Meyer: cambo has once last chance

@GNR4LIFE said:
6,500 fans turned out to watch Wests Tigers Vs. Nth QLD at Campbelltown Sports Stadium on Saturday night 12th April. 6,456 to be exact. The supposed heartland; the so-called long-term future of the Joint Venture entity. The highflying Tigers are currently sitting second on the Telstra Premiership ladder, having won 4 of their first 6 Premiership games in 2014\. All of those wins, Wests have displayed a confident, free flowing attack and a no fear approach in defence which has troubled their opposition providing great entertainment for their fans.

But where are their fans? A week ago, Wests Tigers saw 16,000 plus fans cram into Leichhardt Oval to watch their team comprehensively defeat Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles. Wests have been the underdogs in all of their games this year and keep coming up trumps, defeating Manly, Souths, Gold Coast and Nth QLD. Success usually brings the fans out of the woodwork, as they dust off their Black, White and Gold and attend games, especially fixtures at their traditional home grounds of Leichhardt and Campbelltown.

Although, Wests officials were scratching their heads at where the other 10,000 plus fans were only 6 days earlier. Something just is not adding up. A winning team, sitting high in the Top 4, star players and young guns in amazing form, taking on Rugby League royalty in names like Jonathan Thurston and rep stars in Scott, Tamou, Sims, Tate etc. One would assume Campbelltown should have been packed to the rafters, but on the contrary, it was a ghost town.

The Campbelltown-Macarthur municipality is one of the largest growth regions in NSW, housing a population of approximately 500,000, with more growth projected. A boundary that starts at Liverpool and stretches all the way to the Southern Highlands. This is Wests Tigers backyard. Not only do they have such a vast region at its disposal, they have a junior nursery that all NRL Clubs would kill for. Yet, 6456 fans rocked up at Campbelltown to watch their NRL representative side.

Why? Well let’s address the obvious. Not everyone who lives in the South-West of Sydney is a Wests Tigers fan. Many would already have a pre-existing club they barrack for. Wests Tigers have known this fact for 15 years, and their target has been the next generation, attracting and appealing to the kids, the juniors, the youth to become fans and members moving forward. So how do you grow support for the Wests Tigers brand and club?

Then there’s the segmentation in membership. 15 years on, and there is still ill feeling between the factional supporter bases of Balmain and Western Suburbs. Whilst the inhabitants, populations and overall demography of the inner west of Sydney, specifically centred around the Balmain region no longer support Rugby League, many old Tigers fans who live west of Homebush still make the nostalgic trip to Leichhardt, yet refuse to travel down the Hume Hwy and M5 to Campbelltown, due to the attitude that its “not our home ground”.

Tigers officials seem to think they are doing enough, but it is crystal clear they are not. Be it through a lack of effort, engagement or just resting on their laurels, thinking success will bring the fans back. Sadly, it won’t and the proof is in the pudding. Since 2011, crowds have been on the steady decline.. The community along with old Western Suburbs fans have been disenfranchised through a severe lack of equality along with an extreme lack of presence in the area, coupled by a strong dominance of Black and Gold across playing strip, merchandise, marketing and promotion of the club, link and association by media which often associates Wests Tigers as Balmain.

Add to the fact the Joint Venture Club is located some 60km away from the Macarthur region and only fronts up 4 times a year. Ask any resident if they truly believe Wests Tigers is really representing the area and its community. Wests CEO Grant Mayer made some stunning comments after the Tigers thrilling victory against the Cowboys, stating that fans and the community of the Macarthur region have one final throw of the dice to turn up otherwise Wests Tigers will play even less games at Campbelltown Sports Stadium.

Personally, a threat such as that which is an aggressive approach is not the right way to go about winning back a disgruntled area and fan base. It is a poor approach and a reactive attitude from a management perspective. Yes, it is disappointing. Yes it hurts the club financially, who made a loss due to the poor patronage that walked through the turnstiles. But what would have been a better a approach would have been Mayer coming out and saying we are going to work harder to engage the fans, the community and show them we are committed to calling the South-West our home.

Turning up 4 times a year and having a merchandise outlet in the region is not going to do the trick. Neither will the odd coaching clinic or player appearance. The region wants its own team. Its own representative team that is playing for its area. And it deserves it. The demographics; the logistics; the infrastructure all support this reasoning. Not a club that turns up casually several times a year and demands people turn up to watch them go round. Wests Tigers are either extremely naïve or are just blatantly ignorant.

I respect that it is difficult to balance commercial incentives and being present and visible in your region. But Penrith and Parramatta, two other Western Sydney based teams have managed to make it work. Can you imagine if the Panthers abandoned Penrith, or the Eels Parramatta, only to turn up 3-4 times a season? What do you think their respective communities and locals would be thinking?

