Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[Tigers79]

It's so black and white for fans - but no coach drops all the senior players because he will immediately alienate them create division, and put more pressure on the young players to perform. If they fail, their confidence gets knocked and the coach wears the blame.
We have players that need to be moved on, but mass droppings during a season never works and only creates drama for the press to feed on.

He doesnt have to drop all senior players , just the non performing ones ( which we all know whom they are ) . There is already division due to players not being held accountable for their performances ( this lies with Madge ).


In regards to you saying 'creates drama for press to feed on ' ... how is this different to what is already happening??

The press is feeding on our carcass now, there isnt much more left for them to feed on !!!!

Apart from Brooks atm which senior players are performing?

Youve picked one, Im sure you can pick the other 1 or 2 !!!
But as I said before, its not about looking at performing players , its dropping the non performing players

But we arent the coach so im not going down that rabbit hole..cause its just a matter of opinion at the end of the day !!

 

[The_Patriot]

It's so black and white for fans - but no coach drops all the senior players because he will immediately alienate them create division, and put more pressure on the young players to perform. If they fail, their confidence gets knocked and the coach wears the blame.
We have players that need to be moved on, but mass droppings during a season never works and only creates drama for the press to feed on.

As opposed to the drama the media is feeding on already?

No one is calling for mass sackings by the way. Just a couple of the big names to send a message to the playing group.

Dropping your Liddle's, Simpkins and Stefano's does bugger all.

Stefano and Simpkins have been blooded like all young players that happens at all clubs. The last thing they need is to be hammered in FG at this point of their careers. They will get their opportunity.

That's exactly right, they have been blooded like most promising rookies are.

But underperforming senior players at clubs coached by top coaches get dropped when they need to be also.

Way to completely ignore the point of the discussion

 

[Telltails]

It's so black and white for fans - but no coach drops all the senior players because he will immediately alienate them create division, and put more pressure on the young players to perform. If they fail, their confidence gets knocked and the coach wears the blame.
We have players that need to be moved on, but mass droppings during a season never works and only creates drama for the press to feed on.

He doesnt have to drop all senior players , just the non performing ones ( which we all know whom they are ) . There is already division due to players not being held accountable for their performances ( this lies with Madge ).


In regards to you saying 'creates drama for press to feed on ' ... how is this different to what is already happening??

The press is feeding on our carcass now, there isnt much more left for them to feed on !!!!

Apart from Brooks atm which senior players are performing?

Youve picked one, Im sure you can pick the other 1 or 2 !!!
But as I said before, its not about looking at performing players , its dropping the non performing players

But we arent the coach so im not going down that rabbit hole..cause its just a matter of opinion at the end of the day !!

I don't care too much who he drops just don't think it will be more than one or two that's all.

 

[Tigers79]

It's so black and white for fans - but no coach drops all the senior players because he will immediately alienate them create division, and put more pressure on the young players to perform. If they fail, their confidence gets knocked and the coach wears the blame.
We have players that need to be moved on, but mass droppings during a season never works and only creates drama for the press to feed on.

He doesnt have to drop all senior players , just the non performing ones ( which we all know whom they are ) . There is already division due to players not being held accountable for their performances ( this lies with Madge ).


In regards to you saying 'creates drama for press to feed on ' ... how is this different to what is already happening??

The press is feeding on our carcass now, there isnt much more left for them to feed on !!!!

Apart from Brooks atm which senior players are performing?

Youve picked one, Im sure you can pick the other 1 or 2 !!!
But as I said before, its not about looking at performing players , its dropping the non performing players

But we arent the coach so im not going down that rabbit hole..cause its just a matter of opinion at the end of the day !!

I don't care too much who he drops just don't think it will be more than one or two that's all.

But thats what Madge has done all season , dropped 1 or 2 and those players being from the younger crop of players....hows that working

Senior players need to go.. not 1 or 2 but 4-6 players

 

[momo_amp_medo]

We should be awarding him a medal of honour and courage for taking on the challenge, not hang the guy.

Each to their own opinion, but I could not disagree more strongly with this point, he has had more than enough time to at least get the team to show some form of improvement, he has failed.
Keeping on blaming Cleary 3 seasons later is a cop out, and Madge and his excuses are a cop out as well.
You want to give him a medal, I want to give a one way ticket out of here, that is the beauty of opinions

I'm not usually in the fence but I am in this one.

I can see both sides of the argument.

**Maguire has lost the dressing room** but should we sack the coach or sack the senior playing roster who are sooking.

Guys like Moses, Brooks, Nofo and others have been here longer than the coach so I'd allot a little more blame to them before sacking the coach.

But a new coach may want to feature those players in his rebuild.

It's a messy situation and all parties are to blame.

Who has said he has lost the dressing room? A couple of people on here.

Last week, they were saying Kevin Walters had lost the dressing room?

Haven't heard any players mention anything? No doubt, we are in a hole, but we are not a top 6 side yet? I don't think anyone thought we would compete in the last 4 games?

I believe we will get there and it is certainly taking longer than we all want, but imo, the club has to let him finish his rebuild. He has the experience we need, remembering we have been trying to do it for 10 years, it is not as easy as we all thought?

I'm saying it. He has lost the dressing room.

Players are not responding.

I'm no fan boy of the senior playing group. Most of them are imposters but right or wrong the coach has lost them.

Plain to see.

Sorry, but you’re guessing. But there are some players not playing to potential for sure.

What information do you have to support your claim that he is guessing?

None, but that’s the point, I know you have mentioned it, but no one else has, in fact they rallied in the second half of the Souths game, hardly an indication he has lost the shed. There is no proof of your assertions what so ever.

Take your blinkers off and you may see things, instead of being one eyed and negative.

We scored points in the second half because south’s clocked off. It is very obvious he’s lost the playing group.

How do you know this, you blokes just make things up to suit your story. If the team didn’t want to play, we wouldn’t have scored any points.

Not at all, I’m looking at it rationally. I actually think he lost he playing group midway through last season, and I think it’s gotten worse since then.

It’s a toxic environment with no harmony at all. Your issue is you have wanted him to succeed so badly from the beginning you simply cannot deal with the fact that he’s failed.

It’s the players that have failed, casting aspersions doesn’t make it true.

Who has said beside some of you, that Madge has lost the sheds? Not even the journo’s sprout that rubbish.

