Te Maire Martin

[goldcoast_tiger]

Te Maire Martin ripped the Knights apart in Round 10 ‪#‎HoldenCup‬ action - leading the Wests Tigers to a 52-16 mauling in Newcastle.

Martin scored a hat-trick, had a leading hand in 4 more tries, ran 12 times for 223 metres, had 2 line break assists, a line break, 2 tackle busts, made 12 tackles and kicked 9 times for 229 metres.
Has to be a priority retention.

Not meany to put a downer on his game , but why does anyone put any importance in performances in the under 20 comp. There is such a lack of good defence in this comp, that it makes some kids look like superman, and has done so since its inception.
It's easy to stand out in attack in this comp as defence is almost a dirty word

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I know the club rates him. Problem is the age difference between he and Moses is so close it makes it hard to keep him if Mitch is in front. Martin's biggest opportunity to crack FG is if Moses cops a serious injury or his form drops away so much that Taylor has no choice but to give him a spell in State Cup.

That will never happen, I'm beginning to think that when Taylor was signed. He was told that Moses had to be kept there.
I remember that Somethingbwas said about whether he was prepared to work with these players.
Maybe it didn't mean specifically the halves , but who knows with this club.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Can he not be retained without it being all about Mitchel Moses?

Good clubs dont let talent like this go, its that simple.
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This guys body shape and game he is going to play once he fills out is a fair bit different to Moses, there is room for both in a squad.

Probably not in this club.

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

Te Maire Martin ripped the Knights apart in Round 10 ‪#‎HoldenCup‬ action - leading the Wests Tigers to a 52-16 mauling in Newcastle.

Martin scored a hat-trick, had a leading hand in 4 more tries, ran 12 times for 223 metres, had 2 line break assists, a line break, 2 tackle busts, made 12 tackles and kicked 9 times for 229 metres.
Has to be a priority retention.

Not meany to put a downer on his game , but why does anyone put any importance in performances in the under 20 comp. There is such a lack of good defence in this comp, that it makes some kids look like superman, and has done so since its inception.
It's easy to stand out in attack in this comp as defence is almost a dirty word

Its a fair point, from what i saw of the game the Knights defense was average. But i like this kid, he does things kids his age dont do.

Was the same thing with Brooks and Moses, they carved up against junior teams with average defense.

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

The club has him listed at 183cm and 85kg.

Thats already 5kgs heavier than Moses. Given 24 months in a system with the right strength and conditioning he isnt going to be this slight little guy some of you guys are suggesting.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Te Maire Martin ripped the Knights apart in Round 10 ‪#‎HoldenCup‬ action - leading the Wests Tigers to a 52-16 mauling in Newcastle.

Martin scored a hat-trick, had a leading hand in 4 more tries, ran 12 times for 223 metres, had 2 line break assists, a line break, 2 tackle busts, made 12 tackles and kicked 9 times for 229 metres.
Has to be a priority retention.

Not meany to put a downer on his game , but why does anyone put any importance in performances in the under 20 comp. There is such a lack of good defence in this comp, that it makes some kids look like superman, and has done so since its inception.
It's easy to stand out in attack in this comp as defence is almost a dirty word

Its a fair point, from what i saw of the game the Knights defense was average. But i like this kid, he does things kids his age dont do.

Was the same thing with Brooks and Moses, they carved up against junior teams with average defense.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Te Maire Martin ripped the Knights apart in Round 10 ‪#‎HoldenCup‬ action - leading the Wests Tigers to a 52-16 mauling in Newcastle.

Martin scored a hat-trick, had a leading hand in 4 more tries, ran 12 times for 223 metres, had 2 line break assists, a line break, 2 tackle busts, made 12 tackles and kicked 9 times for 229 metres.
Has to be a priority retention.

Not meany to put a downer on his game , but why does anyone put any importance in performances in the under 20 comp. There is such a lack of good defence in this comp, that it makes some kids look like superman, and has done so since its inception.
It's easy to stand out in attack in this comp as defence is almost a dirty word

Its a fair point, from what i saw of the game the Knights defense was average. But i like this kid, he does things kids his age dont do.

