One home ground

[cochise]

Another compromise but Sydney Showground at Homebush is a boutique 24,000 seats and central for most members. As a oval it would be sub optimal viewing but the stadium would have good corporate facilities etc and similar viewing experience to stadium Australia.

No its an oval and a terrible place to watch Rugby League, it has also been redeveloped for AFL.

 

[Telltails]

I just want a footy team capable of winning wherever they play. The status quo in regard to where we played was not an issue when we won in 2005. The club is now based at Concord in relation to training - the most important factor when attracting players - because that's where they will spend most of their time.
With links to Campbelltown/Leichardt adding Liverpool to the equation seems insane to me because in terms of being a Sydney club our identity then becomes even more clouded. Who do we represent - how does Liverpool become a home ground when people in that area already would have an allegiance to a club and not necessarily ours? Understand the need to play out of stadiums for the corporate dollars is necessary so Homebush/ SFS. - already established shared stadiums - for mine. And happy to have games at Leichardt/ Campbelltown scheduled because the fans consistently show when the team is going well that they enjoy going to these grounds,
as do I.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Overall the one home ground is more of a solidification of identity than looking for on field results. A home ground "advantage" doesn't mean squat without the team to compete. Dogs have one home ground and have been awful for two or three years now. Newcastle had one home ground and ran stone motherless three years in a row. Broncos have a home ground and won the spoon last year and aren't doing much better this year at this point in time.

Even if we do have one home ground going forward, I don't believe it to be truly ours as we'll be sharing with one or more teams anyway. The only way we will go forward is if either/both LO and CSS get funding to be upgraded to a 25-30K stadium, or we get a purpose built at Liverpool which would be our permanent home.

 

[tigerbalm]


 

[Geo]

Are we on the swing or the roundabout..

 

[hobbo1]

Another compromise but Sydney Showground at Homebush is a boutique 24,000 seats and central for most members. As a oval it would be sub optimal viewing but the stadium would have good corporate facilities etc and similar viewing experience to stadium Australia.

No its an oval and a terrible place to watch Rugby League, it has also been redeveloped for AFL.

I concur

 

[Tiger5150]

You know what is sad an off season topic has been bumped and it's only Round 6..sigh..

Anyhow enjoy the swings and roundabouts for the next 10 pages peeps..

But we value your opinion unbiased input .

Well ANZ for me that hasn't changed the last 7 billion times it's been discussed with 1 game each year at Leichhardt and Cambo..so I can line up for 15 mins to have a pee..

Nothing is going to change until the current deal expires..

The last info from the club had the leases at CSS and LO expiring last year. We moved the contract with Homebush to Bankwest so there s no reason they couldn't be doing your suggestion now.

There is if Stadiums NSW are happy to let the current deal run it's course before commencing negotiations on any new deals..

They moved the easter monday game easily. Do you think its likely that the govt wouldnt want the tigers to play more games at the govt owned grounds?

Depends..cash that once was there may not be in the current climate..don't think they would be in any rush..

For example a 10K crowd v Cowboys at ANZ would cost them more to open the gates..

We pay rent at LO and CSS don't we?

No not Wests Tigers,,,Cost Stadiums NSW... sure they happily move a 30K game there..and other crowd pulling matches which they already have under the current deal anyway..but lesser drawing games v out of town teams where crowd numbers are low doesn't benefit them ...

We don't pay rent at Campbo or LO?

We make more playing small crowds at Campbo and LO. End of story.

Cant see why its so hard to work out. the whole "We Need One Home Ground" argument is rubbish IMO. Its as if a fairy godmother is going to wave her wand and all of a sudden the players will be focused, the fans united and W's start stacking up.

Its NOT a one size fits all argument. It suits the club to have flexibility and I bet some clubs (Bulldogs) would love to have that flexibility. We get to have that flexibility in a manner that saves us $$$ and also makes fans happy (Many fans love the LO or Campbo experience).

I genuinely dont see the problem and I think the "benefits" that are expected to flow from OHG are imaginary.

 

[Tiger5150]

You know what is sad an off season topic has been bumped and it's only Round 6..sigh..

Anyhow enjoy the swings and roundabouts for the next 10 pages peeps..

But we value your opinion unbiased input .

Well ANZ for me that hasn't changed the last 7 billion times it's been discussed with 1 game each year at Leichhardt and Cambo..so I can line up for 15 mins to have a pee..

Nothing is going to change until the current deal expires..

The last info from the club had the leases at CSS and LO expiring last year. We moved the contract with Homebush to Bankwest so there s no reason they couldn't be doing your suggestion now.

There is if Stadiums NSW are happy to let the current deal run it's course before commencing negotiations on any new deals..

They moved the easter monday game easily. Do you think its likely that the govt wouldnt want the tigers to play more games at the govt owned grounds?

Depends..cash that once was there may not be in the current climate..don't think they would be in any rush..

For example a 10K crowd v Cowboys at ANZ would cost them more to open the gates..

We pay rent at LO and CSS don't we?