This was literally in tonight’s article by Chammas

“The news comes as multiple sources at the club told the Herald there was growing discontent among the players about Maguire, which has been exacerbated by the coach’s post-match comments following the loss to South Sydney.“


“Growing discontent” and “multiple sources” I wonder who they are? You are drawing a long bow to say “he’s lost the shed”, I said earlier, they said about Kevin Walters last week.

You talk about me wearing blinkers, you're sitting there with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears.

Well, attacking me, doesn't make you right, you have nothing to back up your claim, except a jouno saying there is "growing discontent", Made had just said he was wanting men in his team, that would certainly upset some of the non performers.
Nofo being a tool and throwing team mates under the bus doesn't help either.

BTW, Chammas co-authored the article, I understand he has a known dislike for Madge.

The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace.

I disagree. You've never been inside a dressing shed, have you?

The dressing shed is a workplace. That comment was made publicly.

Strange type of workplace, with cameras and media hanging around. Anyone film you at your workplace?

Last time Madge had a go at the players, in the "privacy" of the dressing shed workplace, they filmed it and put it on TV. Then talked about it for days and days.

Also, I think for Madge it's just an alternate strategy. He has resisted criticising the players all year. They've been rubbish all year, they deserve criticism. He didn't name anyone specifically.

They are professional footballers. If they cannot handle internal and external criticism then they are in the wrong business. NRL is not a standard workplace - most workplaces don't get filmed, don't ask employees to make public comments on a weekly basis. Most employees don't have their personal effects in the media. Most employees don't have external parties critiquing their performances.

So if the coach calls the team out, justifiably, and that's something you can't handle, then you need to reconsider a career as a professional footballer. Because the coach is going to be softer on you, more understanding, more collaborative and constructive than any other external party, of which there are very many.

Maguire needs to be a lot more careful about what he says and where he says it.

Why Paws ? because you want him gone to suit your personal agenda...funny how he can say nice things about his squad when they are learning and not doing well but cant critique them when they fail him ...

WT is a professional organisation. Our image impacts all areas of the business. It's not overly difficult to do.

Nothing he said (about needing men) was unprofessional or impacted our business - we're already in the poo thanks to our weak willed playing roster.
You're the only one who thinks so.

We will see if he repeats what he said again. I suspect not.

He doesn’t need to repeat it, it’s out there and the point has been made and you haven’t stopped repeating it.

What point is that? That he has attempted to blame shift responsibility to the players in an attempt to save his own job?

I think his job is safe while players are performing like reserve graders and it is only right he demands better from them or they hit the road.

No coach will except the type of effort some of these blokes are putting in.

Does Maguire give the players valium in his pre-game and half time chats?

Well this may be the exact point where the major problem of this group lies.
IT is imperative that these guys run out on the field ready to Play from the startnog whisle. But this has just not been ciached into their DNA.
I want to see them run out with fire in their eyes and tear into their opposition ….. PLEASE.

**Bring back tommy's face slapping pre game warm up routine**.
Then if they dont cry...they should be in the rite mood :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: .

Would not hurt?
Except some players nowadays would bring chargers against the person doing the slapping.

 

[Telltails]

It's so black and white for fans - but no coach drops all the senior players because he will immediately alienate them create division, and put more pressure on the young players to perform. If they fail, their confidence gets knocked and the coach wears the blame.
We have players that need to be moved on, but mass droppings during a season never works and only creates drama for the press to feed on.

As opposed to the drama the media is feeding on already?

No one is calling for mass sackings by the way. Just a couple of the big names to send a message to the playing group.

Dropping your Liddle's, Simpkins and Stefano's does bugger all.

Stefano and Simpkins have been blooded like all young players that happens at all clubs. The last thing they need is to be hammered in FG at this point of their careers. They will get their opportunity.

That's exactly right, they have been blooded like most promising rookies are.

But underperforming senior players at clubs coached by top coaches get dropped when they need to be also.

Way to completely ignore the point of the discussion

All our senior players could be arguably dropped depending on which fan you speak to Nofo Tamou Mybe Luciano Roberts - I don't see him dropping them all - because coaches rarely do - and because everyone has varied opinions which ones should go he is on a hiding to nothing with fans regardless.

 

[The_Patriot]

It's so black and white for fans - but no coach drops all the senior players because he will immediately alienate them create division, and put more pressure on the young players to perform. If they fail, their confidence gets knocked and the coach wears the blame.
We have players that need to be moved on, but mass droppings during a season never works and only creates drama for the press to feed on.

As opposed to the drama the media is feeding on already?

No one is calling for mass sackings by the way. Just a couple of the big names to send a message to the playing group.

Dropping your Liddle's, Simpkins and Stefano's does bugger all.

Stefano and Simpkins have been blooded like all young players that happens at all clubs. The last thing they need is to be hammered in FG at this point of their careers. They will get their opportunity.

That's exactly right, they have been blooded like most promising rookies are.

But underperforming senior players at clubs coached by top coaches get dropped when they need to be also.

Way to completely ignore the point of the discussion

All our senior players could be arguably dropped depending on which fan you speak to Nofo Tamou Mybe Luciano Roberts - I don't see him dropping them all - because coaches rarely do - and because everyone has varied opinions which ones should go he is on a hiding to nothing with fans regardless.

Others would say he is copping the hiding because of his inaction. The impression that doing nothing creates leads to many thinking he is clueless.

Its hard to argue with them when all he has done is thrown support behind the players who are letting him down.

 

[Telltails]

It's so black and white for fans - but no coach drops all the senior players because he will immediately alienate them create division, and put more pressure on the young players to perform. If they fail, their confidence gets knocked and the coach wears the blame.
We have players that need to be moved on, but mass droppings during a season never works and only creates drama for the press to feed on.

As opposed to the drama the media is feeding on already?

No one is calling for mass sackings by the way. Just a couple of the big names to send a message to the playing group.

Dropping your Liddle's, Simpkins and Stefano's does bugger all.

Stefano and Simpkins have been blooded like all young players that happens at all clubs. The last thing they need is to be hammered in FG at this point of their careers. They will get their opportunity.

That's exactly right, they have been blooded like most promising rookies are.

But underperforming senior players at clubs coached by top coaches get dropped when they need to be also.

Way to completely ignore the point of the discussion

All our senior players could be arguably dropped depending on which fan you speak to Nofo Tamou Mybe Luciano Roberts - I don't see him dropping them all - because coaches rarely do - and because everyone has varied opinions which ones should go he is on a hiding to nothing with fans regardless.



