexperienced' players failed, it is (as always) our 'experienced' players that gave up only after 20 minutes!
Tamou, Ofahengaue, Roberts, Brooks, Musgrove, Mbye, Chee-Kam, Noofoaluma were again outplayed by our 'rookies' Utoikemanu, Simpkin and Laurie!

 

[turkeytiger03]

Madge has done plenty of good off the field but hasn't translated into results. Got rid of a lot of the deadwood, freed up a lot of salary cap, signed quite a few promising rookies.

Bugger has had the same issues as every other coach we've had the last decade, can't get the players to give a crap when they're on the field

I don’t know whether it’s because he’s the NZ coach but we do have way ***too many Polynesian in our squad... always have IMO. Lacking in strategy and smarts*** in both D & A. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again....
How many premierships have the NZ warriors won??
Kind of didn’t help when we signed a former warriors coach either just quietly.


That is a pretty flat out racist thing to say frankly.

It’s just the quota that I’m banging on about. I’m no racist thank you

 

[jadtiger]

Madge has done plenty of good off the field but hasn't translated into results. Got rid of a lot of the deadwood, freed up a lot of salary cap, signed quite a few promising rookies.

Bugger has had the same issues as every other coach we've had the last decade, can't get the players to give a crap when they're on the field

I don’t know whether it’s because he’s the NZ coach but we do have way too many Polynesian in our squad... always have IMO. Lacking in strategy and smarts in both D & A. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again....
How many premierships have the NZ warriors won??
Kind of didn’t help when we signed a former warriors coach either just quietly.

I didnt downvote you but that really is an offensive racist comment it is also totally wrong

 

[Tiger5150]

Madge has done plenty of good off the field but hasn't translated into results. Got rid of a lot of the deadwood, freed up a lot of salary cap, signed quite a few promising rookies.

Bugger has had the same issues as every other coach we've had the last decade, can't get the players to give a crap when they're on the field

I don’t know whether it’s because he’s the NZ coach but we do have way ***too many Polynesian in our squad... always have IMO. Lacking in strategy and smarts*** in both D & A. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again....
How many premierships have the NZ warriors won??
Kind of didn’t help when we signed a former warriors coach either just quietly.


That is a pretty flat out racist thing to say frankly.

It’s just the quota that I’m banging on about. I’m no racist thank you

To suggest that someone "lacks the smarts" because they are of a particular race is simply flat out racist. If you are "banging on" about the quota of Polynesians we have, because we have too many and they "lack the strategy and smarts"........you ARE a racist.

 

[The_Patriot]

I have no issue with the quality of the roster. It's an improving roster who we can add to in the next couple of years.

At this point in time the quality is there to make the 8.

Just can't cop the squad quality excuse.

It's as clear as day it's disconnect between the coach and the playing group.

 

[Guest]

Madge has done plenty of good off the field but hasn't translated into results. Got rid of a lot of the deadwood, freed up a lot of salary cap, signed quite a few promising rookies.

Bugger has had the same issues as every other coach we've had the last decade, can't get the players to give a crap when they're on the field

I don’t know whether it’s because he’s the NZ coach but we do have way too many Polynesian in our squad... always have IMO. Lacking in strategy and smarts in both D & A. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again....
How many premierships have the NZ warriors won??
Kind of didn’t help when we signed a former warriors coach either just quietly.

Racist remarks such as this have no place on this forum, and neither do you.

 

[Tiger5150]

I have no issue with the quality of the roster. It's an improving roster who we can add to in the next couple of years.

At this point in time the quality is there to make the 8.

Just can't cop the squad quality excuse.

It's as clear as day it's disconnect between the coach and the playing group.

I agree with this. I have said many times I think this is a better roster than last year. Possibly in hindsight our centres are poor. I always expected this year to be a transition year and not necessarily a successful year, but there is something else at play here. Something is wrong.