No not Wests Tigers,,,Cost Stadiums NSW... sure they happily move a 30K game there..and other crowd pulling matches which they already have under the current deal anyway..but lesser drawing games v out of town teams where crowd numbers are low doesn't benefit them ...

We don't pay rent at Campbo or LO?

We do, he is saying that Venues NSW or whatever it is called now might be reluctant to move smaller games to Stadium Australia as it will cost them more money.

Exactly, when they sit down to negotiate the deal it is predicated on the forecast crowds. Adding small crowds to the deal worsens the situation for all parties and we have a viable option that provides ancillary benefits. Stupidity not to take advantage of it.

 

[Tiger5150]

You know what is sad an off season topic has been bumped and it's only Round 6..sigh..

Anyhow enjoy the swings and roundabouts for the next 10 pages peeps..

But we value your opinion unbiased input .

Well ANZ for me that hasn't changed the last 7 billion times it's been discussed with 1 game each year at Leichhardt and Cambo..so I can line up for 15 mins to have a pee..

Nothing is going to change until the current deal expires..

The last info from the club had the leases at CSS and LO expiring last year. We moved the contract with Homebush to Bankwest so there s no reason they couldn't be doing your suggestion now.

There is if Stadiums NSW are happy to let the current deal run it's course before commencing negotiations on any new deals..

They moved the easter monday game easily. Do you think its likely that the govt wouldnt want the tigers to play more games at the govt owned grounds?

Depends..cash that once was there may not be in the current climate..don't think they would be in any rush..

For example a 10K crowd v Cowboys at ANZ would cost them more to open the gates..

We pay rent at LO and CSS don't we?

No not Wests Tigers,,,Cost Stadiums NSW... sure they happily move a 30K game there..and other crowd pulling matches which they already have under the current deal anyway..but lesser drawing games v out of town teams where crowd numbers are low doesn't benefit them ...

We don't pay rent at Campbo or LO?

We do, he is saying that Venues NSW or whatever it is called now might be reluctant to move smaller games to Stadium Australia as it will cost them more money.

So of we pay rent at LO then ***we could pay rent at Homebush.***
Using lease agreements as an excuse for not having one home ground is crap as we only have an agreement with the gov't. The others expired.

You are SLOWLY getting it. How much do you think that would be, comparable to Leichhardt & Homebush (after concessions)?

 

[Tiger5150]

You know what is sad an off season topic has been bumped and it's only Round 6..sigh..

Anyhow enjoy the swings and roundabouts for the next 10 pages peeps..

But we value your opinion unbiased input .

Well ANZ for me that hasn't changed the last 7 billion times it's been discussed with 1 game each year at Leichhardt and Cambo..so I can line up for 15 mins to have a pee..

Nothing is going to change until the current deal expires..

The last info from the club had the leases at CSS and LO expiring last year. We moved the contract with Homebush to Bankwest so there s no reason they couldn't be doing your suggestion now.

There is if Stadiums NSW are happy to let the current deal run it's course before commencing negotiations on any new deals..

They moved the easter monday game easily. Do you think its likely that the govt wouldnt want the tigers to play more games at the govt owned grounds?

Depends..cash that once was there may not be in the current climate..don't think they would be in any rush..

For example a 10K crowd v Cowboys at ANZ would cost them more to open the gates..

We pay rent at LO and CSS don't we?

No not Wests Tigers,,,Cost Stadiums NSW... sure they happily move a 30K game there..and other crowd pulling matches which they already have under the current deal anyway..but lesser drawing games v out of town teams where crowd numbers are low doesn't benefit them ...

We don't pay rent at Campbo or LO?

We do, he is saying that Venues NSW or whatever it is called now might be reluctant to move smaller games to Stadium Australia as it will cost them more money.

So of we pay rent at LO then we could pay rent at Homebush.
Using lease agreements as an excuse for not having one home ground is crap as we only have an agreement with the gov't. The others expired.

I think the rent at Homebush would far exceed the rent of LO or CSS

Of course and the other thing to consider is Stadiums NSW keep all concessions (food etc) whereas LO & CSS provide the option for Tigers to sell/lease concessions.

 

[TigerTownSFS]

From 2014:

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/home-truths-why-playing-at-big-venues-pays-off-for-sydney-clubs-20140426-zr05p.html#ixzz31MVgn900

WESTS TIGERS – Leichhardt Oval, Campbelltown Sports Stadium, ANZ Stadium



LEICHHARDT OVAL

Capacity: 20,000

Expenditure: Operational costs: $65,000 (Ground rental, hiring of the big screen, ushers, security, police, cleaning and waste removal).

Revenue

Ticket sales: $200,000 for a sell-out crowd at Leichhardt Oval. There is a budgeted difference in average ticket price between Leichhardt and Campbelltown, with about a $4-a-head higher return at Leichhardt. Undercover seats at the Leichhardt ground are scarce, therefore the higher premium charge.

Corporate: $55,000 (capacity of 550 at approximately $100 a head)

Merchandise: Roughly worth $1.20 to $1.50 a head ($35,000 in round five)

Signage: Only one stand for signage opportunity not in television range.

Average crowd: 14,279 for the past three seasons (five of the past 13games against Sydney teams).





