Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[jirskyr]

Been glued to this thread for 24hrs and look away then wow…not sure what to think after the buildup.

Just so we are all clear though - the "build up" is 100% media driven and not driven by Wests Tigers. Tigers didn't officially announce the review, it was leaked to the media. It's normal to review operations after a badly failed season, and naturally for the 3-year coach, his ongoing involvement would be part of that review.

However 100% of the content between the public becoming aware of the review, and the outcome of the review, is pure media-driven circus of speculation, with a significant number of commentators and typically none of them got the story right.

When we all take a step back from the hysteria, the club conducted an internal review, the Board were made recommendations and their ultimate decision was to retain Madge. It would not be weird for some of the Board members to have been in favour of sacking Madge - same as some fans were. The players don't even come back to training for 6 weeks, there's no time lost.

I agree with your post. I guess my perspective is that the build up was more the differences of opinion within the forum going around in circles (years in the making) coming to a head because there was an opportunity to “change direction”. Personally I’ve always thought that the best long term strategy was to stick with Madge. Unfortunately the differences of opinion on here will continue to boil over until we start winning. Even then it probably won’t be enough.

The arguments will then be about making finals consistently, then about winning finals, then about winning comps. Arguably Eels fans are as dissatisfied right now as Tigers fans are, Knights fans too.

 

[Snake]

My wife and I each have a premium membership and will keep them. We support the Wests Tigers and would never put any coach, player or other individual above the club (even Robbie!). We have stuck solid through thick and thin and believe that's what members and fans do.

I'm not looking for any pats on the back for this but we will always support whoever the club appoints. so the outcome of the review has had no impact on our support. I'm glad to see Madge continue with the passion and belief that he wears on his sleeve.

Here's to better times ahead!


Enjoy your wooden spoon next season to eat your soup with, because that’s where we are heading!

He didn't deserve that response.


Obviously not directed especially at him but the general Madge lovers with their massive blinkers on! Can’t stand the ignorance of some people!

Do they really even watch the games, as I said previously I have supported the club through numerous wooden spoons and this is the worst we have looked by a mile!

38-0 to the wooden spooners!

We were minus 10 Ist graders for one reason or another. This fact has been conveniently omitted by those with an agendas. I like you was of the opinion the players were not responding to Madge but as previously stated, that might be improved by a couple of decent assistants. There is one thing I will give Madge is that he definitely tries to give it his all. Unfortunately that might not be good enough, however I sincerely hope it is.

10 first graders????? tell that to Trent Robinson! Joke club, Joke team, Joke coach!

You swap Nofa with Tedesco and Joffa with Hargreaves and Lucy with Critchton and tell me we get the same result.

In case you have forgotten Maguire brought Lucy and Joffa to the club and re- signed Nofa

4 more seasons getting posts of Nuffie drinking out of a coconut with a straw !

 

[Tiger5150]

It’s an interesting place we now arrive at as a club.

Intended or not, Madge will now be under the microscope by the trigger happy media next year.

We have had significant moments as a club before and on just about every occasion we have been found wanting irrespective of whom the current custodians (Management, Coaching & Players) have been.

This time the club must now find some actual leadership and get ruthless in pursuit of success.

It’s clear this off season is pivotal.

As a fan I want to see an actual plan and clear accountability and purpose moving forward around the proposed structural and procedural changes.

There must also be tangible action and execution of said plan that translates to onfield performance, not just more words and rhetoric.

Show me you can produce WT, as a long suffering fan I want to believe but I need to see it.

Great post.

The media will be after revenge for this week. I hope the club, Madge and the players can rub their noses in it.

 

[BAGNF05]

Time will tell whether the line drawn in the sand was the right one. I'm glad a decision has at least been made, but I'm very dubious whether the changes the WT will implement across its football department will result in improved performances.

I still don't think Madge is the right guy to get the most of this squad - unless there is some miraculous (and I mean that in every sense of the word) change in attitude next season, we're bringing home the spoon. New assistant coaches may provide some benefit, but I think the board, and the entire structure of the board needs to change.

The bigger issues of recruitment rest with Madge and Hartigan, and I'm far from convinced we're going to improve in this regard. I still don't think we've hit rock bottom yet, and that worries me.

With Sheens onboard and In a more hands on role, no more excuses For Madge. If no improvement next year, especially after the first couple of rounds, he is sacked. He has no more excuses.

You may as well sack him now then because there won’t be any. If he’s been given the “make the 8 or bust” ultimatum then the club is kidding itself, no way they believe we can make the 8.