Was the same thing with Brooks and Moses, they carved up against junior teams with average defense.

I agree with what you are saying about B&M that's exactly what I mean.
I just have reservations about the, impression that that comp causes, and often ends up with kids with inflated expectations of what the future holds.
The sooner the Holden Cup is gone and these kids coming up , have to spend more time in a comp like the NSWCup or the Qld Cup ( and I mean more than half a season in those grades
I've had a bit to do with the qld cup and if I had a son the age of B&M , he would be spending this year there this season and not coming up to first grade till next year

Despite the fact that I am a Maroon hating fanatic( sorry Happy) , if I'm being honest it is a long way ahead of the NSWCup, and is the best learning experience for talented young players there is

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

I agree with what you are saying about B&M that's exactly what I mean.
I just have reservations about the, impression that that comp causes, and often ends up with kids with inflated expectations of what the future holds.
The sooner the Holden Cup is gone and these kids coming up , have to spend more time in a comp like the NSWCup or the Qld Cup ( and I mean more than half a season in those grades
I've had a bit to do with the qld cup and if I had a son the age of B&M , he would be spending this year there this season and not coming up to first grade till next year

Despite the fact that I am a Maroon hating fanatic( sorry Happy) , if I'm being honest it is a long way ahead of the NSWCup, and is the best learning experience for talented young players there is

Making sense to me GCT.

I hate the under 20's comp, hate that it is played as a support game to the NRL and would like to see it scrapped and a reserve grade and thrid grade system brought back in.

Having lived in both states i prefer QLD Cup to NSW Cup. NSW Cup would be a clear winner if they scrapped under 20's and the best players came up though.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I agree with what you are saying about B&M that's exactly what I mean.
I just have reservations about the, impression that that comp causes, and often ends up with kids with inflated expectations of what the future holds.
The sooner the Holden Cup is gone and these kids coming up , have to spend more time in a comp like the NSWCup or the Qld Cup ( and I mean more than half a season in those grades
I've had a bit to do with the qld cup and if I had a son the age of B&M , he would be spending this year there this season and not coming up to first grade till next year

Despite the fact that I am a Maroon hating fanatic( sorry Happy) , if I'm being honest it is a long way ahead of the NSWCup, and is the best learning experience for talented young players there is

Making sense to me GCT.

I hate the under 20's comp, hate that it is played as a support game to the NRL and would like to see it scrapped and a reserve grade and thrid grade system brought back in.

Having lived in both states i prefer QLD Cup to NSW Cup. NSW Cup would be a clear winner if they scrapped under 20's and the best players came up though.

Yes, you're probably right on that, a good thing all round.

 

[supercoach]

The salary cap will determine if Martin stays or goes. Its one big massive juggling act and to be paying two no6's good money is probably not possible at this stage. I said in a post a few days ago, that a few years down the track you could see Brooks at 9,Moses at 7 and Martin at 6, but really that is highly unlikely as I do not think Martin would be able to resist offers from outside the club that would offer him a faster pathway to the NRL. Time will tell but with our cap in such a mess it is hard to see him staying as I do think a n06 is our priority at present

 

[marzie]

I know the club rates him. Problem is the age difference between he and Moses is so close it makes it hard to keep him if Mitch is in front. Martin's biggest opportunity to crack FG is if Moses cops a serious injury or his form drops away so much that Taylor has no choice but to give him a spell in State Cup.

That will never happen, I**'m beginning to think that when Taylor was signed. He was told that Moses had to be kept there.
I remember that Somethingbwas said about whether he was prepared to work with these players.
Maybe it didn't mean specifically the halves , but who knows with this club**.

It was galloway and lawrence, who are now both apparently being shopped around.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I know the club rates him. Problem is the age difference between he and Moses is so close it makes it hard to keep him if Mitch is in front. Martin's biggest opportunity to crack FG is if Moses cops a serious injury or his form drops away so much that Taylor has no choice but to give him a spell in State Cup.

