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[jirskyr]

Sorry, but if seeing a TV add, or a indigenous acknowledgement, or gay couple stirs deep emotions in you, that's the definition of snowflake. It's beneficial if you can regulate your emotions and not let such things get you going so much.

So because I voice my opinion about being force fed other people’s agendas and want to disagree with it all that makes me a snowflake? However the very thing that is making them want to go out and shove it in my face doesn’t mean they are? I’m really finding it hard to understand your double standards... sympathise with them all you like, but just because I don’t feel the need to do the same and have voiced my opinion that I’m sick of hearing it, doesn’t make me a snowflake. It just means that I’m not a sympathetic sheep. I have my own problems and opinions but they don’t put me in an nrl commercial... why? Because I own my life and I don’t feel the need to blame others for the crap life thats been handed to me, nor do I sit back and ask for sympathy. All I want to do is watch a game of football without it being turned into something bigger. Clearly it’s to much to ask in this day and age.


Wow Blaze, what a great post mate. It’s refreshing to see people with your attitude. People who are capable of taking responsibility for themselves and thinking clearly, rather than expecting the government to solve all their problems.
We all have our issues to deal with, those who have none are lying in Rookwood or sitting in an urn collecting dust.

Tsk tsk.

This is not refreshing at all, this is a very common and unempathic position to take. Yes everyone has problems, but this isn't Communism, we aren't going to ignore or avoid to highlight one particular issue simply because there are many issues. That would be like saying we can't upgrade public transport because there are also needs in the hospitals or schools.

Blaze also, just my opinion, appears oblivious to the fact that some people don't own their own lives and some do feel the need to blame others for the crap life they've been handed. Now whether or not they try their hardest, so called "make lemonade" approach is irrelevant, if simply by birth they are immediately disadvantaged. For example aboriginals - simply by virtue of birth, are likely to live 10 years less than average, 3x as likely to be unemployed, 15x as likely to be jailed, 50% chance of having a recognised disability. Simply for being born aboriginal.

None of this is to dismiss the plight of other minorities, immigrants, poor people, of challenging mental health etc. But you can't make an ad that recognises 100% of the variations of Australians, lest we watch ads forever and no actual football.

So if you can't see that some folks are disadvantaged by no fault of their own, and that you could potentially empathise with those folks, whether or not your own problems are adequately addressed, then that's really really sad. Let them have their moment of recognition without complaining about equality of recognition. Because when it comes to indigenous, frankly, they are about 200 years behind when it comes to recognition, so we have a lot more to do before they are caught up with everyone else.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Contrived and unoriginal. Toddy at his best.

 

[twentyforty]

Sorry, but if seeing a TV add, or a indigenous acknowledgement, or gay couple stirs deep emotions in you, that's the definition of snowflake. It's beneficial if you can regulate your emotions and not let such things get you going so much.

So because I voice my opinion about being force fed other people’s agendas and want to disagree with it all that makes me a snowflake? However the very thing that is making them want to go out and shove it in my face doesn’t mean they are? I’m really finding it hard to understand your double standards... sympathise with them all you like, but just because I don’t feel the need to do the same and have voiced my opinion that I’m sick of hearing it, doesn’t make me a snowflake. It just means that I’m not a sympathetic sheep. I have my own problems and opinions but they don’t put me in an nrl commercial... why? Because I own my life and I don’t feel the need to blame others for the crap life thats been handed to me, nor do I sit back and ask for sympathy. All I want to do is watch a game of football without it being turned into something bigger. Clearly it’s to much to ask in this day and age.


Wow Blaze, what a great post mate. It’s refreshing to see people with your attitude. People who are capable of taking responsibility for themselves and thinking clearly, rather than expecting the government to solve all their problems.
We all have our issues to deal with, those who have none are lying in Rookwood or sitting in an urn collecting dust.

Tsk tsk.

This is not refreshing at all, this is a very common and unempathic position to take. Yes everyone has problems, but this isn't Communism, we aren't going to ignore or avoid to highlight one particular issue simply because there are many issues. That would be like saying we can't upgrade public transport because there are also needs in the hospitals or schools.

Blaze also, just my opinion, appears oblivious to the fact that some people don't own their own lives and some do feel the need to blame others for the crap life they've been handed. Now whether or not they try their hardest, so called "make lemonade" approach is irrelevant, if simply by birth they are immediately disadvantaged. For example aboriginals - simply by virtue of birth, are likely to live 10 years less than average, 3x as likely to be unemployed, 15x as likely to be jailed, 50% chance of having a recognised disability. Simply for being born aboriginal.

