No New Signings until 2017 - Jason Taylor Statement

[Tony33]

8\. WOODS
9\. FARAH
10\. GALLOWAY
11.TAPAU
12\. …..HALATAU
13\. SIRONEN

7\. BROOKS
6\. MOSES
5\. RICHARDS
4\. SIMONA
3\. ....NAQAMA/LAWRENCE
2\. NOFOALUMA
1\. TEDESCO

14\. Santi/Akouola
15\. Lodge
16\. Ava
17\. Sue

That's not a bad side, but JT is right....we need a centre and a second rower...

Can anyone explain the obsession some people have with trying to turn Taupau into a back rower? He's the one bright spot heading into 2015, he's not broken, don't fix him.

I recall Taupau coming off the bench and playing on the left edge a few times. Even once targeting Cherry-Evans against Manly at Leichardt and making a line break. **It's not something that's totally out of the picture and as idiotic as your making it out to be.**

Taupau is too good to be a bench player his whole career and has the mobility and speed to cut it as an edge second rower or playing in the middle at lock. That way he can fix our back row crisis whilst finding a way to maximise his time on the field. Kill to birds with one stone.

Why do you think the idea is so extraordinary ?

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I think it is. His biggest asset is being able to come in to the game when the sting is out of it and run amok. Why screw with something that works? And he isn't a bench player cos he isn't good enough to be in the starting side, he's a bench player cos it makes sense with how he runs the ball, its strategic.

There are positives in both strategies GNR. He can start in the second row and maximise the time he has to run havoc or play off the bench and maximise the impact he actually makes. The reason i would go with the first strategy is it could potentially solve our second row crisis.

I also don't buy into the more game time, limits his impact. He came on for NZ in the four nations final around about the 20th minute and played into the second half until he got injured. His last run was just as damaging as his first and he was creating plenty of havoc, managing to change the game.

I would move him to a starting left back rower postion, but that's just my opinion.

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[Tigermama]

Please forget I ever mentioned Abbott and let's get back to football. I should have kept my point to a simple family budget situation such as if you spend too much you have to rein in your future spending for the time required to have the budget balanced again. That's all. This forum is primarily to discuss football and have some fun doing so. The last place I would ever want to visit is the dirty politics jungle.

Thank God for that :blush:

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

At this time I would still rather See Taupau starting off the bench.
What you said Tony , about his great game in the Final was exactly that( off the bench)
Yes he played through into the second half. But the important thing was that he had a break at halftime . The same thing that Most first change Props doweek in week out.
He played 20 minutes then went off for the half time break, then came back on after the break .and most likely would have gone off again at about the 60 minute mark , or earlier if he tired .
A total time of around 40 minutes.
Which suits how he plays. I'm not saying that he will never be a starting player. But Having him come on when the defence tires is what his game is suited to .

Especially as , at the moment , his defence drops away after he's been for longer periods . Normal fatigue.
It also gives a Coach a choice ,in that he can judge how he's going in the second half and if he is up to it , he can leave him on longer, or take him off earlier, He's still young and still learning his job , and will only get better.
These days it's hard for any props to play at the pace,and intensity that he does. And as fatigue sets in , the first thing that is affected is their defence.
His style of play is much more valuable when the defences are stating to get tired, and what would have been a good run for him in the 10th min.,is likely to end up as a line break in the 25th or 30th minute.

 

[Doc_Tiger]

What Taylor has done is very similar to what Abbott has did after he became prime minister. He could see that there existed a big budget blowout and to correct this problem needed to take measures. which were not popular with a lot of people. Still if his measures succeed Australia will be better positioned in future from an economic point of view. The same could be said about Wests Tigers.

I hope that Jason does not wish to create an air of fear to control the playing group, nor add more dollars to the coffers of the Farah's and Lawrence's of the club so that the can run their brown coal fired barbeques at the expense of the Santi's and Fine's children.

Surely he won't also want to charge the less well off lower grade players a fee for the first dozen or so times they have to visit the club doctor or physio.

Does this mean that he will double the fees for anyone who wants to study the game plans each week and pay all the rich stars wives to stay at home while everyone plays?
And I suppose he intends to go up into the grandstands each week and give money to everyone who is smoking

Means when rich kids want to study the game then as they make millions they can pay back a few bucks to the game that supported them instead of charging poor supporters, means that all the wives or husbands can take a reasonable time off to support thier kids but also means that women can continue their careers after taking time off to have the footballers of tomorrow, it means that everyday supporters of the game have the freedom to choose what they do with their money and time

OMFG!