Further to Mayer’s comments, the figurehead stated that the club would be offering $10 dollar tickets to their next home game at Campbelltown; a fixture that is being promoted as a 15 year anniversary game, which saw Wests take on Brisbane back in 2000, the first game as a Joint Venture Club. Do Wests Tigers really think throw cheap tickets at the area again, will be enough to entice them to turn up? The Tigers are taking the community as forgiving, gullible mugs.

The club has neglected the area for 15 years. That is the crux of this entire issue. Wests Tigers now face a momentous task of trying to win their community of the South-West of Sydney back. But if last night’s attendance was anything to go by, I fear no amount of games; no amount of player appearances, clinics and other initiatives in the area will make a dent in the hearts and minds of the region. Enough is enough. They have made up their mind. Years and years of being treated with utter contempt has taken its toll and fermented to the surface and it is evident to see.

Will Wests Tigers, their CEO and Board roll their sleeves up and work hard with the community to try and bring them back to the club? Or will this now provide ammunition for the club to take more games to ANZ Stadium in return for a positive, guaranteed financial return? From a commercial viewpoint, the Joint Venture would prefer to be making money and generating revenue. The Joint Venture’s financial problems are well documented and have been made aware to all. They have been bailed out by the NRL due to the Balmain Tigers being unable to financially contribute to the Joint Venture for a number of years. So the easy option would be to just reallocate Campbelltown fixtures to Sydney Olympic Park.

It is a sad and sorry state of affairs, but the only fingers that should be being pointed in regards to blame is wholly and solely at Wests Tigers. They have alienated old Magpie supporters through the perceived lack of inequality in an entity the Western Suburbs Group co-own; and now their own community of the South-West has had a proverbial gutful of their idea of commitment to the region. Everyone in Rugby League acknowledges the importance the South-West of Sydney has to the game. Hence why it was highlighted as a vital key in securing the corridor as Rugby League territory way back in the 1980s.

Western Suburbs Magpies relocated from Lidcombe to Leumeah way back in 1987 to ensure their future in Rugby League. The commercial realities bite the Magpies hard in 1999 who sought to extend their life in the NRL as a Joint Venture. One of the major reasons why Western Suburbs explored the avenue of a Joint Venture was mainly due to not wanting to see the Macarthur region without a strong Rugby League presence and to ensure the region continued to have ‘their own team’. 15 years on, the Campbelltown-Macarthur area has anything but their own representative NRL team to call their own. Instead they get an inner city based franchise they strolls down the M5 four times a year claiming they are the side, the team, the club that epitomies Rugby League in the South-West of Sydney.

But don’t tell Wests Tigers that. They are apparently ‘doing enough’. If the Tigers won’t service and show the Macarthur region the commitment it solemnly deserves, perhaps its time to give it to an NRL club that will. Neglect your region and it will respond in kind. Rather than a story explaining “How the west was won” this is more along the lines of a tragedy of “How the west was lost”

http://dwatsonhayes.wordpress.com/2014/04/13/a-region-neglected-how-the-west-was-lost-nrl-itsmylife-2560-rugbyleague/

DWH or Gobbs as he was known on here is another bitching little sook.

Always painted himself as a WT man but reality is it was all utter BS. Look at his FB account terms like "can't wait for them to die off" "bring in the WA Magpies" etc etc.

Worked with Wests Ashfield but saw that they were committed to the Wests Tigers and has followed Craig bellamy's sock puppet (Roy Masters) in following Melbourne.
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Now apart from my contempt for that pathetic individual to address the article I cannot help but notice now he glosses over the fact that the area had a team, a solely focussed team which they also didn't support and was no longer a viable entity.

This myth that the Macarthur will accept a full time team and thrive is just that, a myth.

Adding the extra game to each of our traditional homes was a move I applauded and welcomed with open arm. In retrospect Humpty's pandering on this issue is the reason the club operated at a loss and threw us into this deep financial chasm.

We need to go back to a 6 - 3 - 3 split.

Neith Leichhardt or Campbelltown provides the financial stability required to run a NRL franchise. It is the reason neither club would have survived and the very reason we merged in the first place.

To be honest if it meant all the bleating and complaining would stop I would happily to to that soulless concrete tip in Homebush 12 home games a year.

Over it
 
You guys are such suckers, Mayer was just trolling for a reaction from the fans.

What do you do if the crowds are disappointing?
1) Review pricing structure = done
2) Review advertising and media presence = done but could do more
3) You go hard-line and challenge/shame the fans to be there.

If the crowd was 10,000, that still isn't a great crowd, but there wouldn't have been much comment passed, except maybe on this forum.

