Momorovski wants out

@earl said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297915) said:
Momo wasn’t good enough to make our top team or the Storm or the Roosters. That is why I called him a fringe first grader

Were no where near a Roosters or storm.

If we are objective, then we would see that were gonna be luck to make the 8. Who do we displace??

I would like to keepninvesting in players like momo and heres my reasons.

JTJ is a gamble that i really comes good.
BJ is a not a sure thing to play consistently, at least its a contract year in 21.

We need good footy players.
 
@speed2burn said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297926) said:
He literally WAS playing for Melbourne but got injured. Your typical Momers hater ignores the injured part though lol

The point is that he hasn't made these teams. He hasn't established himself. He hasn't shown that he is a potential game breaker.

I like him as a player. I also recognize his limitations and the club do as well. He isn't an exciting player.
 
@spartan117 said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297977) said:
I would like to keepninvesting in players like momo and heres my reasons.

I have no problems continuing to invest in him. I agree with your points on JTJ and BJ.

The thing is there is a difference between picking Momo ahead of two player who at their best are better players than Momo and keeping him in the squad because those two may go to pieces.

I would keep Momo and he will probably get game time. If he kills it then he keeps his spot.

If we can trade Momo for Laurie though I think we should do that.
 
@earl said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297980) said:
@speed2burn said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297926) said:
He literally WAS playing for Melbourne but got injured. Your typical Momers hater ignores the injured part though lol

The point is that he hasn't made these teams. He hasn't established himself. He hasn't shown that he is a potential game breaker.

I like him as a player. I also recognize his limitations and the club do as well. He isn't an exciting player.

See this is what I don't get, you're willing to judge his entire playing career based upon only 19 games? Despite actually being pretty good in those 19 games? The only limitations he has is youth. He's only young

I'm not saying he should be first picked.i just don't get the logic, especially considering it's very likely jimmy and BJ will not even be here in 2 years time. They feel like stop gap solutions to me at best

I am all for getting Laurie early. But maybe not for him. If we end up swapping Cini instead that would be a much better outcome as Momivorski can provide centre/wing depth at NRL level reasonably well
 
@earl said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297854) said:
@coivtny said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297850) said:
There are 12 other players on the field. It’s not all up to Momo.

I agree with this point but it's the reason why we will struggle if Momo is in the centres. We need guys contributing all over the park and by that I mean we need attacking weapons all over the park. Momo isn't an attacking weapon. We also have a fair few options in the centres that have the ability to create something.

No, your right, "he is not an attacking weapon", you could be right that "he doesn't have the ability to create something."

He just scores tries.
 
@gallagher said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297925) said:
@speed2burn said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297906) said:
@coivtny said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297832) said:
@cochise said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297825) said:
@clontarfkid said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297824) said:
@elleryhanley said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297691) said:
@carltonleach said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297623) said:
Does anyone know why he wants out or where too or why we have said no and if it’s for a player in return who it may be? Seems as though Laurie won’t be here this year so do we think momo won’t be going anywhere if that’s the case?

Being fair to Momo...he is the final year of a contract and needs to impress clubs to get a new / decent deal.

If reports are correct, he was told he is behind JTJ, BJ and Tommy for a center spot and very unlikely to play much.

Given that, it is completely understandable he wants to go somewhere else IMO.

I thought we gave him 2 more years post Storm??
Either way,by mid season he'll be our first centre chosen for one reason or another,and as Ive said previously re Matterson/Aloai..dont let em walk early!!!
Storm yet again taught us how to do this with JAC

Second year is a player option. If he is our 1st choice centre by midseason then we miss the 8.

That's a big call.


I mean, we were a Cronulla leichhardt oval game away from making the 8 in 2019 (with Momo) with a much lesser team than we have now.

But that didn't happen remember

He's only a good stiff arm away from Pobjie.

Pobje was much better at the unnecessary niggle, getting in fights, Gibbsing away penalties and getting sent off in crucial matches. Loved him but he was a aliability - Momo has none of those characteristics. Good player imo.
 
@speed2burn said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297984) said:
@earl said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297980) said:
@speed2burn said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297926) said:
He literally WAS playing for Melbourne but got injured. Your typical Momers hater ignores the injured part though lol

The point is that he hasn't made these teams. He hasn't established himself. He hasn't shown that he is a potential game breaker.

I like him as a player. I also recognize his limitations and the club do as well. He isn't an exciting player.