 

[innsaneink]

At this time I would still rather See Taupau starting off the bench.
What you said Tony , about his great game in the Final was exactly that( off the bench)
Yes he played through into the second half. But the important thing was that he had a break at halftime . The same thing that Most first change Props doweek in week out.
He played 20 minutes then went off for the half time break, then came back on after the break .and most likely would have gone off again at about the 60 minute mark , or earlier if he tired .
A total time of around 40 minutes.
Which suits how he plays. I'm not saying that he will never be a starting player. But Having him come on when the defence tires is what his game is suited to .

Especially as , at the moment , his defence drops away after he's been for longer periods . Normal fatigue.
It also gives a Coach a choice ,in that he can judge how he's going in the second half and if he is up to it , he can leave him on longer, or take him off earlier, He's still young and still learning his job , and will only get better.
These days it's hard for any props to play at the pace,and intensity that he does. And as fatigue sets in , the first thing that is affected is their defence.
His style of play is much more valuable when the defences are stating to get tired, and what would have been a good run for him in the 10th min.,is likely to end up as a line break in the 25th or 30th minute.

Impact player as opposed to starting toiler

 

[hobbo]

At this time I would still rather See Taupau starting off the bench.
What you said Tony , about his great game in the Final was exactly that( off the bench)
Yes he played through into the second half. But the important thing was that he had a break at halftime . The same thing that Most first change Props doweek in week out.
He played 20 minutes then went off for the half time break, then came back on after the break .and most likely would have gone off again at about the 60 minute mark , or earlier if he tired .
A total time of around 40 minutes.
Which suits how he plays. I'm not saying that he will never be a starting player. But Having him come on when the defence tires is what his game is suited to .

Especially as , at the moment , his defence drops away after he's been for longer periods . Normal fatigue.
It also gives a Coach a choice ,in that he can judge how he's going in the second half and if he is up to it , he can leave him on longer, or take him off earlier, He's still young and still learning his job , and will only get better.
These days it's hard for any props to play at the pace,and intensity that he does. And as fatigue sets in , the first thing that is affected is their defence.
His style of play is much more valuable when the defences are stating to get tired, and what would have been a good run for him in the 10th min.,is likely to end up as a line break in the 25th or 30th minute.

Impact player as opposed to starting toiler

I agree , Taupau is a great impact player , I suppose we'll find out next season what Taylor has planned for him in regards to his starting position .
My concern is that now Taupau is a kiwi international will he be happy coming off the bench each week ??
IMO I can't see the harm in Taupau in the starting line up as our starts in games are usually pretty poor … Just my thoughts !

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[king_sirro]

Being branded an impact players holds players back. Ask Gorden Tallis.

 

[TrueTiger]

I still reckon Tapau can start and still make a fair impression…
There isn't anything wrong with trying something new,otherwise you don't find out....

 

[stevetiger]

I'd play Taupua at lock playing up the middle. I think he could be just like Watmough but not a grub.

 

[The-moP]

Taupau can still be an impact player…..play him for 20 or 30 minutes from the start...bring him then bring him back on the final 30 or 20 minutes...!!1 There you go impact at the start then impact at the end of the game. What he showed in the 4 NAtions comp is enough to make other clubs make an offer to him...!!! We better keep him...!!

 

[innsaneink]

Everyones fresh at the start..

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Taupau can still be an impact player…..play him for 20 or 30 minutes from the start...bring him then bring him back on the final 30 or 20 minutes...!!1 There you go impact at the start then impact at the end of the game. What he showed in the 4 NAtions comp is enough to make other clubs make an offer to him...!!! We better keep him...!!

You can't expect him to have the same effect when everyone is still fresh and the defence is tight, the whole idea of having him off the bench is that by about 20 mins in, defenders are getting tired and holes start to appear , that's where Taupau is brilliant. Yes he would be good at the start , but you are wrong about him having the same effect

 

[foreveratiger]

You gotta love this Forum, we all think that we are Coaches :laughing:

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I'm going to let JT show us what he can do before I line up him for execution. It's only fair to afford the incoming coach that courtesy.

 

[happy_tiger]

I'm going to let JT show us what he can do before I line up him for execution. It's only fair to afford the incoming coach that courtesy.

And I'm sure we all will give him some grace CB

He been handed a worse situation than Potter was in some ways

My issues are with people higher up

 

[jirskyr]

Some pure madness in here.

I wonder if people truly think that a few mid-tier signings here and there would make that much difference. We cannot afford an Inglis or a SBW right now, and maybe they wouldn't want to come anyway.

Some people ask the question "why don't Tigers attract the big-name players" and in the same breath bemoan our finances and question why we would keep out of the signing market just now. It should be blatantly obvious that don't have the money for anyone good in the positions we are really light.