Others would say he is copping the hiding because of his inaction. The impression that doing nothing creates leads to many thinking he is clueless.

Its hard to argue with them when all he has done is thrown support behind the players who are letting him down.

I'm not supporting the players they are beyond disappointing - and I expect changes. But I can't recall any coach dropping 4-6 players from the FG squad even though they might deserve it, and I think it's unrealistic for fans to expect that Maguire should or will. If he does so be it.

 

[The_Patriot]

It's so black and white for fans - but no coach drops all the senior players because he will immediately alienate them create division, and put more pressure on the young players to perform. If they fail, their confidence gets knocked and the coach wears the blame.
We have players that need to be moved on, but mass droppings during a season never works and only creates drama for the press to feed on.

As opposed to the drama the media is feeding on already?

No one is calling for mass sackings by the way. Just a couple of the big names to send a message to the playing group.

Dropping your Liddle's, Simpkins and Stefano's does bugger all.

Stefano and Simpkins have been blooded like all young players that happens at all clubs. The last thing they need is to be hammered in FG at this point of their careers. They will get their opportunity.

That's exactly right, they have been blooded like most promising rookies are.

But underperforming senior players at clubs coached by top coaches get dropped when they need to be also.

Way to completely ignore the point of the discussion

All our senior players could be arguably dropped depending on which fan you speak to Nofo Tamou Mybe Luciano Roberts - I don't see him dropping them all - because coaches rarely do - and because everyone has varied opinions which ones should go he is on a hiding to nothing with fans regardless.



Others would say he is copping the hiding because of his inaction. The impression that doing nothing creates leads to many thinking he is clueless.

Its hard to argue with them when all he has done is thrown support behind the players who are letting him down.

I'm not supporting the players they are beyond disappointing - and I expect changes. But I can't recall any coach dropping 4-6 players from the FG squad even though they might deserve it, and I think it's unrealistic for fans to expect that Maguire should or will. If he does so be it.

I havent seen anyone ask for 4 to 6 players to be dropped. Just calls for a message to be sent.

 

[dazza65]

It's so black and white for fans - but no coach drops all the senior players because he will immediately alienate them create division, and put more pressure on the young players to perform. If they fail, their confidence gets knocked and the coach wears the blame.
We have players that need to be moved on, but mass droppings during a season never works and only creates drama for the press to feed on.

Wise words
Madge is in a tough spot.
He also doesn't have the talent behind the players that will just come in a be regulars.

Its a slow transition.
Slowly weeding out the ones with the wrong attitude.

Agreed - so easy as a fan and as the yanks say, Monday morning quarterbacks.
Its called man management - isn't that what all the best coaches/clubs espouse?

 

[BZN]

We should be awarding him a medal of honour and courage for taking on the challenge, not hang the guy.

Each to their own opinion, but I could not disagree more strongly with this point, he has had more than enough time to at least get the team to show some form of improvement, he has failed.
Keeping on blaming Cleary 3 seasons later is a cop out, and Madge and his excuses are a cop out as well.
You want to give him a medal, I want to give a one way ticket out of here, that is the beauty of opinions

I'm not usually in the fence but I am in this one.

I can see both sides of the argument.

**Maguire has lost the dressing room** but should we sack the coach or sack the senior playing roster who are sooking.

Guys like Moses, Brooks, Nofo and others have been here longer than the coach so I'd allot a little more blame to them before sacking the coach.

But a new coach may want to feature those players in his rebuild.

It's a messy situation and all parties are to blame.

Who has said he has lost the dressing room? A couple of people on here.

Last week, they were saying Kevin Walters had lost the dressing room?

Haven't heard any players mention anything? No doubt, we are in a hole, but we are not a top 6 side yet? I don't think anyone thought we would compete in the last 4 games?

I believe we will get there and it is certainly taking longer than we all want, but imo, the club has to let him finish his rebuild. He has the experience we need, remembering we have been trying to do it for 10 years, it is not as easy as we all thought?

I'm saying it. He has lost the dressing room.

Players are not responding.

I'm no fan boy of the senior playing group. Most of them are imposters but right or wrong the coach has lost them.

Plain to see.

Sorry, but you’re guessing. But there are some players not playing to potential for sure.

What information do you have to support your claim that he is guessing?

None, but that’s the point, I know you have mentioned it, but no one else has, in fact they rallied in the second half of the Souths game, hardly an indication he has lost the shed. There is no proof of your assertions what so ever.

Take your blinkers off and you may see things, instead of being one eyed and negative.

We scored points in the second half because south’s clocked off. It is very obvious he’s lost the playing group.

How do you know this, you blokes just make things up to suit your story. If the team didn’t want to play, we wouldn’t have scored any points.

Not at all, I’m looking at it rationally. I actually think he lost he playing group midway through last season, and I think it’s gotten worse since then.

It’s a toxic environment with no harmony at all. Your issue is you have wanted him to succeed so badly from the beginning you simply cannot deal with the fact that he’s failed.

It’s the players that have failed, casting aspersions doesn’t make it true.

Who has said beside some of you, that Madge has lost the sheds? Not even the journo’s sprout that rubbish.

This was literally in tonight’s article by Chammas

“The news comes as multiple sources at the club told the Herald there was growing discontent among the players about Maguire, which has been exacerbated by the coach’s post-match comments following the loss to South Sydney.“


“Growing discontent” and “multiple sources” I wonder who they are? You are drawing a long bow to say “he’s lost the shed”, I said earlier, they said about Kevin Walters last week.

You talk about me wearing blinkers, you're sitting there with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears.

Well, attacking me, doesn't make you right, you have nothing to back up your claim, except a jouno saying there is "growing discontent", Made had just said he was wanting men in his team, that would certainly upset some of the non performers.
Nofo being a tool and throwing team mates under the bus doesn't help either.

BTW, Chammas co-authored the article, I understand he has a known dislike for Madge.

The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace.

I disagree. You've never been inside a dressing shed, have you?

The dressing shed is a workplace. That comment was made publicly.

Strange type of workplace, with cameras and media hanging around. Anyone film you at your workplace?

Last time Madge had a go at the players, in the "privacy" of the dressing shed workplace, they filmed it and put it on TV. Then talked about it for days and days.

Also, I think for Madge it's just an alternate strategy. He has resisted criticising the players all year. They've been rubbish all year, they deserve criticism. He didn't name anyone specifically.