See this is what I don't get, you're willing to judge his entire playing career based upon only 19 games? Despite actually being pretty good in those 19 games? The only limitations he has is youth. He's only young

I'm not saying he should be first picked.i just don't get the logic, especially considering it's very likely jimmy and BJ will not even be here in 2 years time. They feel like stop gap solutions to me at best

I tell you where I think there is a disconnect. I think the guys that rate Momo rate him too highly. So you expect him to walk into the starting team. He has shown nothing so far in his NRL career to be guaranteed a starting spot.

We have two guys who on their days in this league are top quality centres.

I'm not stating he can't be a decent NRL player. He is young. I'm just stating he hasn't shown explosive pace and/or power whereas we have players that have shown that.

I've mentioned previously that he has ability. I just rate BJ, JTJ, Talau and probably Kepaoa ahead of him. All of those guys have some x factor which Momo doesn't have. I also think AD and Mbye are better centres.

I also think Momo is a great squad player. He would walk into our team in previous seasons.
 
@earl said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297989) said:
@speed2burn said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297984) said:
@earl said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297980) said:
@speed2burn said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297926) said:
He literally WAS playing for Melbourne but got injured. Your typical Momers hater ignores the injured part though lol

The point is that he hasn't made these teams. He hasn't established himself. He hasn't shown that he is a potential game breaker.

I like him as a player. I also recognize his limitations and the club do as well. He isn't an exciting player.

See this is what I don't get, you're willing to judge his entire playing career based upon only 19 games? Despite actually being pretty good in those 19 games? The only limitations he has is youth. He's only young

I'm not saying he should be first picked.i just don't get the logic, especially considering it's very likely jimmy and BJ will not even be here in 2 years time. They feel like stop gap solutions to me at best

I tell you where I think there is a disconnect. I think the guys that rate Momo rate him too highly. So you expect him to walk into the starting team. He has shown nothing so far in his NRL career to be guaranteed a starting spot.

We have two guys who on their days in this league are top quality centres.

I'm not stating he can't be a decent NRL player. He is young. I'm just stating he hasn't shown explosive pace and/or power whereas we have players that have shown that.

I've mentioned previously that he has ability. I just rate BJ, JTJ, Talau and probably Kepaoa ahead of him. All of those guys have some x factor which Momo doesn't have. I also think AD and Mbye are better centres.

I also think Momo is a great squad player. He would walk into our team in previous seasons.

I think you are WRONG saying "I think the guys that rate Momo rate him too highly. So you expect him to walk into the starting team. "

I don't think myself and others defending Momo from attack, think that at all (i.e expect him to walk in).

I do think he should be, just as big a chance to be considered for a centre starting spot as JTJ or BJ (both of whom are living on past performances further back than a year ago). Now I am reasonably sure JTJ and BJ will get picked to start first up, locked in for the season - NO WAY.

Now Talau, AJ or Mbye (at this stage) are no where near Momo's centre class. That leaves Kei, Hoffman and Cini, instead of Momo this year - don't think so.

So you are saying for 2021 if we want Laurie and have to flick Momo (not sure this is even being considered by the club) - DO IT.

Then I would say if you do that, JTJ or BJ (stuff up, which is highly likely) we replace them with a 2021 inferior centre.

Don't think that is strategically prudent myself.
 
@russell said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297993) said:
@earl said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297989) said:
@speed2burn said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297984) said:
@earl said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297980) said:
@speed2burn said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297926) said:
He literally WAS playing for Melbourne but got injured. Your typical Momers hater ignores the injured part though lol

The point is that he hasn't made these teams. He hasn't established himself. He hasn't shown that he is a potential game breaker.

I like him as a player. I also recognize his limitations and the club do as well. He isn't an exciting player.

See this is what I don't get, you're willing to judge his entire playing career based upon only 19 games? Despite actually being pretty good in those 19 games? The only limitations he has is youth. He's only young

I'm not saying he should be first picked.i just don't get the logic, especially considering it's very likely jimmy and BJ will not even be here in 2 years time. They feel like stop gap solutions to me at best

I tell you where I think there is a disconnect. I think the guys that rate Momo rate him too highly. So you expect him to walk into the starting team. He has shown nothing so far in his NRL career to be guaranteed a starting spot.

We have two guys who on their days in this league are top quality centres.