None of this is to dismiss the plight of other minorities, immigrants, poor people, of challenging mental health etc. But you can't make an ad that recognises 100% of the variations of Australians, lest we watch ads forever and no actual football.

So if you can't see that some folks are disadvantaged by no fault of their own, and that you could potentially empathise with those folks, whether or not your own problems are adequately addressed, then that's really really sad. Let them have their moment of recognition without complaining about equality of recognition. Because when it comes to indigenous, frankly, they are about 200 years behind when it comes to recognition, so we have a lot more to do before they are caught up with everyone else.

Ooh. I feel like I’ve been slapped on the wrist for being naughty ?
You make a lot of assumptions. In your eagerness to appear as empathetic you mistakenly reinforce the real problem facing the Aboriginal people. Low self esteem, feeling of oppression, feeling of being disadvantaged, torn between two cultures.
Is this a cultural issue or one continually reinforced by those who bow their heads in pity while providing handouts.? Maybe if we had a more positive message, then I could believe this has nothing to do with a communism revival. Like I’ve said communism needs an enemy , but it also needs useful idiots.
I’m a white male and as such have been refusing to become the enemy, as sure as hell I won’t become a useful idiot. The other question we could ask, what does this have to do with the fun family sport of Rugby League?

 

[JD Tiger]

I think the ad is just typical of the NRL these days. They have a big emphasis on being political (certain rounds are women in league, the anti DV stance they are trying to take, the Women's NRL, the dealing with off-field incidents, the inclusion of being gay, the indigenous all stars game, a greater emphasis on Samoa, Tonga and similar nationalities...)

Why is this emphasis there? I'm not saying it shouldn't be, I'm questioning why does the NRL feel it should be political? What's their motivation to do so? It's a business, so, profit? I guess it's a good thing, the more equality the world can get the better, I just wish the NRL would also focus on fixing the things wrong within the game. It almost seems like they are trying to distract us from their inequities within the game by pushing forward an appearance of their social conscience.

 

[2041]

Maybe if we had a more positive message

Like Lattrell Mitchell succeeding, being proud of his heritage and being welcomed by the white dominated world in which he exists? That’s a great positive message and one I’m sure, by your own words, you’d like to encourage. I wonder if there’s some way the NRL could help with that message. Any thoughts?

 

[jirskyr]

>You make a lot of assumptions. In your eagerness to appear as empathetic you mistakenly reinforce the real problem facing the Aboriginal people. Low self esteem, feeling of oppression, feeling of being disadvantaged, torn between two cultures.
Is this a cultural issue or one continually reinforced by those who bow their heads in pity while providing handouts.? Maybe if we had a more positive message, then I could believe this has nothing to do with a communism revival. Like I’ve said communism needs an enemy , but it also needs useful idiots.

Communism revival? What on Earth are you smoking?

As 2041 said, we agree, more positive messaging would help. For instance putting a proud indigenous man at the forefront of a major sporting advertisement.

You also misunderstand empathy - empathy is to attempt to understand and possibly share the feelings of others. Empathy is the start of the solution, it doesn't reinforce anything, it just listens and acknowledges. I will never truly know what it is like to be indigenous, but I also won't pretend that I can summarise precisely what their challenges are, and the solutions. I merely pointed to the data, that they are disadvantaged from birth.

Whether or not you think that's cultural, or reinforced by handouts is irrelevant, because it exists nonetheless. A solution is certainly not to complain when some indigenous fellow gets his face on an ad.

 

[jirskyr]

I just wish the NRL would also focus on fixing the things wrong within the game.

Why can't they do both?

Maybe the NRL is highlighting some of the wrong things that have been fixed in the game - lack of indigenous recognition, lack of female involvement, on-field racism and thuggery, etc.

 

[Tiger5150]

I have to admit I was disappointed when I saw the ad. I was not disappointed and I genuinely dont care if I see two girls kissing, or if they show Latrell in his flag. I was just really disappointed that they went down the lame marketing avenue with the virtue signalling. Its the virtue signalling itself and the cynical message behind it that annoys me and disappoints me that the NRL have now gone down this path.

Still not at the level of bank or NRMA ad's which are pure virtue signalling and dont show anything of their product, but they are on their way.

 

[JD Tiger]

I just wish the NRL would also focus on fixing the things wrong within the game.

Why can't they do both?

Maybe the NRL is highlighting some of the wrong things that have been fixed in the game - lack of indigenous recognition, lack of female involvement, on-field racism and thuggery, etc.