CAMPBELLTOWN SPORTS STADIUM

Capacity: 20,000

Expenditure: Operational costs: $70,000 (ground rental, hiring of the big screen, ushers, security, police, cleaning and waste removal).

Revenue

Ticket sales: $170,000 for a sell-out crowd at Campelltown.

Merchandise: Roughly worth $1.20 to $1.50 per head ($16,000 in round six for a crowd of just more than 6000)

Corporate: $47,000 (capacity of 470 at appx $100 a head)

Signage: Greatest opportunity for signage sales of all three venues because the club has 100 per cent inventory. However, appeal is lower because games are rarely on free-to-air television.

Average crowd: 13,256 for the past three years. (Six of the past 13games against Sydney teams)





ANZ STADIUM

Capacity: 82,000

Expenditure – Operational costs: $10,000-$15,000

Revenue

ANZ Stadium: In excess of $125,000 average guarantee.

Ticket sales: $0 (ANZ Stadium receive the money from ticket sales. There is a profit-share agreement in place for when all operational costs, including gate receipts, are met. This is an incentive for the club and venue to maximise crowds and receive an equal split.)

Merchandise: Budget for $1.50 a person, with average crowd attendances budgeted for 22,000 a game. On Easter Monday, as the away team, the club sold $16,000 worth of merchandise outside the stadium. The club was not entitled to merchandise rights at the ANZ Stadium and had to sell outside the ground).

Corporate: Estimated $70,000 (maximum capacity in excess of 1000)

Signage: Shared inventory for big screen and signage.

Average crowd: This is the first year of a new deal at ANZ Stadium. The Tigers averaged 18,018 at Allianz Stadium (one game at the SCG) during the past three years. Ten of the 12 games were against Sydney teams, the other two were against the Broncos. Their only home game at ANZ Stadium this year attracted 20,061.

Wests Tigers: The Tigers played some games at ANZ Stadium between 2005 and 2008, but in 2009 the club’s former administration signed a deal with Allianz Stadium to play four games a year at the venue. The club decided against extending its stay in the city despite being offered $100,000 a game to play at Allianz Stadium.

They are now in the first year of a 10-year deal with ANZ Stadium worth close to $500,000 for four games with the potential to play up to six games a year. The club put up an online poll before moving to ANZ Stadium, with 51per cent of fans voting in favour of the Olympic Park venue compared with 49 per cent at Allianz. However, the club believes it has more of a connection with the west rather than the city, plus it provides an opportunity to offer cheaper entry-level memberships worth $50 for eight games at ANZ Stadium (four home games and four away games with reciprocal membership rights). They now work in partnership with ANZ Stadium to promote the game, whereas at Leichhardt and Campbelltown they are the sole promoters.

‘‘The more games played at ANZ Stadium, the more leverage the game and the venue has with state and federal government to consistently upgrade and develop not only the facility but the precinct to provide customers an improved match-day experience,’’ Tigers chief executive Grant Mayer said. While some details of the finances of each club are private and confidential, Mayer believes sharing this information is beneficial for the game to drive greater commercial benefits for each club.

‘‘If the clubs pooled resources and negotiated as one, then our buying power is magnified exponentially and that increases the commercial return for the clubs,’’ Mayer said.

 

[gallagher]

You know what is sad an off season topic has been bumped and it's only Round 6..sigh..

Anyhow enjoy the swings and roundabouts for the next 10 pages peeps..

But we value your opinion unbiased input .

Well ANZ for me that hasn't changed the last 7 billion times it's been discussed with 1 game each year at Leichhardt and Cambo..so I can line up for 15 mins to have a pee..

Nothing is going to change until the current deal expires..

The last info from the club had the leases at CSS and LO expiring last year. We moved the contract with Homebush to Bankwest so there s no reason they couldn't be doing your suggestion now.

There is if Stadiums NSW are happy to let the current deal run it's course before commencing negotiations on any new deals..

They moved the easter monday game easily. Do you think its likely that the govt wouldnt want the tigers to play more games at the govt owned grounds?

Depends..cash that once was there may not be in the current climate..don't think they would be in any rush..

For example a 10K crowd v Cowboys at ANZ would cost them more to open the gates..

We pay rent at LO and CSS don't we?

No not Wests Tigers,,,Cost Stadiums NSW... sure they happily move a 30K game there..and other crowd pulling matches which they already have under the current deal anyway..but lesser drawing games v out of town teams where crowd numbers are low doesn't benefit them ...

We don't pay rent at Campbo or LO?

We do, he is saying that Venues NSW or whatever it is called now might be reluctant to move smaller games to Stadium Australia as it will cost them more money.

So of we pay rent at LO then we could pay rent at Homebush.
Using lease agreements as an excuse for not having one home ground is crap as we only have an agreement with the gov't. The others expired.

I think the rent at Homebush would far exceed the rent of LO or CSS

Most likely. I was just refuting the claim that we can't have one ground due to contracts. We only have a contract with the gov't. We have 4 home grounds because we chose that.

 

[tig_prmz]

We need an identity for the future.

I wanna hear more about Wests Tigers the brand, not Wests Tigers the business.

