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@Cultured Bogan said:
Abbott defeats the spill 61-39.

40% of the party is against him less than a year and a half into the job. Dead man walking.

Disagree that he is a dead man walking. His party with him as leader easily won an Australia wide election less than 18 months ago. He should be given an Australian fair go chance to show what he can do over his full 3 years tenure which is what the Australian electorate voted him for.

To provide a sporting analogy, Chris Lawrence's form has certainly been down for the past 2 or 3 years yet he has a contract until 2016\. He is still playing first grade and most supporters are happy to give him another chance in first grade this year to allow him to improve his form.
 
I disagree with that assessment Newtown. Australia gave him a fair go on the basis he didn't stuff around with the health system, education or cut funding to the ABC. He has since tried to impose a co-payment on Medicare, wants to deregulate university fees and is cutting funding to the ABC. He is a bald faced liar, he's on the nose with the moderates and left, and even the right wing battlers who like their Medicare (while howling how terrible Gough was,) have even turned on him.

Gillard got knifed before the election for the very same reasons. She lost the electorate and in turn the party scrambled to save their own necks. The LNP will do the same to Tony. It's all an exercise in self preservation for the rest of the party so they don't get turfed next election.

Let's not forget Keating lost his first challenge to Hawke by similar numbers. Six months later he was PM.
 
@Cultured Bogan said:
@guyofthetiger said:
The question for non LNP die-hards must be whether Turnbull has the courage of his convictions.

Standing by Abbott's bumbling daily cycle of moronic buffoonery has left Turnbull looking rather wishy washy ethically.

Sure it's politics. But there's a desperate need to move beyond politics when it comes to climate change.

As we resign ourselves now to the impending likelihood of a 3 degree rise in temperature, it's surely time we actually genuinely thought about the interests of our children in terms of preventing a 4+ degree rise.

Anyone who doesn't know the implications of a 3+ degree rise and therefore the implications of the climate policies of who they vote for, needs to do some rapid getting up to speed on the dire future facing our children and grandchildren.

Nothing makes my blood boil more than both parties doing nothing yet saying they represent the interests of Australian families.

At the end of the day he will just be a figurehead. How he feels about the ETS doesn't reflect on what the LNP want.

And for that reason I'm glad there wasn't a change.

The LNP has managed to recruit every last scared little old balding bespectacled God fearing limp minded backward non compus mentus vermin willing to scuttle out of a cockroach hole into office.

I'd be happy to see Turnbull in office but the LNP need a total cleanout first.

Meanwhile, let them rot in their ignorance.

We need a new government with the courage of its convictions which will make a stand.
Or we're done for.
And you can talk money and debts all you like but it means nothing if the planet's uninhabitable.

Just leaves me gobsmacked every time the Gillard government is criticised when it brought in the platform that every elite mind has recommended as the best way to tackle climate change - a pathway to an ETS with massive investment in renewables.

Pathetically convenient that this is the one domain that that neo cons argue against a market driven solution, when they're backed by fossil fuel dollars.

Talk about criminal conspiracies on a grand scale, when you combine the actions of Murdoch.

Not to mention this government expecting taxpayers to foot the $2 billion bill for polluters under the direct (in)action plan.

Credit to Abbott for the biggest political scam ever, in convincing an educated country that they should foot the $2 billion bill in accounting for the carbon footprint of their big polluting brethren, not to mention selling the idea that collecting a little more revenue from the mining moguls before they cut and run is an outrage AGAINST the people!

Turnbull having to repackage this governments disastrous policies would be just another case of selling sub prime debts as triple A investments via a pre-purchased 5 star Moody's rating.
No thanks.

This government needs to be forced into an election ASAP.
Either that or the International Court needs to start convicting climate criminals like this government for ecocide ASAP.
 
@guyofthetiger said:
@Cultured Bogan said:
@guyofthetiger said:
The question for non LNP die-hards must be whether Turnbull has the courage of his convictions.

Standing by Abbott's bumbling daily cycle of moronic buffoonery has left Turnbull looking rather wishy washy ethically.

Sure it's politics. But there's a desperate need to move beyond politics when it comes to climate change.

As we resign ourselves now to the impending likelihood of a 3 degree rise in temperature, it's surely time we actually genuinely thought about the interests of our children in terms of preventing a 4+ degree rise.

Anyone who doesn't know the implications of a 3+ degree rise and therefore the implications of the climate policies of who they vote for, needs to do some rapid getting up to speed on the dire future facing our children and grandchildren.

Nothing makes my blood boil more than both parties doing nothing yet saying they represent the interests of Australian families.

At the end of the day he will just be a figurehead. How he feels about the ETS doesn't reflect on what the LNP want.

And for that reason I'm glad there wasn't a change.

**The LNP has managed to recruit every last scared little old balding bespectacled God fearing limp minded backward non compus mentus vermin willing to scuttle out of a cockroach hole into office.**

I'd be happy to see Turnbull in office but the LNP need a total cleanout first.

