Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[jadtiger]

From big sports breakfast

"I don't think the way he wants to play suits the Tigers team..."

@joshreynolds9 opened up on Michael Maguire's coaching style and why he's not the right fit for the Tigers moving forward.

LISTEN: tab.cm/3ncLJCo

Funnily enough i dont think the way Reynolds played while he was with us suited the club either.He was an overpaid non performer

 

[happy_tiger]

we had enough to offer Latrell over $1m last season

We would have had enough to offer 3 Latrells $3m without the cap constraints.

And due to how constrained we were, if we did land Latrell the rest of the squad would have been filled with minimum wagers - definitely no Doueihi, no Lucy, no Laurie, no Ken Maumolo. Latrell can be a bludger at times - and any game he didn't turn up we would have been flogged.

We could have $10m and it wouldn't make a difference. Players don't want to play for Maguire. I wouldn't want to.

And when and if we rid of Madge and no one signs who do we blame then .....Pascoe ,Hartigan , Lee ....when will the roster ever be at fault ...when they win a spoon ???

You of course..

Your older ....you've been around longer ...your more to blame .....only way to prove it is for you to disappear next year ....

 

[happy_tiger]

So I just listened to the podcast from Joel Caine at "Drive with Joel & Fletch" and it goes for like 9 mins. This is a 100% must watch as he hits the nail on the head about our situation.
Do yourself a favour and look it up and have a listen.
Madge should be the first one kept and daylight 2nd..
From today and it;s called WestsTigers Honesty Session

Had a bit of a listen

Basically everything being discussed here the last pages. Can't get anywhere in this game if players take it upon themselves not to buy in. A few bad ones ruin the whole system.

Well said Joel.


I'm not making excuses but Brooks and Nofa are juniors (unlike Matterson and Aloia), who came into grade very hyped and have never known success. Maybe they are as frustrated with the club as I am after the last 10 years. Coaches change but nothing changes. But....they have also chosen to stay big fish in a small pond, and probably have an outsized idea of their quality. They are certainly being paid more than they would elsewhere and with a limited salary cap money is status for players. Brooks has never played well under Madge but Nofo has...

Fletch backed Madge on the Back Page as well

 

[Aubanon]

You don't sack madge. BUT you hire an assistant that can take over. Time to clip his wings

 

[BAGNF05]

So I just listened to the podcast from Joel Caine at "Drive with Joel & Fletch" and it goes for like 9 mins. This is a 100% must watch as he hits the nail on the head about our situation.
Do yourself a favour and look it up and have a listen.
Madge should be the first one kept and daylight 2nd..
From today and it;s called WestsTigers Honesty Session

The boys over on wests life reckon the same thing

If you side with this pea heart roster over Madge you should go support softball

 

[yeahcaz]

You don't sack madge. BUT you hire an assistant that can take over. Time to clip his wings

Like ? Ciraldo won’t leave for another assistant job, Morris has got a good assistant gig as is.

 

[avocadoontoast]

So I just listened to the podcast from Joel Caine at "Drive with Joel & Fletch" and it goes for like 9 mins. This is a 100% must watch as he hits the nail on the head about our situation.
Do yourself a favour and look it up and have a listen.
Madge should be the first one kept and daylight 2nd..
From today and it;s called WestsTigers Honesty Session

The boys over on wests life reckon the same thing

If you side with this pea heart roster over Madge you should go support softball

The women’s college softball finals is must watch tv on espn

 

[BAGNF05]

So I just listened to the podcast from Joel Caine at "Drive with Joel & Fletch" and it goes for like 9 mins. This is a 100% must watch as he hits the nail on the head about our situation.
Do yourself a favour and look it up and have a listen.
Madge should be the first one kept and daylight 2nd..
From today and it;s called WestsTigers Honesty Session

Had a bit of a listen

Basically everything being discussed here the last pages. Can't get anywhere in this game if players take it upon themselves not to buy in. A few bad ones ruin the whole system.

Well said Joel.

Key point is asking these players about winning like they have any bloody clue. Our group of “senior” players, would have to be the sorriest group of them in the Comp.