 

[happy_tiger]

Are we on the swing or the roundabout..

See saw for you

 

[Tiger5150]

From 2014:

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/home-truths-why-playing-at-big-venues-pays-off-for-sydney-clubs-20140426-zr05p.html#ixzz31MVgn900

WESTS TIGERS – Leichhardt Oval, Campbelltown Sports Stadium, ANZ Stadium



LEICHHARDT OVAL

Capacity: 20,000

Expenditure: Operational costs: $65,000 (Ground rental, hiring of the big screen, ushers, security, police, cleaning and waste removal).

Revenue

Ticket sales: $200,000 for a sell-out crowd at Leichhardt Oval. There is a budgeted difference in average ticket price between Leichhardt and Campbelltown, with about a $4-a-head higher return at Leichhardt. Undercover seats at the Leichhardt ground are scarce, therefore the higher premium charge.

Corporate: $55,000 (capacity of 550 at approximately $100 a head)

Merchandise: Roughly worth $1.20 to $1.50 a head ($35,000 in round five)

Signage: Only one stand for signage opportunity not in television range.

Average crowd: 14,279 for the past three seasons (five of the past 13games against Sydney teams).





CAMPBELLTOWN SPORTS STADIUM

Capacity: 20,000

Expenditure: Operational costs: $70,000 (ground rental, hiring of the big screen, ushers, security, police, cleaning and waste removal).

Revenue

Ticket sales: $170,000 for a sell-out crowd at Campelltown.

Merchandise: Roughly worth $1.20 to $1.50 per head ($16,000 in round six for a crowd of just more than 6000)

Corporate: $47,000 (capacity of 470 at appx $100 a head)

Signage: Greatest opportunity for signage sales of all three venues because the club has 100 per cent inventory. However, appeal is lower because games are rarely on free-to-air television.

Average crowd: 13,256 for the past three years. (Six of the past 13games against Sydney teams)





ANZ STADIUM

Capacity: 82,000

Expenditure – Operational costs: $10,000-$15,000

Revenue

ANZ Stadium: In excess of $125,000 average guarantee.

Ticket sales: $0 (ANZ Stadium receive the money from ticket sales. There is a profit-share agreement in place for when all operational costs, including gate receipts, are met. This is an incentive for the club and venue to maximise crowds and receive an equal split.)

Merchandise: Budget for $1.50 a person, with average crowd attendances budgeted for 22,000 a game. On Easter Monday, as the away team, the club sold $16,000 worth of merchandise outside the stadium. The club was not entitled to merchandise rights at the ANZ Stadium and had to sell outside the ground).

Corporate: Estimated $70,000 (maximum capacity in excess of 1000)

Signage: Shared inventory for big screen and signage.

Average crowd: This is the first year of a new deal at ANZ Stadium. The Tigers averaged 18,018 at Allianz Stadium (one game at the SCG) during the past three years. Ten of the 12 games were against Sydney teams, the other two were against the Broncos. Their only home game at ANZ Stadium this year attracted 20,061.

Wests Tigers: The Tigers played some games at ANZ Stadium between 2005 and 2008, but in 2009 the club’s former administration signed a deal with Allianz Stadium to play four games a year at the venue. The club decided against extending its stay in the city despite being offered $100,000 a game to play at Allianz Stadium.

They are now in the first year of a 10-year deal with ANZ Stadium worth close to $500,000 for four games with the potential to play up to six games a year. The club put up an online poll before moving to ANZ Stadium, with 51per cent of fans voting in favour of the Olympic Park venue compared with 49 per cent at Allianz. However, the club believes it has more of a connection with the west rather than the city, plus it provides an opportunity to offer cheaper entry-level memberships worth $50 for eight games at ANZ Stadium (four home games and four away games with reciprocal membership rights). They now work in partnership with ANZ Stadium to promote the game, whereas at Leichhardt and Campbelltown they are the sole promoters.

‘‘The more games played at ANZ Stadium, the more leverage the game and the venue has with state and federal government to consistently upgrade and develop not only the facility but the precinct to provide customers an improved match-day experience,’’ Tigers chief executive Grant Mayer said. While some details of the finances of each club are private and confidential, Mayer believes sharing this information is beneficial for the game to drive greater commercial benefits for each club.

‘‘If the clubs pooled resources and negotiated as one, then our buying power is magnified exponentially and that increases the commercial return for the clubs,’’ Mayer said.

Its a false comparison and pretty much reinforces the case to play at Leichhardt and Campbelltown.

The $125,000 "average guarantee" (I believe it is closer to $100K now) is based on playing smaller crowds (that ANZ would LOSE money on) at Leichhardt and Campbelltown. What do you think would happen to that "average guarantee" if you said to ANZ (Stadiums NSW), "yeah but we also want to play another 6 games at your place, but you will lose money on each of them"? The guarentee would go down, naturally. Its business.

Seriously dont see why its an issue. The current situation works well for all parties and we wouldnt win a single extra game if we played all of our games out of ANZ.

