Robbie Farah..Discussion Thread.....
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Given all of the innuendo in this thread Geo, getting it straight is the least of anyone's worries it would seem.
foreveratiger
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This thread should take us through to the Auckland 9's :roll
Pawsandclaws
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Taylor was unpopular. But there was and still is a popular figure who may have made JT feel a bit insecure.
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@Geo. said:
I dont claim to have all the facts Geo, the point that has been made though is that it wasnt just Farah going to the coach after the first couple of losses. He backed the coach and tried to get the young guys to buy into it, they didnt!
he did what a captain should.
@Geo. said:
I'd say 19 rounds into the season is pretty late considering there are only 7 rounds left. If i remember correctly, the fans were calling for JT's head by round 10 at the latest for his inept coaching tactics.
It isn't outside the realms of possibility that the players (similarly to the fans) became worried with JT's poor coaching tactics and 'structures' around the cowboys, knights or titans games prior to round 19\. Perhaps when they approached JT around this time through Robbie, JT conjured up the plan to sack Robbie in search of total authority rather then perhaps taking on board the concerns of his players. Everyone knows criticism isn't JT's strong point though…
If relations between Robbie Farah and Wests Tigers continue down their poisonous path, club officials may elect to pay him out, rather than retain what they clearly perceive to be a divisive force.
Suppose Farah's management is offered a $800,000 a year payout on the remaining two years of his contract, understood to be $925,000 a year. If another NRL club, such as Souths, offered him $200,000 a season, it would be an attractive proposition, playing for a more competitive team. However, the NRL would insist Souths outlay a figure commensurate with the value of an Australian and NSW hooker.
This would mean Souths paying $500,000, which allows Wests Tigers the opportunity of negotiating down some of the money they were prepared to outlay to release him. But salary cap space is the most valuable real estate in rugby league, apart from the 15cm between a halfback's ears, and it is unlikely any club would have a spare half a million dollars, particularly so late in a season.
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It all adds up to Farah being out of a job in Australia, which may explain why one former, out of work, Wests Tigers coach sent a text message this week to a former board member, using the word "karma".
I haven't talked with Farah or Wests Tigers coach Jason Taylor in a decade, nor with Taylor's assistant, Rod "Rocket" Reddy whom I coached at St George. "Rocket", apart from being a former international back-rower, is one of those jovial, amiable types that intense coaches like having around the clubhouse to lighten the mood. I'm told it was "Rocket" who communicated the message to Farah that he would be playing reserve grade should he remain at the Tigers.
For him to render this brutal cut, there must be a serious disconnect between Farah and the coaching staff. Or between Farah and his young teammates who see a bright future for the club. From what I see on the field there have been times these creative halves, clearly building for an opportunity to score, have been stranded when Farah suddenly makes a run from dummy half. I've seen similar wrong options taken in State of Origin matches but I defer here to NSW coach Laurie Daley who has made a spirited defence of Farah, declaring he would choose the 31-year-old from the NSW Cup. A cynic might suggest Daley has to say this, given NSW's dearth of rakes - of this year's back-up options, Michael Ennis is nearing the end of his career and Ryan Hinchcliffe is heading to Huddersfield.
Some would say Farah's desperation to score himself, when the team has other plans, is an indication of his ultra-competitiveness. A workhorse around the ruck, he would make a mule drool. He regularly tops the tackle count but his 80 minutes in the middle of the ruck hasn't stopped his team having the worst defence in the NRL last year and the second worst in 2013\. It's been reported Farah takes losing so badly, it becomes a negative force. From what I have seen of modern footballers, this can't be all bad.
With full-time employment, professional footballers have become 9 to 5 workers and the gap between winning and losing is diminishing, unlike the euphoric highs and debilitating lows we experienced in the dinosaur days.
No, there must be something seriously wrong for Wests Tigers to be taking this step. The board is strongly backing Taylor, despite savage criticism from broadcaster and former Balmain coach, Alan Jones. Former federal sports minister, John Brown, has written a letter, co-signed with Balmain legend, Benny Elias, to NRL chief executive Dave Smith asking him to reconcile coach and captain.
Sometimes a captain's need to be loved bisects a coach's need to be right but I don't think it applies here. Farah has his coterie of admirers for daily coffees.