There is a huge gap in between making the 8 and showing improvement for us. Just looking like a group of interested footy players would be good.

 

[TheDaBoss]

Fans r folding

Who

Some people on here lol

 

[BAGNF05]

Been glued to this thread for 24hrs and look away then wow…not sure what to think after the buildup.

Just so we are all clear though - the "build up" is 100% media driven and not driven by Wests Tigers. Tigers didn't officially announce the review, it was leaked to the media. It's normal to review operations after a badly failed season, and naturally for the 3-year coach, his ongoing involvement would be part of that review.

However 100% of the content between the public becoming aware of the review, and the outcome of the review, is pure media-driven circus of speculation, with a significant number of commentators and typically none of them got the story right.

When we all take a step back from the hysteria, the club conducted an internal review, the Board were made recommendations and their ultimate decision was to retain Madge. It would not be weird for some of the Board members to have been in favour of sacking Madge - same as some fans were. The players don't even come back to training for 6 weeks, there's no time lost.

I agree with your post. I guess my perspective is that the build up was more the differences of opinion within the forum going around in circles (years in the making) coming to a head because there was an opportunity to “change direction”. Personally I’ve always thought that the best long term strategy was to stick with Madge. Unfortunately the differences of opinion on here will continue to boil over until we start winning. Even then it probably won’t be enough.

The arguments will then be about making finals consistently, then about winning finals, then about winning comps. Arguably Eels fans are as dissatisfied right now as Tigers fans are, Knights fans too.

Ungrateful bastards

 

[hobbo1]

Fans r folding

…..ded

 

[tig_prmz]

The arguments will then be about making finals consistently, then about winning finals, then about winning comps. Arguably Eels fans are as dissatisfied right now as Tigers fans are, Knights fans too.

Completely different types of frustrations though. Knights are underachieving and so are Eels to a point. They've got a core that can put them close to a premiership. We on the other hand have not had a single good year for 10 years, no prospects in signing and an overall perception of a failing club.

 

[innsaneink]

>posted yesterday

Link?

No idea where I read it or whrebin here it is.... F
@tiger_one

Hi - this is the article about Pathways development from yesterday (if that's the link you are referring to:

Wests Tigers seeking interest for junior pathways performance roles

Author
Wests Tigers
Timestamp
Fri 17 Sep 2021, 02:26 PM

Wests Tigers are currently seeking expressions of interest for several junior representative pathways performance roles with Balmain Tigers and Western Suburbs Magpies in the 2022 season.

Following on from the strength of the club’s pathways program in 2021, the club is determined to continue its recent growth in its junior representative teams by adding talented and qualified staff in the areas of rehabilitation and physiotherapy, strength and conditioning, sports science and nutrition.

Wests Tigers pathways programs will be boosted by the new Macarthur Conference Competition in 2022, which will see Wests Tigers Macarthur Junior Rugby League, Group 6 Junior Rugby League and Group 6 Senior Rugby League, all play in combined competitions from U/13’s to first-grade next year — further building the foundation for future growth in the area and pathways through to Wests Tigers.

Despite having consecutive seasons affected by COVID, Wests Tigers Macarthur and Group 6 competitions enjoyed a healthy rise in participants throughout the year by almost ten percent, with the biggest improvement in the 13 to 15-year-old range.

As the 2022 season approaches, the club’s annual Brydens Lawyers Wests Tigers Academy continues to operate virtually with a digital execution of the weekly programs for the club’s elite juniors. The elite group of U/17’s and U/19’s players from Balmain, Wests and Group 6 regions started the annual academy at the beginning of June prior to lockdown restrictions before adjusting the program to virtual platforms throughout August and September. A select number of those players will then transition into the 2022 pre-season in November with Wests Tigers as well as their respective junior representative commitments.

For more information about the club’s pathways programs or the junior pathways performance roles available, email pathways@weststigers.com.au.

Is this what theyre talking about in todays statement?

''In addition, the club has also confirmed several structural and procedural changes will take effect within the football department''

 

[jirskyr]

Time will tell whether the line drawn in the sand was the right one. I'm glad a decision has at least been made, but I'm very dubious whether the changes the WT will implement across its football department will result in improved performances.

I still don't think Madge is the right guy to get the most of this squad - unless there is some miraculous (and I mean that in every sense of the word) change in attitude next season, we're bringing home the spoon. New assistant coaches may provide some benefit, but I think the board, and the entire structure of the board needs to change.