It is great that they are addressing these things, but I haven't seen any indication that they are doing anything to address the inequities within the game. Like, the advantages teams like Bronocs and Storm get for being owned by Fox who have a major influence in the game, including the makeup of the draw. Like, the ability of some clubs like Roosters to work around the salary cap and retain a larger portion of talented players than other clubs.

It just seems like an act of distraction, I certainly don't believe that the NRL really cares about the people, just they are using their public perception on these issues to get away with murder in other areas.

 

[TieDye]

I just wish the NRL would also focus on fixing the things wrong within the game.

Why can't they do both?

Maybe the NRL is highlighting some of the wrong things that have been fixed in the game - lack of indigenous recognition, lack of female involvement, on-field racism and thuggery, etc.

It is great that they are addressing these things, but I haven't seen any indication that they are doing anything to address the inequities within the game. Like, the advantages teams like Bronocs and Storm get for being owned by Fox who have a major influence in the game, including the makeup of the draw. Like, the ability of some clubs like Roosters to work around the salary cap and retain a larger portion of talented players than other clubs.

It just seems like an act of distraction, I certainly don't believe that the NRL really cares about the people, just they are using their public perception on these issues to get away with murder in other areas.

A little bit of **insight** is beautiful.

Nailed it... if the ad portrayed some kind of next level success that can be relatively achieved by someone of his reputation and standing within the community then recognition from his elders and an actual showing of the positive images Sport, Families & the people that work behind the game at the most basic levels (could produce) to allow these ‘players’ such a prestigious place on Life’s Mantle then I’d support it.

Why does it matter what their sexual orientation is if the NRL genuinely, and simply just wants to recognise all of us are the same. What about age discrimination? Asians? Look at the climate of world policy at the moment and you’ll see that it’s such an empty, baseless ad that it’s almost unhelpful to Latrell. Definitely his people.

It’s ridiculous that NRL aired it to begin with given how indecisively divisive it is and am surprised at Jirskyr’s total lack of empathy toward any others’ feelings in many threads unless, of course, they happen to share his opinion.

He obviously hasn’t worked much in the aboriginal communities because for starters even the poorer individual’s in Sydney and ESPECIALLY kids are unlikely to have even seen the ad > how does it help?

 

[jirskyr]

Jirskyr’s total lack of empathy toward any others’ feelings in many threads unless, of course, they happen to share his opinion.

Logical tautology.

>you’ll see that it’s such an empty, baseless ad that it’s almost unhelpful to Latrell. Definitely his people.

Interesting, have you actually spoken to Latrell about this, or any of his people? Or are you making assumptions on their behalf.

 

[TieDye]

Jirskyr’s total lack of empathy toward any others’ feelings in many threads unless, of course, they happen to share his opinion.

Logical tautology.

>you’ll see that it’s such an empty, baseless ad that it’s almost unhelpful to Latrell. Definitely his people.

Interesting, have you actually spoken to Latrell about this, or any of his people? Or are you making assumptions on their behalf.

It’s not a tautology. You haven’t responded to any actual information I’ve asked you to respond to? Not only is that a poor politicians answer in deflecting on whether I have personal knowledge within this business/or am simply an informed outsider who’s been within reach of these communities... it’s you who’s making assumptions.

You’re actually not very clever - despite the vaccine that hopefully works- if you can’t work out that what you’ve just replied with directly accepts my answer, previous.

Try again though!

 

[TieDye]

Jirskyr’s total lack of empathy toward any others’ feelings in many threads unless, of course, they happen to share his opinion.

Logical tautology.

>you’ll see that it’s such an empty, baseless ad that it’s almost unhelpful to Latrell. Definitely his people.

Interesting, have you actually spoken to Latrell about this, or any of his people? Or are you making assumptions on their behalf.

Show empathy. Outline how your views and opinions have aligned with the Aboriginal plight...

Otherwise you’re just a scientist/chemist (not to make assumptions?) and a failed white knight that pays for handouts to the ‘disadvantaged’ of all colour, shapes and sizes like the rest of us.

You must be a simpleton not to see that, as you’re not currently in a position to “understand“ how they live... admitted by you, earlier , and have no direct association with the impacts and any flow on effects that this ad might’ve had in isolated communities - given how many people of legitimate Labor orientation were giving it to
Mitchell for supposedly ‘glory hunting’ that it has actually been very damaging indeed for many indigenous Australians, let alone LGBTQI.

Your mate Todd himself had to can it?