It's been reported club benefactor Harry Triguboff might pay off the $4.5m due early next year to restore the Balmain Tigers to half ownership of Wests Tigers. Furthermore, it's been suggested Triguboff could buy out Wests share. The Magpies have a veto over any new partner but Wests' two directors on the NRL club's board have business backgrounds. They would have to consider a $50m offer for Wests' share, particularly with $20m in refurbishments planned for their licensed premises at Ashfield. The remainder could go to seeing the Magpie as a stand-alone emblem, soaring again in the forthcoming, revitalised NSW Cup.
The NRL has lost $40m in funding from Sydney licensed clubs in the past few years, a reason why Smith will back the decisive leadership of the Wests Tigers board who seek a commitment from all to a strong, unified culture.
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Suppose Farah's management is offered a $800,000 a year payout on the remaining two years of his contract, understood to be $925,000 a year. If another NRL club, such as Souths, offered him $200,000 a season, it would be an attractive proposition, playing for a more competitive team. However, the NRL would insist Souths outlay a figure commensurate with the value of an Australian and NSW hooker.
This would mean Souths paying $500,000, which allows Wests Tigers the opportunity of negotiating down some of the money they were prepared to outlay to release him. But salary cap space is the most valuable real estate in rugby league, apart from the 15cm between a halfback's ears, and it is unlikely any club would have a spare half a million dollars, particularly so late in a season.
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It all adds up to Farah being out of a job in Australia, which may explain why one former, out of work, Wests Tigers coach sent a text message this week to a former board member, using the word "karma".
I haven't talked with Farah or Wests Tigers coach Jason Taylor in a decade, nor with Taylor's assistant, Rod "Rocket" Reddy whom I coached at St George. "Rocket", apart from being a former international back-rower, is one of those jovial, amiable types that intense coaches like having around the clubhouse to lighten the mood. I'm told it was "Rocket" who communicated the message to Farah that he would be playing reserve grade should he remain at the Tigers.
For him to render this brutal cut, there must be a serious disconnect between Farah and the coaching staff. Or between Farah and his young teammates who see a bright future for the club. From what I see on the field there have been times these creative halves, clearly building for an opportunity to score, have been stranded when Farah suddenly makes a run from dummy half. I've seen similar wrong options taken in State of Origin matches but I defer here to NSW coach Laurie Daley who has made a spirited defence of Farah, declaring he would choose the 31-year-old from the NSW Cup. A cynic might suggest Daley has to say this, given NSW's dearth of rakes - of this year's back-up options, Michael Ennis is nearing the end of his career and Ryan Hinchcliffe is heading to Huddersfield.
Some would say Farah's desperation to score himself, when the team has other plans, is an indication of his ultra-competitiveness. A workhorse around the ruck, he would make a mule drool. He regularly tops the tackle count but his 80 minutes in the middle of the ruck hasn't stopped his team having the worst defence in the NRL last year and the second worst in 2013\. It's been reported Farah takes losing so badly, it becomes a negative force. From what I have seen of modern footballers, this can't be all bad.
With full-time employment, professional footballers have become 9 to 5 workers and the gap between winning and losing is diminishing, unlike the euphoric highs and debilitating lows we experienced in the dinosaur days.
No, there must be something seriously wrong for Wests Tigers to be taking this step. The board is strongly backing Taylor, despite savage criticism from broadcaster and former Balmain coach, Alan Jones. Former federal sports minister, John Brown, has written a letter, co-signed with Balmain legend, Benny Elias, to NRL chief executive Dave Smith asking him to reconcile coach and captain.
Sometimes a captain's need to be loved bisects a coach's need to be right but I don't think it applies here. Farah has his coterie of admirers for daily coffees.
It's been reported club benefactor Harry Triguboff might pay off the $4.5m due early next year to restore the Balmain Tigers to half ownership of Wests Tigers. Furthermore, it's been suggested Triguboff could buy out Wests share. The Magpies have a veto over any new partner but Wests' two directors on the NRL club's board have business backgrounds. They would have to consider a $50m offer for Wests' share, particularly with $20m in refurbishments planned for their licensed premises at Ashfield. The remainder could go to seeing the Magpie as a stand-alone emblem, soaring again in the forthcoming, revitalised NSW Cup.