I'm glad we aren't wasting our money on SKDs and FPNs. Average and risky purchases. I'd rather take a punt on the existing roster and actually sign someone decent in a few years time, a real game-changer in a position we are weak.

And what happens if in 2 years the kids like Martin, Seve, Liolevave are class players, how do we keep them all if we have a bunch of plodders on back-ended contracts, something we we have struggled with the last few years?

I mean look at some of the recent losses:
Anasta - average
Blair - average
Thompson - average
Fulton - would have kept him on if we could
Austin - a little above average
Paterson - average
Gavet - unreliable
Benji - average in 2014

That's a lot of average footballers taking up a good chunk of money. I'd rather pay the likes of Ava and Jesse Sue if we want good no-frills footballers.

 

[happy_tiger]

Some pure madness in here.

I wonder if people truly think that a few mid-tier signings here and there would make that much difference. We cannot afford an Inglis or a SBW right now, and maybe they wouldn't want to come anyway.

Some people ask the question "why don't Tigers attract the big-name players" and in the same breath bemoan our finances and question why we would keep out of the signing market just now. It should be blatantly obvious that don't have the money for anyone good in the positions we are really light.

I'm glad we aren't wasting our money on SKDs and FPNs. Average and risky purchases. I'd rather take a punt on the existing roster and actually sign someone decent in a few years time, a real game-changer in a position we are weak.

And what happens if in 2 years the kids like Martin, Seve, Liolevave are class players, how do we keep them all if we have a bunch of plodders on back-ended contracts, something we we have struggled with the last few years?

I mean look at some of the recent losses:
Anasta - average
Blair - average
Thompson - average
Fulton - would have kept him on if we could
Austin - a little above average
Paterson - average
Gavet - unreliable
Benji - average in 2014

That's a lot of average footballers taking up a good chunk of money. I'd rather pay the likes of Ava and Jesse Sue if we want good no-frills footballers.

I totally understand what your getting at , but these young kids aren't going to grow if they don't have any experience around them

Who is going to give advice to our rookie back rowers from the modern game about the nuances of playing back row Rod Reddy or David Kidwell

Who is going to give good advice to our young and inexperienced centres (If someone says Lawrence , well he needs to heed that same advice )

SKD would of been an experienced head in a very young backline bar Richards

I can see what and why the club had done , but they haven't bothered to think about the what if for 2015 and 2016

And they will still expect us to show up to games and then criticise if we don't

And that's my issue The club has made massive mistakes in just about every area of management and has basically written off two seasons to try and right the ship

Which is fine

But don't some screaming at the fans when they don't come out and support the team if and when the team starts performing badly

They got us into this , not the fans , not the players

 

[NT_Tiger]

Quote 'Happy' "I can see what and why the club had done , but they haven't bothered to think about the what if for 2015 and 2016
And they will still expect us to show up to games and then criticise if we don't
And that's my issue The club has made massive mistakes in just about every area of management and has basically written off two seasons to try and right the ship
Which is fine
But don't some screaming at the fans when they don't come out and support the team if and when the team starts performing badly
They got us into this , not the fans , not the players"

Hi Happy,
Your recent posts scream frustration. I get it, but I'm going to go with the flow because I don't think I have any other choice. It looks to me like neither does JT or the rest of management. They have been left with a steaming pile of proverbial and I'd speculate that it doesn't smell any better to them than it does to us.

I'm sure they have thought about the 'what if's' but I'm guessing that some of the 'what if's' they have on their plate are pretty big and possibly terminal or they wouldn't have decided to go with zero recruitment in key positions. I disagree with the statement; 'they got us into this'. The current 'they' is a change from the old 'they' that really did get us into this. The current 'they' is having to make some seemingly drastic decisions because the old 'they' left little or no alternative.

The good things to come out of this: 1) The young up and comers will get their chances to shine and grow. Win or lose, if they put in for 80 minutes each week, I'll be happy. 2) We'll see just how good, or otherwise, our coaching staff and S&C staff are. 3) Marquee players may see the growing potential in our young players and coaching and want to be a part of it. 4) The club will be a better organised , financially and otherwise, place in a year or so.

Take a deep breath.

 

[simonthetiger]

I fail to see how things are so bad…..we have gotten rid of underachieving and overpaid hacks like Anasta and Blair.

Our spine for next year looks bloody awesome to...Farah/Brooks/Moses and Teddy....cant wait to see these four fit and on the field.

Peeps forget that we were right in the mix b4 injuries cruelled us and the Pottergate crisis hit.

I think peeps need to take a deep breath and wait and see how much the best crop of juniors in the land go this year.

I for one am amped and ready to go!

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Next yr will be interesting to see if the young kids stand up. If they don't, it will be another long yr.