There really is a God

[TIGER]

What's the deal with Jesus being Jewish. Didn't he believe in himself?

Thats tops, gave me a good chuckle. thanks

 

[Flippedy]

Where did god originate from. And how did he pass his time before he :righton: created us?

I don't know, you'll have to ask Happy :mrgreen:

 

[foreveratiger]

I can hear True Tiger footsteps :wink:

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

It's interesting that one of the great mathematicians in Albert Einstein concluded the odds of the world coming from a Big Bang theory are just too astronomical. He concluded that a greater force was behind the creation of the world hence he believed in a god.
No one really knows for sure. I'd rather have some belief and live it the best I can just in a case it is right rather than refusing to believe anything in case I'm wrong ! I didn't realise until talking to a Muslim that they acknowledge the existence of Jesus and Mary. Whereas Christians believe Jesus is the son of God they believe Jesus is only a prophet … Bit like John The Baptist. Christians and Muslims aren't as far apart as all the hatred and bitterness would have you believe. Anyway, one day we'll all find out ! Maybe we can resurrect this thread on the big forum in the sky !

Its interesting you say no one really knows for sure, thats right know one does, but then you go on to say but ill believe anyway just in case, why? This is called 'Pascals wager' by the way (google it).
Do you believe anything else in your life that there's no evidence of/for just in case?
Is it the threat of eternal punishment for getting it wrong that's keeping you holding onto that last thread?
What if it turns out you picked the wrong god, and you end up in another gods hell?
What criteria are you using to make sure you've selected the correct god?
Why not believe in all of them and really hedge your bets?
Do you see how silly this belief your desperately holding onto is now? are you getting me?

Your correct, no one knows, so until sufficient evidence is presented you should suspend judgement, i've already demonstrated how just picking one 'just in case' leaves you in the same position as a non believer, don't let threats of a mystical hell scare you.

Hell is watching a WT game, or realising that we have JT for two more years

 

[GoldXR50Leroy]

If there is no greater being then why, when a woman is in a state of sexual ecstasy she screams -
'Oh God Oh God Oh God Oh God Oh Jeessus'!….....................

 

[Doc_Tiger]

Yes, there is

Where's the evidence?

Where is the evidence that a god doesn't exist?

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The onus is on the believer to prove existence not the non believer.

Non believer here.

Hideous diseases handed to innocent chldren is proof enough for me.

Along with the 89 grand final field goal attempt, Brisbane winning so many grand finals, and QLD getting pretty much every damned 50/50 call in origin games all the bloody time.

 

[Abraham]

People who doubt the existence of God need need only look in the mirror.

If you think that the miracle which we call life is the cause of a mysterious chemical reaction billions of years ago, which has not happened before or after, has never been proven, and cannot be explained, well you need to answer your own 'proof' argument before questioning others on the issue of proof.

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[Abraham]

What's the deal with Jesus being Jewish. Didn't he believe in himself?

Christianity was never intended to be a separate religion than Judaism. It was a logical continuation of the Jewish faith once the messiah had been revealed.

But some believed Jesus was the Jewish messiah (later known as Christians) and some did not believe Jesus to be the messiah (whom we still know as Jews).

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[TIGER]

A couple I know who are born again Christians fell pregnant , they didn't choose a girls name for the baby as I was told they had a god moment together and were adamant it was going to be a boy !

They had a girl …..

Hobbo was $50 up on the wager :wink:

I'm with Formerguest ... Gravity , physics and evolution !
Or were all in the Matrix !

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Lol humans can get it wrong, Hobbo - Christian or not, we're all just human.

Serious question: gravity, physics and evolution - where did they originate from?

A galaxy far , far away …..........

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We don't know, but it doesn't mean people just get to assert god at that point.
Its like saying we don't know how planets retrograde so therefor my invisible dragon does it.
You first have to prove your invisible dragon exists then demonstrate how it does anything.

Like when christians say to me "so you don't think your a sinner?' and i answer "so you don't think your a plodder?' Because my god can't stand plodders (people who break my gods rules are plodders) and you can't help it you were born a plodder and my god won't allow plodders into his celestial playground. At this point are you concerned your a plodder? Will you lose any sleep over it?

So when you can prove your god exists then ill start worrying about sinning against it, until then sin is just an imaginary disease constructed to sell gullible fearful people an imaginary cure.

 

[Geo]

Excuse me…..Brian is the Messiah...