The bigger issues of recruitment rest with Madge and Hartigan, and I'm far from convinced we're going to improve in this regard. I still don't think we've hit rock bottom yet, and that worries me.

I think we'll come 8th.

 

[Tiger5150]

The arguments will then be about making finals consistently, then about winning finals, then about winning comps. Arguably Eels fans are as dissatisfied right now as Tigers fans are, Knights fans too.

Completely different types of frustrations though. ***Knights are underachieving*** and so are Eels to a point. They've got a core that can put them close to a premiership. We on the other hand have not had a single good year for 10 years, no prospects in signing and an overall perception of a failing club.

I actually think Knights over achieved, basically on the back of Ponga.

 

[jirskyr]

The arguments will then be about making finals consistently, then about winning finals, then about winning comps. Arguably Eels fans are as dissatisfied right now as Tigers fans are, Knights fans too.

Completely different types of frustrations though. Knights are underachieving and so are Eels to a point. They've got a core that can put them close to a premiership. We on the other hand have not had a single good year for 10 years, no prospects in signing and an overall perception of a failing club.

Yeah but once we start making finals with some regularity the expectations will change.

 

[jirskyr]

Hope all the anti-Madge folks get all the rants out of their system these next few days, all in here, go for your life... but get it out of your system because there's at least another 6 months of Madge in charge no matter what happens.

 

[rihannafan1]

Madge's position is already untenable.... if the board is split on the decision he should go.

A well run club would not proceed with a coach that half the board want gone, he would be gone end of story, but I did say well run club.

So then how do you read the situation if the board is split on who they replace him with?

I read it as they want Ciraldo, but they are wetting their pants with all the bad media and are second guessing what punting Madge will look like in the media.
A well run club would have another coach lined up, maybe they have I don't know, but they would announce Madge is gone and they thank him but are now moving in another direction.
I just can't see how Madge can stay knowing there are half the board or more who want him sacked, it's untenable now

If they want ciraldo they can just sack madge and say their doing their " due process "

And if Ciraldo falls through? As if that wouldn’t make the media.

You mean if Ciraldo backs out of his agreement with the club? There's way too much smoke for there not to be a fire.

He may have signed a heads of agreement…

haha what a farce that Heads of Agreement comment from Lee was.

Not really, it prevented JAC from signing on with someone else for 2021.

Okay but he still didn't sign with us and is still going where he wanted to.

I know I feel all warm and fuzzy knowing the heads of agreement kept JAC at Melbourne for another year.
What an achievement for our club hey?

Some just can't bare to see how garbage our management is mate.

Some can't bear it but @jirskyr certainly can.

 

[Guest]

Sacked to saved in 6 hours: How ‘circus act’ Tigers flipped on Maguire

JAMES HOOPER from Fox Sports
September 21st, 2021 6:23 pm


On Monday morning word went around the Wests Tigers were preparing to read Michael Maguire his last rites as head coach at the club.

An email was sent informing board members about a 4pm meeting and a statement was drafted confirming Madge was no longer to be the Wests Tigers coach.

At 2.30pm Maguire fronted the Wests Tigers football committee charged with determining the fate of the head coach to plead his case via Zoom.

Whatever Maguire said to under pressure CEO Justin Pascoe, chairman Lee Hagipantelis and board members Simon Cook, Rick Wayde and Danny Stapleton, the pitch worked.

Because in the space of six hours Madge went from being out the door at Concord immediately to being the club’s head coach for a fourth straight season.

The 4pm board meeting was then cancelled as the football committee mulled over Maguire’s admission of his own shortcomings and his vision for 2022.

There were promises made about a complete overhaul of the Tigers football department.

By Tuesday morning the club was drafting an entirely different statement confirming Madge had survived the internal football club review and will remain Wests Tigers coach for 2022.

Head of football performance Tim Sheens has since been informed he will move into a football coaching director role sitting on top of the NRL side.

The sole casualty out of the all-encompassing internal review?

Assistant coach Wayne Collins. Yep, “Snoopy” is the only member of the Wests Tigers coaching staff who is gone for 2022. For now.

One of rugby league’s genuine good guys, it says everything about those who sit in the Tigers front office.

In the statement released on Tuesday Pascoe said: “We are firmly committed to building a high performing club. With our strong financial position, increased investment and recent success of our pathways teams, the new centre of excellence and continued work on a South West academy, the arrival of Tim Sheens and his experience in NRL systems, this club is posed to reap the rewards of several years of hard work.”