When you consider the senior leaders under Madge included packer (reportedly not speaking to coach), mbye, Reynolds, brooks, Matto and Aloiai (flogs), I’d say it’d be the worst of all time. 11th-13th was probably over achieving.

 

[yeahcaz]

So I just listened to the podcast from Joel Caine at "Drive with Joel & Fletch" and it goes for like 9 mins. This is a 100% must watch as he hits the nail on the head about our situation.
Do yourself a favour and look it up and have a listen.
Madge should be the first one kept and daylight 2nd..
From today and it;s called WestsTigers Honesty Session

Had a bit of a listen

Basically everything being discussed here the last pages. Can't get anywhere in this game if players take it upon themselves not to buy in. A few bad ones ruin the whole system.

Well said Joel.

Key point is asking these players about winning like they have any bloody clue. Our group of “senior” players, would have to be the sorriest group of them in the Comp.

When you consider the senior leaders under Madge included packer (reportedly not speaking to coach), mbye, Reynolds, brooks, Matto and Aloiai (flogs), I’d say it’d be the worst of all time. 11th-13th was probably over achieving.

Undoubtedly. It’s a bottom 4 roster and coming into next season you could make the argument it’s bottom 2

 

[BAGNF05]

So I just listened to the podcast from Joel Caine at "Drive with Joel & Fletch" and it goes for like 9 mins. This is a 100% must watch as he hits the nail on the head about our situation.
Do yourself a favour and look it up and have a listen.
Madge should be the first one kept and daylight 2nd..
From today and it;s called WestsTigers Honesty Session

Had a bit of a listen

Basically everything being discussed here the last pages. Can't get anywhere in this game if players take it upon themselves not to buy in. A few bad ones ruin the whole system.

Well said Joel.

Key point is asking these players about winning like they have any bloody clue. Our group of “senior” players, would have to be the sorriest group of them in the Comp.

When you consider the senior leaders under Madge included packer (reportedly not speaking to coach), mbye, Reynolds, brooks, Matto and Aloiai (flogs), I’d say it’d be the worst of all time. 11th-13th was probably over achieving.

Undoubtedly. It’s a bottom 4 roster and coming into next season you could make the argument it’s bottom 2

Not according to our mr media Chairman

 

[wonka]

So tyga says his mate thinks there is a divide in the playing group not sure if real but take it with a grain of salt. Now the whole forum goes bonkers of a rumour, funny how this all comes out just before sacking some staff. Was so quiet all year long not a peep.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

So tyga says his mate thinks there is a divide in the playing group not sure if real but take it with a grain of salt. Now the whole forum goes bonkers of a rumour, funny how this all comes out just before sacking some staff. Was so quiet all year long not a peep.

And suddenly everyone is backing the coach. Weird 🤔

 

[Guest]

we had enough to offer Latrell over $1m last season

We would have had enough to offer 3 Latrells $3m without the cap constraints.

And due to how constrained we were, if we did land Latrell the rest of the squad would have been filled with minimum wagers - definitely no Doueihi, no Lucy, no Laurie, no Ken Maumolo. Latrell can be a bludger at times - and any game he didn't turn up we would have been flogged.

We could have $10m and it wouldn't make a difference. Players don't want to play for Maguire. I wouldn't want to.

It's just a myth that people take as true because it is repeated so much on here. The vast majority of players who have played with him, here or elsewhere, say it is rubbish. Our recruiting is at least as good under Madge as his predecessors, and I would argue better.

What recruitment? We haven't signed 1 NRL player for next year. And it's not a myth that players don't want to come here. My proof: No-one is coming here.

We always make most of our signings in the offseason, every single year.

People are just getting all hysterical because we didn't turn up against the Dogs in a meaningless game with our best players missing.

They beat us 38-0. We also conceded more points than them for the entire season. And that recruitment strategy is ridiculous, because you have no control over it. You are relying on teams shifting players, which might not happen. And even if it does, you're confident we'll sign some? Why? We haven't signed anyone else?

Yes 38-0, but it was a meaningless game, with most of our best players missing. Mentally Penrith was our last game of the season, then they checked out for the year. Not defending it, but it's nothing to slit our wrists over.