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Where's the evidence?

Where is the evidence that a god doesn't exist?

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The onus is on the believer to prove existence not the non believer.

The countless people who have been pronounced dead only to come back to life with their stories about what they saw in the after life.

What about the stories of atheists and non-believers who have experienced a revelation of some sort and become believers.

What more evidence do you want ?

There is a difference between spirituality and the existence in God. I'm a strong believer in life after death, but that doesn't prove that God exists.

 

[TIGER]

People who doubt the existence of God need need only look in the mirror.

If you think that the miracle which we call life is the cause of a mysterious chemical reaction billions of years ago, which has not happened before or after, has never been proven, and cannot be explained, well you need to answer your own 'proof' argument before questioning others on the issue of proof.

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Are you willing to take up my challenge of a debate on this? Im interested in hearing some of your thoughts. Not on here of course.
First you need to understand we're not making any claims, were simply refuting your claim and asking you to back it up with evidence. I admit i don't know how everything got here, just like if you were honest enough should also.
The existence of a particular god and the beginning of the universe are two different subjects.
If you want to talk about a particular god belief im all about it.

 

[Mccarry]

Where is the evidence that a god doesn't exist?

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The onus is on the believer to prove existence not the non believer.

The countless people who have been pronounced dead only to come back to life with their stories about what they saw in the after life.

What about the stories of atheists and non-believers who have experienced a revelation of some sort and become believers.

What more evidence do you want ?

Im sorry but if your dead your dead, obviously they weren't dead or they wouldn't be alive now right? I don't care if another human pronounces them dead, humans make mistakes. Anyway in your book of myths doesn't it say that only one man ever raised from the dead? Are you now claiming that the laymen can now survive death too? if so Jesus isn't so special after all.

Do you ever hear a Hindu having a near death experience and saying he saw the virgin mary or Jesus?
Why is it they only see figures of the gods they believe in? Christians never see allah. strange that.
Even if i grant these experiences, how do you conclude a god or more specifically your god exists? The most we could say is that its a phenomenon. You don't get to say 'well you can't explain this so therefore my god exists and did it'. besides, personal experience is not reliable evidence, there's people who claim that elvis is alive and that they were abducted by aliens, are we to take their claims at face value?

No it doesn't say that.

The bible has accounts of a number of people being raised from the dead.

It's an incredible book. It constantly amazes me that people argue so strongly that it's false yet haven't read it.

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[Mccarry]

Where is the evidence that a god doesn't exist?

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The onus is on the believer to prove existence not the non believer.

The countless people who have been pronounced dead only to come back to life with their stories about what they saw in the after life.

What about the stories of atheists and non-believers who have experienced a revelation of some sort and become believers.

What more evidence do you want ?

The evidence your talking about is more in relation with Spiritual encounters that some may have experienced once they passed on , this is one experience i had at Work…....it's in the Ghost Stories Thread.
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A couple of years ago at work had a MVA patient which in medical terminology is (Motor Vehicle Accident) come in for Resus , the chap hit a tree on his Motor cycle , when he came in had a neck brace and deep gashes to his face , so i commence Resus on the Patient on the Doctor's call , i'm on his Chest for 35 minutes working on him and sweat pissing out of me, we lost him twice throughout the 35 minutes and i thought in my head this guy is gone, from my experience doing so many Resus (had a weak pulse), the Doctor called last round or he would be pronounced Dead if unsuccessful on the next Round , Adrenaline is inserted intravenously and here i am going for it with cramped up shoulders and sore back , 2 minutes into it mind you i felt one of his ribs crack while i was at it , the CNC screams " i have a pulse DOC" while she had her fingers feeling the Femoral Artery , we got him back with a good pulse and the patient survived the ordeal .
But this is where it get's freaky , 3 Days later i took a Patient to the Orthopedics Ward from E.D and take the Patient to a 4 Bedder Bay in there , while i was trying to get this Patient from E.d Comfortable in his new Ward and Pat sliding him to his new Bed i noticed a Patient there kept starring me out with this smile on his face ( i thought in my head Weirdo?) as i was about to leave from the handover to the nurse the Patient that kept starring me out sticks his hand out to Shake it , i said "how you going mate ? all Good "? then he says to me " i want to thank you for saving my life " , i said to him sorry but i don't know what your on about ? he said to me "i was the Patient in the Resus room that had the Motor Bike accident and you Resuscitated me" , it was coming to me now , the problem was that he had that much blood around his face i wouldn't remember him , Then i said hang on how do you know it was me ? he said " i saw myself in the Resus Room above youse all , working on me and remember your face with the sweaty shirt on your back working on me " , I said get out of here .... he said "no seriously i saw my mum on the other side who she has passed away many years ago and told me it wasn't my time to go back ". I'm telling you i had hairs jumping out of my arms and my back .
I never used to believe in after life but after this episode made me think different .
Talk about Freaky!!!