 

[mike]

From 2014:

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/home-truths-why-playing-at-big-venues-pays-off-for-sydney-clubs-20140426-zr05p.html#ixzz31MVgn900

WESTS TIGERS – Leichhardt Oval, Campbelltown Sports Stadium, ANZ Stadium



LEICHHARDT OVAL

Capacity: 20,000

Expenditure: Operational costs: $65,000 (Ground rental, hiring of the big screen, ushers, security, police, cleaning and waste removal).

Revenue

Ticket sales: $200,000 for a sell-out crowd at Leichhardt Oval. There is a budgeted difference in average ticket price between Leichhardt and Campbelltown, with about a $4-a-head higher return at Leichhardt. Undercover seats at the Leichhardt ground are scarce, therefore the higher premium charge.

Corporate: $55,000 (capacity of 550 at approximately $100 a head)

Merchandise: Roughly worth $1.20 to $1.50 a head ($35,000 in round five)

Signage: Only one stand for signage opportunity not in television range.

Average crowd: 14,279 for the past three seasons (five of the past 13games against Sydney teams).





CAMPBELLTOWN SPORTS STADIUM

Capacity: 20,000

Expenditure: Operational costs: $70,000 (ground rental, hiring of the big screen, ushers, security, police, cleaning and waste removal).

Revenue

Ticket sales: $170,000 for a sell-out crowd at Campelltown.

Merchandise: Roughly worth $1.20 to $1.50 per head ($16,000 in round six for a crowd of just more than 6000)

Corporate: $47,000 (capacity of 470 at appx $100 a head)

Signage: Greatest opportunity for signage sales of all three venues because the club has 100 per cent inventory. However, appeal is lower because games are rarely on free-to-air television.

Average crowd: 13,256 for the past three years. (Six of the past 13games against Sydney teams)





ANZ STADIUM

Capacity: 82,000

Expenditure – Operational costs: $10,000-$15,000

Revenue

ANZ Stadium: In excess of $125,000 average guarantee.

Ticket sales: $0 (ANZ Stadium receive the money from ticket sales. There is a profit-share agreement in place for when all operational costs, including gate receipts, are met. This is an incentive for the club and venue to maximise crowds and receive an equal split.)

Merchandise: Budget for $1.50 a person, with average crowd attendances budgeted for 22,000 a game. On Easter Monday, as the away team, the club sold $16,000 worth of merchandise outside the stadium. The club was not entitled to merchandise rights at the ANZ Stadium and had to sell outside the ground).

Corporate: Estimated $70,000 (maximum capacity in excess of 1000)

Signage: Shared inventory for big screen and signage.

Average crowd: This is the first year of a new deal at ANZ Stadium. The Tigers averaged 18,018 at Allianz Stadium (one game at the SCG) during the past three years. Ten of the 12 games were against Sydney teams, the other two were against the Broncos. Their only home game at ANZ Stadium this year attracted 20,061.

Wests Tigers: The Tigers played some games at ANZ Stadium between 2005 and 2008, but in 2009 the club’s former administration signed a deal with Allianz Stadium to play four games a year at the venue. The club decided against extending its stay in the city despite being offered $100,000 a game to play at Allianz Stadium.

They are now in the first year of a 10-year deal with ANZ Stadium worth close to $500,000 for four games with the potential to play up to six games a year. The club put up an online poll before moving to ANZ Stadium, with 51per cent of fans voting in favour of the Olympic Park venue compared with 49 per cent at Allianz. However, the club believes it has more of a connection with the west rather than the city, plus it provides an opportunity to offer cheaper entry-level memberships worth $50 for eight games at ANZ Stadium (four home games and four away games with reciprocal membership rights). They now work in partnership with ANZ Stadium to promote the game, whereas at Leichhardt and Campbelltown they are the sole promoters.

‘‘The more games played at ANZ Stadium, the more leverage the game and the venue has with state and federal government to consistently upgrade and develop not only the facility but the precinct to provide customers an improved match-day experience,’’ Tigers chief executive Grant Mayer said. While some details of the finances of each club are private and confidential, Mayer believes sharing this information is beneficial for the game to drive greater commercial benefits for each club.

‘‘If the clubs pooled resources and negotiated as one, then our buying power is magnified exponentially and that increases the commercial return for the clubs,’’ Mayer said.


Its a false comparison and pretty much reinforces the case to play at Leichhardt and Campbelltown.

The $125,000 "average guarantee" (I believe it is closer to $100K now) is based on playing smaller crowds (that ANZ would LOSE money on) at Leichhardt and Campbelltown. What do you think would happen to that "average guarantee" if you said to ANZ (Stadiums NSW), "yeah but we also want to play another 6 games at your place, but you will lose money on each of them"? The guarentee would go down, naturally. Its business.

Seriously dont see why its an issue. The current situation works well for all parties and we wouldnt win a single extra game if we played all of our games out of ANZ.

It clearly doesn't work for everyone.

 

[gallagher]

From 2014:

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/home-truths-why-playing-at-big-venues-pays-off-for-sydney-clubs-20140426-zr05p.html#ixzz31MVgn900

WESTS TIGERS – Leichhardt Oval, Campbelltown Sports Stadium, ANZ Stadium



LEICHHARDT OVAL

Capacity: 20,000

Expenditure: Operational costs: $65,000 (Ground rental, hiring of the big screen, ushers, security, police, cleaning and waste removal).