I'm not stating he can't be a decent NRL player. He is young. I'm just stating he hasn't shown explosive pace and/or power whereas we have players that have shown that.

I've mentioned previously that he has ability. I just rate BJ, JTJ, Talau and probably Kepaoa ahead of him. All of those guys have some x factor which Momo doesn't have. I also think AD and Mbye are better centres.

I also think Momo is a great squad player. He would walk into our team in previous seasons.

I think you are WRONG saying "I think the guys that rate Momo rate him too highly. So you expect him to walk into the starting team. "

I don't think myself and others defending Momo from attack, think that at all (i.e expect him to walk in).

I do think he should be, just as big a chance to be considered for a centre starting spot as JTJ or BJ (both of whom are living on past performances further back than a year ago). Now I am reasonably sure JTJ and BJ will get picked to start first up, locked in for the season - NO WAY.

Now Talau, AJ or Mbye (at this stage) are no where near Momo's centre class. That leaves Kei, Hoffman and Cini, instead of Momo this year - don't think so.

So you are saying for 2021 if we want Laurie and have to flick Momo (not sure this is even being considered by the club) - DO IT.

Then I would say if you do that, JTJ or BJ (stuff up, which is highly likely) we replace them with a 2021 inferior centre.

Don't think that is strategically prudent myself.

There are people on here stating he will be our first centre picked by mid season. Our season is over if that is the case.
 
@russell said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297993) said:
@earl said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297989) said:
@speed2burn said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297984) said:
@earl said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297980) said:
@speed2burn said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297926) said:
He literally WAS playing for Melbourne but got injured. Your typical Momers hater ignores the injured part though lol

The point is that he hasn't made these teams. He hasn't established himself. He hasn't shown that he is a potential game breaker.

I like him as a player. I also recognize his limitations and the club do as well. He isn't an exciting player.

See this is what I don't get, you're willing to judge his entire playing career based upon only 19 games? Despite actually being pretty good in those 19 games? The only limitations he has is youth. He's only young

I'm not saying he should be first picked.i just don't get the logic, especially considering it's very likely jimmy and BJ will not even be here in 2 years time. They feel like stop gap solutions to me at best

I tell you where I think there is a disconnect. I think the guys that rate Momo rate him too highly. So you expect him to walk into the starting team. He has shown nothing so far in his NRL career to be guaranteed a starting spot.

We have two guys who on their days in this league are top quality centres.

I'm not stating he can't be a decent NRL player. He is young. I'm just stating he hasn't shown explosive pace and/or power whereas we have players that have shown that.

I've mentioned previously that he has ability. I just rate BJ, JTJ, Talau and probably Kepaoa ahead of him. All of those guys have some x factor which Momo doesn't have. I also think AD and Mbye are better centres.

I also think Momo is a great squad player. He would walk into our team in previous seasons.

I think you are WRONG saying "I think the guys that rate Momo rate him too highly. So you expect him to walk into the starting team. "

I don't think myself and others defending Momo from attack, think that at all (i.e expect him to walk in).

I do think he should be, just as big a chance to be considered for a centre starting spot as JTJ or BJ (both of whom are living on past performances further back than a year ago). Now I am reasonably sure JTJ and BJ will get picked to start first up, locked in for the season - NO WAY.

Now Talau, AJ or Mbye (at this stage) are no where near Momo's centre class. That leaves Kei, Hoffman and Cini, instead of Momo this year - don't think so.

So you are saying for 2021 if we want Laurie and have to flick Momo (not sure this is even being considered by the club) - DO IT.

Then I would say if you do that, JTJ or BJ (stuff up, which is highly likely) we replace them with a 2021 inferior centre.

Don't think that is strategically prudent myself.

I think Talau is just as good as Momers and has more upside. The club seems keen on developing him to, maybe more so than Momers.

It's looking likely that Momers will be staying this season anyway I reckon, he'll be handy backup for our centres. Whether he stays after this season who knows, club likes Talau and hard to tell how Joey and Roberts will go.
 
@jc99 said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297999) said:
@russell said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297993) said:
@earl said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297989) said:
@speed2burn said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297984) said:
@earl said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297980) said:
@speed2burn said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297926) said:
He literally WAS playing for Melbourne but got injured. Your typical Momers hater ignores the injured part though lol

The point is that he hasn't made these teams. He hasn't established himself. He hasn't shown that he is a potential game breaker.

I like him as a player. I also recognize his limitations and the club do as well. He isn't an exciting player.