As for recruiting in the offseason it's not necessarily a strategy, it's just how it happens. Nobody in a top 8 team will be signing anywhere right now, give it a few weeks and that will change. I would bet my right testicle we make a few decent signings in the next 2 months (not that it's much to gamble haha).

I can guarantee you it wasn't a nothing game for Madge - he couldn't get them up for the game though.

Which is why it's bonkers to suggest he can turn it around for next season when the vast majority of the squad is the same.

For pretty much the entire second half of the season they played like a team who had given up on the coach. Don't see him turning them around at all

It's a sad reality - some players clearly tried each week, but when half the team pulls up stumps before the ball is kicked, you're going to end up with a loss on most occasions.

I'd like to be a fly on the wall inside clubs like Melbourne and the Roosters where you just don't hear of players being unhappy - they just thrive. Someone gets injured, the replacement comes in and does their job consistently. So clearly they've built cultures, set standards and have the right staff in place who not only command respect, but deserve it.

It would be interesting to see how far we fall behind in this respect - I've got no doubt some of it is on the players as too many don't have the hunger or will to win every week, so behind the scenes obviously requires a lot of work still.

 

[Tiger5150]

So I just listened to the podcast from Joel Caine at "Drive with Joel & Fletch" and it goes for like 9 mins. This is a 100% must watch as he hits the nail on the head about our situation.
Do yourself a favour and look it up and have a listen.
Madge should be the first one kept and daylight 2nd..
From today and it;s called WestsTigers Honesty Session

The boys over on wests life reckon the same thing

If you side with this pea heart roster over Madge you should go support softball

two things can be true at once.

 

[BAGNF05]

So I just listened to the podcast from Joel Caine at "Drive with Joel & Fletch" and it goes for like 9 mins. This is a 100% must watch as he hits the nail on the head about our situation.
Do yourself a favour and look it up and have a listen.
Madge should be the first one kept and daylight 2nd..
From today and it;s called WestsTigers Honesty Session

The boys over on wests life reckon the same thing

If you side with this pea heart roster over Madge you should go support softball

two things can be true at once.

Yeah front office review is going the way of our footy side.

 

[The_Patriot]

You don't sack madge. BUT you hire an assistant that can take over. Time to clip his wings

Like ? Ciraldo won’t leave for another assistant job, Morris has got a good assistant gig as is.

Hartigan coached the Roosters WNRL side, maybe he could help Madge lol

 

[The_Patriot]

we had enough to offer Latrell over $1m last season

We would have had enough to offer 3 Latrells $3m without the cap constraints.

And due to how constrained we were, if we did land Latrell the rest of the squad would have been filled with minimum wagers - definitely no Doueihi, no Lucy, no Laurie, no Ken Maumolo. Latrell can be a bludger at times - and any game he didn't turn up we would have been flogged.

We could have $10m and it wouldn't make a difference. Players don't want to play for Maguire. I wouldn't want to.

It's just a myth that people take as true because it is repeated so much on here. The vast majority of players who have played with him, here or elsewhere, say it is rubbish. Our recruiting is at least as good under Madge as his predecessors, and I would argue better.

What recruitment? We haven't signed 1 NRL player for next year. And it's not a myth that players don't want to come here. My proof: No-one is coming here.

We always make most of our signings in the offseason, every single year.

People are just getting all hysterical because we didn't turn up against the Dogs in a meaningless game with our best players missing.

They beat us 38-0. We also conceded more points than them for the entire season. And that recruitment strategy is ridiculous, because you have no control over it. You are relying on teams shifting players, which might not happen. And even if it does, you're confident we'll sign some? Why? We haven't signed anyone else?

Yes 38-0, but it was a meaningless game, with most of our best players missing. Mentally Penrith was our last game of the season, then they checked out for the year. Not defending it, but it's nothing to slit our wrists over.

As for recruiting in the offseason it's not necessarily a strategy, it's just how it happens. Nobody in a top 8 team will be signing anywhere right now, give it a few weeks and that will change. I would bet my right testicle we make a few decent signings in the next 2 months (not that it's much to gamble haha).