They are professional footballers. If they cannot handle internal and external criticism then they are in the wrong business. NRL is not a standard workplace - most workplaces don't get filmed, don't ask employees to make public comments on a weekly basis. Most employees don't have their personal effects in the media. Most employees don't have external parties critiquing their performances.

So if the coach calls the team out, justifiably, and that's something you can't handle, then you need to reconsider a career as a professional footballer. Because the coach is going to be softer on you, more understanding, more collaborative and constructive than any other external party, of which there are very many.

Maguire needs to be a lot more careful about what he says and where he says it.

Why Paws ? because you want him gone to suit your personal agenda...funny how he can say nice things about his squad when they are learning and not doing well but cant critique them when they fail him ...

WT is a professional organisation. Our image impacts all areas of the business. It's not overly difficult to do.

Nothing he said (about needing men) was unprofessional or impacted our business - we're already in the poo thanks to our weak willed playing roster.
You're the only one who thinks so.

We will see if he repeats what he said again. I suspect not.

He doesn’t need to repeat it, it’s out there and the point has been made and you haven’t stopped repeating it.

What point is that? That he has attempted to blame shift responsibility to the players in an attempt to save his own job?

I think his job is safe while players are performing like reserve graders and it is only right he demands better from them or they hit the road.

No coach will except the type of effort some of these blokes are putting in.

Does Maguire give the players valium in his pre-game and half time chats?

Well this may be the exact point where the major problem of this group lies.
IT is imperative that these guys run out on the field ready to Play from the startnog whisle. But this has just not been ciached into their DNA.
I want to see them run out with fire in their eyes and tear into their opposition ….. PLEASE.

**Bring back tommy's face slapping pre game warm up routine**.
Then if they dont cry...they should be in the rite mood :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: .

Would not hurt?
Except some players nowadays would bring chargers against the person doing the slapping.

Yes!!! :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:
Particularly the ones like Whatsthematerson and Slimy Mitch Moses that would cry :scream_cat: :confounded: :sob:

 

[TrueTiger]

If I recall,Madge dropped Brooks,Noffa,BJ,Liddle and others in his term so far as coach....whats it tell me...there is little depth to handle fg and the players know that,hence their woeful attitude and failing Madge..he has always spoke highly of his group even when they were only just getting beaten,only now he has critiqued them AND they deserve it....if most take the hate goggle off aimed at Madge and focus on the boys club within this group,you can smell a rat trying to undermine the coach...

 

[TillLindemann]

It's so black and white for fans - but no coach drops all the senior players because he will immediately alienate them create division, and put more pressure on the young players to perform. If they fail, their confidence gets knocked and the coach wears the blame.
We have players that need to be moved on, but mass droppings during a season never works and only creates drama for the press to feed on.

He doesnt have to drop all senior players , just the non performing ones ( which we all know whom they are ) . There is already division due to players not being held accountable for their performances ( this lies with Madge ).


In regards to you saying 'creates drama for press to feed on ' ... how is this different to what is already happening??

The press is feeding on our carcass now, there isnt much more left for them to feed on !!!!

Apart from Brooks atm which senior players are performing?

Youve picked one, Im sure you can pick the other 1 or 2 !!!
But as I said before, its not about looking at performing players , its dropping the non performing players

But we arent the coach so im not going down that rabbit hole..cause its just a matter of opinion at the end of the day !!

I don't care too much who he drops just don't think it will be more than one or two that's all.

But thats what Madge has done all season , dropped 1 or 2 and those players being from the younger crop of players....hows that working

Senior players need to go.. not 1 or 2 but 4-6 players

But he gets crucified when he does the opposite as well - when he dropped Benji and Brooks last season he was criticised as 'chopping and changing' and being disruptive. Ditto when he pulled Doueihi from the halves. People said he would never drop BJ but he did. Madge has shown he is not afraid to drop or move players, young or old. The trouble is in some positions, such as the outside backs we just have few viable options. Injuries haven't helped either - e.g. AJ was terrible on the wing but did look more promising at centre.

 

[mike]

We should be awarding him a medal of honour and courage for taking on the challenge, not hang the guy.

Each to their own opinion, but I could not disagree more strongly with this point, he has had more than enough time to at least get the team to show some form of improvement, he has failed.
Keeping on blaming Cleary 3 seasons later is a cop out, and Madge and his excuses are a cop out as well.
You want to give him a medal, I want to give a one way ticket out of here, that is the beauty of opinions

I'm not usually in the fence but I am in this one.

I can see both sides of the argument.

**Maguire has lost the dressing room** but should we sack the coach or sack the senior playing roster who are sooking.

Guys like Moses, Brooks, Nofo and others have been here longer than the coach so I'd allot a little more blame to them before sacking the coach.

But a new coach may want to feature those players in his rebuild.

It's a messy situation and all parties are to blame.

Who has said he has lost the dressing room? A couple of people on here.

Last week, they were saying Kevin Walters had lost the dressing room?

Haven't heard any players mention anything? No doubt, we are in a hole, but we are not a top 6 side yet? I don't think anyone thought we would compete in the last 4 games?

I believe we will get there and it is certainly taking longer than we all want, but imo, the club has to let him finish his rebuild. He has the experience we need, remembering we have been trying to do it for 10 years, it is not as easy as we all thought?

I'm saying it. He has lost the dressing room.

Players are not responding.

I'm no fan boy of the senior playing group. Most of them are imposters but right or wrong the coach has lost them.

Plain to see.

Sorry, but you’re guessing. But there are some players not playing to potential for sure.

What information do you have to support your claim that he is guessing?

None, but that’s the point, I know you have mentioned it, but no one else has, in fact they rallied in the second half of the Souths game, hardly an indication he has lost the shed. There is no proof of your assertions what so ever.

Take your blinkers off and you may see things, instead of being one eyed and negative.

We scored points in the second half because south’s clocked off. It is very obvious he’s lost the playing group.

How do you know this, you blokes just make things up to suit your story. If the team didn’t want to play, we wouldn’t have scored any points.

Not at all, I’m looking at it rationally. I actually think he lost he playing group midway through last season, and I think it’s gotten worse since then.

It’s a toxic environment with no harmony at all. Your issue is you have wanted him to succeed so badly from the beginning you simply cannot deal with the fact that he’s failed.

It’s the players that have failed, casting aspersions doesn’t make it true.

Who has said beside some of you, that Madge has lost the sheds? Not even the journo’s sprout that rubbish.

