Wests Tigers need to settle up with Robbie Farah so the NRL club can settle down

[bobo125]

If they paid him in full for next year they would be within their rights to stop him playing for another NRL team for that period.
Effectively they are paying him not to play.

really ?

again - im not upto speed on how that side of it works

so if they terminate the contract.
pay it out in full
they can still state he cant play in 2017 ?

just for my own sake - is there someone on here that can confirm this ?

 

[Nelson]

if the club ends his contract and pays him out in full - they still can direct him not to play in the NRL again ??

They could try but there is a chance (a good chance) that would be regarded as an impermissible restraint of trade given how small the market for those services is. If it were then it would be set aside and he would be free to play.

I get the hope of another club picking him up - but we had this issue last year.
Almost 12 months exactly
most clubs have already spent or allocated their cap for 2017 so chances them having a spare 400k is remote

You saw how much shuffling around happened over the last off-season. There are clubs that will want him this time around. Rein is off contract at the Dragons, Ennis is retiring and Parra have lost Peats. It will be a question of whether he wants to go.

paying him out in full and ending this entire saga…. last resort... i get that... but as a club, as a team...as a circus...does anypne seriously want this to go on for another 12 months... ?

No, nobody wants that. But it is a last resort and it's probably a long time before you can expect that card to be played by the club in this game of brinkmanship.

 

[Nelson]

The logic is:
- He is still a good player and has value on the market, he is just not a good fit (as claimed) for the Tigers side.
- Just paying him out means the club would wear the full amount off the salary cap for 2017.
- Just paying him out would mean he could turn around and play for another club against the Tigers and he is still a good player - strengthening opponents is not a good thing.
- The Tigers get some value out of playing him in reserves, and he's available for selection in first grade in the event of injuries/change of coach/change of heart/whatever.
- The Tigers probably expect that he is not actually prepared to sit the season in reggies and will want out because he thinks he should be playing first grade footy (which he should on ability and form).
- Some rival club will want him at some stage. St George, Cronulla or Parra may want him before the 2017 season starts. If not some other club will be hit with an injury at some point and he will be a very tempting option. The prospect of first grade footy will also be tempting for him. If another club wants him then the Tigers will not be paying full freight.
- His effort last Saturday in lashing out probably also opens up the possibility that he will do something over the coming months to trigger a termination.

point by point….

yeps i get hes not a good fit the team as per the coaches directive

wearing the full amount in cap for 2017 - either way, if hes in reserves the team dosnt benefit unless hes playing ?

strengthening opponents is not a good - so the club dosnt want him but dosnt want anyone else to have him either ? ? ?

the value of having him play in reserves is questionable
if by chance he gets called up and plays a man of the match game - then the circus starts up in full flight again - "why is he playing in reserves, the coach is this and that... he we go again

the club thinks he wont be prepared to sit in reggies and want out ?
so the club is "hoping" by playing him in reggies he will quit and therefore get out of paying him his owed contracted money ?

hoping he will do something to trigger a termination ?
again... hoping to get out of paying his contract ?

can you see why this is so messy

i dont get it.... surely someone can see how ridiculous this all is and just say enough
pay him, the club moves on
the saga is over from the clubs point of view
the coach gets what he wants
and 2017 there is no farah issues at the club at all ?

Yeah well welcome to the ugly world of professional sport where money is king. I'm sure if there were no salary cap in place they would gladly pay him out, but there is and they're going to try and squeeze the most out of it.

 

[gallagher]

Gould can be a sticky character no doubt

the thing that is surprising me is - some of the people on this forum that dont like farah want him gone but dont want the club to pay him out

why ?

you say the club loses out if it pays him out …. how ?

as is, if he stays, he'll be playing in reserves
there can be no argument that if the team needs him he'll be recalled because right now... the team needs him.
there is no hooker ????

so if hes not playing in firsts and still being paid how is the club benefiting ??

i dont get it

If the coach is going to be at the tigers in 2017, the club needs to SUCK IT UP and pay Farah his money and end this circus once and for all

If the club knows something that we all dont about the coach and 2017 - thats a different story altogether ...

if not, end it... suck it up...pay him... puit this whole thing to bed once and for all !

Because chances are Robbie doesn't want to retire just yet, which is what would effectively happen if we paid him out in full. We wouldn't let him play for another club if we pay him out so he'd be sitting around taking the cash but never playing again.

We're waiting for a club to come in and pay something like 400k of his contract so that we can put that towards re-signing ET and maybe get another player too.

Robbie's getting his money regardless. Yes paying him just under a million to play nsw cup is a waste of money and the club gets no value out of that. It's not what anyone wants. But paying him out in full is an absolute last resort.

Put simply. Well done.

 

[stryker]

One thing I found funny in the article is that he claims he and Rob are friends even though it was widely reported that Farah was one of the targets of Gould's spray after Origin 2\. Lol its an agenda-a-thon at the moment.

That said, i agree with him as to why this is happening and after the past year, he may well be correct that a payout is the only viable option presently.