But with 6K and a kick up the pants, it's all over the media and 13 pages long thread already. Let's see if the crowd doesn't dramatically improve next game and the CEO has used a tool at his disposal.

Leichhardt has had rubbish crowds before, it's been well covered, they've challenged the Leichhardt attendees too.
 
Moving to homebush isnt the answer, fans are… fill our suburbans and we can make ANZ cash plus, packed out stadiums means better advertising and sponsorships... 20k at homebush looks like 12 people at Leichardt. Just move for game cash is stupid, more fans more merchandise even...

This brand has been pissed up the wall. Selling ourselves to the highest bidder is not the answer. If the club is in any way serious they should have already audited itself across all departments, and be on top of this sort of issue... yet our mob cannot even get memberships out at a professional standard, housewives on ebay can do it better.
 
If we relied on LO & CSS attendances WT would have been out the door years ago.

When Noyce signed the first ANZ Stadium deal we were essentially done for if we couldn't get that deal finalised. NRL did not have the funds to bail out and Wests Ashfield & Balmain Leagues were not in a position to either
 
I would imagine that having an average season attendance of 16,000 would equate to 80-90% home fans, say 14,000\. But that is not the same 14,000 turning up to every single home game. Say 25% of the crowd turn up to 12 home games a year, or 3,500 people.
Then a further 25% of the crowd turn up to 6 home games.
Then a further 25% of the crowd turn up to 3 home games.
And the remaining 25% turn up to only 1 game per year.

That would mean that some 66,500 fans had attended at least 1 game during the year.

Of those fans who don't attend every single game, they make a decision about which game to go to, and which to skip. Which ground is the game at? Which team they love to see play against? Which day or time is most convenient? What their membership package entitles them to? How the weather forecast looks? How excited they are to see their team in good form? What ever reason, it is valid to them, and it is their right to make that decision.

Come finals time, a pretty high proportion of those 66,500 fans would be clamouring for tickets. But on an average weekend, it still comes back to that 16,000 average. And obviously not every game will get that 16,000 average.

As others have pointed out, there has been talk for many years of the 'magic of Leichhardt Oval on a Sunday afternoon'. This is something real, which our club should do its best to take advantage of. Last year we saw exactly what happens when games at Leichhardt are not on Sunday afternoons, though. The magic was definitely not there. Attendance data, year on year, show that apart from Sunday afternoons, crowds at Leichhardt are pretty poor too.

This year, we are lucky enough to get all 4 Leichhardt games on Sunday afternoons. Crowds would be expected to be fantastic, thanks to this.

But what to do about Campbelltown? I just don't have the answers for that. The region feels neglected, rightly or wrongly. The club seems to be making at least some effort to connect with the region (the trial game, holiday clinics, appearances at shops, etc). Can the club do more? Will more be enough?
 
I went to the game, it did rain & I believe the crowd was larger than when we played penrith last year (9000+)
There was heaps of atmosphere, heaps of noise, so I assume those that are carrying on were too lazy to get out to the game.
As someone said, if we had 16000 at our "spiritual home" where were they last night.
Obviously balmain supporters, not wests tigers. Good to see you've got over the merger. :bash :bash
I am a cambo-ite out on weekend release, as suggested by one wanker, :crazy :crazy so I go to all the cambo games & yes I do make it to some Leichhardt & ANZ games. Gee that sounds like what a WESTS TIGER supporter would do.

Anyway, I have a conspiracy theory….... :righton:
When I flashed my card at the gates last night, they said don't worry about scanning it! So that's why the numbers where down.
When I got home, my wife said that it looked like a big crowd.
 
@smeghead said:
@GNR4LIFE said:
6,500 fans turned out to watch Wests Tigers Vs. Nth QLD at Campbelltown Sports Stadium on Saturday night 12th April. 6,456 to be exact. The supposed heartland; the so-called long-term future of the Joint Venture entity. The highflying Tigers are currently sitting second on the Telstra Premiership ladder, having won 4 of their first 6 Premiership games in 2014\. All of those wins, Wests have displayed a confident, free flowing attack and a no fear approach in defence which has troubled their opposition providing great entertainment for their fans.

But where are their fans? A week ago, Wests Tigers saw 16,000 plus fans cram into Leichhardt Oval to watch their team comprehensively defeat Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles. Wests have been the underdogs in all of their games this year and keep coming up trumps, defeating Manly, Souths, Gold Coast and Nth QLD. Success usually brings the fans out of the woodwork, as they dust off their Black, White and Gold and attend games, especially fixtures at their traditional home grounds of Leichhardt and Campbelltown.