I can guarantee you it wasn't a nothing game for Madge - he couldn't get them up for the game though.

Which is why it's bonkers to suggest he can turn it around for next season when the vast majority of the squad is the same.

For pretty much the entire second half of the season they played like a team who had given up on the coach. Don't see him turning them around at all

It's a sad reality - some players clearly tried each week, but when half the team pulls up stumps before the ball is kicked, you're going to end up with a loss on most occasions.

I'd like to be a fly on the wall inside clubs like Melbourne and the Roosters where you just don't hear of players being unhappy - they just thrive. Someone gets injured, the replacement comes in and does their job consistently. So clearly they've built cultures, set standards and have the right staff in place who not only command respect, but deserve it.

It would be interesting to see how far we fall behind in this respect - I've got no doubt some of it is on the players as too many don't have the hunger or will to win every week, so behind the scenes obviously requires a lot of work still.

Adding to that i found Joel Caines comments on his Podcast today about Steve Morris not being able to reveal information about the Roosters as Robinson has a philosophy in place that you dont reveal information to anyone even youre father interesting. His reasoning was that this would put the pressure of that information on that individual you passed it on to.

Obviously this helps the Roosters keep it in house but it also shows the difference in our club and theirs.

They take responsibility for their own actions. Well are at least asked to by their coach.

 

[Guest]

we had enough to offer Latrell over $1m last season

We would have had enough to offer 3 Latrells $3m without the cap constraints.

And due to how constrained we were, if we did land Latrell the rest of the squad would have been filled with minimum wagers - definitely no Doueihi, no Lucy, no Laurie, no Ken Maumolo. Latrell can be a bludger at times - and any game he didn't turn up we would have been flogged.

We could have $10m and it wouldn't make a difference. Players don't want to play for Maguire. I wouldn't want to.

It's just a myth that people take as true because it is repeated so much on here. The vast majority of players who have played with him, here or elsewhere, say it is rubbish. Our recruiting is at least as good under Madge as his predecessors, and I would argue better.

What recruitment? We haven't signed 1 NRL player for next year. And it's not a myth that players don't want to come here. My proof: No-one is coming here.

We always make most of our signings in the offseason, every single year.

People are just getting all hysterical because we didn't turn up against the Dogs in a meaningless game with our best players missing.

They beat us 38-0. We also conceded more points than them for the entire season. And that recruitment strategy is ridiculous, because you have no control over it. You are relying on teams shifting players, which might not happen. And even if it does, you're confident we'll sign some? Why? We haven't signed anyone else?

Yes 38-0, but it was a meaningless game, with most of our best players missing. Mentally Penrith was our last game of the season, then they checked out for the year. Not defending it, but it's nothing to slit our wrists over.

As for recruiting in the offseason it's not necessarily a strategy, it's just how it happens. Nobody in a top 8 team will be signing anywhere right now, give it a few weeks and that will change. I would bet my right testicle we make a few decent signings in the next 2 months (not that it's much to gamble haha).

I can guarantee you it wasn't a nothing game for Madge - he couldn't get them up for the game though.

Which is why it's bonkers to suggest he can turn it around for next season when the vast majority of the squad is the same.

For pretty much the entire second half of the season they played like a team who had given up on the coach. Don't see him turning them around at all

It's a sad reality - some players clearly tried each week, but when half the team pulls up stumps before the ball is kicked, you're going to end up with a loss on most occasions.

I'd like to be a fly on the wall inside clubs like Melbourne and the Roosters where you just don't hear of players being unhappy - they just thrive. Someone gets injured, the replacement comes in and does their job consistently. So clearly they've built cultures, set standards and have the right staff in place who not only command respect, but deserve it.

It would be interesting to see how far we fall behind in this respect - I've got no doubt some of it is on the players as too many don't have the hunger or will to win every week, so behind the scenes obviously requires a lot of work still.

Adding to that i found Joel Caines comments on his Podcast today about Steve Morris not being able to reveal information about the Roosters as Robinson has a philosophy in place that you dont reveal information to anyone even youre father interesting. His reasoning was that this would put the pressure of that information on that individual you passed it on to.