 

[bobo125]

if the club ends his contract and pays him out in full - they still can direct him not to play in the NRL again ??

They could try but there is a chance (a good chance) that would be regarded as an impermissible restraint of trade given how small the market for those services is. If it were then it would be set aside and he would be free to play.

I get the hope of another club picking him up - but we had this issue last year.
Almost 12 months exactly
most clubs have already spent or allocated their cap for 2017 so chances them having a spare 400k is remote

You saw how much shuffling around happened over the last off-season. There are clubs that will want him this time around. Rein is off contract at the Dragons, Ennis is retiring and Parra have lost Peats. It will be a question of whether he wants to go.

paying him out in full and ending this entire saga…. last resort... i get that... but as a club, as a team...as a circus...does anypne seriously want this to go on for another 12 months... ?

No, nobody wants that. But it is a last resort and it's probably a long time before you can expect that card to be played by the club in this game of brinkmanship.

"apparently" - on good advise - if the club terminated his contract and paid him out in full they could NOT prevent him from playing at another club at all
as they are the ones triggering the termination for whatever reasons
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i did see the end of year shuffling from clubs - the only thing to take note of here is just how much of Farah 950K the tigers are prepared to pay
knowing the situation, knowing farah is one year away from retirement, i would think most clubs would be prepared thr throw up a similar amount to what Benji was offered - $300k - if that ?
are tigers prepared to pay the balance ???

 

[Snake]

If Farah is paid out and this still counts to the cap next season well Good old Robbie can play reserve grade next season and his career will be
Finished ..time to play hardball .Do you really think Farahs ego could deal with that .

 

[Nelson]

i did see the end of year shuffling from clubs - the only thing to take note of here is just how much of Farah 950K the tigers are prepared to pay
knowing the situation, knowing farah is one year away from retirement, i would think most clubs would be prepared thr throw up a similar amount to what Benji was offered - $300k - if that ?
are tigers prepared to pay the balance ???

Yeah I imagine they would probably pay the balance on a $300K contract at this point.

 

[supercoach]

We pay his contract out in full..what do we achieve except get him off the books. We still have cap drama and there is nothing stopping him from than playing for another club and getting more money for 2017.

Okay yes we get rid of all the drama, but the best solution is still to broker a deal with another club and at least get them to pick up some of the tab

 

[gallagher]

If Farah is paid out and this still counts to the cap next season well Good old Robbie can play reserve grade next season and his career will be
Finished ..time to play hardball .Do you really think Farahs ego could deal with that .

In a few weeks , after his supporters and the media have stopped turning up to games it will dawn on him.
I'm sure saints would prefer him to rein.

 

[innsaneink]

Origin player for $400/500k?
Half the teams should be falling over each other to secure such a bargain.
I'd guess Melb, NQ, Canberra, Roosters are happy with their dummy halves… Probably a couple more.
Roll up roll up...

 

[2041]

One thing I found funny in the article is that he claims he and Rob are friends even though it was widely reported that Farah was one of the targets of Gould's spray after Origin 2\. Lol its an agenda-a-thon at the moment.

That said, i agree with him as to why this is happening and after the past year, he may well be correct that a payout is the only viable option presently.

I can quite easily believe that Gould would happily comment on performance as he sees it regardless of his personal connections with players. That's one of the reasons why I still like him as a commentator - unlike most of the old pro crowd he's not just pumping up his mates.

Anyway, I think we all spent enough time reading garbage about how Marshall and Farah hated each other - which has clearly proved to be arrant nonsense - not to worry too much about who is or isn't supposedly friends.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

If Farah is paid out and this still counts to the cap next season well Good old Robbie can play reserve grade next season and his career will be
Finished ..time to play hardball .Do you really think Farahs ego could deal with that .

In a few weeks , after his supporters and the media have stopped turning up to games it will dawn on him.
I'm sure saints would prefer him to rein.

It's my guess that that's where he'll end up. Rein is off contract and by all reports is unwanted. The Dragons are desperate for some spark in attack, so Robbie would be allowed to play his natural game. They take him for 400k, we use the money left over to retain ET. Everyone wins.

 

[bobo125]

One thing I found funny in the article is that he claims he and Rob are friends even though it was widely reported that Farah was one of the targets of Gould's spray after Origin 2\. Lol its an agenda-a-thon at the moment.

That said, i agree with him as to why this is happening and after the past year, he may well be correct that a payout is the only viable option presently.

I can quite easily believe that Gould would happily comment on performance as he sees it regardless of his personal connections with players. That's one of the reasons why I still like him as a commentator - unlike most of the old pro crowd he's not just pumping up his mates.