Revenue

Ticket sales: $200,000 for a sell-out crowd at Leichhardt Oval. There is a budgeted difference in average ticket price between Leichhardt and Campbelltown, with about a $4-a-head higher return at Leichhardt. Undercover seats at the Leichhardt ground are scarce, therefore the higher premium charge.

Corporate: $55,000 (capacity of 550 at approximately $100 a head)

Merchandise: Roughly worth $1.20 to $1.50 a head ($35,000 in round five)

Signage: Only one stand for signage opportunity not in television range.

Average crowd: 14,279 for the past three seasons (five of the past 13games against Sydney teams).





CAMPBELLTOWN SPORTS STADIUM

Capacity: 20,000

Expenditure: Operational costs: $70,000 (ground rental, hiring of the big screen, ushers, security, police, cleaning and waste removal).

Revenue

Ticket sales: $170,000 for a sell-out crowd at Campelltown.

Merchandise: Roughly worth $1.20 to $1.50 per head ($16,000 in round six for a crowd of just more than 6000)

Corporate: $47,000 (capacity of 470 at appx $100 a head)

Signage: Greatest opportunity for signage sales of all three venues because the club has 100 per cent inventory. However, appeal is lower because games are rarely on free-to-air television.

Average crowd: 13,256 for the past three years. (Six of the past 13games against Sydney teams)





ANZ STADIUM

Capacity: 82,000

Expenditure – Operational costs: $10,000-$15,000

Revenue

ANZ Stadium: In excess of $125,000 average guarantee.

Ticket sales: $0 (ANZ Stadium receive the money from ticket sales. There is a profit-share agreement in place for when all operational costs, including gate receipts, are met. This is an incentive for the club and venue to maximise crowds and receive an equal split.)

Merchandise: Budget for $1.50 a person, with average crowd attendances budgeted for 22,000 a game. On Easter Monday, as the away team, the club sold $16,000 worth of merchandise outside the stadium. The club was not entitled to merchandise rights at the ANZ Stadium and had to sell outside the ground).

Corporate: Estimated $70,000 (maximum capacity in excess of 1000)

Signage: Shared inventory for big screen and signage.

Average crowd: This is the first year of a new deal at ANZ Stadium. The Tigers averaged 18,018 at Allianz Stadium (one game at the SCG) during the past three years. Ten of the 12 games were against Sydney teams, the other two were against the Broncos. Their only home game at ANZ Stadium this year attracted 20,061.

Wests Tigers: The Tigers played some games at ANZ Stadium between 2005 and 2008, but in 2009 the club’s former administration signed a deal with Allianz Stadium to play four games a year at the venue. The club decided against extending its stay in the city despite being offered $100,000 a game to play at Allianz Stadium.

They are now in the first year of a 10-year deal with ANZ Stadium worth close to $500,000 for four games with the potential to play up to six games a year. The club put up an online poll before moving to ANZ Stadium, with 51per cent of fans voting in favour of the Olympic Park venue compared with 49 per cent at Allianz. However, the club believes it has more of a connection with the west rather than the city, plus it provides an opportunity to offer cheaper entry-level memberships worth $50 for eight games at ANZ Stadium (four home games and four away games with reciprocal membership rights). They now work in partnership with ANZ Stadium to promote the game, whereas at Leichhardt and Campbelltown they are the sole promoters.

‘‘The more games played at ANZ Stadium, the more leverage the game and the venue has with state and federal government to consistently upgrade and develop not only the facility but the precinct to provide customers an improved match-day experience,’’ Tigers chief executive Grant Mayer said. While some details of the finances of each club are private and confidential, Mayer believes sharing this information is beneficial for the game to drive greater commercial benefits for each club.

‘‘If the clubs pooled resources and negotiated as one, then our buying power is magnified exponentially and that increases the commercial return for the clubs,’’ Mayer said.


Its a false comparison and pretty much reinforces the case to play at Leichhardt and Campbelltown.

The $125,000 "average guarantee" (I believe it is closer to $100K now) is based on playing smaller crowds (that ANZ would LOSE money on) at Leichhardt and Campbelltown. What do you think would happen to that "average guarantee" if you said to ANZ (Stadiums NSW), "yeah but we also want to play another 6 games at your place, but you will lose money on each of them"? The guarentee would go down, naturally. Its business.

Seriously dont see why its an issue. The current situation works well for all parties and we wouldnt win a single extra game if we played all of our games out of ANZ.

South's and the dogs have played most their games there for years. Roosters at SFS, donkeys at Suncorp It works.

 

[Tiger5150]

From 2014:

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/home-truths-why-playing-at-big-venues-pays-off-for-sydney-clubs-20140426-zr05p.html#ixzz31MVgn900

WESTS TIGERS – Leichhardt Oval, Campbelltown Sports Stadium, ANZ Stadium



LEICHHARDT OVAL

Capacity: 20,000

Expenditure: Operational costs: $65,000 (Ground rental, hiring of the big screen, ushers, security, police, cleaning and waste removal).

