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Buttface said:
right now, pot is more dangerous to people under 25 than alcohol by a long way.
I was just wondering, hang on I still haven’t finished laughing. Ok I’m back.
I was just wondering how far “a long way” is and what unit of measure you are using?
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Go back and read my posts. A 220% increased risk of psychosis and schizophrenia is a long way IMO. The unit used in the meta analysis includes impair years of life.
 
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Mistymuzzle said:
you would struggle to make it anything else.



Because its true. Not because I say its true but because a large number of peer reviewed studies, a meta analysis published by the Lancet, and the associate professor of neurobiology at Stanford University says its true. Your sources?

Bullshit. What was the "specific level" of THC in all of those studies? "Tedious references"? The Lancet? Associate professor of Neurology at Stanford? Canadian Association of Neurology? Tedious references? What are your sources?

I have posted peer reviewed scientific research saying it is true. What is your source that it is untrue? Because you dont like the message or the messenger?


You are making the mistake of looking at the problem at a community level, not an individual level. Alcohol is a much bigger problem in Australian society that weed, but thats not what I said. Weed is more dangerous, for an INDIVIDUAL that is under the age of 25 than alcohol is. Its a simple, scientifically proven fact. Yes more 24 year olds are harmed by alcohol than weed but that is at a society scale and taking into account car accidents etc but on an individual basis, weed is more dangerous than alcohol.

If an 18yo binge drinks every night, but doesnt jump in a car etc (which is just as dangerous on weed), he WILL sober up and recover and if he stops this behaviour when he is 26, he will totally recover with no life altering damages. No matter how much that 18yo drinks, at that age, he will not develop psychosis or schizophrenia.

An 18yo consuming THC at normal current concentrations regularly has more than double the chance of a non THC smoker of developing psychosis and/or schizophrenia.....lifelong. You are not sobering up out of that.



Why would it only be taken seriously then? Why would it be more dangerous for an individual when its legal than when its not?

Again, this is not my opinion, its the opinion of the Associate Professor of Neurobiology at Stanford, its peer reviewed meta analysis in Lancet, numerous source peer reviewed publications......but Im sure they dont know as much as some loon on a football forum.
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Ok, I’ll try again.

On this planet, right here right now, pot is more dangerous to people under 25 than alcohol by a long way

is that in reference to the individual or the demographic?

What does dangerous mean in that context?

To me, dangerous means something that will harm / threaten life.

What you’re saying is people under 25 are in more danger / gave harm from pot over alcohol. That’s just not true and pathetic pearl grabbing.

If you said the small % ( compared to alcohol) of the under 25 population that partake in regular high level THC and have a predisposition to mental disorders have a high possibility of developing long term health problems, I’d have disregarded your post like usual an moved on.
 
Moderation is the key.
I will say though that the most unreliable people in my life drink. Pot smokers are lethargic and unmotivated but don’t have regular days off like pissheads do.
 
The Fresh Oil said:
Ok, I’ll try again.

On this planet, right here right now, pot is more dangerous to people under 25 than alcohol by a long way

is that in reference to the individual or the demographic?

What does dangerous mean in that context?

To me, dangerous means something that will harm / threaten life.

What you’re saying is people under 25 are in more danger / gave harm from pot over alcohol. That’s just not true and pathetic pearl grabbing.

If you said the small % ( compared to alcohol) of the under 25 population that partake in regular high level THC and have a predisposition to mental disorders have a high possibility of developing long term health problems, I’d have disregarded your post like usual an moved on.
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But not domestic violence. Alcohol is the clear winner.
 
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The Fresh Oil said:
Ok, I’ll try again.

On this planet, right here right now, pot is more dangerous to people under 25 than alcohol by a long way

is that in reference to the individual or the demographic?
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Individual.
The Fresh Oil said:
What does dangerous mean in that context?

To me, dangerous means something that will harm / threaten life.
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Exactly. The act of an individual drinking alcohol, even regularly to excess when you are less than 25 will not harm or threaten life. The act of regularly smoking weed when you are less than 25yo has a proven causational link to the development of psychosis and/or schizophrenia that is lifelong.

The Fresh Oil said:
What you’re saying is people under 25 are in more danger / gave harm from pot over alcohol. That’s just not true and pathetic pearl grabbing.
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ill let Lancet, the Canadian Association or the Associate Professor of Neurology at Stanford University know that they are wrong and can put their pearls away. Im sure they will be relieved they can get on with their day.

The Fresh Oil said:
If you said the small % ( compared to alcohol) of the under 25 population that partake in regular high level THC and have a predisposition to mental disorders have a high possibility of developing long term health problems, I’d have disregarded your post like usual an moved on.
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You seem to have mistaken me for someone who cares about your opinion.

The research didnt show, because it cant, that people suffering cannabis caused psychosis and/or schizophrenia had a predisposition, however it did prove the causal link and the rate was 220% high over the whole age group, even higher in narrower bands.

In your panic and hysteria to prove me, Andrew Huberman, The Lancet and the scientific establishment wrong, you seem to have missed a critical element. Smoking pot when you are older than 25 is safer than drinking alcohol.
 