This was literally in tonight’s article by Chammas

“The news comes as multiple sources at the club told the Herald there was growing discontent among the players about Maguire, which has been exacerbated by the coach’s post-match comments following the loss to South Sydney.“


“Growing discontent” and “multiple sources” I wonder who they are? You are drawing a long bow to say “he’s lost the shed”, I said earlier, they said about Kevin Walters last week.

You talk about me wearing blinkers, you're sitting there with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears.

Well, attacking me, doesn't make you right, you have nothing to back up your claim, except a jouno saying there is "growing discontent", Made had just said he was wanting men in his team, that would certainly upset some of the non performers.
Nofo being a tool and throwing team mates under the bus doesn't help either.

BTW, Chammas co-authored the article, I understand he has a known dislike for Madge.

The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace.

I disagree. You've never been inside a dressing shed, have you?

The dressing shed is a workplace. That comment was made publicly.

Strange type of workplace, with cameras and media hanging around. Anyone film you at your workplace?

Last time Madge had a go at the players, in the "privacy" of the dressing shed workplace, they filmed it and put it on TV. Then talked about it for days and days.

Also, I think for Madge it's just an alternate strategy. He has resisted criticising the players all year. They've been rubbish all year, they deserve criticism. He didn't name anyone specifically.

They are professional footballers. If they cannot handle internal and external criticism then they are in the wrong business. NRL is not a standard workplace - most workplaces don't get filmed, don't ask employees to make public comments on a weekly basis. Most employees don't have their personal effects in the media. Most employees don't have external parties critiquing their performances.

So if the coach calls the team out, justifiably, and that's something you can't handle, then you need to reconsider a career as a professional footballer. Because the coach is going to be softer on you, more understanding, more collaborative and constructive than any other external party, of which there are very many.

Maguire needs to be a lot more careful about what he says and where he says it.

Why Paws ? because you want him gone to suit your personal agenda...funny how he can say nice things about his squad when they are learning and not doing well but cant critique them when they fail him ...

WT is a professional organisation. Our image impacts all areas of the business. It's not overly difficult to do.

Nothing he said (about needing men) was unprofessional or impacted our business - we're already in the poo thanks to our weak willed playing roster.
You're the only one who thinks so.

We will see if he repeats what he said again. I suspect not.

He doesn’t need to repeat it, it’s out there and the point has been made and you haven’t stopped repeating it.

What point is that? That he has attempted to blame shift responsibility to the players in an attempt to save his own job?

I think his job is safe while players are performing like reserve graders and it is only right he demands better from them or they hit the road.

No coach will except the type of effort some of these blokes are putting in.

Does Maguire give the players valium in his pre-game and half time chats?

Well this may be the exact point where the major problem of this group lies.
IT is imperative that these guys run out on the field ready to Play from the startnog whisle. But this has just not been ciached into their DNA.
I want to see them run out with fire in their eyes and tear into their opposition ….. PLEASE.

**Bring back tommy's face slapping pre game warm up routine**.
Then if they dont cry...they should be in the rite mood :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: .

Would not hurt?
Except some players nowadays would bring chargers against the person doing the slapping.

Yes!!! :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:
Particularly the ones like Whatsthematerson and Slimy Mitch Moses that would cry :scream_cat: :confounded: :sob:

Could not agree more. Love the names.

 

[TrueTiger]

It's so black and white for fans - but no coach drops all the senior players because he will immediately alienate them create division, and put more pressure on the young players to perform. If they fail, their confidence gets knocked and the coach wears the blame.
We have players that need to be moved on, but mass droppings during a season never works and only creates drama for the press to feed on.

He doesnt have to drop all senior players , just the non performing ones ( which we all know whom they are ) . There is already division due to players not being held accountable for their performances ( this lies with Madge ).


In regards to you saying 'creates drama for press to feed on ' ... how is this different to what is already happening??

The press is feeding on our carcass now, there isnt much more left for them to feed on !!!!

Apart from Brooks atm which senior players are performing?

Youve picked one, Im sure you can pick the other 1 or 2 !!!
But as I said before, its not about looking at performing players , its dropping the non performing players

But we arent the coach so im not going down that rabbit hole..cause its just a matter of opinion at the end of the day !!

I don't care too much who he drops just don't think it will be more than one or two that's all.

But thats what Madge has done all season , dropped 1 or 2 and those players being from the younger crop of players....hows that working

Senior players need to go.. not 1 or 2 but 4-6 players

But he gets crucified when he does the opposite as well - when he dropped Benji and Brooks last season he was criticised as 'chopping and changing' and being disruptive. Ditto when he pulled Doueihi from the halves. People said he would never drop BJ but he did. Madge has shown he is not afraid to drop or move players, young or old. The trouble is in some positions, such as the outside backs we just have few viable options. Injuries haven't helped either - e.g. AJ was terrible on the wing but did look more promising at centre.

Totally agree with your post mate....I would also like to add that not just the 17 being picked each week,but the guys still in the squad who arent playing atm eg BJ,Packer,what are they saying during the week to the players as well,are they disruptive,not happy or are they trying to be positive...Only Madge and co really know whats going on...we are just speculating and assuming at this point in time...

 

[happy_tiger]

We should be awarding him a medal of honour and courage for taking on the challenge, not hang the guy.

Each to their own opinion, but I could not disagree more strongly with this point, he has had more than enough time to at least get the team to show some form of improvement, he has failed.
Keeping on blaming Cleary 3 seasons later is a cop out, and Madge and his excuses are a cop out as well.
You want to give him a medal, I want to give a one way ticket out of here, that is the beauty of opinions

I'm not usually in the fence but I am in this one.

I can see both sides of the argument.

**Maguire has lost the dressing room** but should we sack the coach or sack the senior playing roster who are sooking.

Guys like Moses, Brooks, Nofo and others have been here longer than the coach so I'd allot a little more blame to them before sacking the coach.

But a new coach may want to feature those players in his rebuild.

It's a messy situation and all parties are to blame.

Who has said he has lost the dressing room? A couple of people on here.

Last week, they were saying Kevin Walters had lost the dressing room?

Haven't heard any players mention anything? No doubt, we are in a hole, but we are not a top 6 side yet? I don't think anyone thought we would compete in the last 4 games?

I believe we will get there and it is certainly taking longer than we all want, but imo, the club has to let him finish his rebuild. He has the experience we need, remembering we have been trying to do it for 10 years, it is not as easy as we all thought?

I'm saying it. He has lost the dressing room.

Players are not responding.

I'm no fan boy of the senior playing group. Most of them are imposters but right or wrong the coach has lost them.