The NRL has lost $40m in funding from Sydney licensed clubs in the past few years, a reason why Smith will back the decisive leadership of the Wests Tigers board who seek a commitment from all to a strong, unified culture.
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GNR4LIFE
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This would be extreme to say the least, but would exemplify how much they don't want him at the club. They have to go through with their decision now. Yes its a PR embarrassment, but how much worse would it be if they released that statement, the fans backlash and then they say ''oh we change our mind, he can stay now''. Supporters wear their heats on their sleeve. I'm sure Marina and co will figure it out eventually. You run the club, not the supporters.
gallagher
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$50mill for wests share? Safe to ssy they aren't interested in selling?
diedpretty
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I thought the article had a lot of interesting points but was unable to discuss any thing as it has been locked - why?
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It is on the topic of Robbie Farah …you may now comment away...
diedpretty
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Oh its not locked - the hatred for Masters by many on here stems from the obvious - however if you read the article with something other than one black and one orange eye it does throw up some interesting insights as to why and where this club is heading. Now that the initial media hype is dying down more people are beginning to see the reason behind this decision - and not everyone is backing Robbie. Nathan Brown and Mick Potter on Sterlo both virtually said it would be a good thing for both the club and Robbie to part ways. The panel talked about culture being more about leadership and all being on the same page without question. The inference was that Robbie while a good leader isn't always on the same page as everyone else. As good a player as he is and has been for this club I think he should go.
Whichever side of the fence you sit on the whole Farah v Taylor/Board situation the unfortunate aftermath is the fractured forum we will be left with for some time to come.
What's worse, and even sadder, is to see forum members who joked along with each other, and us all, now seemingly at each others throats in a battle of oneupmanship.
To be honest I'm not totally immune from this criticism either.
What I find to be most embarrassing is to see people (on both sides of the divide) need to resort to the character assassination of Farah, Taylor, Go and all the people involved without knowing any real facts.
My personal view is that the board let it get out of hand and should have forced a resolution between coach and captain before anybody got wind of this.
As much as there is the call for a strong board and a coach with total control the truth is that most supporters don't follow a coach or board - they follow the team and it's players.
In Farah's case he's the captain, longest serving player and, arguably, the most passionate WestsTigers player of them all.
It's hard to imagine that nobody on the board could have foreseen how this would play out the way it has been presented to the fans.
Now we lose if Farah goes and Taylor gets the boot - and vice versa.
There is no winner in this.
If the sponsors get their knickers in a knot and pull out we're in an even bigger hole.
Whether you like him or not everybody knows Farah is not a reserve grade, part time footballer.
In my opinion the board, Taylor and Farah need to sit down and work out how Farah can stay for a year to transition the team and leave graciously to a final year in the UK.
I know that's not everyones opinion - but everyone is entitled to one.
As for the forum, I think it's about time we took getting personal and abusive out of the debate.
What's worse, and even sadder, is to see forum members who joked along with each other, and us all, now seemingly at each others throats in a battle of oneupmanship.
To be honest I'm not totally immune from this criticism either.
What I find to be most embarrassing is to see people (on both sides of the divide) need to resort to the character assassination of Farah, Taylor, Go and all the people involved without knowing any real facts.
My personal view is that the board let it get out of hand and should have forced a resolution between coach and captain before anybody got wind of this.
As much as there is the call for a strong board and a coach with total control the truth is that most supporters don't follow a coach or board - they follow the team and it's players.
In Farah's case he's the captain, longest serving player and, arguably, the most passionate WestsTigers player of them all.
It's hard to imagine that nobody on the board could have foreseen how this would play out the way it has been presented to the fans.
Now we lose if Farah goes and Taylor gets the boot - and vice versa.
There is no winner in this.
If the sponsors get their knickers in a knot and pull out we're in an even bigger hole.
Whether you like him or not everybody knows Farah is not a reserve grade, part time footballer.
In my opinion the board, Taylor and Farah need to sit down and work out how Farah can stay for a year to transition the team and leave graciously to a final year in the UK.
I know that's not everyones opinion - but everyone is entitled to one.
As for the forum, I think it's about time we took getting personal and abusive out of the debate.
Good post CK