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Tucker said:
Moderation is the key.
I will say though that the most unreliable people in my life drink. Pot smokers are lethargic and unmotivated but don’t have regular days off like pissheads do.
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“Moderation is the key.“ I’ve said that a million times to people in my life, but it seems hard for most people to have self control.
Pot smokers are lethargic and unmotivated
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That statement is just incorrect. It’s a choice to smoke and veg or smoke and do something. Ive been smoking this morning (day off), and I’m going to mow the lawn. Now I could sit and veg on the lounge watching the cricket (3/60 odd), but I have chosen to walk The Fonz, wash up the breaky stuff and now mow the lawn. It’s a choice to be lazy don’t blame the pot blame the person for choosing to be lazy and I hate it when people use pot as an excuse for being lazy. I don’t smoke at work though and will not put up with my employees doing it either, people don’t pay you to turn up stoned or pissed or high or whatever. You’ve gotta have standards in life. But when I’m on my time then I want the choice to do what I want. As long as it doesn’t adversely affect others.
 
Buttface said:
“Moderation is the key.“ I’ve said that a million times to people in my life, but it seems hard for most people to have self control.

That statement is just incorrect. It’s a choice to smoke and veg or smoke and do something. Ive been smoking this morning (day off), and I’m going to mow the lawn. Now I could sit and veg on the lounge watching the cricket (3/60 odd), but I have chosen to walk The Fonz, wash up the breaky stuff and now mow the lawn. It’s a choice to be lazy don’t blame the pot blame the person for choosing to be lazy and I hate it when people use pot as an excuse for being lazy. I don’t smoke at work though and will not put up with my employees doing it either, people don’t pay you to turn up stoned or pissed or high or whatever. You’ve gotta have standards in life. But when I’m on my time then I want the choice to do what I want. As long as it doesn’t adversely affect others.
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Its 11am and you are finally doing something?
Lazy pothead bum!
 
Mistymuzzle said:
Individual.

Exactly. The act of an individual drinking alcohol, even regularly to excess when you are less than 25 will not harm or threaten life. The act of regularly smoking weed when you are less than 25yo has a proven causational link to the development of psychosis and/or schizophrenia that is lifelong.


ill let Lancet, the Canadian Association or the Associate Professor of Neurology at Stanford University know that they are wrong and can put their pearls away. Im sure they will be relieved they can get on with their day.


You seem to have mistaken me for someone who cares about your opinion.

The research didnt show, because it cant, that people suffering cannabis caused psychosis and/or schizophrenia had a predisposition, however it did prove the causal link and the rate was 220% high over the whole age group, even higher in narrower bands.

In your panic and hysteria to prove me, Andrew Huberman, The Lancet and the scientific establishment wrong, you seem to have missed a critical element. Smoking pot when you are older than 25 is safer than drinking alcohol.
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No hysteria, slightly bemused maybe.

Again, before you write another wall of so very salty and so very pointless text, I’ll give you an example of what I’m saying and you are struggling to comprehend.

On this planet, right here right now, heroin is more dangerous to people under 25 than alcohol by a long way


would that be an accurate statement?


You wrote a click bait news.com headline and get all upset when you get called on it.
 
The Fresh Oil said:
No hysteria, slightly bemused maybe.

Again, before you write another wall of so very salty and so very pointless text, I’ll give you an example of what I’m saying and you are struggling to comprehend.

On this planet, right here right now, heroin is more dangerous to people under 25 than alcohol by a long way
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No idea. Im not aware of the biologic damage that heroin does to the body and whether it disproportional impact people under the age of 25. I do know that cannabis has a disproportional impact on people under 25 that doesnt happen with alcohol.

Your point?

The Fresh Oil said:
You wrote a click bait news.com headline and get all upset when you get called on it.
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If by "click bait" you mean peer reviewed scientific meta analysis....yeah sure....
 
Buttface said:
“Moderation is the key.“ I’ve said that a million times to people in my life, but it seems hard for most people to have self control.

That statement is just incorrect. It’s a choice to smoke and veg or smoke and do something. Ive been smoking this morning (day off), and I’m going to mow the lawn. Now I could sit and veg on the lounge watching the cricket (3/60 odd), but I have chosen to walk The Fonz, wash up the breaky stuff and now mow the lawn. It’s a choice to be lazy don’t blame the pot blame the person for choosing to be lazy and I hate it when people use pot as an excuse for being lazy. I don’t smoke at work though and will not put up with my employees doing it either, people don’t pay you to turn up stoned or pissed or high or whatever. You’ve gotta have standards in life. But when I’m on my time then I want the choice to do what I want. As long as it doesn’t adversely affect others.
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Pot doesn't make me lazy per se but I find it makes you content with the life you have I wasn't motivated to improve myself. But the positives far outweigh the negatives. It makes everything more enjoyable, sex is incredible (too much information), it helps with sleep (especially Indica strains) and helps with anxiety. Yes it can make you paranoid, but I am paranoid regardless. Anyway, I don't want to turn this into a weed thread.
 
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