See this is what I don't get, you're willing to judge his entire playing career based upon only 19 games? Despite actually being pretty good in those 19 games? The only limitations he has is youth. He's only young

I'm not saying he should be first picked.i just don't get the logic, especially considering it's very likely jimmy and BJ will not even be here in 2 years time. They feel like stop gap solutions to me at best

I tell you where I think there is a disconnect. I think the guys that rate Momo rate him too highly. So you expect him to walk into the starting team. He has shown nothing so far in his NRL career to be guaranteed a starting spot.

We have two guys who on their days in this league are top quality centres.

I'm not stating he can't be a decent NRL player. He is young. I'm just stating he hasn't shown explosive pace and/or power whereas we have players that have shown that.

I've mentioned previously that he has ability. I just rate BJ, JTJ, Talau and probably Kepaoa ahead of him. All of those guys have some x factor which Momo doesn't have. I also think AD and Mbye are better centres.

I also think Momo is a great squad player. He would walk into our team in previous seasons.

I think you are WRONG saying "I think the guys that rate Momo rate him too highly. So you expect him to walk into the starting team. "

I don't think myself and others defending Momo from attack, think that at all (i.e expect him to walk in).

I do think he should be, just as big a chance to be considered for a centre starting spot as JTJ or BJ (both of whom are living on past performances further back than a year ago). Now I am reasonably sure JTJ and BJ will get picked to start first up, locked in for the season - NO WAY.

Now Talau, AJ or Mbye (at this stage) are no where near Momo's centre class. That leaves Kei, Hoffman and Cini, instead of Momo this year - don't think so.

So you are saying for 2021 if we want Laurie and have to flick Momo (not sure this is even being considered by the club) - DO IT.

Then I would say if you do that, JTJ or BJ (stuff up, which is highly likely) we replace them with a 2021 inferior centre.

Don't think that is strategically prudent myself.

I think Talau is just as good as Momers and has more upside. The club seems keen on developing him to, maybe more so than Momers.

It's looking likely that Momers will be staying this season anyway I reckon, he'll be handy backup for our centres. Whether he stays after this season who knows, club likes Talau and hard to tell how Joey and Roberts will go.

The decision is 100% his if he stays next year. If he could have been used to free Laurie for 2020 I would have had no problem with that decision as he is depth in a position we have a lot of depth in.
 
I think people should look at the starting careers of JTJ BJL and Momo
If you want to compare Momo against the other two then that's only fair

Momo
![20210130_082629.jpg](/assets/uploads/files/1611959211373-20210130_082629.jpg)
14 tries in 19 games over 3 seasons most in a team that has not finished in the 8

JTJ
![20210130_082757.jpg](/assets/uploads/files/1611959312275-20210130_082757.jpg)
Only 11 tries from 16 games in his 1st 3 seasons for Souths and Panthers
Two strong teams

BJL
![20210130_083110.jpg](/assets/uploads/files/1611959482107-20210130_083110.jpg)
20 tries in 59 games in his 1st 3 seasons
That was for the roosters
Then they let him go to Newcastle

We must remember that Momorovski is early in his career
His try to games ratio far exceeds the other two
People can bag Momorovski but he has the tries in the bag
He puts himself in the right place at the right time
He doesn't need to be fancy as he still has the ability to score
He doesn't carry the same media stories (dramas) the other two have had over the years either
The problem the way I see it is we have had to many nuffies to average players over the years
Now to many of us want the super stars, the best players in the league in every position
Thats a good way to think, but it is not going to happen

Myself I would try to hang on to Momorovski for this year at least if not longer
If Jet or Bj fail then off they go
Momorovski may be a back up at this stage, but he is a bloody good one to have
 
@tilllindemann said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297920) said:
@earl said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297854) said:
@coivtny said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297850) said:
There are 12 other players on the field. It’s not all up to Momo.

I agree with this point but it's the reason why we will struggle if Momo is in the centres. We need guys contributing all over the park and by that I mean we need attacking weapons all over the park. Momo isn't an attacking weapon. We also have a fair few options in the centres that have the ability to create something.

What's your definition of attacking weapon though? He could find his way to the try line as good as anyone in our team, and that's all that matters isn't it?

Again, I like Paul and respect his abilities, particularly that of getting to the line in company and had Leilua not been training the house down to get redemption would have wanted him, Tommy or maybe Asu playing there. Generally though, scoring points once in the attacking zone hasn't been a major issue once there.