Obviously this helps the Roosters keep it in house but it also shows the difference in our club and theirs.

They take responsibility for their own actions. Well are at least asked to by their coach.

Knowing Trent's brother, I know they've an incredibly hard working bunch and incredibly determined to achieve success - they absolutely hate losing and really do drive the highest of standards.

 

[Tiger5150]

So I just listened to the podcast from Joel Caine at "Drive with Joel & Fletch" and it goes for like 9 mins. This is a 100% must watch as he hits the nail on the head about our situation.
Do yourself a favour and look it up and have a listen.
Madge should be the first one kept and daylight 2nd..
From today and it;s called WestsTigers Honesty Session

The boys over on wests life reckon the same thing

If you side with this pea heart roster over Madge you should go support softball

two things can be true at once.

Yeah front office review is going the way of our footy side.

I meant that our squad could be pea hearts and Madge is not up to it.

Dangerous to think in absolutes.

 

[Tiger5150]

we had enough to offer Latrell over $1m last season

We would have had enough to offer 3 Latrells $3m without the cap constraints.

And due to how constrained we were, if we did land Latrell the rest of the squad would have been filled with minimum wagers - definitely no Doueihi, no Lucy, no Laurie, no Ken Maumolo. Latrell can be a bludger at times - and any game he didn't turn up we would have been flogged.

We could have $10m and it wouldn't make a difference. Players don't want to play for Maguire. I wouldn't want to.

It's just a myth that people take as true because it is repeated so much on here. The vast majority of players who have played with him, here or elsewhere, say it is rubbish. Our recruiting is at least as good under Madge as his predecessors, and I would argue better.

What recruitment? We haven't signed 1 NRL player for next year. And it's not a myth that players don't want to come here. My proof: No-one is coming here.

We always make most of our signings in the offseason, every single year.

People are just getting all hysterical because we didn't turn up against the Dogs in a meaningless game with our best players missing.

They beat us 38-0. We also conceded more points than them for the entire season. And that recruitment strategy is ridiculous, because you have no control over it. You are relying on teams shifting players, which might not happen. And even if it does, you're confident we'll sign some? Why? We haven't signed anyone else?

Yes 38-0, but it was a meaningless game, with most of our best players missing. Mentally Penrith was our last game of the season, then they checked out for the year. Not defending it, but it's nothing to slit our wrists over.

As for recruiting in the offseason it's not necessarily a strategy, it's just how it happens. Nobody in a top 8 team will be signing anywhere right now, give it a few weeks and that will change. I would bet my right testicle we make a few decent signings in the next 2 months (not that it's much to gamble haha).

I can guarantee you it wasn't a nothing game for Madge - he couldn't get them up for the game though.

Which is why it's bonkers to suggest he can turn it around for next season when the vast majority of the squad is the same.

For pretty much the entire second half of the season they played like a team who had given up on the coach. Don't see him turning them around at all

It's a sad reality - some players clearly tried each week, but when half the team pulls up stumps before the ball is kicked, you're going to end up with a loss on most occasions.

I'd like to be a fly on the wall inside clubs like Melbourne and the Roosters where you just don't hear of players being unhappy - they just thrive. Someone gets injured, the replacement comes in and does their job consistently. So clearly they've built cultures, set standards and have the right staff in place who not only command respect, but deserve it.

It would be interesting to see how far we fall behind in this respect - I've got no doubt some of it is on the players as too many don't have the hunger or will to win every week, so behind the scenes obviously requires a lot of work still.

Adding to that i found Joel Caines comments on his Podcast today about Steve Morris not being able to reveal information about the Roosters as Robinson has a philosophy in place that you dont reveal information to anyone even youre father interesting. His reasoning was that this would put the pressure of that information on that individual you passed it on to.

Obviously this helps the Roosters keep it in house but it also shows the difference in our club and theirs.

They take responsibility for their own actions. Well are at least asked to by their coach.

and they win most weeks..........start losing and see how tight the ship is.