Robbie Farah..Discussion Thread.....

[foreveratiger]

Just realised that Benji has been noticeably quiet with all this

Join the dots mate :wink: :laughing:

 

[Telltails]

Last home game of Farahs career, or back next year? To farewell, or not farewell a club legend. Yeah managed really well by our club. Embarrassing.

 

[hammertime]

This decision wouldn't have been made just on a Farah v Taylor basis. Sure, Taylor will have autonomy, but not to the level to replace a club stalwart/captain. It would have had to have buy in from Moss, Cameron and Kidwell. Plus, it would have been sold to the board with pure facts and deliberated for a long time.

For the decision to go through all these hands, something must be seriously up. I can't accept that Farah is blameless in this and I'm sure he has had plenty of warnings with either his playing style or attitude. Most likely attitude.

If it is, the players should hopefully understand it's not about loyalty being shown, it's about the person and treading over a line that should never be stepped over. I hope…

 

[ricksen]

I can understand the reasoning behind the source speaking to the media but I just hope it's not a sign of things to come the one major positive of the new board was the lack of leaks leaving the club hopefully we don't go back to the days when we had more leaks than the titanic.

Fair - though I don't have a problem with this 'leak', as they are simply towing the company line, in that:
* This decision was made some time ago.
* WT is backing their coach.
* WT have had to make hard decisions, which have not been taken lightly - judge us in time.
* Time to get some results now.

I doubt this was a board member speaking out of line.

 

[PrattenParkMagpie]

One thing that is definitely being overstated - we are far from the only club that attempts to shift contracted players on. Manly alone have a well publicised list of players that they're trying to move, and there's always a number of players that move over the Christmas break as teams try to finalise their cap situations and rosters for the upcoming season.
Using this as an example for why players won't want to join us is a non-starter IMO - it happens at each and every club.

As much as JT worries me, I do like that we're backing him to the hilt. I just hope he knows what he's doing.

Anasta and the Roosters instantly comes to mind, the irony is that Anasta comes out a bags the club that gave him a lifeline at every opportunity but stays loyal to the club that threw him out with bathwater.

Most of the successful clubs have no hesitation in offloading aging high priced players and long term loyal players when it suits them.

 

[hammertime]

Marina has just released a letter on the email. Well explained I think without going into the exact detail.

Marina Go: A letter to Wests Tigers Members
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Dear Members,
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As you are all well aware, Wests Tigers have made the difficult decision to allow Captain Robbie Farah permission to investigate opportunities to continue his playing career at another Club following the 2015 NRL season.
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This decision is one that was made after much discussion and deliberation internally and was made with one goal in mind – to build a strong and successful Wests Tigers.
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The Club understands that this decision has been hard for so many Members to come to terms with but it was one that was made with the best future interest of the Club at its core.
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Wests Tigers want to take this opportunity to explain to Members the background of the situation, and hopefully clear up much of the misinformation that you would have read, seen or heard in the last couple of days.
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It’s been well documented that aside from winning the 2005 Premiership Wests Tigers has only made the top eight on two other occasions. For a Club with this level of talent and support it’s not acceptable – this needs to change and we are building a team that will compete for titles in the future.
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At the end of last year, both Jason Taylor and Phil Moss were appointed at the Club. They were given the task of turning the on-field performances around and along with this comes a range of tough decisions around player roster, processes and structures going forward. This is one of many of those tough decisions.
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There have been a lot of questions regarding the timing of this announcement and I want to make it clear that the Club has worked hard with Robbie’s management to ensure that this was handled respectfully.
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Unfortunately on Tuesday, we were informed that a media outlet was about to release the story to the public. It was obviously disappointing for those working hard behind the scenes to ensure that this was handled in the right manner. The Club wanted Members to hear this news from us first, rather than letting external sources break it.
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Wests Tigers never intended to show any disrespect to Robbie – he is a Life Member of the Club and has provided great service since making his debut in 2003.
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He will forever have a place in the heart of every Wests Tigers Member and so he should. He has achieved so much in the past 13 seasons and on behalf of the Club I would like to thank him for everything he has done – both on and off the field.
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So what happens from here? Robbie’s contract has not been terminated, he has a contract with this Club for the next two seasons and that will be financially honoured no matter what. The Club will inform Members of what the future holds for Robbie when we’re in a position to do so.
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The Club would like to thank its Members for their continued support, we understand that this decision would have come as a shock to you but rest assured that it was made with one goal in mind – building a team that will compete for premierships in the future.

 

[bobo125]

Most of the successful clubs have no hesitation in offloading aging high priced players and long term loyal players when it suits them.