That will never happen, I**'m beginning to think that when Taylor was signed. He was told that Moses had to be kept there.
I remember that Somethingbwas said about whether he was prepared to work with these players.
Maybe it didn't mean specifically the halves , but who knows with this club**.

It was galloway and lawrence, who are now both apparently being shopped around.

Thanks, I remember something was said, that's probably it.
I still don't know what moses would have to do to get a spell in reserves though

 

[supercoach]

Moses is a work in progress and having a rookie backrow is not helping, Martin would be in exactly the same boat as Moses if he was wearing the no6 jumper. Really while Siro and Lovett are your starting backrow playing big minutes you really need a no6 like Greg Bird who is a defensive hard man. I am not saying sign up Bird, but till we have a NRL standard backrow we have troubles and Taylor knows it and that is why we are being linked to a player like Lewis Brown for 2016

 

[russelldp]

If the interchange is reduced to 6 in the next few years as a lot of people are tipping, there'll be room for Martin, Moses and Brooks in the 13.

With big boppers minimised and an emphasis on mobility, stamina, less wrestle, those three, along with Tedesco could be the perfect spine…

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[balmain boy]

Martin is bigger and possibly better than Elgey. Who's already playing NRL and isn't getting steam-rolled 20 times a match. Martin's size is fine. His technique could of course use more work.

He'll be ready to start playing some sort of role in the NRL by the end of the season. Enough of this give em 2 years in state cup crap. If you're good enough you're old enough. Always been the case with the top players.

However he would also need to learn to play to structure, as Brooks and Moses are doing now, which would take him some time to adjust to.

There'd be at least like 6-10 clubs targeting him. Fairly cheap for a half as he's unproven, but with massive potential. More than almost any other young half in the game.

Will his friendship with other Keebra players help him stay? Has the club offered him a contract with a clear development plan?

 

[Goose]

Martin is very talented, looks a goodun.

Moses was just as dominant in NYC and more dominant in other rep footy. As was SIrro for that matter.

People bag the NYC and say it has to be scrapped. The semi professional nature at U20 level has seen an unbelievable increase in junior development. Despite being younger, a current NYC side would be 20 points better than a Presidents cup side of a decade ago.

The issue isnt the NYC, it is the gap between professional and non-professional players, the second tier can be a national reserve grade (which has a load of other issues) or the current set up, but the second you run out of professional players and call up a guy who works 9-5 there is going to be a huge gap.

Anyway off topic.

 

[tsjonathan]

Lol @ Elgey & Norman…

If he goes, he will go to Manly!

really? Elgeys a gun.

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Did you happen to watch Elgey in his appeearances in Qcup prior to first grade? If you did what were you're thoughts Milk?

 

[Snake]

I do not think Moses is a 5/8 he is a runner I would progress him to centre and do all I could to sign Martin and bring him into 5/8 …there you have Brooks/Martin /Moses with Teddy chiming in. I watched a fair bit of Moses in the boys comp and he played mostly fullback so the comparison to Martin is stretching things re the 5/8 spot ,Martin is pure 5/8 and to lose him would be a disaster but we are talking Tigers.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I do not think Moses is a 5/8 he is a runner I would progress him to centre and do all I could to sign Martin and bring him into 5/8 …there you have Brooks/Martin /Moses with Teddy chiming in. I watched a fair bit of Moses in the boys comp and he played mostly fullback so the comparison to Martin is stretching things re the 5/8 spot ,Martin is pure 5/8 and to lose him would be a disaster but we are talking Tigers.

This Moses to centre or fullback has raised its head before
Tedesco is our biggest strike player.
Centre is just as hard or harder to defend in , as where he is now.
He'll be isolated and smashed by blokes who are just as big or bigger than back rowers in every game,
At least where he is he can sometimes be hidden a bit

 

[Milky]

Lol @ Elgey & Norman…

If he goes, he will go to Manly!

really? Elgeys a gun.

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Did you happen to watch Elgey in his appeearances in Qcup prior to first grade? If you did what were you're thoughts Milk?

Tim Simona was no superstar in NSW Cup either nor was Josh Morris but some players seem to find their feet in firsts.