 

[jirskyr]

It is great that they are addressing these things, but I haven’t seen any indication that they are doing anything to address the inequities within the game. Like, the advantages teams like Bronocs and Storm get for being owned by Fox who have a major influence in the game, including the makeup of the draw. Like, the ability of some clubs like Roosters to work around the salary cap and retain a larger portion of talented players than other clubs.

It just seems like an act of distraction, I certainly don’t believe that the NRL really cares about the people, just they are using their public perception on these issues to get away with murder in other areas.

Indigenous All-Stars
Indigenous Round
public pledge to Uluru Statement
Women's Round
Women's rugby league competition
NRL Rural Aid Drought Initiative
Social Inclusion Framework
State Of Mind program
School to Work program
Voice Against Violence program
League in Harmony progam
Youth Advocate program
Ken Stephen medal, Veronica White medal

That's a lot of initiatives focused on "the people". But what I think I hear from you is on-field equality, i.e. decisions that specifically relate to match-day advantages. What exactly are you fixated on, the rich ownership of some clubs, or smart salary cap operations of the Roosters? Broncos getting Friday night matches?

Sport results are not equal, never will be. To expect equality in on-field outcomes is naive - it starts to sound like the concept of giving every kid a medal for participation. Every sporting code has it's winners and losers, some long-term subscriptions to either camp.

Tell me, if Tigers won 90% of games every year, would you be complaining about the lack of on-field quality? Would you be urging the NRL to take action to reduce the effectiveness of the Tigers, for the good of the code?

 

[jirskyr]

You must be a simpleton not to see that, as you’re not currently in a position to “understand“ how they live… admitted by you, earlier , and have no direct association with the impacts and any flow on effects that this ad might’ve had in isolated communities - given how many people of legitimate Labor orientation were giving it to
Mitchell for supposedly ‘glory hunting’ that it has actually been very damaging indeed for many indigenous Australians, let alone LGBTQI.

You certainly like throwing around personal attacks - "simpleton" and "not very clever". To me that starts to indicate a loss of control on your behalf and is not necessary in a mature discussion.

I ask you again whether you have personal evidence of what Latrell, or any indigenous person, I'll give you that extremely wide parameter, feels about the NRL ad. I'm also interested in the data you have about Latrells supposed "glory hunting" and the damage it is doing for the indigenous communities. Don't just assert it as true, provide facts. I have no idea what Latrell has to do with the LGBTQI, unless you are outing him?

 

[hobbo1]

Sometimes I Wish I was aboriginal ,
I’d milk the system for all it’s worth ..

 

[weststigers]

It is great that they are addressing these things, but I haven’t seen any indication that they are doing anything to address the inequities within the game. Like, the advantages teams like Bronocs and Storm get for being owned by Fox who have a major influence in the game, including the makeup of the draw. Like, the ability of some clubs like Roosters to work around the salary cap and retain a larger portion of talented players than other clubs.

It just seems like an act of distraction, I certainly don’t believe that the NRL really cares about the people, just they are using their public perception on these issues to get away with murder in other areas.

Indigenous All-Stars
Indigenous Round
public pledge to Uluru Statement
Women's Round
Women's rugby league competition
NRL Rural Aid Drought Initiative
Social Inclusion Framework
State Of Mind program
School to Work program
Voice Against Violence program
League in Harmony progam
Youth Advocate program
Ken Stephen medal, Veronica White medal

That's a lot of initiatives focused on "the people". But what I think I hear from you is on-field equality, i.e. decisions that specifically relate to match-day advantages. What exactly are you fixated on, the rich ownership of some clubs, or smart salary cap operations of the Roosters? Broncos getting Friday night matches?

Sport results are not equal, never will be. To expect equality in on-field outcomes is naive - it starts to sound like the concept of giving every kid a medal for participation. Every sporting code has it's winners and losers, some long-term subscriptions to either camp.

Tell me, if Tigers won 90% of games every year, would you be complaining about the lack of on-field quality? Would you be urging the NRL to take action to reduce the effectiveness of the Tigers, for the good of the code?

As you've outlined...the NRL is doing plenty for disadvantaged people/communities now and in the past.

No one has an issue with that.

The fact is, political messaging divides people (this thread is a great example).

No one would be talking about it in this manner if they kept the political stuff out.

Once again, glad they changed it!

 

[TieDye]

It is great that they are addressing these things, but I haven’t seen any indication that they are doing anything to address the inequities within the game. Like, the advantages teams like Bronocs and Storm get for being owned by Fox who have a major influence in the game, including the makeup of the draw. Like, the ability of some clubs like Roosters to work around the salary cap and retain a larger portion of talented players than other clubs.