Although, Wests officials were scratching their heads at where the other 10,000 plus fans were only 6 days earlier. Something just is not adding up. A winning team, sitting high in the Top 4, star players and young guns in amazing form, taking on Rugby League royalty in names like Jonathan Thurston and rep stars in Scott, Tamou, Sims, Tate etc. One would assume Campbelltown should have been packed to the rafters, but on the contrary, it was a ghost town.

The Campbelltown-Macarthur municipality is one of the largest growth regions in NSW, housing a population of approximately 500,000, with more growth projected. A boundary that starts at Liverpool and stretches all the way to the Southern Highlands. This is Wests Tigers backyard. Not only do they have such a vast region at its disposal, they have a junior nursery that all NRL Clubs would kill for. Yet, 6456 fans rocked up at Campbelltown to watch their NRL representative side.

Why? Well let’s address the obvious. Not everyone who lives in the South-West of Sydney is a Wests Tigers fan. Many would already have a pre-existing club they barrack for. Wests Tigers have known this fact for 15 years, and their target has been the next generation, attracting and appealing to the kids, the juniors, the youth to become fans and members moving forward. So how do you grow support for the Wests Tigers brand and club?

Then there’s the segmentation in membership. 15 years on, and there is still ill feeling between the factional supporter bases of Balmain and Western Suburbs. Whilst the inhabitants, populations and overall demography of the inner west of Sydney, specifically centred around the Balmain region no longer support Rugby League, many old Tigers fans who live west of Homebush still make the nostalgic trip to Leichhardt, yet refuse to travel down the Hume Hwy and M5 to Campbelltown, due to the attitude that its “not our home ground”.

Tigers officials seem to think they are doing enough, but it is crystal clear they are not. Be it through a lack of effort, engagement or just resting on their laurels, thinking success will bring the fans back. Sadly, it won’t and the proof is in the pudding. Since 2011, crowds have been on the steady decline.. The community along with old Western Suburbs fans have been disenfranchised through a severe lack of equality along with an extreme lack of presence in the area, coupled by a strong dominance of Black and Gold across playing strip, merchandise, marketing and promotion of the club, link and association by media which often associates Wests Tigers as Balmain.

Add to the fact the Joint Venture Club is located some 60km away from the Macarthur region and only fronts up 4 times a year. Ask any resident if they truly believe Wests Tigers is really representing the area and its community. Wests CEO Grant Mayer made some stunning comments after the Tigers thrilling victory against the Cowboys, stating that fans and the community of the Macarthur region have one final throw of the dice to turn up otherwise Wests Tigers will play even less games at Campbelltown Sports Stadium.

Personally, a threat such as that which is an aggressive approach is not the right way to go about winning back a disgruntled area and fan base. It is a poor approach and a reactive attitude from a management perspective. Yes, it is disappointing. Yes it hurts the club financially, who made a loss due to the poor patronage that walked through the turnstiles. But what would have been a better a approach would have been Mayer coming out and saying we are going to work harder to engage the fans, the community and show them we are committed to calling the South-West our home.

Turning up 4 times a year and having a merchandise outlet in the region is not going to do the trick. Neither will the odd coaching clinic or player appearance. The region wants its own team. Its own representative team that is playing for its area. And it deserves it. The demographics; the logistics; the infrastructure all support this reasoning. Not a club that turns up casually several times a year and demands people turn up to watch them go round. Wests Tigers are either extremely naïve or are just blatantly ignorant.

I respect that it is difficult to balance commercial incentives and being present and visible in your region. But Penrith and Parramatta, two other Western Sydney based teams have managed to make it work. Can you imagine if the Panthers abandoned Penrith, or the Eels Parramatta, only to turn up 3-4 times a season? What do you think their respective communities and locals would be thinking?

Further to Mayer’s comments, the figurehead stated that the club would be offering $10 dollar tickets to their next home game at Campbelltown; a fixture that is being promoted as a 15 year anniversary game, which saw Wests take on Brisbane back in 2000, the first game as a Joint Venture Club. Do Wests Tigers really think throw cheap tickets at the area again, will be enough to entice them to turn up? The Tigers are taking the community as forgiving, gullible mugs.

The club has neglected the area for 15 years. That is the crux of this entire issue. Wests Tigers now face a momentous task of trying to win their community of the South-West of Sydney back. But if last night’s attendance was anything to go by, I fear no amount of games; no amount of player appearances, clinics and other initiatives in the area will make a dent in the hearts and minds of the region. Enough is enough. They have made up their mind. Years and years of being treated with utter contempt has taken its toll and fermented to the surface and it is evident to see.