Great story! Thanks for sharing. I love knowing people like you are on resus. If our players pushed as hard in defence as you did on that bloke our threads would sound very different

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[Mccarry]

People who doubt the existence of God need need only look in the mirror.

If you think that the miracle which we call life is the cause of a mysterious chemical reaction billions of years ago, which has not happened before or after, has never been proven, and cannot be explained, well you need to answer your own 'proof' argument before questioning others on the issue of proof.

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Are you willing to take up my challenge of a debate on this? Im interested in hearing some of your thoughts. Not on here of course.
First you need to understand we're not making any claims, were simply refuting your claim and asking you to back it up with evidence. I admit i don't know how everything got here, just like if you were honest enough should also.
The existence of a particular god and the beginning of the universe are two different subjects.
If you want to talk about a particular god belief im all about it.

Tiger, your faith is your choice. I'm glad your a tigers fan.

Out of interest, what's your view on why so many of Jesus's disciples went on to die for their faith once they realised Jesus wasn't God. What I mean is when he died in disgrace on the cross and in your reality didn't rise from the dead, why would they go on to say they saw him in the flesh?

Before being horribly executed any of them could have just said they didn't see him and then go back to being a fisherman.

Why die for a known lie? People die sticking to their faith. People don't die for known lies… Do they?

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[Tigermama]

Where did god originate from. And how did he pass his time before he :righton: created us?

GOD, was Bored.. That's why he created us… :mrgreen:

 

[gallagher]

Where did god originate from. And how did he pass his time before he :righton: created us?

GOD, was Bored.. That's why he created us… :mrgreen:

That's what my mum said about my dad.

 

[TIGER]

The onus is on the believer to prove existence not the non believer.

The countless people who have been pronounced dead only to come back to life with their stories about what they saw in the after life.

What about the stories of atheists and non-believers who have experienced a revelation of some sort and become believers.

What more evidence do you want ?

Im sorry but if your dead your dead, obviously they weren't dead or they wouldn't be alive now right? I don't care if another human pronounces them dead, humans make mistakes. Anyway in your book of myths doesn't it say that only one man ever raised from the dead? Are you now claiming that the laymen can now survive death too? if so Jesus isn't so special after all.

Do you ever hear a Hindu having a near death experience and saying he saw the virgin mary or Jesus?
Why is it they only see figures of the gods they believe in? Christians never see allah. strange that.
Even if i grant these experiences, how do you conclude a god or more specifically your god exists? The most we could say is that its a phenomenon. You don't get to say 'well you can't explain this so therefore my god exists and did it'. besides, personal experience is not reliable evidence, there's people who claim that elvis is alive and that they were abducted by aliens, are we to take their claims at face value?

No it doesn't say that.

The bible has accounts of a number of people being raised from the dead.

It's an incredible book. It constantly amazes me that people argue so strongly that it's false yet haven't read it.

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Oh I've read it, and i know it far better than most people who claim they're Christians. Im aware of the claims of tombs opening and saints being resurected etc and corpses all coming to life and roaming the town, the question is why would anyone believe anything that is in the bible?
How much do you know about the origins of your so called holy book and religion itself? i bet not much, cause if you investigated it you'd find it falls down like a house of cards, if you want to keep your faith do not dig below the surface of your religion or bible, trust me you won't like what you'll find, but if you care about whether your beliefs are true or not then i encourage you to do a bit of skeptical enquiry.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

Dialog of two entrenched opinionated sides, where neither is listening, and will never accept whatever argument presented by the opposition :slight_smile:. Most intelligent people have moved on (I know JGillard immortal words, second only to 'we are us' :slight_smile🙂, and recognised that spiritual and science domains are still two different, separate domains.

 

[stryker]

I heard there was still a couple of nuts who believed in god :laughing:
Anyway…it is all your fault CQ?