Firstly, we think he means “poised” to reap – not posed (SIC).

More importantly, Tigers members and fans are fed-up with the model diagrams of the Centre of Excellence and the corporate mumbo jumbo quotes.

During Pascoe’s six-year tenure, Wests Tigers have failed to make the finals every single season.

In the past three years, they’ve gone backwards.

Fans couldn’t care about the off-field success of the business when the on-field results are a road to nowhere.

Sheens, 71, is the great hope of the side to fix the mess.

The first immediate challenge will be trying to intelligently spend the $1.6 million the club still has out of its $9.3 million salary cap for next year.

The Tigers still have four spots available on the club’s NRL roster with the challenge of signing players one of the biggest pitfalls of Maguire’s tenure.

Joe Ofahengaue, James Tamou, BJ Leilua and James Roberts have hardly turned the club’s fortunes around.

Jackson Hastings and Oliver Gildart arrive from the UK Super League shortly but aside from that the Tigers are rolling into 2022 with a roster widely-regarded as simply not up to NRL standard.

Tigers power brokers have guaranteed they will refrain from giving Maguire a six to eight week deadline and will instead push all-in on Madge for next year.

But how would you know what might happen if there’s another 66-16 debacle like what we witnessed against the Melbourne Storm on the Sunshine Coast.

Sheens will be a genius if he can improve the perception of the club amongst the remaining 15 NRL sides.

Because from an outside perspective the Wests Tigers are a complete circus act.

After the last 48 hours, all that’s remaining is for the club to bring out the bearded lady.

 

[Tiger5150]

Madge's position is already untenable.... if the board is split on the decision he should go.

A well run club would not proceed with a coach that half the board want gone, he would be gone end of story, but I did say well run club.

So then how do you read the situation if the board is split on who they replace him with?

I read it as they want Ciraldo, but they are wetting their pants with all the bad media and are second guessing what punting Madge will look like in the media.
A well run club would have another coach lined up, maybe they have I don't know, but they would announce Madge is gone and they thank him but are now moving in another direction.
I just can't see how Madge can stay knowing there are half the board or more who want him sacked, it's untenable now

If they want ciraldo they can just sack madge and say their doing their " due process "

And if Ciraldo falls through? As if that wouldn’t make the media.

You mean if Ciraldo backs out of his agreement with the club? There's way too much smoke for there not to be a fire.

He may have signed a heads of agreement…

haha what a farce that Heads of Agreement comment from Lee was.

Not really, it prevented JAC from signing on with someone else for 2021.

Okay but he still didn't sign with us and is still going where he wanted to.

I know I feel all warm and fuzzy knowing the heads of agreement kept JAC at Melbourne for another year.
What an achievement for our club hey?

Some just can't bare to see how garbage our management is mate.

Some can't bear it but @jirskyr certainly can.

This place needs to move away from the personal attacks. On what basis is it necessary to make personal attacks?

 

[jirskyr]

Madge's position is already untenable.... if the board is split on the decision he should go.

A well run club would not proceed with a coach that half the board want gone, he would be gone end of story, but I did say well run club.

So then how do you read the situation if the board is split on who they replace him with?

I read it as they want Ciraldo, but they are wetting their pants with all the bad media and are second guessing what punting Madge will look like in the media.
A well run club would have another coach lined up, maybe they have I don't know, but they would announce Madge is gone and they thank him but are now moving in another direction.
I just can't see how Madge can stay knowing there are half the board or more who want him sacked, it's untenable now

If they want ciraldo they can just sack madge and say their doing their " due process "

And if Ciraldo falls through? As if that wouldn’t make the media.

You mean if Ciraldo backs out of his agreement with the club? There's way too much smoke for there not to be a fire.

He may have signed a heads of agreement…

haha what a farce that Heads of Agreement comment from Lee was.

Not really, it prevented JAC from signing on with someone else for 2021.

Okay but he still didn't sign with us and is still going where he wanted to.

I know I feel all warm and fuzzy knowing the heads of agreement kept JAC at Melbourne for another year.
What an achievement for our club hey?

Some just can't bare to see how garbage our management is mate.

Some can't bear it but @jirskyr certainly can.

Yeah I'm not that fussed.

 

[TigerJunior4]

I’ve just read the SMH report and what struck me as weird was the concern from the board that there needed to be greater connection between the club and the football department.