Will Wests Tigers, their CEO and Board roll their sleeves up and work hard with the community to try and bring them back to the club? Or will this now provide ammunition for the club to take more games to ANZ Stadium in return for a positive, guaranteed financial return? From a commercial viewpoint, the Joint Venture would prefer to be making money and generating revenue. The Joint Venture’s financial problems are well documented and have been made aware to all. They have been bailed out by the NRL due to the Balmain Tigers being unable to financially contribute to the Joint Venture for a number of years. So the easy option would be to just reallocate Campbelltown fixtures to Sydney Olympic Park.

It is a sad and sorry state of affairs, but the only fingers that should be being pointed in regards to blame is wholly and solely at Wests Tigers. They have alienated old Magpie supporters through the perceived lack of inequality in an entity the Western Suburbs Group co-own; and now their own community of the South-West has had a proverbial gutful of their idea of commitment to the region. Everyone in Rugby League acknowledges the importance the South-West of Sydney has to the game. Hence why it was highlighted as a vital key in securing the corridor as Rugby League territory way back in the 1980s.

Western Suburbs Magpies relocated from Lidcombe to Leumeah way back in 1987 to ensure their future in Rugby League. The commercial realities bite the Magpies hard in 1999 who sought to extend their life in the NRL as a Joint Venture. One of the major reasons why Western Suburbs explored the avenue of a Joint Venture was mainly due to not wanting to see the Macarthur region without a strong Rugby League presence and to ensure the region continued to have ‘their own team’. 15 years on, the Campbelltown-Macarthur area has anything but their own representative NRL team to call their own. Instead they get an inner city based franchise they strolls down the M5 four times a year claiming they are the side, the team, the club that epitomies Rugby League in the South-West of Sydney.

But don’t tell Wests Tigers that. They are apparently ‘doing enough’. If the Tigers won’t service and show the Macarthur region the commitment it solemnly deserves, perhaps its time to give it to an NRL club that will. Neglect your region and it will respond in kind. Rather than a story explaining “How the west was won” this is more along the lines of a tragedy of “How the west was lost”

http://dwatsonhayes.wordpress.com/2014/04/13/a-region-neglected-how-the-west-was-lost-nrl-itsmylife-2560-rugbyleague/

DWH or Gobbs as he was known on here is another [automatically edited] little sook.

Always painted himself as a WT man but reality is it was all utter BS. Look at his FB account terms like "can't wait for them to die off" "bring in the WA Magpies" etc etc.

Worked with Wests Ashfield but saw that they were committed to the Wests Tigers and has followed Craig bellamy's sock puppet (Roy Masters) in following Melbourne.
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Now apart from my contempt for that pathetic individual to address the article I cannot help but notice now he glosses over the fact that the area had a team, a solely focussed team which they also didn't support and was no longer a viable entity.

This myth that the Macarthur will accept a full time team and thrive is just that, a myth.

Adding the extra game to each of our traditional homes was a move I applauded and welcomed with open arm. In retrospect Humpty's pandering on this issue is the reason the club operated at a loss and threw us into this deep financial chasm.

We need to go back to a 6 - 3 - 3 split.

Neith Leichhardt or Campbelltown provides the financial stability required to run a NRL franchise. It is the reason neither club would have survived and the very reason we merged in the first place.

To be honest if it meant all the bleating and complaining would stop I would happily to to that soulless concrete tip in Homebush 12 home games a year.

Over it

Im over it completely. Only posting to say thanks for pointing out the author of that article.

Written by someone who has never had genuinely wanted the club to succeed, in this case the article has a clear agenda to divide and destroy.

Cheers Smeg.
 
I watched the game online (don't blame me for not attending I live in WA FFS) and the noise the crowd made sounded like a lot more than 6.5K.
 
Gobb's article, i thought there were parts of it where i saw truth, but there were others where he took things too far, like a lot of the old Black and White brigade tend to do. I don't believe the answer is to base themselves in C-town and play 12 games a yr (will never happen) but there has to be a happy medium where they need to do more then they are doing atm. They need to go back to the drawing board and work out to get the fans onside.
 
I know this might sound stupid, and sorry if it has been said before…..but what if the crowd figure was wrong?

I have been a WT member since 2004 and have been to every home game at Leichhardt, Campbelltown, SFS ... where ever ..... and I seriously believe the crowd I saw there on Saturday night was bigger than 6500.

Significantly bigger for that matter. I was expecting something in the area of 9000 - 10 000 to be posted as the crowd.

That crowd figure is so small that I think an error has been made. Does anyone check it?

How do we know that all technology worked as expected, for instance?

I truly hope Mayer et al have not gone off too early in putting Campbelltown on notice as a future venue.

That said though, as a platinum member, I can tell you there were plenty of empty seats in the members' section of the Western stand. So before we start casting doubts on the punters of South-West Sydney and their commitment to the Tigers, maybe we need to look closer to home!
 
ive been seeing heaps of people reporting that their members tickets were not scanned at the gates. NRL crowed figures are taken from what ever is scanned at the gates.

