Pascoe sanctioned by the NRL

[Telltails]

The NRL are a law unto themselves and until some one bites back the bending over will continue. They over see an unfair competition turning a blind eye to the strong and stomping on others, who attempt to match them.
Whether we were in the right or wrong with the Farah deal, they have whipped us because they can, and we let them because its not too difficult to work out.
The only reason we survive in this competition in my opinion, is because of our fan base. They cant afford to lose us but at the same time we are so downtrodden we keep coming back for more. At some point something has got to give.

 

[Geo]

Have I got this right? Farahs effective cap hit should have been (according to to the NRL): Ambassador role $639k, Tigers paid $750k for him to play at Souths and Souths paid him $150k. Total of $1.539 million.

My understanding is that 639K was for 4 years after footy not disclosed in 2016 as a sweetener to leave ..he hasn't been paid that money YET…nothing really to do his existing contract then...apart from Cap relief being sought as he was considered a destabilising influence by the Club at that time

 

[Swordy]

The NRL 100% claimed we were hiding the contract, they claimed we misled them, We claimed there was no deal. Now after seeing the NRL evidence we agree with their findings. The club has actually apologised to the NRL. We admitted fault today and didn’t deny any part of the NRL’s claims, that is accepting guilt.

We mentioned in the press a possible deal 12 months before it was apparently entered into. There was no mention by the Tigers of the deal in the press once it was entered into.

Cochise, can you point me to the part where the club AGREED with the NRL findings and their version of events? All I can find is a part where the club has ACCEPTED there was an unintentional breach of the rules in that we did not declare a promise of future employment as part of the salary cap. Im not seeing where the club AGREED we intentionally, deliberately or underhandedly tried to cheat.

 

[cochise]

Cochise, can you point me to the part where the club AGREED with the NRL findings and their version of events? All I can find is a part where the club has ACCEPTED there was an unintentional breach of the rules in that we did not declare a promise of future employment as part of the salary cap. Im not seeing where the club AGREED we intentionally, deliberately or underhandedly tried to cheat.

The NRL stated all I said in their press conference, we denied it. After being shown the evidence we have turned around and said that we did it by accident. We didnt deny their version of events, in fact we apologised for our original response. We have noe admitted we broke the rules and reports coming from nrl.com are saying we did it as an inducement to get Robbie to leave

 

[Harvey]

I agree with an earlier post. Pascoe's biggest mistake was allowing Cleary to bring Farah back. It was a sweetener to get him out of the club when the previous coach wanted him gone. It was out in the public domain.

If we sign Segeyaro or someone else last year, this never happens. It was the perception that he has received additional benefits on top of his current contracts that have got us into trouble.

 

[Telltails]

I think the NRL think it was all part of the plan devised by our "lone wolf" CEO unbeknown to anyone else in the club, and hence why he has been de - registered.
The way for Farah to get back to the club and cheat the cap at the same time - its beyond farcical, but possible, so it must be true. The NRL judicial system. Yes I am bitter all Wests Tigers supporters should be.

 

[Harvey]

Can anyone explain to me why Manly’s CEO Lyall Gorman, has not been deregistered?

He was Cronulla’s CEO when they were setting up shelf companies to pass dodgy outside the cap payments through.

 

[cochise]

Can anyone explain to me why Manly’s CEO Lyall Gorman, has not been deregistered?

That is a very good point!

 

[diedpretty]

The only thing i don't like in the clubs response is the apology. Totally unnecessary and a sign of weakness and grovelling. The rest of the response is factual and to the point. It states that we inadvertently made a mistake and accept that we should have notified the NRL and in not doing so we accept the penalty applied. I don't understand the apology and what it refers to - " our initial response ". The only way i can see an apology was necessary was if the club told the NRL to stick their penalty where the sun don't shine. One can only hope that is what we did.

 

[diedpretty]

Geez we are a bunch of homers
Tigers admitted fault
Pascoe admitted fault and remorse
Yet we all think the NRL made a mistake ?
When was the last time they lost an appeal?
Wake up, Pascoe stuffed up … got busted … and by the looks of it is lucky to be back so soon …
A 650k error - deliberate or not … would cost most of us our jobs …
if you offer a player work / payment after retirement … it goes in the cap… otherwise it will always happen … **“I’ll pay you 100k but wink wink here’s a side contract that we won’t disclose to the NRL AND YOU WILL BE LOOKED AFTER IN RETIREMENT PROMISE**
**You people are idiots if you think Pascoe is hard done by**

And then you go and announce it to all and sundry in the media. Not something someone would do if they were trying to hide the deal.