Anyway, I think we all spent enough time reading garbage about how Marshall and Farah hated each other - which has clearly proved to be arrant nonsense - not to worry too much about who is or isn't supposedly friends.

agree !

i just dont get the level of spite
people hate him enough to want him out of the club but dont want to pay him his contract or want him playing for another club….?

whislt this coach is at the club
theres more of a downside to having Farah here so why not just pay him out and be done with it

the upside is the nonsense stops
the other "possibilities" allow for the drama to keep rolling on and on and on.....

or is it a case that everyone loves drama and this is the nest distraction or conversations the club and supporters can have whilst the team isnt up their with the storm and cowboys ?

again, i dont get it

 

[gallagher]

If Farah is paid out and this still counts to the cap next season well Good old Robbie can play reserve grade next season and his career will be
Finished ..time to play hardball .Do you really think Farahs ego could deal with that .

In a few weeks , after his supporters and the media have stopped turning up to games it will dawn on him.
I'm sure saints would prefer him to rein.

It's my guess that that's where he'll end up. Rein is off contract and by all reports is unwanted. The Dragons are desperate for some spark in attack, so Robbie would be allowed to play his natural game. They take him for 400k, we use the money left over to retain ET. Everyone wins.

Saints need someone and It sounds like they missed out on norman. I can't believe Benji knocked back $300k from them. He's a poor judge of his own form.

 

[bobo125]

If Farah is paid out and this still counts to the cap next season well Good old Robbie can play reserve grade next season and his career will be
Finished ..time to play hardball .Do you really think Farahs ego could deal with that .

In a few weeks , after his supporters and the media have stopped turning up to games it will dawn on him.
I'm sure saints would prefer him to rein.

It's my guess that that's where he'll end up. Rein is off contract and by all reports is unwanted. The Dragons are desperate for some spark in attack, so Robbie would be allowed to play his natural game. They take him for 400k, we use the money left over to retain ET. Everyone wins.

Saints need someone and It sounds like they missed out on norman. I can't believe Benji knocked back $300k from them. He's a poor judge of his own form.

from a footy perspective - i wouldnt go to the dragons
they are just awful
they dont need a hooker they need strong smart creative halves !

 

[tig_prmz]

lol paying him out is the worst thing this club can do. gould should know out of everyone that most clubs dont have a million dollars in spare change.

 

[Nelson]

agree !

i just dont get the level of spite
people hate him enough to want him out of the club but dont want to pay him his contract or want him playing for another club….?

whislt this coach is at the club
theres more of a downside to having Farah here so why not just pay him out and be done with it

the upside is the nonsense stops
the other "possibilities" allow for the drama to keep rolling on and on and on.....

or is it a case that everyone loves drama and this is the nest distraction or conversations the club and supporters can have whilst the team isnt up their with the storm and cowboys ?

again, i dont get it

I'm sure they don't love the media storm but they would've made the decision to take this approach knowing it was coming and prepared to weather it. It's not motivated by spite or hatred, it's about managing the salary cap. Paying him out right now is a straight up bad business decision, which is why you don't see other clubs doing it.

 

[foreveratiger]

If Farah is paid out and this still counts to the cap next season well Good old Robbie can play reserve grade next season and his career will be
Finished ..time to play hardball .Do you really think Farahs ego could deal with that .

In a few weeks , after his supporters and the media have stopped turning up to games it will dawn on him.
I'm sure saints would prefer him to rein.

It's my guess that that's where he'll end up. Rein is off contract and by all reports is unwanted. The Dragons are desperate for some spark in attack, so Robbie would be allowed to play his natural game. They take him for 400k, we use the money left over to retain ET. Everyone wins.

Just a question GNR….

You state that Farah has spark to offer a side, would it be fair to claim that Jason Taylor simply hasn't got a game plan to utilise Farah's strengths.
The games Farah hasn't played it's not as if Brooks and Moses have totally dominated the game.
If your going to say the opponents we just had the Dragons that's laughable.

 

[bobo125]

agree !

i just dont get the level of spite
people hate him enough to want him out of the club but dont want to pay him his contract or want him playing for another club….?

whislt this coach is at the club
theres more of a downside to having Farah here so why not just pay him out and be done with it

the upside is the nonsense stops
the other "possibilities" allow for the drama to keep rolling on and on and on.....

or is it a case that everyone loves drama and this is the nest distraction or conversations the club and supporters can have whilst the team isnt up their with the storm and cowboys ?

again, i dont get it

I'm sure they don't love the media storm but they would've made the decision to take this approach knowing it was coming and prepared to weather it. It's not motivated by spite or hatred, it's about managing the salary cap. Paying him out right now is a straight up bad business decision, which is why you don't see other clubs doing it.

oh i get the club has taken on the storm and seem somewhat prepared to let the tigers brand cop a hammering….

thats part in parcel of what i dont get

its fine for all of us here to pick a side and carry on with whatever we see as fare and righteous etc
but as a club, the tigers are embarrassing themselves as a whole
its very public, its very messy. neither the captain or the coach is dealing with it in a dignified manner
it looks poor all across the board
wether you like Farah or not, outside of the club politics he is seen as a club legend...
the manner is which this whole thing has and is being handled is ......
its not a great representation of the club at all

people want to comment its not in the clubs best business interest... well sometimes in business you pay the money you need to - to end dramas.
its a unexpected cost. you dont like it ... but you bite the bullet...pay it and move on.
drama over chapter closed...