Agree, but none of whom have done it in this manner.
end of season giving player minimum options
using the cap as an excuse knowing that all can see its a false line.

know one will disagree that this sort of thing happens.
the thing thats shocked everyone the most is the manner in which by JT has done it.

 

[NT_Tiger]

I agree hammertime, I can't imagine that the board would agree to forgo Farah's salary for the next two years for no apparent return, or to set free a contracted longstanding marquee player and 'Wests Tiger for Life' without considerable debate.

 

[bobo125]

This decision wouldn't have been made just on a Farah v Taylor basis. Sure, Taylor will have autonomy, but not to the level to replace a club stalwart/captain. It would have had to have buy in from Moss, Cameron and Kidwell. Plus, it would have been sold to the board with pure facts and deliberated for a long time.

For the decision to go through all these hands, something must be seriously up. I can't accept that Farah is blameless in this and I'm sure he has had plenty of warnings with either his playing style or attitude. Most likely attitude.

If it is, the players should hopefully understand it's not about loyalty being shown, it's about the person and treading over a line that should never be stepped over. I hope…

mate, this is taylors doing.
im quite sure everyone involved will admit that.
taylor himself has come out and said robbie does not fit in with the plans.

if it were a case of warning etc - im quite confident most work place guidelines re warnings and or terminations would also come into play.
the letter sent out by the CEO this afternoon confirming he has not been sacked and that his wage will be paid in full is also confirmation that there are no formal behavioral issues.
this is merely a case of - "with him gone, the young guys will have to listen to me"

 

[bobo125]

I agree hammertime, I can't imagine that the board would agree to forgo Farah's salary for the next two years for no apparent return, or to set free a contracted longstanding marquee player and 'Wests Tiger for Life' without considerable debate.

you guys do know that the board you are talking about have only been in place for a short period of time.
you do know that those on the board have very very limited understand of football.
you do know they have put all their trust in what the coach says dont you ?

The people that make up a board are usually from the business sector.
they are not ex footballers and they do not and are not responsible for the day to day running of the team.

thats the coachs job.

 

[PrattenParkMagpie]

Most of the successful clubs have no hesitation in offloading aging high priced players and long term loyal players when it suits them.

Agree, but none of whom have done it in this manner.
end of season giving player minimum options
using the cap as an excuse knowing that all can see its a false line.

know one will disagree that this sort of thing happens.
the thing thats shocked everyone the most is the manner in which by JT has done it.

You will need to point me in the direction of a quote where the club has used the cap as an excuse in this instance

 

[Geo]

I agree hammertime, I can't imagine that the board would agree to forgo Farah's salary for the next two years for no apparent return, or to set free a contracted longstanding marquee player and 'Wests Tiger for Life' without considerable debate.

you guys do know that the board you are talking about have only been in place for a short period of time.
you do know that those on the board have very very limited understand of football.
you do know they have put all their trust in what the coach says dont you ?

The people that make up a board are usually from the business sector.
they are not ex footballers and they do not and are not responsible for the day to day running of the team.

thats the coachs job.

Actually it's Phil Moss Director of Football Operations and Acting CEO to liaise with the Board on football related maters…the same guy who was at the Pamfers when Lewis Jennings and Gorden were moved on by them...but carry on...

 

[hammertime]

mate, this is taylors doing.
im quite sure everyone involved will admit that.
taylor himself has come out and said robbie does not fit in with the plans.

if it were a case of warning etc - im quite confident most work place guidelines re warnings and or terminations would also come into play.
the letter sent out by the CEO this afternoon confirming he has not been sacked and that his wage will be paid in full is also confirmation that there are no formal behavioral issues.
this is merely a case of - "with him gone, the young guys will have to listen to me"

There is no way in hell everyone around Taylor would let him make that decision alone. Especially if people thought it was a bad one. Taylor might have started the discussion, but he wouldn't have been the sole decision maker.

They aren't going to terminate a contract on behavior either, that would create a far worse mess than there is currently.

Taylor isn't alone in this, I would put money on it. He would have needed almost complete backing from the key staff and for that to happen, there must be a very good reason.

I hope that the younger guys are mature enough to see it, that's what worries me. It's hard to put your mates aside and look at it from a big picture, especially in an emotionally charged business like this.

 

[bobo125]

Actually it's Phil Moss Director of Football Operations and Acting CEO to liaise with the Board on football related maters…the same guy who was at the Pamfers when Lewis Jennings and Gorden were moved on by them...but carry on...

thats correct.
However, Phil is briefed by Taylor.
his communication forward is based on his communication with the coach.