Revenue

Ticket sales: $200,000 for a sell-out crowd at Leichhardt Oval. There is a budgeted difference in average ticket price between Leichhardt and Campbelltown, with about a $4-a-head higher return at Leichhardt. Undercover seats at the Leichhardt ground are scarce, therefore the higher premium charge.

Corporate: $55,000 (capacity of 550 at approximately $100 a head)

Merchandise: Roughly worth $1.20 to $1.50 a head ($35,000 in round five)

Signage: Only one stand for signage opportunity not in television range.

Average crowd: 14,279 for the past three seasons (five of the past 13games against Sydney teams).





CAMPBELLTOWN SPORTS STADIUM

Capacity: 20,000

Expenditure: Operational costs: $70,000 (ground rental, hiring of the big screen, ushers, security, police, cleaning and waste removal).

Revenue

Ticket sales: $170,000 for a sell-out crowd at Campelltown.

Merchandise: Roughly worth $1.20 to $1.50 per head ($16,000 in round six for a crowd of just more than 6000)

Corporate: $47,000 (capacity of 470 at appx $100 a head)

Signage: Greatest opportunity for signage sales of all three venues because the club has 100 per cent inventory. However, appeal is lower because games are rarely on free-to-air television.

Average crowd: 13,256 for the past three years. (Six of the past 13games against Sydney teams)





ANZ STADIUM

Capacity: 82,000

Expenditure – Operational costs: $10,000-$15,000

Revenue

ANZ Stadium: In excess of $125,000 average guarantee.

Ticket sales: $0 (ANZ Stadium receive the money from ticket sales. There is a profit-share agreement in place for when all operational costs, including gate receipts, are met. This is an incentive for the club and venue to maximise crowds and receive an equal split.)

Merchandise: Budget for $1.50 a person, with average crowd attendances budgeted for 22,000 a game. On Easter Monday, as the away team, the club sold $16,000 worth of merchandise outside the stadium. The club was not entitled to merchandise rights at the ANZ Stadium and had to sell outside the ground).

Corporate: Estimated $70,000 (maximum capacity in excess of 1000)

Signage: Shared inventory for big screen and signage.

Average crowd: This is the first year of a new deal at ANZ Stadium. The Tigers averaged 18,018 at Allianz Stadium (one game at the SCG) during the past three years. Ten of the 12 games were against Sydney teams, the other two were against the Broncos. Their only home game at ANZ Stadium this year attracted 20,061.

Wests Tigers: The Tigers played some games at ANZ Stadium between 2005 and 2008, but in 2009 the club’s former administration signed a deal with Allianz Stadium to play four games a year at the venue. The club decided against extending its stay in the city despite being offered $100,000 a game to play at Allianz Stadium.

They are now in the first year of a 10-year deal with ANZ Stadium worth close to $500,000 for four games with the potential to play up to six games a year. The club put up an online poll before moving to ANZ Stadium, with 51per cent of fans voting in favour of the Olympic Park venue compared with 49 per cent at Allianz. However, the club believes it has more of a connection with the west rather than the city, plus it provides an opportunity to offer cheaper entry-level memberships worth $50 for eight games at ANZ Stadium (four home games and four away games with reciprocal membership rights). They now work in partnership with ANZ Stadium to promote the game, whereas at Leichhardt and Campbelltown they are the sole promoters.

‘‘The more games played at ANZ Stadium, the more leverage the game and the venue has with state and federal government to consistently upgrade and develop not only the facility but the precinct to provide customers an improved match-day experience,’’ Tigers chief executive Grant Mayer said. While some details of the finances of each club are private and confidential, Mayer believes sharing this information is beneficial for the game to drive greater commercial benefits for each club.

‘‘If the clubs pooled resources and negotiated as one, then our buying power is magnified exponentially and that increases the commercial return for the clubs,’’ Mayer said.


Its a false comparison and pretty much reinforces the case to play at Leichhardt and Campbelltown.

The $125,000 "average guarantee" (I believe it is closer to $100K now) is based on playing smaller crowds (that ANZ would LOSE money on) at Leichhardt and Campbelltown. What do you think would happen to that "average guarantee" if you said to ANZ (Stadiums NSW), "yeah but we also want to play another 6 games at your place, but you will lose money on each of them"? The guarentee would go down, naturally. Its business.

Seriously dont see why its an issue. The current situation works well for all parties and we wouldnt win a single extra game if we played all of our games out of ANZ.

South's and the dogs have played most their games there for years. Roosters at SFS, donkeys at Suncorp It works.

Does that mean it cant be done better? Do you think that if Redfern and Belmore met NRL specs they wouldnt take NQ or Titans games there if they could make money and keep fans happy?

 

[gallagher]

Of all the sporting clubs, in all sports, all over the world we are the one club that uses 4 grounds in the one city.
Odds are that we are the dumb arses.

