Mitchell Pearce
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newtiger
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RSPCA might throw in a TPA.
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:roll
Spud_Murphy
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Oh wow! What a surprise!!!
Manly's secret weapon to recruit Pearce
The race is on for Mitchell Pearce's signature - and Manly have an ace up their sleeve in back-rower Curtis Sironen.
The pair played grew up together and are the best of mates, as were their dads - Tigers legends Wayne Pearce and Paul Sironen.
As kids, Mitchell and Curtis played plenty of backyard footy together - and Manly officials will use that relationship hoping to lure the Roosters star to Brookvale in 2018.
https://wwos.nine.com.au/2017/11/21/06/40/brian-smith-set-for-shock-nrl-return-with-warriors-the-mole
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Bwahahahahaha..
The race is on for Mitchell Pearce's signature - and Manly have an ace up their sleeve in back-rower Curtis Sironen.
The pair played grew up together and are the best of mates, as were their dads - Tigers legends Wayne Pearce and Paul Sironen.
As kids, Mitchell and Curtis played plenty of backyard footy together - and Manly officials will use that relationship hoping to lure the Roosters star to Brookvale in 2018.
https://wwos.nine.com.au/2017/11/21/06/40/brian-smith-set-for-shock-nrl-return-with-warriors-the-mole
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Bwahahahahaha..
Pearce would have been very good for us but N Cleary is the main game for us for a number of reasons:
It's a realistic chance of happening
He's a young genuine talent
The timing is right
I'd be angling to sign him for 5 years from 2019… He's what Brooks promised
It's a realistic chance of happening
He's a young genuine talent
The timing is right
I'd be angling to sign him for 5 years from 2019… He's what Brooks promised
Tiger_Steve
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That ad hit the airwaves about a week after the contract announcement. Coincidence- I think not!!
jirskyr
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I'd love to know where exactly the Roosters were front-loading when they came:
2013 Premiers
2014 M Premiers
2015 M Premiers
2016 15th - "the Dog year"
2017 2nd
Who exactly were they not paying to undercut the cap in those seasons, to produce $2M+ cap space in 2018? They came 2nd or better in 80% of the last 5 seasons.
I refuse to believe "the Dog year" wasn't a proper tilt at the premiership; instead it unravelled because a key player had to be sidelined. They basically had the same side as in 2017 except Keary.
And unless there is some supreme accounting at play, I refuse to believe Roosters could frontload contracts in a single poor season 2016 to the effect of opening up $2M+ cap space in 2018\. Tigers had to lose 2 x $1M players to find $2M cap space, Bulldogs had to lose some core players, but Roosters seem able to just flick some nobodies to Newcastle and reset.
Nope I don't buy any of those narratives.
hammertime
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According to Nicks article ,it was $600k front loaded from 2016\. With that, the increase in cap and the players they offloaded, I honestly don't think they would be too far off. Reportedly Cronk signed for $850k a year and ted went searching for a premiership and might have taken unders too.
They also got rid of SKD and Carter before the end of season and might have freed up a little there.
i don't find it too far fetched.
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I agree, Roosters and other like clubs are augmenting the rules. It is most likely in TPA's which is today's equivalent of the brown paper bag.
Either the NRL are too gutless to do anything about it or they are part of the problem. I have zero faith in Greenberg and strongly believe him to be a puppet of the power brokers within the NRL. As are some of the main NRL reporters.
I doubt if the NRL try very hard to catch some clubs cheating (roosters dogs broncos sharks)in particular but look out if clubs like us newie or dragons ever get caught we would get crucified by greenberg and his cronies.
Level playing field? Never going to happen too much money from powerbrokers behing certain clubs encourages cheating and cover ups
Level playing field? Never going to happen too much money from powerbrokers behing certain clubs encourages cheating and cover ups
Byron_Bay_Fan
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You all failed to add Jason to the equation - they were all threatened with reserve grade so they jumped ship. Actually I feel sorry for a few of the players being moved around like pawns on a board - as if contracts, team loyalty and where home and family are located mean nothing.
And they could be a reason why Pearce will avoid WT.
And they could be a reason why Pearce will avoid WT.
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Yet we have had the biggest turn over in recruitment with a truckload of players with NRL experience since the inception of the Club. ..go figure. .
jirskyr
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I honestly believe you are buying into the narrative that Roosters are putting out there. It's the same narrative that's trying to say the 9 or so Wyong Roos players that make up the Roosters Top 30 are on $50K each when we know what the minimum wage really is.