 

[foreveratiger]

Last home game of Farahs career, or back next year? To farewell, or not farewell a club legend. Yeah managed really well by our club. Embarrassing.

That is the most dissappointing thing of it all , the TIMING of it all and how it's been handled IMO.

If the Coach is trying to clear the decks and make room under the Cap so he can finally bring in his own players and it suits all parties ? so be it . What i'm pissed of about is the way it was handled and Managed and it throws bad Media to our Brand .
When it comes down to it Jason Taylor's job will hinge on results at some point in time , maybe not so much this year cause he walked into the current Roster that there is , but the Wooden Spoon won't help his cause ( if it happens ) . At the start of the year with the squad of players we had ? 10th - 12th i thought could be achievable especially considering injuries have been kind to us except for Nofa .

I have been a Farah critique throughout this year with the way he has performed in some games and the LIVE GAME THREADS throughout the year you will see that in my posts , on current form i think he is only worth between $400,000 - $500,000 tops!!! but he shouldn't be blamed for the backended deals that was signed by previous Management and to be treated in the manner that he has by threatning him of playing Reserve Grade if he stays ? If it's to be believed .
This whole saga has been poorly Managed by who ????? Is Ayoub to be blamed for not being honest with his client from the start ? if we believe what the Media is saying.
Do we blame Taylor at the way he has handled the whole situation ? So many questions that need to be answered that gives the Media so much ammunition to throw our Brand into more chaois and in house fighting between players ,Fans etc…

At the very least if Farah is not part of the plans moving forward ? at the very least he deserves a proper send off , Love him or hate him.
What makes things worse is Management feel the need not to say anything and fans are getting irritated and making assumptions of what has happened .

 

[hammertime]

you guys do know that the board you are talking about have only been in place for a short period of time.
you do know that those on the board have very very limited understand of football.
you do know they have put all their trust in what the coach says dont you ?

The people that make up a board are usually from the business sector.
they are not ex footballers and they do not and are not responsible for the day to day running of the team.

thats the coachs job.

Not just the board who would have made the decision, both the Assistant coaches and the Football manager. Who all do have a very good understanding of football. Including Kidwell who has been there for a while now. All these guys would have been consulted and I'm sure there must have been almost a unanimous decision.

The wests guys on the board too would have provided a good sounding board for the decision from a football perspective.

I know you are painting taylor as the problem here, but there is no way he acted alone.

 

[bobo125]

There is no way in hell everyone around Taylor would let him make that decision alone. Especially if people thought it was a bad one. Taylor might have started the discussion, but he wouldn't have been the sole decision maker.

They aren't going to terminate a contract on behavior either, that would create a far worse mess than there is currently.

Taylor isn't alone in this, I would put money on it. He would have needed almost complete backing from the key staff and for that to happen, there must be a very good reason.

I hope that the younger guys are mature enough to see it, that's what worries me. It's hard to put your mates aside and look at it from a big picture, especially in an emotionally charged business like this.

mate, you will be surprised how much weight the coach carries.
Do you think seriously for 1 second people around taylor would have encouraged or agreed with him telling blocker, sironen etc they were no longer wanted at the club ?

 

[Geo]

Actually it's Phil Moss Director of Football Operations and Acting CEO to liaise with the Board on football related maters…the same guy who was at the Pamfers when Lewis Jennings and Gorden were moved on by them...but carry on...

thats correct.
However, Phil is briefed by Taylor.
his communication forward is based on his communication with the coach.

Two way street Moss was briefed with fixing the salary cap on his appointment…

 

[hammertime]

mate, you will be surprised how much weight the coach carries.
Do you think seriously for 1 second people around taylor would have encouraged or agreed with him telling blocker, sironen etc they were no longer wanted at the club ?

Not a coach who has been here for a year and has us currently winning the spoon.

The only coach who could pull off something like this alone would be a Wayne Bennett or a Craig Bellamy.

 

[PrattenParkMagpie]

maaaaaaaaaate ????????????

Well that is a great reply to state your case….

Now bobo125,

Your slip of OUR CAREER earlier suggested you were a player, former player or similar, and I have noticed when replying to others on this forum you always refer to the Wests Tigers as YOUR CLUB, this also suggests you are not a supporter of the Wests Tigers, most on here would refer to them as OUR CUB or MY CLUB or even THE CLUB.

You only joined when this all started and just about everything you say and even looking at your signature suggests you have a massive set against JT, it all makes it very difficult to take anything you say here objectively maaaaaaaaaate ????????????.