It just seems like an act of distraction, I certainly don’t believe that the NRL really cares about the people, just they are using their public perception on these issues to get away with murder in other areas.

Indigenous All-Stars
Indigenous Round
public pledge to Uluru Statement
Women's Round
Women's rugby league competition
NRL Rural Aid Drought Initiative
Social Inclusion Framework
State Of Mind program
School to Work program
Voice Against Violence program
League in Harmony progam
Youth Advocate program
Ken Stephen medal, Veronica White medal

That's a lot of initiatives focused on "the people". But what I think I hear from you is on-field equality, i.e. decisions that specifically relate to match-day advantages. What exactly are you fixated on, the rich ownership of some clubs, or smart salary cap operations of the Roosters? Broncos getting Friday night matches?

Sport results are not equal, never will be. To expect equality in on-field outcomes is naive - it starts to sound like the concept of giving every kid a medal for participation. Every sporting code has it's winners and losers, some long-term subscriptions to either camp.

Tell me, if Tigers won 90% of games every year, would you be complaining about the lack of on-field quality? Would you be urging the NRL to take action to reduce the effectiveness of the Tigers, for the good of the code?

Is that to insinuate that JD, in some kind of uninformed moral decision (according to you, only you, again?) is trying to tear down the fabric of South Sydney, or the team that plays out of the nations capital... just don’t see it as you do. He never said that, and you’ve never worked within a majority Indigenous community or to be qualified enough in the game’s hierarchy to deem it as successful or not. You literally have no idea?

I don’t see it as him taking a pot shot at their efforts toward repatriation or any recognition.

You’re really beating a dead horse read because most people are in agreement here...

As for the ad, Simply The Best, wasn’t the prob

 

[TieDye]

You must be a simpleton not to see that, as you’re not currently in a position to “understand“ how they live… admitted by you, earlier , and have no direct association with the impacts and any flow on effects that this ad might’ve had in isolated communities - given how many people of legitimate Labor orientation were giving it to
Mitchell for supposedly ‘glory hunting’ that it has actually been very damaging indeed for many indigenous Australians, let alone LGBTQI.

You certainly like throwing around personal attacks - "simpleton" and "not very clever". To me that starts to indicate a loss of control on your behalf and is not necessary in a mature discussion.

Horribly, horribly structured.

Not a personal insult but you’ve got no facts. Nice opinion tho 😉

 

[JD Tiger]

It is great that they are addressing these things, but I haven’t seen any indication that they are doing anything to address the inequities within the game. Like, the advantages teams like Bronocs and Storm get for being owned by Fox who have a major influence in the game, including the makeup of the draw. Like, the ability of some clubs like Roosters to work around the salary cap and retain a larger portion of talented players than other clubs.

It just seems like an act of distraction, I certainly don’t believe that the NRL really cares about the people, just they are using their public perception on these issues to get away with murder in other areas.

Indigenous All-Stars
Indigenous Round
public pledge to Uluru Statement
Women's Round
Women's rugby league competition
NRL Rural Aid Drought Initiative
Social Inclusion Framework
State Of Mind program
School to Work program
Voice Against Violence program
League in Harmony progam
Youth Advocate program
Ken Stephen medal, Veronica White medal

That's a lot of initiatives focused on "the people". But what I think I hear from you is on-field equality, i.e. decisions that specifically relate to match-day advantages. What exactly are you fixated on, the rich ownership of some clubs, or smart salary cap operations of the Roosters? Broncos getting Friday night matches?

Sport results are not equal, never will be. To expect equality in on-field outcomes is naive - it starts to sound like the concept of giving every kid a medal for participation. Every sporting code has it's winners and losers, some long-term subscriptions to either camp.

Tell me, if Tigers won 90% of games every year, would you be complaining about the lack of on-field quality? Would you be urging the NRL to take action to reduce the effectiveness of the Tigers, for the good of the code?

I'm not complaining mate, I'm just questioning what their motives are. I don't trust them.

Yes Tigers have been badly run for a decade or so, maybe longer looking at Balmain and Magpies, but beyond that, what I'm saying is this. I would assume that the majority of the NRL fans believe that the comp is uneven, that some teams cheat and get away with it. Hence the sombrero jokes, and the dislike for certain teams. Maybe I'm wrong in that assumption though, idk, what do you think?

(There's been too many dodgy things, the diamond ring, the (mental blank, I can't think of the word) dinner commemorating the end of the career of Smith, the game commemorating the end of career for Smith and Thurston, I don't see a non-corrupt reason there at all being possible. Is it just me?)