The crowd looked MUCH bigger than 6500.

Something is wrong here and I think its the technology.
 
My friend and I were stunned when they mentioned the crowd figure. We thought there were much more than 6500 people. It looked like there was 10000-11000 fans there.
 
@smeghead said:
@GNR4LIFE said:
6,500 fans turned out to watch Wests Tigers Vs. Nth QLD at Campbelltown Sports Stadium on Saturday night 12th April. 6,456 to be exact. The supposed heartland; the so-called long-term future of the Joint Venture entity. The highflying Tigers are currently sitting second on the Telstra Premiership ladder, having won 4 of their first 6 Premiership games in 2014\. All of those wins, Wests have displayed a confident, free flowing attack and a no fear approach in defence which has troubled their opposition providing great entertainment for their fans.

But where are their fans? A week ago, Wests Tigers saw 16,000 plus fans cram into Leichhardt Oval to watch their team comprehensively defeat Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles. Wests have been the underdogs in all of their games this year and keep coming up trumps, defeating Manly, Souths, Gold Coast and Nth QLD. Success usually brings the fans out of the woodwork, as they dust off their Black, White and Gold and attend games, especially fixtures at their traditional home grounds of Leichhardt and Campbelltown.

Although, Wests officials were scratching their heads at where the other 10,000 plus fans were only 6 days earlier. Something just is not adding up. A winning team, sitting high in the Top 4, star players and young guns in amazing form, taking on Rugby League royalty in names like Jonathan Thurston and rep stars in Scott, Tamou, Sims, Tate etc. One would assume Campbelltown should have been packed to the rafters, but on the contrary, it was a ghost town.

The Campbelltown-Macarthur municipality is one of the largest growth regions in NSW, housing a population of approximately 500,000, with more growth projected. A boundary that starts at Liverpool and stretches all the way to the Southern Highlands. This is Wests Tigers backyard. Not only do they have such a vast region at its disposal, they have a junior nursery that all NRL Clubs would kill for. Yet, 6456 fans rocked up at Campbelltown to watch their NRL representative side.

Why? Well let’s address the obvious. Not everyone who lives in the South-West of Sydney is a Wests Tigers fan. Many would already have a pre-existing club they barrack for. Wests Tigers have known this fact for 15 years, and their target has been the next generation, attracting and appealing to the kids, the juniors, the youth to become fans and members moving forward. So how do you grow support for the Wests Tigers brand and club?

Then there’s the segmentation in membership. 15 years on, and there is still ill feeling between the factional supporter bases of Balmain and Western Suburbs. Whilst the inhabitants, populations and overall demography of the inner west of Sydney, specifically centred around the Balmain region no longer support Rugby League, many old Tigers fans who live west of Homebush still make the nostalgic trip to Leichhardt, yet refuse to travel down the Hume Hwy and M5 to Campbelltown, due to the attitude that its “not our home ground”.

Tigers officials seem to think they are doing enough, but it is crystal clear they are not. Be it through a lack of effort, engagement or just resting on their laurels, thinking success will bring the fans back. Sadly, it won’t and the proof is in the pudding. Since 2011, crowds have been on the steady decline.. The community along with old Western Suburbs fans have been disenfranchised through a severe lack of equality along with an extreme lack of presence in the area, coupled by a strong dominance of Black and Gold across playing strip, merchandise, marketing and promotion of the club, link and association by media which often associates Wests Tigers as Balmain.

Add to the fact the Joint Venture Club is located some 60km away from the Macarthur region and only fronts up 4 times a year. Ask any resident if they truly believe Wests Tigers is really representing the area and its community. Wests CEO Grant Mayer made some stunning comments after the Tigers thrilling victory against the Cowboys, stating that fans and the community of the Macarthur region have one final throw of the dice to turn up otherwise Wests Tigers will play even less games at Campbelltown Sports Stadium.

Personally, a threat such as that which is an aggressive approach is not the right way to go about winning back a disgruntled area and fan base. It is a poor approach and a reactive attitude from a management perspective. Yes, it is disappointing. Yes it hurts the club financially, who made a loss due to the poor patronage that walked through the turnstiles. But what would have been a better a approach would have been Mayer coming out and saying we are going to work harder to engage the fans, the community and show them we are committed to calling the South-West our home.

Turning up 4 times a year and having a merchandise outlet in the region is not going to do the trick. Neither will the odd coaching clinic or player appearance. The region wants its own team. Its own representative team that is playing for its area. And it deserves it. The demographics; the logistics; the infrastructure all support this reasoning. Not a club that turns up casually several times a year and demands people turn up to watch them go round. Wests Tigers are either extremely naïve or are just blatantly ignorant.