Plain to see.

Sorry, but you’re guessing. But there are some players not playing to potential for sure.

What information do you have to support your claim that he is guessing?

None, but that’s the point, I know you have mentioned it, but no one else has, in fact they rallied in the second half of the Souths game, hardly an indication he has lost the shed. There is no proof of your assertions what so ever.

Take your blinkers off and you may see things, instead of being one eyed and negative.

We scored points in the second half because south’s clocked off. It is very obvious he’s lost the playing group.

How do you know this, you blokes just make things up to suit your story. If the team didn’t want to play, we wouldn’t have scored any points.

Not at all, I’m looking at it rationally. I actually think he lost he playing group midway through last season, and I think it’s gotten worse since then.

It’s a toxic environment with no harmony at all. Your issue is you have wanted him to succeed so badly from the beginning you simply cannot deal with the fact that he’s failed.

It’s the players that have failed, casting aspersions doesn’t make it true.

Who has said beside some of you, that Madge has lost the sheds? Not even the journo’s sprout that rubbish.

This was literally in tonight’s article by Chammas

“The news comes as multiple sources at the club told the Herald there was growing discontent among the players about Maguire, which has been exacerbated by the coach’s post-match comments following the loss to South Sydney.“


“Growing discontent” and “multiple sources” I wonder who they are? You are drawing a long bow to say “he’s lost the shed”, I said earlier, they said about Kevin Walters last week.

You talk about me wearing blinkers, you're sitting there with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears.

Well, attacking me, doesn't make you right, you have nothing to back up your claim, except a jouno saying there is "growing discontent", Made had just said he was wanting men in his team, that would certainly upset some of the non performers.
Nofo being a tool and throwing team mates under the bus doesn't help either.

BTW, Chammas co-authored the article, I understand he has a known dislike for Madge.

The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace.

I disagree. You've never been inside a dressing shed, have you?

The dressing shed is a workplace. That comment was made publicly.

Strange type of workplace, with cameras and media hanging around. Anyone film you at your workplace?

Last time Madge had a go at the players, in the "privacy" of the dressing shed workplace, they filmed it and put it on TV. Then talked about it for days and days.

Also, I think for Madge it's just an alternate strategy. He has resisted criticising the players all year. They've been rubbish all year, they deserve criticism. He didn't name anyone specifically.

They are professional footballers. If they cannot handle internal and external criticism then they are in the wrong business. NRL is not a standard workplace - most workplaces don't get filmed, don't ask employees to make public comments on a weekly basis. Most employees don't have their personal effects in the media. Most employees don't have external parties critiquing their performances.

So if the coach calls the team out, justifiably, and that's something you can't handle, then you need to reconsider a career as a professional footballer. Because the coach is going to be softer on you, more understanding, more collaborative and constructive than any other external party, of which there are very many.

Maguire needs to be a lot more careful about what he says and where he says it.

Why Paws ? because you want him gone to suit your personal agenda...funny how he can say nice things about his squad when they are learning and not doing well but cant critique them when they fail him ...

WT is a professional organisation. Our image impacts all areas of the business. It's not overly difficult to do.

Nothing he said (about needing men) was unprofessional or impacted our business - we're already in the poo thanks to our weak willed playing roster.
You're the only one who thinks so.

We will see if he repeats what he said again. I suspect not.

He doesn’t need to repeat it, it’s out there and the point has been made and you haven’t stopped repeating it.

What point is that? That he has attempted to blame shift responsibility to the players in an attempt to save his own job?

I think his job is safe while players are performing like reserve graders and it is only right he demands better from them or they hit the road.

No coach will except the type of effort some of these blokes are putting in.

Does Maguire give the players valium in his pre-game and half time chats?

Well this may be the exact point where the major problem of this group lies.
IT is imperative that these guys run out on the field ready to Play from the startnog whisle. But this has just not been ciached into their DNA.
I want to see them run out with fire in their eyes and tear into their opposition ….. PLEASE.

**Bring back tommy's face slapping pre game warm up routine**.
Then if they dont cry...they should be in the rite mood :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: .

There's 17 players so I guess Tamou gets to slap Maguire!

Everyone slaps Nofa .....

 

[tiger_one]

And Phil Gould again adds his twopence worth:

https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/wests-tigers-issues-michael-maguire-phil-gould-breaks-it-down/3466089e-fb32-4169-9f3c-d08354a31bd3?ocid=edm-wwos.nine.com.au-ninedaily--210709&mktg_scr=edm-wwosdaily&fbclid=IwAR29OlW5-J0cg4rRsZwUE2IAFCVFLgEb7okfJzJ8cwC543YkjCMccF22UEg

EXCLUSIVE: Phil Gould breaks down Wests Tigers' woes, the 'band-aid' solutions hurting club internally

Rugby league guru Phil Gould says the Wests Tigers' struggles are in part due to the club's default response to "band-aid over things" internally, rather than "to sit back from the outside" and discover what the real problems are.

The Tigers, who last reached the finals in 2011, look destined to again miss out on postseason football currently sitting 12th on the NRL ladder, with five wins and 10 losses to their name.

The Concord-based club's struggles have been highlighted by a number of internal issues, namely player unrest and speculation surrounding the coaching future of Michael Maguire.

Coming off three consecutive defeats, in which the Tigers have conceded a total of 144 points, pressure is continuing to mount on the club.

Gould says the Tigers, like several other clubs in the competition, are failing to appropriately address the internal issues that are leading to the negative results on the field.

"Having been involved behind the scenes in football clubs, sometimes the people inside the organisation can't see the forest for the trees," he told James Bracey on Wide World of Sports' Six Tackles with Gus podcast.

"They can't see it spiralling out of control, where people from the outside are looking at it like, 'Wow, look at what's happening here'.

"Internally, you're trying to band-aid over things and put out little fires and keep things moving along... then you have another bad day or a bad half and that allows all the other conjecture - you drop a key player, you drop a senior player, you change a captain.

"You do all these things internally that you think are the right things to do and you really need to sit back from the outside and look at it and get to the real root of the problem as you're trying to get out of it.

"I feel for them (Tigers). I feel for a lot of the clubs at the moment who struggle - it must be a torment for them out on the field, being beaten by 50 and 60 points and knowing you're not competitive."

Making particular note of two of the club's recent performances - last week's loss to South Sydney and the Round Five defeat at the hands of North Queensland - Gould said it's a concerning sign the club was thrashed in both first halves before turning things around in the second period.