Roosters have been putting these narrative out for months, they start coming out through the media mouthpieces when the Roosters get serious about signing a player. At first there's nothing, then in the case of Tedesco and Cronk when it starts to get real, suddenly these articles about how the Roosters can afford players and how they'll keep their current players too, they'll all learn off each other and buy into that Sonny-Bill culture instilled in 2013… blah blah blah
I'd be ok if Roosters just came out and said the truth - we pay our players less under the cap and top it up with TPAs, because that's what I honestly believe is true. I believe the NRL are monitoring the cap properly, I believe they are fully aware of how the Roosters legally pay people, but just don't want that public until they've figured out how they are going to cap TPAs in the future. And Roosters are putting huge pressure on the NRL not to interfere with the TPAs, of course.
So no, Cronk did not reportedly sign for $850K a year, even the Roosters' own narratives have him and Tedesco down for a million bucks a piece. Because that's what they know the public will accept, even if it's really $800K salary and $250K TPAs.
Then Roosters cook the books on the lower-end players like Taukeiaho who is apparently on $150K, which is so laughable as to be ridiculous.
Who exactly have the Roosters released?
SKD mid-year
Guerra
Connor Watson
Paul Carter
Liam Knight
Kane Evans
And now Pearce. Only Guerra of those fellow would be on any kind of serious money, Carter and SKD were cut for disciplinary, Liam Knight has played 1 FG and they are counting him.
Roosters have recently extended Latrell Mitchell, Gordon, Ferguson, Ryan Matterson, Napa, Radley, Daniel Tupou, JWH.
So 6 nobodies for Tedesco... maybe. Cronk for Pearce, ok sure, a few thousand here and there.
Adding Tedesco and Cronk to the team, that came 2nd in 2018 and still having $1M left in the cap? No way.
The cap is the same for everyone. Yes there's more space, yes the salaries go up, but everyone has that same space and capacity to pay. Roosters are the only team in the comp who have added 2 x $1M players this year, and the calibre of those players as well.
The Cowboys have 2 x $1M players right now, same calibre in Thurston and Taumololo... and they've signed next to nobody. Jordan McLean and TMM on a wing and a prayer. In fact they've lost Kalyn Ponga because of the money invested in the current side. Cowboys didn't take a premiership-calibre side and then ADD Thurston and Taumololo.
Would of been a shame to delete such a long and good post for some swearing…so I edited it..
hammertime
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I'm not buying into anything. The fact they ran 2nd last year is inconsequential, we WON the comp not spending our full cap. Here's how I see it on the surface.
**Outs**
Pearce
SKD
Guerra
Connor Watson
Paul Carter
Liam Knight
Kane Evans
**+ $600k rollover
+ $2.4mil Increase in cap**
**Ins**
Tedesco
Cronk
**$1mil left**
The math looks ok to me, but there is a lot more to consider than what we know.
I'm not defending them, but you and I both don't know the full facts. Should the NRL keep a closer eye? yes. But rather than get mad, why don't we try to be more like them? As an example, when I mentioned front-loading on this forum, I got shouted down. It just shows people mentality is a bit too rigid to operate competitively like the Roosters.
We've got a loser tally-poppy attitude. We're constantly changing our mind, unstable and not willing to think of things outside the box. Our attitude as supporters has an impact, even if we don't think it does. That's why we're where we are year after year.
I'm confident the board is smarter than to just roll with popular opinion. They've done things subtly to get us to compete more like the Roosters. Shift Harry out of direct sponsorship, focus on the COE etc.
We have the wealthiest benefactor in the game, a great junior nursey and a good brand. We're stronger than we think, we just never been as smart as the Roosters. I tip my hat to them first and foremost, hope the NRL finds something…
...but what I want more so, is that we try to understand how/why they have done it and improve ourselves.
Harry still has been vetoed on private TPA's though since ceding sponsorship hasn't he?
JD Tiger
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We know how they do it. They pay most of their team very low amounts under the cap, from fringe first graders up, and top up each player's wage with "benefits", ala TPAs, like company cars, visas where the club picks up the tab, guarantees to win cash bets, et cetera. For example, I've read Teddy is on about $600/700k under the cap, and another $600/700k assured through TPAs.
It may technically be within the rules, it just makes a mockery of the whole salary cap debacle.
I don't care if they have done it legally or not, a team that runs second should not be able to pickup arguably the best fullback and halfback in the comp worth $1m each and lose only a couple of lesser players.
It's just so disheartening. Sharks were an average team, and we saw how unscrupulous their morals were in climbing the ladder, illegal payments are nothing compared to illegal animal hormones. Eels have tried, were not street-smart, got caught, but have learned to keep their mouths shut now. Panthers (as shown by Maloney) have caught on. Storm, Broncos, Dogs and Cowboys have known about these tricks for years.
That's what made 2005 so sweet, we didn't cheat, we didn't even have any Origin reps, and still we won! That's what I'm hoping for in 2018\. A year like that. It's either that or we go to the dark side (which right now also I would accept).
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