 

[tony soprano]

Madge has done plenty of good off the field but hasn't translated into results. Got rid of a lot of the deadwood, freed up a lot of salary cap, signed quite a few promising rookies.

Bugger has had the same issues as every other coach we've had the last decade, can't get the players to give a crap when they're on the field

I don’t know whether it’s because he’s the NZ coach but we do have way ***too many Polynesian in our squad... always have IMO. Lacking in strategy and smarts*** in both D & A. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again....
How many premierships have the NZ warriors won??
Kind of didn’t help when we signed a former warriors coach either just quietly.


That is a pretty flat out racist thing to say frankly.

It’s just the quota that I’m banging on about. I’m no racist thank you


To suggest that someone "lacks the smarts" because they are of a particular race is simply flat out racist. If you are "banging on" about the quota of Polynesians we have, because we have too many and they "lack the strategy and smarts"........you ARE a racist.

Yep

 

[tony soprano]

Anyone have access to Brent read article

 

[Telltails]

I have no issue with the quality of the roster. It's an improving roster who we can add to in the next couple of years.

At this point in time the quality is there to make the 8.

Just can't cop the squad quality excuse.

It's as clear as day it's disconnect between the coach and the playing group.

Nothing else

Plenty of room for growth but not top 8 this year with or without Maguire imo.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

our squad is ok its just Maguire and his methods have lost the group, we have some handy players we should be doing better than we are

 

[TillLindemann]

Really can't argue with those win ratio figures for the last 4 years... Absolutely putrid and there is no sign anywhere of improvement

Players walking
No desperation
Leaving dirty work.to a team.mate
No direction or organisation
Looks like the players have decided
It's clear as day

And yet his win record over his career is quite good, better in fact than our previous coaches. There's something rotten in the club and I don't think yet another coach is the solution. But I guess we'll find out.

 

[Ultimate Warrior]

Madge has done plenty of good off the field but hasn't translated into results. Got rid of a lot of the deadwood, freed up a lot of salary cap, signed quite a few promising rookies.

Bugger has had the same issues as every other coach we've had the last decade, can't get the players to give a crap when they're on the field

I don’t know whether it’s because he’s the NZ coach but we do have way too many Polynesian in our squad... always have IMO. Lacking in strategy and smarts in both D & A. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again....
How many premierships have the NZ warriors won??
Kind of didn’t help when we signed a former warriors coach either just quietly.

Racist remarks such as this have no place on this forum, and neither do you.

100%.

That’s disgusting.

 

[happy_tiger]

Our salary cap has space for two marque players, four if you take Mbye and Packer out of it. Take Tom out of Manly today and that game plays out very differently (yep an excuse I get it

It doesn't really matter who we buy if they come into Madge's broken system.

Its not Madges broken system,its the clubs bickering and trying to be one better than the other...ok Wests Ashfield own about 80% of WestsTigers give or take,if they let people they employ do their job without factional interference which has gone on since day 1 of our imalgamation and treated it as a business from the start,maybe we would be in a far better position than we are now,the old boys club were in charge for years,jobs for friends and mates,bring back Benji after he got the craps,bring back Farah after he got the craps etc etc...
Madge has had a mountain to climb,if you fanboys of getting rid of Madge stop and think what really is the root cause of our problems then maybe you should give Madge some credit for at least trying to sort the rabble out and bring it into a positive perspective...
he is giving youth a go,he is trying to do the best he can with what he has....as far as the players saying that he is to hard,hello its the NRL and you play the whole 80 minutes,otherwise find another sport.its a hard game,rewarded by hard work...coach may not get the results he wants,but maybe the players dont earn the pay they demand.....