The former NSW Origin coach claims the club's inability to stay on top during both the first and second half are signs of having "no resilience".

"The Tigers, they look like a club really under stress, they play like they're under stress. They never look comfortable," Gould added.

"I remember a game this year, they were raging hot favourites the day they were going to pay tribute to Tommy Raudonikis at Leichhardt Oval, and they were playing the Cowboys who hadn't beaten anyone.

"They were down by 26 or 28 points at half-time. I had a similar feeling about it watching them [against South Sydney] on the weekend - where they go out with all good intention, then it just prickles like a balloon or one little mistake or one little try, then all of a sudden it's an avalanche.

"They can't deal with it until they can get back with the coach at half-time. In both of those games, they've come out and had strong second halves.

"Which means, whatever he said to them at half-time must have had an effect. They must have been able to regroup, take a breath, calm down and then come back and start to apply themselves better.

"But why can't they do that with themselves on the field? It seems a lot of these teams mentally, it's all too hard for them. Once they get on the wrong end of a team with talent who can score the points, there's no resilience until next week or the second half, or whenever they can regroup and come again.

"That's not the signs of a professional footballer or a professional team. Attitude control and mental control is a key part of being a professional athlete."

One of the big talking points from the Tigers' loss to the Rabbitohs last weekend was the club's sudden change of its defensive structure.

The Tigers during that match trailed by 26 points at the main break after showcasing a defensive structure in which Parramatta great Peter Sterling said: "I haven't seen this kind of defence before... I've never seen a team stand still and then reverse before the play gets to them. It's an invitation."

Gould echoed similar thoughts and said Maguire's decision to change the defensive systems was the wrong thing to do given the position the Tigers are currently in.

"Sometimes they have some good results, but too often we see performances like that on the weekend. But what made it worse on the weekend was the revelation prior to the game, that the coach had changed the defensive structure for the team," Gould said.

"That's too hard to do in seven days. It's almost impossible to do against one of the top sides.

"What he was probably saying to them, mentally before the game, is that our defence can't cope with Souths, so we need to change something up very quickly.

"You probably get one or two sessions to educate them on it and it just fell apart. They didn't know what they were doing. They really didn't know what they were doing.

"Over time, he might be right, that might be the best defensive system for those players, but it's going to take a lot longer than a couple of sessions to turn it around and change it.

"You probably wouldn't change it against the better sides like that, you've got to work with what you're training week in and week out. What they did on the weekend wasn't right for the South Sydney game."

 

[Harvey]

And Phil Gould again adds his twopence worth:

https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/wests-tigers-issues-michael-maguire-phil-gould-breaks-it-down/3466089e-fb32-4169-9f3c-d08354a31bd3?ocid=edm-wwos.nine.com.au-ninedaily--210709&mktg_scr=edm-wwosdaily&fbclid=IwAR29OlW5-J0cg4rRsZwUE2IAFCVFLgEb7okfJzJ8cwC543YkjCMccF22UEg

EXCLUSIVE: Phil Gould breaks down Wests Tigers' woes, the 'band-aid' solutions hurting club internally

Rugby league guru Phil Gould says the Wests Tigers' struggles are in part due to the club's default response to "band-aid over things" internally, rather than "to sit back from the outside" and discover what the real problems are.

The Tigers, who last reached the finals in 2011, look destined to again miss out on postseason football currently sitting 12th on the NRL ladder, with five wins and 10 losses to their name.

The Concord-based club's struggles have been highlighted by a number of internal issues, namely player unrest and speculation surrounding the coaching future of Michael Maguire.

Coming off three consecutive defeats, in which the Tigers have conceded a total of 144 points, pressure is continuing to mount on the club.

Gould says the Tigers, like several other clubs in the competition, are failing to appropriately address the internal issues that are leading to the negative results on the field.

"Having been involved behind the scenes in football clubs, sometimes the people inside the organisation can't see the forest for the trees," he told James Bracey on Wide World of Sports' Six Tackles with Gus podcast.

"They can't see it spiralling out of control, where people from the outside are looking at it like, 'Wow, look at what's happening here'.

"Internally, you're trying to band-aid over things and put out little fires and keep things moving along... then you have another bad day or a bad half and that allows all the other conjecture - you drop a key player, you drop a senior player, you change a captain.

"You do all these things internally that you think are the right things to do and you really need to sit back from the outside and look at it and get to the real root of the problem as you're trying to get out of it.

"I feel for them (Tigers). I feel for a lot of the clubs at the moment who struggle - it must be a torment for them out on the field, being beaten by 50 and 60 points and knowing you're not competitive."

Making particular note of two of the club's recent performances - last week's loss to South Sydney and the Round Five defeat at the hands of North Queensland - Gould said it's a concerning sign the club was thrashed in both first halves before turning things around in the second period.

The former NSW Origin coach claims the club's inability to stay on top during both the first and second half are signs of having "no resilience".

"The Tigers, they look like a club really under stress, they play like they're under stress. They never look comfortable," Gould added.

"I remember a game this year, they were raging hot favourites the day they were going to pay tribute to Tommy Raudonikis at Leichhardt Oval, and they were playing the Cowboys who hadn't beaten anyone.

"They were down by 26 or 28 points at half-time. I had a similar feeling about it watching them [against South Sydney] on the weekend - where they go out with all good intention, then it just prickles like a balloon or one little mistake or one little try, then all of a sudden it's an avalanche.

"They can't deal with it until they can get back with the coach at half-time. In both of those games, they've come out and had strong second halves.

"Which means, whatever he said to them at half-time must have had an effect. They must have been able to regroup, take a breath, calm down and then come back and start to apply themselves better.

"But why can't they do that with themselves on the field? It seems a lot of these teams mentally, it's all too hard for them. Once they get on the wrong end of a team with talent who can score the points, there's no resilience until next week or the second half, or whenever they can regroup and come again.

"That's not the signs of a professional footballer or a professional team. Attitude control and mental control is a key part of being a professional athlete."

One of the big talking points from the Tigers' loss to the Rabbitohs last weekend was the club's sudden change of its defensive structure.

The Tigers during that match trailed by 26 points at the main break after showcasing a defensive structure in which Parramatta great Peter Sterling said: "I haven't seen this kind of defence before... I've never seen a team stand still and then reverse before the play gets to them. It's an invitation."

Gould echoed similar thoughts and said Maguire's decision to change the defensive systems was the wrong thing to do given the position the Tigers are currently in.