From the chairs and CEO’s previous communication, it seems the separation between the football department and club was intentional given Pascoe and the board has no football intelligence. I remember at the start of this review the chair laying the blame on the football department and going to painstaking lengths to praise the financial performance of the front office. It’s hypocritical bs that the board have laid the blame at Madge’s feet for the org structure and delineation of duties and responsibilities and that’s coming from someone who wanted Madge gone.

This is just one example of mixed messaging and diabolical communication from the club. I remember when Taylor got sacked, the club refused to acknowledge he was the wrong choice (clearly he was), the Pangai Jnr situation was embarrassing and unprofessional and yesterday’s cancelled board meeting was just a train wreck from start to finish. Communication may seem like a minor detail but poor communication creates uncertainty and an unstable working environment. It makes us seem outwardly unprofessional and chaotic, and degrades our integrity. Also it points to deeper issues of a lack of strategic direction both on and off the field.

Sorry for the long-winded rant guys I’ve just never been more disappointed and ashamed of the club.

Why was the cancelled board meeting embarrassing?

I find it embarrassing because it was a knee-jerk reaction to media reports and another back-flip by the club. It makes the board look spineless and indecisive because they can’t make a decision and allow that decision to be scrutinised. No matter what field you’re in any decision will likely be criticised but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be decisive. It just means that you should have the rationale and evidence to augment any decisions/stance. This seems lost on the board.

Madge presented to the Football committee yesterday and the board decided to think on it over night, it doesn't mean there was a backflip.

I felt the board lost their nerve after criticism from the media. I get the board needed to consider Madge’s response but I can’t see how Madge’s response would have differed that greatly to the commentary/feedback he gave during the review process.

Based on?

Doesnt Occams Razor and the known facts all point towards the board/club actually doing things properly?

Doing things right like missing the finals the past ten years? Can you point to anything the board is actually doing right?

 

[jirskyr]

Madge's position is already untenable.... if the board is split on the decision he should go.

A well run club would not proceed with a coach that half the board want gone, he would be gone end of story, but I did say well run club.

So then how do you read the situation if the board is split on who they replace him with?

I read it as they want Ciraldo, but they are wetting their pants with all the bad media and are second guessing what punting Madge will look like in the media.
A well run club would have another coach lined up, maybe they have I don't know, but they would announce Madge is gone and they thank him but are now moving in another direction.
I just can't see how Madge can stay knowing there are half the board or more who want him sacked, it's untenable now

If they want ciraldo they can just sack madge and say their doing their " due process "

And if Ciraldo falls through? As if that wouldn’t make the media.

You mean if Ciraldo backs out of his agreement with the club? There's way too much smoke for there not to be a fire.

He may have signed a heads of agreement…

haha what a farce that Heads of Agreement comment from Lee was.

Not really, it prevented JAC from signing on with someone else for 2021.

Okay but he still didn't sign with us and is still going where he wanted to.

I know I feel all warm and fuzzy knowing the heads of agreement kept JAC at Melbourne for another year.
What an achievement for our club hey?

Some just can't bare to see how garbage our management is mate.

Some can't bear it but @jirskyr certainly can.

This place needs to move away from the personal attacks. On what basis is it necessary to make personal attacks?

Gal loves it, loves chasing me around the forum.

 

[TigerJunior4]

I’ve just read the SMH report and what struck me as weird was the concern from the board that there needed to be greater connection between the club and the football department.

From the chairs and CEO’s previous communication, it seems the separation between the football department and club was intentional given Pascoe and the board has no football intelligence. I remember at the start of this review the chair laying the blame on the football department and going to painstaking lengths to praise the financial performance of the front office. It’s hypocritical bs that the board have laid the blame at Madge’s feet for the org structure and delineation of duties and responsibilities and that’s coming from someone who wanted Madge gone.

This is just one example of mixed messaging and diabolical communication from the club. I remember when Taylor got sacked, the club refused to acknowledge he was the wrong choice (clearly he was), the Pangai Jnr situation was embarrassing and unprofessional and yesterday’s cancelled board meeting was just a train wreck from start to finish. Communication may seem like a minor detail but poor communication creates uncertainty and an unstable working environment. It makes us seem outwardly unprofessional and chaotic, and degrades our integrity. Also it points to deeper issues of a lack of strategic direction both on and off the field.

Sorry for the long-winded rant guys I’ve just never been more disappointed and ashamed of the club.

It has been written by Michael Chammas, the same guy who has been running an agenda against Madge for months and lying for a week.

Doesn’t change the inconsistent stances and messages coming out of the club.