Do I smell some anti Wests sentiment

So much for the Wests v Balmain issues being gone

Maybe they were just buried ......lurking ...waiting

 

[jrtiger]

our squad is ok its just Maguire and his methods have lost the group, we have some handy players we should be doing better than we are

I agree. I think apart from our edges and our halfback our squad is far better than some think. Yes our depth in the back row is concerning, but our pack can match it with anyone IF (key word if) they turn up. Laurie, Doueihi and Simpkin will form 75% of a premier spine within 2 years and if we can make the right signings with our edge players we'll be fine. I really don't think they're playing for Madge anymore, the message just isn't getting across and it seems as if his style is quickly becoming outdated.

 

[jirskyr]

We have a young team with centres who can’t defend compounded by being a second rower short. We then started the season against very strong clubs. We now are down on confidence.

Our salary cap has space for two marque players, four if you take Mbye and Packer out of it. Take Tom out of Manly today and that game plays out very differently (yep an excuse I get it)

Add four (?) marque players and we would perform significantly better.

I hear you all about concerns about sacking Madge and I am getting closer to that view each week, however until I hear that there is a better alternative to Madge... or Brooks... or Robert’s... then I’m not sure the ‘sacking’ will fix anything.

In Madges favour we have recruited better than ever. Our lower grades are stronger than ever. Our future salary cap has more potential than ever. We have some genuine young guns.

What I don’t know is if Madge can get the team consistently believing in themselves.

Do you think Maguire can recruit marquee players? He hasn’t been able to manage it to date. At this rate I don’t quite understand how we spend our salary cap next year. We have a wonderful young crop coming though the lower grades and the starting players we have are generally very good value signings. I’m just not sure with Madge we can attract 4 superstars even if we have the cash because if you are that good you want to play for a top 6 team



Do you honestly believe it is Madge who cant get them here or is it the club themselves who cant get them to come?

Well that's the problem right, which of our all-time coaches has been bringing in elite signings?

 

[jirskyr]

The club has not asked why could we not keep quality? How many quality Penrith juniors leave the club?

Daine Laurie
Matt Burton
Kaide Ellis
Wayde Egan
Waqa Blake
RCG
Tyrone Peachey
Blake Austin
Luke Lewis
Wade Graham
Frank Pritchard
Paul Whatuira

Penrith leak lots of juniors, they have a very large catchment.

Also Marty Taupau isn't a Tigers junior, nor is JAC. Fifita technically also isn't a Tigers junior as he was picked up to join NYC from Griffith.

Penrith are leading the comp and undefeated, big difference, we are unco and defeated

That's not the point, the point is the OP said Penrith don't lose juniors. They do, of course, but their nursery is big and they've eventually managed to overcome those losses.

That being said however, Lewis and Graham were in the backbone of the Sharks 2016 premiership, when Panthers were knocked out.

 

[jadtiger]

We have a young team with centres who can’t defend compounded by being a second rower short. We then started the season against very strong clubs. We now are down on confidence.

Our salary cap has space for two marque players, four if you take Mbye and Packer out of it. Take Tom out of Manly today and that game plays out very differently (yep an excuse I get it)

Add four (?) marque players and we would perform significantly better.

I hear you all about concerns about sacking Madge and I am getting closer to that view each week, however until I hear that there is a better alternative to Madge... or Brooks... or Robert’s... then I’m not sure the ‘sacking’ will fix anything.

In Madges favour we have recruited better than ever. Our lower grades are stronger than ever. Our future salary cap has more potential than ever. We have some genuine young guns.

What I don’t know is if Madge can get the team consistently believing in themselves.

Do you think Maguire can recruit marquee players? He hasn’t been able to manage it to date. At this rate I don’t quite understand how we spend our salary cap next year. We have a wonderful young crop coming though the lower grades and the starting players we have are generally very good value signings. I’m just not sure with Madge we can attract 4 superstars even if we have the cash because if you are that good you want to play for a top 6 team



Do you honestly believe it is Madge who cant get them here or is it the club themselves who cant get them to come?

Well that's the problem right, which of our all-time coaches has been bringing in elite signings?

The last elite signing we made imo was Ellis and he only came because "buckets" O'Neill got in his ear.