I respect that it is difficult to balance commercial incentives and being present and visible in your region. But Penrith and Parramatta, two other Western Sydney based teams have managed to make it work. Can you imagine if the Panthers abandoned Penrith, or the Eels Parramatta, only to turn up 3-4 times a season? What do you think their respective communities and locals would be thinking?

Further to Mayer’s comments, the figurehead stated that the club would be offering $10 dollar tickets to their next home game at Campbelltown; a fixture that is being promoted as a 15 year anniversary game, which saw Wests take on Brisbane back in 2000, the first game as a Joint Venture Club. Do Wests Tigers really think throw cheap tickets at the area again, will be enough to entice them to turn up? The Tigers are taking the community as forgiving, gullible mugs.

The club has neglected the area for 15 years. That is the crux of this entire issue. Wests Tigers now face a momentous task of trying to win their community of the South-West of Sydney back. But if last night’s attendance was anything to go by, I fear no amount of games; no amount of player appearances, clinics and other initiatives in the area will make a dent in the hearts and minds of the region. Enough is enough. They have made up their mind. Years and years of being treated with utter contempt has taken its toll and fermented to the surface and it is evident to see.

Will Wests Tigers, their CEO and Board roll their sleeves up and work hard with the community to try and bring them back to the club? Or will this now provide ammunition for the club to take more games to ANZ Stadium in return for a positive, guaranteed financial return? From a commercial viewpoint, the Joint Venture would prefer to be making money and generating revenue. The Joint Venture’s financial problems are well documented and have been made aware to all. They have been bailed out by the NRL due to the Balmain Tigers being unable to financially contribute to the Joint Venture for a number of years. So the easy option would be to just reallocate Campbelltown fixtures to Sydney Olympic Park.

It is a sad and sorry state of affairs, but the only fingers that should be being pointed in regards to blame is wholly and solely at Wests Tigers. They have alienated old Magpie supporters through the perceived lack of inequality in an entity the Western Suburbs Group co-own; and now their own community of the South-West has had a proverbial gutful of their idea of commitment to the region. Everyone in Rugby League acknowledges the importance the South-West of Sydney has to the game. Hence why it was highlighted as a vital key in securing the corridor as Rugby League territory way back in the 1980s.

Western Suburbs Magpies relocated from Lidcombe to Leumeah way back in 1987 to ensure their future in Rugby League. The commercial realities bite the Magpies hard in 1999 who sought to extend their life in the NRL as a Joint Venture. One of the major reasons why Western Suburbs explored the avenue of a Joint Venture was mainly due to not wanting to see the Macarthur region without a strong Rugby League presence and to ensure the region continued to have ‘their own team’. 15 years on, the Campbelltown-Macarthur area has anything but their own representative NRL team to call their own. Instead they get an inner city based franchise they strolls down the M5 four times a year claiming they are the side, the team, the club that epitomies Rugby League in the South-West of Sydney.

But don’t tell Wests Tigers that. They are apparently ‘doing enough’. If the Tigers won’t service and show the Macarthur region the commitment it solemnly deserves, perhaps its time to give it to an NRL club that will. Neglect your region and it will respond in kind. Rather than a story explaining “How the west was won” this is more along the lines of a tragedy of “How the west was lost”

http://dwatsonhayes.wordpress.com/2014/04/13/a-region-neglected-how-the-west-was-lost-nrl-itsmylife-2560-rugbyleague/

DWH or Gobbs as he was known on here is another [automatically edited] little sook.

Always painted himself as a WT man but reality is it was all utter BS. Look at his FB account terms like "can't wait for them to die off" "bring in the WA Magpies" etc etc.

Worked with Wests Ashfield but saw that they were committed to the Wests Tigers and has followed Craig bellamy's sock puppet (Roy Masters) in following Melbourne.
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Now apart from my contempt for that pathetic individual to address the article I cannot help but notice now he glosses over the fact that the area had a team, a solely focussed team which they also didn't support and was no longer a viable entity.

This myth that the Macarthur will accept a full time team and thrive is just that, a myth.

Adding the extra game to each of our traditional homes was a move I applauded and welcomed with open arm. In retrospect Humpty's pandering on this issue is the reason the club operated at a loss and threw us into this deep financial chasm.

We need to go back to a 6 - 3 - 3 split.

Neith Leichhardt or Campbelltown provides the financial stability required to run a NRL franchise. It is the reason neither club would have survived and the very reason we merged in the first place.

To be honest if it meant all the bleating and complaining would stop I would happily to to that soulless concrete tip in Homebush 12 home games a year.

Over it

Very well spotted Smeg. Best post in this thread too by the way.
 