"Sometimes they have some good results, but too often we see performances like that on the weekend. But what made it worse on the weekend was the revelation prior to the game, that the coach had changed the defensive structure for the team," Gould said.

"That's too hard to do in seven days. It's almost impossible to do against one of the top sides.

"What he was probably saying to them, mentally before the game, is that our defence can't cope with Souths, so we need to change something up very quickly.

"You probably get one or two sessions to educate them on it and it just fell apart. They didn't know what they were doing. They really didn't know what they were doing.

"Over time, he might be right, that might be the best defensive system for those players, but it's going to take a lot longer than a couple of sessions to turn it around and change it.

"You probably wouldn't change it against the better sides like that, you've got to work with what you're training week in and week out. What they did on the weekend wasn't right for the South Sydney game."

Maybe we should invite him to conduct a review.

 

[jrtiger]

And Phil Gould again adds his twopence worth:

https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/wests-tigers-issues-michael-maguire-phil-gould-breaks-it-down/3466089e-fb32-4169-9f3c-d08354a31bd3?ocid=edm-wwos.nine.com.au-ninedaily--210709&mktg_scr=edm-wwosdaily&fbclid=IwAR29OlW5-J0cg4rRsZwUE2IAFCVFLgEb7okfJzJ8cwC543YkjCMccF22UEg

EXCLUSIVE: Phil Gould breaks down Wests Tigers' woes, the 'band-aid' solutions hurting club internally

Rugby league guru Phil Gould says the Wests Tigers' struggles are in part due to the club's default response to "band-aid over things" internally, rather than "to sit back from the outside" and discover what the real problems are.

The Tigers, who last reached the finals in 2011, look destined to again miss out on postseason football currently sitting 12th on the NRL ladder, with five wins and 10 losses to their name.

The Concord-based club's struggles have been highlighted by a number of internal issues, namely player unrest and speculation surrounding the coaching future of Michael Maguire.

Coming off three consecutive defeats, in which the Tigers have conceded a total of 144 points, pressure is continuing to mount on the club.

Gould says the Tigers, like several other clubs in the competition, are failing to appropriately address the internal issues that are leading to the negative results on the field.

"Having been involved behind the scenes in football clubs, sometimes the people inside the organisation can't see the forest for the trees," he told James Bracey on Wide World of Sports' Six Tackles with Gus podcast.

"They can't see it spiralling out of control, where people from the outside are looking at it like, 'Wow, look at what's happening here'.

"Internally, you're trying to band-aid over things and put out little fires and keep things moving along... then you have another bad day or a bad half and that allows all the other conjecture - you drop a key player, you drop a senior player, you change a captain.

"You do all these things internally that you think are the right things to do and you really need to sit back from the outside and look at it and get to the real root of the problem as you're trying to get out of it.

"I feel for them (Tigers). I feel for a lot of the clubs at the moment who struggle - it must be a torment for them out on the field, being beaten by 50 and 60 points and knowing you're not competitive."

Making particular note of two of the club's recent performances - last week's loss to South Sydney and the Round Five defeat at the hands of North Queensland - Gould said it's a concerning sign the club was thrashed in both first halves before turning things around in the second period.

The former NSW Origin coach claims the club's inability to stay on top during both the first and second half are signs of having "no resilience".

"The Tigers, they look like a club really under stress, they play like they're under stress. They never look comfortable," Gould added.

"I remember a game this year, they were raging hot favourites the day they were going to pay tribute to Tommy Raudonikis at Leichhardt Oval, and they were playing the Cowboys who hadn't beaten anyone.

"They were down by 26 or 28 points at half-time. I had a similar feeling about it watching them [against South Sydney] on the weekend - where they go out with all good intention, then it just prickles like a balloon or one little mistake or one little try, then all of a sudden it's an avalanche.

"They can't deal with it until they can get back with the coach at half-time. In both of those games, they've come out and had strong second halves.

"Which means, whatever he said to them at half-time must have had an effect. They must have been able to regroup, take a breath, calm down and then come back and start to apply themselves better.

"But why can't they do that with themselves on the field? It seems a lot of these teams mentally, it's all too hard for them. Once they get on the wrong end of a team with talent who can score the points, there's no resilience until next week or the second half, or whenever they can regroup and come again.

"That's not the signs of a professional footballer or a professional team. Attitude control and mental control is a key part of being a professional athlete."

One of the big talking points from the Tigers' loss to the Rabbitohs last weekend was the club's sudden change of its defensive structure.

The Tigers during that match trailed by 26 points at the main break after showcasing a defensive structure in which Parramatta great Peter Sterling said: "I haven't seen this kind of defence before... I've never seen a team stand still and then reverse before the play gets to them. It's an invitation."

Gould echoed similar thoughts and said Maguire's decision to change the defensive systems was the wrong thing to do given the position the Tigers are currently in.

"Sometimes they have some good results, but too often we see performances like that on the weekend. But what made it worse on the weekend was the revelation prior to the game, that the coach had changed the defensive structure for the team," Gould said.

"That's too hard to do in seven days. It's almost impossible to do against one of the top sides.

"What he was probably saying to them, mentally before the game, is that our defence can't cope with Souths, so we need to change something up very quickly.

"You probably get one or two sessions to educate them on it and it just fell apart. They didn't know what they were doing. They really didn't know what they were doing.

"Over time, he might be right, that might be the best defensive system for those players, but it's going to take a lot longer than a couple of sessions to turn it around and change it.

"You probably wouldn't change it against the better sides like that, you've got to work with what you're training week in and week out. What they did on the weekend wasn't right for the South Sydney game."

hard to disagree.

 

[Needaname]

He is right. You can’t change a structure within a short space well it was about 15 days considering the origin break, however that all depends on how much free time they were given that first week. But what if Maguire looked at this game with the bye upcoming followed by a couple of attack minded sides in the Broncos then Manly, and thought we have a month to change it and we’ll test it out against the Bunnies.
The players were exposed in the game. They new what needed to change and improved it in the second half, maybe it’s a taste of what they need to do to improve.

Remembering St George got hammered by Souths in the charity shield in the same fashion we flogged Manly.

Griffen was asked about that and said, we’ll it’s a trial, we’ve worked on some stuff in the off-season and those structures and systems were put under intense pressure. But all in all it showed us where the improvement was needed.
Maybe the Souths game being mentally out of reach was an opportunity for our side to reset and test out some changes.