 

[diedpretty]

"Reliably informed" - you want to toss that out there you need to back it up with a name otherwise its just your opinion.

 

[Russell]

Guess for one then - I am an idiot!

I should have known you were the only one that knew what was going on.

Guess you should take Pascoe's place.

 

[Plato]

Nothing that was released today, by the NRL or by our club confirms that as being true.

Also true Cochise but then no-one denied it either. Marina took the soft line in her interview rather than step on any toes, and I wouldn't be expecting the NRL to say anything favourable about us. Yes, Pascoe comes out of this looking like a wimp but someone had to be an adult or the matter would have dragged on forever.

 

[diedpretty]

Our club today admitted to misleading the NRL, cheating the cap, hiding a contract from the NRL. I am pissed at the people in our club who put us in that position. People here still want to play the victim, but we can’t, we admitted it!

You must have read a different response to the one i read. Yes the club admitted making a mistake by not notifying the NRL. They also said that mistake was made with no intention of cheating. There was also no mention of hiding a contract. Why not just stick to what was actually in the response rather than what's in your head.

 

[TigerSJ]

It seems clear to me that the end result, even down to the club's apologetic statement, was a negotiated outcome over the last couple of months. The club and Pascoe obviously did the wrong thing under the Cap rules, and the NRL had to be seen to come down hard on Clubs that are breaking their rules. The situation was a bit of a juggling act with WTs trying to sign Jennings and with the Musgrove problem.
The "NEGOTIATION" that the lawyers and NRL had to work out was how to move on such that WTs got an appropriate punishment that they could wear, Pascoe got reprimanded, we still remained under the cap and could sign Jennings, and the NRL looked like they were being tough on Cap cheaters. Even de-registering Musgrove is all part of the settlement deal and his fate now lies in the courts - if he's found to be guilty then he's gone, if not guilty then there will be an arrangement to get him registered with us.
The only piece of this puzzle that doesn't quite fit is Marina Go's pending resignation (in my view she is obviously preparing to leave soon) - this might be that after a fairly tough road, she just doesn't like the way the game works and she has had enough. Maybe she feels she has done her bit and helped to get the club on the right path - considering the position we were in 3-4 years ago.

 

[Harvey]

So this is my summary of the NRL's salary cap enforcement arm, let me know anything I have wrong.

Big salary cap penalties have been issued to: Canterbury, Melbourne, Parramatta, Manly, Cronulla and the Tigers.

Canterbury, Melbourne, Parramatta, Cronulla and Manly either self reported or had a disgruntled employee inform the NRL of the breach.

We reported our breach through most major media outlets.

Apart from us, all the other breaches related to illegal payments made in prior years, where the NRL auditing team had signed off on the club being compliant for that year.

What the hell does this unit do? It is the equivalent of police only solving crimes where the perpetrator confesses. A doctor that can only treat patients who tell them what is wrong. A mechanic who will fix your car if you tell him whats wrong and turn up with part, tools and an instruction manual.

This sums up the absolute incompetency of the NRL.

 

[jadtiger]

If Go does leave it will be a terrible blow to the club she has more than played her part in turning the club around.If she is leaving because of the way the NRL blunders around with no consistency or transparency and perceived favouritism i would not be too surprised.
To be quite honest she would do a far better job than Beattie and possibly change the policy of reactive to proactive to the benefit of all clubs and not just Toddles favourites

 

[old_man_tiger]

I wonder if this all just dodgy deals being cut behind closed doors. Maybe Flanagan was the sacrificial lamb at the sharks. I know he did other things wrong, just a theory that these things can't be interpreted literally as they are reported.

 

[HateForums]

If you read what I said .. I don’t know what is going on and neither do you .. no one does except that both Tigers and Pascoe admitted fault .. that’s no point .. but you probably are an idiot nonetheless but I don’t know you well enough to know for sure

 

[TYGA]

I posted what I was told can’t name people on a forum. We accepted the punishment and apologised.NRL rarely get actual breaches wrong sadly it was a black and white issue.

I dont like the fact we are being punished for non disclosure as we didn’t actually breach the monetary cap we are and have been under the cap since the deal was offered.

A fine should have been the punishment only NRL went too far.