Meanwhile, let them rot in their ignorance.

We need a new government with the courage of its convictions which will make a stand.
Or we're done for.
And you can talk money and debts all you like but it means nothing if the planet's uninhabitable.

Just leaves me gobsmacked every time the Gillard government is criticised when it brought in the platform that every elite mind has recommended as the best way to tackle climate change - a pathway to an ETS with massive investment in renewables.

Pathetically convenient that this is the one domain that that neo cons argue against a market driven solution, when they're backed by fossil fuel dollars.

Talk about criminal conspiracies on a grand scale, when you combine the actions of Murdoch.

Not to mention this government expecting taxpayers to foot the $2 billion bill for polluters under the direct (in)action plan.

Credit to Abbott for the biggest political scam ever, in convincing an educated country that they should foot the $2 billion bill in accounting for the carbon footprint of their big polluting brethren, not to mention selling the idea that collecting a little more revenue from the mining moguls before they cut and run is an outrage AGAINST the people!

Turnbull having to repackage this governments disastrous policies would be just another case of selling sub prime debts as triple A investments via a pre-purchased 5 star Moody's rating.
No thanks.

This government needs to be forced into an election ASAP.
Either that or the International Court needs to start convicting climate criminals like this government for ecocide ASAP.

:roll That is the best, most apt description of the current LNP ever! John Cleese would be proud :laughing:
 
The fear campaign has been steadily growing momentum and received a boost by that stupid decision by the Q&A programmers, that allowed the government to bring up the with or against us bs again. Sadly, I expect it will only ramp up as a major focus of the upcoming election campaign.
 
The politics of hate/fear and smear are alive under the government of abbott/murdoch.Sadly such a divisive policy could easily work, i expect to see a lot more focus on patriotism from them because it is the easiest way to promote bigotry.
 
Yep, what a disaster. Abbott will probably my get off the hook for arguably the worst front bench, terrible policies and lack of leadership in a generation.

All he now needs to do is divide the nation through a fear campaign and his popularity will soar.

If only Australians were smarter. It is genuinely a shame that we are not.

Turnbull doesn't suit a hate filled political landscape and hence as of yesterday's attacks he is much further away. That is a tragedy for us all.

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http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/sep/04/tony-abbotts-first-two-years-despite-the-daily-battles-hes-losing-the-war

Thread's gone pretty quiet.

well done all of you who voted in the biggest gronk in political history.
 
@Winnipeg said:
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/sep/04/tony-abbotts-first-two-years-despite-the-daily-battles-hes-losing-the-war

Thread's gone pretty quiet.

well done all of you who voted in the biggest gronk in political history.

The corporate cronies have got what they wanted, so are no longer funding campaigns to hoodwink the public and whipping up a frenzy, whilst those providing services to the poor and disadvantaged have been cut back so much that they dare not rock the boat with the threat of further cuts hovering.

Imagine how much worse it would be if the independents did not hold the balance in the upper house (despite some of them allowing the conservatives to repeal constructive legislation and taking us in the opposite direction to pretty well the rest of the world), the poorest amongst us would have been even worse off.
 
@Flippedy said:
@stryker said:
As bad as Abott is he isn't Rudd, Gillard nor that snake Shorten.

Severe lack of talent in the current crop.

No he isn't…he's far worse! :lol:

Cmon Flip - The Last labor term has left as a nation in the worst state ever.

Fiscally and morally.

This Lib Gov is struggling for persuasion and popularity but their steering us back to where we were Kevin07.

Guys If we think the libs are lacking in talent, look over the fence at labor. Everything they touch turns to sewage.
 
Both sides are as bad as each other, no way id endorse Labor. But Abbott is one of the biggest embarrassment's this country has ever had to the rest of the world.

Everything from his catatonic behavior when pressed by a reporter to explain himself when talking pretty flippantly in regards to the death of an Aussie soldier, publicly going on record as saying he feels threatened by homosexuals, to just last week when he laughed at a tasteless joke about flooding in the pacific islands over an open mic, and the dozen other gaffs he'a made over the yrs.

Being a liberal supporter is one thing, being a supporter of this cancer, and not seeing how unfit he is to hold his position is another.
 
Can't believe Abbott lasted this long , Turnbull will become the people's darling even though he will battle harder against his own over the next 18 months

Finally someone with a financial brain as leader , best since Paul Keating
 
Amazing that we will have had 4 PM's in the space of two and a half years. They used to at least get their 3 year elected term. But those times are long gone now. 18 months - two years in then call an election to keep your job as PM.
 
Does anybody want to vote for me?

I'll throw in a 100% money-back satisfaction gurantee.

If I'm not 100% satisified with earning $197,000 AUD for the rest of my life even If I never get elected again I will give the money back!

Still glad I made the decision to emigrate, makes it easier to laugh at the situation.
 
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