 

[Tiger5150]

From 2014:

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/home-truths-why-playing-at-big-venues-pays-off-for-sydney-clubs-20140426-zr05p.html#ixzz31MVgn900

WESTS TIGERS – Leichhardt Oval, Campbelltown Sports Stadium, ANZ Stadium



LEICHHARDT OVAL

Capacity: 20,000

Expenditure: Operational costs: $65,000 (Ground rental, hiring of the big screen, ushers, security, police, cleaning and waste removal).

Revenue

Ticket sales: $200,000 for a sell-out crowd at Leichhardt Oval. There is a budgeted difference in average ticket price between Leichhardt and Campbelltown, with about a $4-a-head higher return at Leichhardt. Undercover seats at the Leichhardt ground are scarce, therefore the higher premium charge.

Corporate: $55,000 (capacity of 550 at approximately $100 a head)

Merchandise: Roughly worth $1.20 to $1.50 a head ($35,000 in round five)

Signage: Only one stand for signage opportunity not in television range.

Average crowd: 14,279 for the past three seasons (five of the past 13games against Sydney teams).





CAMPBELLTOWN SPORTS STADIUM

Capacity: 20,000

Expenditure: Operational costs: $70,000 (ground rental, hiring of the big screen, ushers, security, police, cleaning and waste removal).

Revenue

Ticket sales: $170,000 for a sell-out crowd at Campelltown.

Merchandise: Roughly worth $1.20 to $1.50 per head ($16,000 in round six for a crowd of just more than 6000)

Corporate: $47,000 (capacity of 470 at appx $100 a head)

Signage: Greatest opportunity for signage sales of all three venues because the club has 100 per cent inventory. However, appeal is lower because games are rarely on free-to-air television.

Average crowd: 13,256 for the past three years. (Six of the past 13games against Sydney teams)





ANZ STADIUM

Capacity: 82,000

Expenditure – Operational costs: $10,000-$15,000

Revenue

ANZ Stadium: In excess of $125,000 average guarantee.

Ticket sales: $0 (ANZ Stadium receive the money from ticket sales. There is a profit-share agreement in place for when all operational costs, including gate receipts, are met. This is an incentive for the club and venue to maximise crowds and receive an equal split.)

Merchandise: Budget for $1.50 a person, with average crowd attendances budgeted for 22,000 a game. On Easter Monday, as the away team, the club sold $16,000 worth of merchandise outside the stadium. The club was not entitled to merchandise rights at the ANZ Stadium and had to sell outside the ground).

Corporate: Estimated $70,000 (maximum capacity in excess of 1000)

Signage: Shared inventory for big screen and signage.

Average crowd: This is the first year of a new deal at ANZ Stadium. The Tigers averaged 18,018 at Allianz Stadium (one game at the SCG) during the past three years. Ten of the 12 games were against Sydney teams, the other two were against the Broncos. Their only home game at ANZ Stadium this year attracted 20,061.

Wests Tigers: The Tigers played some games at ANZ Stadium between 2005 and 2008, but in 2009 the club’s former administration signed a deal with Allianz Stadium to play four games a year at the venue. The club decided against extending its stay in the city despite being offered $100,000 a game to play at Allianz Stadium.

They are now in the first year of a 10-year deal with ANZ Stadium worth close to $500,000 for four games with the potential to play up to six games a year. The club put up an online poll before moving to ANZ Stadium, with 51per cent of fans voting in favour of the Olympic Park venue compared with 49 per cent at Allianz. However, the club believes it has more of a connection with the west rather than the city, plus it provides an opportunity to offer cheaper entry-level memberships worth $50 for eight games at ANZ Stadium (four home games and four away games with reciprocal membership rights). They now work in partnership with ANZ Stadium to promote the game, whereas at Leichhardt and Campbelltown they are the sole promoters.

‘‘The more games played at ANZ Stadium, the more leverage the game and the venue has with state and federal government to consistently upgrade and develop not only the facility but the precinct to provide customers an improved match-day experience,’’ Tigers chief executive Grant Mayer said. While some details of the finances of each club are private and confidential, Mayer believes sharing this information is beneficial for the game to drive greater commercial benefits for each club.

‘‘If the clubs pooled resources and negotiated as one, then our buying power is magnified exponentially and that increases the commercial return for the clubs,’’ Mayer said.


Its a false comparison and pretty much reinforces the case to play at Leichhardt and Campbelltown.

The $125,000 "average guarantee" (I believe it is closer to $100K now) is based on playing smaller crowds (that ANZ would LOSE money on) at Leichhardt and Campbelltown. What do you think would happen to that "average guarantee" if you said to ANZ (Stadiums NSW), "yeah but we also want to play another 6 games at your place, but you will lose money on each of them"? The guarentee would go down, naturally. Its business.

Seriously dont see why its an issue. The current situation works well for all parties and we wouldnt win a single extra game if we played all of our games out of ANZ.

It clearly doesn't work for everyone.

Ok, nothing works for everyone. Ill tell you who it DOES work for. It works for the Wests Tigers and Stadiums NSW. It also works for casual fans who might only go to a few games a year and they see LO as a "match day experience" of which there are MANY (majority of the hill IMO. Do you think that crowd numbers at LO against NQ will translate to the same numbers at ANZ?