I have long seen WT inability to strike from a distance as one of the large detriments to our game and unlike a (hopefully) rejuvenated BJ, the others and especially Roberts, he provides little to that area of much needed improvement. Happy for him to play his role, which I am confident Paul would fulfil at his best if or when needed, just hope that is not often.
 
@hobbo1 said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297913) said:
Momirovski would be a great player ....
If it was 1984 .

If Momo was playing in 1984 he would now be over 60 years old, and we complain about Benji not wanting to retire.

Why would Momo not want to stay, he has a player option for next season which should almost take him out to the old age pension.

But on a serious note, I like Momo but if something works out that is mutually beneficial to both him and the club, well than best of luck, but I for one will be keeping an eye on how he is going wherever he ends up.
 
@hank37w said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1298076) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297913) said:
Momirovski would be a great player ....
If it was 1984 .

If Momo was playing in 1984 he would now be over 60 years old, and we complain about Benji not wanting to retire.

Why would Momo not want to stay, he has a player option for next season which should almost take him out to the old age pension.

But on a serious note, I like Momo but if something works out that is mutually beneficial to both him and the club, well than best of luck, but I for one will be keeping an eye on how he is going wherever he ends up.

To get Laurie I would let him go if that deal could be arranged.
 
@cochise said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1298077) said:
@hank37w said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1298076) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297913) said:
Momirovski would be a great player ....
If it was 1984 .

If Momo was playing in 1984 he would now be over 60 years old, and we complain about Benji not wanting to retire.

Why would Momo not want to stay, he has a player option for next season which should almost take him out to the old age pension.

But on a serious note, I like Momo but if something works out that is mutually beneficial to both him and the club, well than best of luck, but I for one will be keeping an eye on how he is going wherever he ends up.

To get Laurie I would let him go if that deal could be arranged.

What is happening with the Cini swap? Do Penrith just see him as not a like for like swap where as Momo is more appealing to them?
 
@speed2burn said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1298083) said:
@cochise said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1298077) said:
@hank37w said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1298076) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297913) said:
Momirovski would be a great player ....
If it was 1984 .

If Momo was playing in 1984 he would now be over 60 years old, and we complain about Benji not wanting to retire.

Why would Momo not want to stay, he has a player option for next season which should almost take him out to the old age pension.

But on a serious note, I like Momo but if something works out that is mutually beneficial to both him and the club, well than best of luck, but I for one will be keeping an eye on how he is going wherever he ends up.

To get Laurie I would let him go if that deal could be arranged.

What is happening with the Cini swap? Do Penrith just see him as not a like for like swap where as Momo is more appealing to them?

No idea, but if it has happened by now then I can't see it happening.
 
Momo is just depth for any NRL club. He should go to England and dominate the weaker league.
It's obvious when every post is "He has a good football brain BUT......
Always a but.
 
@hank37w said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1298076) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297913) said:
Momirovski would be a great player ....
If it was 1984 .

If Momo was playing in 1984 he would now be over 60 years old, and we complain about Benji not wanting to retire.

Why would Momo not want to stay, he has a player option for next season which should almost take him out to the old age pension.

But on a serious note, I like Momo but if something works out that is mutually beneficial to both him and the club, well than best of luck, but I for one will be keeping an eye on how he is going wherever he ends up.

The modern player has to be fast and athletic..
Momirovski is non of the above hence my 1984 comment .
 
@cochise said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1298084) said:
@speed2burn said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1298083) said:
@cochise said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1298077) said:
@hank37w said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1298076) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Momorovski wants out](/post/1297913) said:
Momirovski would be a great player ....
If it was 1984 .

If Momo was playing in 1984 he would now be over 60 years old, and we complain about Benji not wanting to retire.

Why would Momo not want to stay, he has a player option for next season which should almost take him out to the old age pension.

But on a serious note, I like Momo but if something works out that is mutually beneficial to both him and the club, well than best of luck, but I for one will be keeping an eye on how he is going wherever he ends up.

To get Laurie I would let him go if that deal could be arranged.

What is happening with the Cini swap? Do Penrith just see him as not a like for like swap where as Momo is more appealing to them?

No idea, but if it has happened by now then I can't see it happening.

Yeah I agree, tbh it doesn't sound like Penrith were ever interested in the Cini swap. Moreso us trying to push it onto them
 
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