Omg, the Balmain Tigers attract more people at Leichhardt than Campbelltown?? What a surprise!

Remember when the JV was announced it "ensured first class Rugby League at Campbelltown". Then three years later the club gave us the middle finger and said"yeah, sorry, you'll only get three games now - our bad".

There's two teams listed on the scoreboard- "home" and "visitors". At Campbelltown we have had no one but visitors play at the ground. Maybe it should become like Gosford, a place where teams play on special occasions.

With hindsight I wish the Magpies had done a "george piggins" and fought our way back in. Then we might still have a "home" team.
 
@T-D-C said:
ive been seeing heaps of people reporting that their members tickets were not scanned at the gates. NRL crowed figures are taken from what ever is scanned at the gates.

The crowd looked MUCH bigger than 6500.

Something is wrong here and I think its the technology.

Yeh…I posted a thread about it after rd 1.
My members car doesn't scan...they reckon the bar codes are stuffed on them...There are many like mine

They suggest I send it back to the club...Yeh right. .I'll never see it again
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As for Gobbs post (it's no 'article')...well we all know his true colors. ..Black and white Wi purple thrown in... bandwaggoner nothing worse than a pea hearted teamjumper
 
We saw what stupid scheduling did to Leichhardt crowd numbers last year when they played 4 Friday night games….no one turned up!...

The solution to this is very simple:

1) Play all WT ANZ home games at night. Revenue is guaranteed and the NRL should be obliged to promote these games heavily to bring in the best possible crowd,

2) Play **ALL** Leichhardt and Campbelltown games on a Sunday afternoon. Mix up the games so no venue is disadvantaged by who the opponent is,...e.g...a WT vs Penrith Sunday arvo game @ CSS will draw 20,000 easily.

Do this Mayer and I can assure you the fans will turn up at BOTH suburban grounds.
 
I believe someone that switches allegiance to another team forfeits all right to comment on anything related to their ex club.

Quit altogether and hold your tongue…but to keep coming back for little potshots now and then isn't on

I know you will read this eventually..as i know you personally, and your not a bad bloke...unfortunately your opinion
doesn't count the moment you don another clubs colours
 
@innsaneink said:
I believe someone that switches allegiance to another team forfeits all right to comment on anything related to their ex club.

Quit altogether and hold your tongue…but to keep coming back for little potshots now and then isn't on

I know you will read this eventually..as i know you personally, and your not a bad bloke...unfortunately your opinion
doesn't count the moment you don another clubs colours

Alien's another one. Hates the club with a passion and supports Souths now yet can't ever stop commenting on what this club does. He reminds me of a guy who was dumped and tries to give the impression that he's over his ex, yet he can never stop talking about her.

Go to any WT's or Balmain video on youtube and he's there with his ''Bowlmange'' comments.
 
Yep, over all this crap.

When the first WT forum was created Gobbs was alright. Obviously he's gone full retard. never go full retard (got to throw the Tropic Thunder quote in here!)

@alexaki said:
2) Play **ALL** Leichhardt and Campbelltown games on a Sunday afternoon. Mix up the games so no venue is disadvantaged by who the opponent is,…e.g...a WT vs Penrith Sunday arvo game @ CSS will draw 20,000 easily.

You do realise that early last season CSS only got 9k on a sunny sunday afternoon for a game against the panthers when we were coming off a win.

Agree that LO and CSS should primarily be focused on Sundays but we don't have full control over this. Ch 9 and Fox also have a say. And any game we play against a team which also plays home games at ANZ will be played at ANZ and not suburban grounds. Bigger attendances for all clubs involved with the reciprocal ticket arrangements. That's one of the main reason why there's fewer sydney matches to go around with the suburban grounds this season, but its fair enough really.
 
@Balmain Boy said:
Yep, over all this crap.

When the first WT forum was created Gobbs was alright. Obviously he's gone full retard. never go full retard (got to throw the Tropic Thunder quote in here!)

@alexaki said:
2) Play **ALL** Leichhardt and Campbelltown games on a Sunday afternoon. Mix up the games so no venue is disadvantaged by who the opponent is,…e.g...a WT vs Penrith Sunday arvo game @ CSS will draw 20,000 easily.

**You do realise that early last season CSS only got 9k on a sunny sunday afternoon for a game against the panthers when we were coming off a win.**

Agree that LO and CSS should primarily be focused on Sundays but we don't have full control over this. Ch 9 and Fox also have a say. And any game we play against a team which also plays home games at ANZ will be played at ANZ and not suburban grounds. Bigger attendances for all clubs involved with the reciprocal ticket arrangements. That's one of the main reason why there's fewer sydney matches to go around with the suburban grounds this season, but its fair enough really.

We were coming off a very poor loss actually.
 
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