Robbie Farah..Discussion Thread.....

@Telltails said:
Last home game of Farahs career, or back next year? To farewell, or not farewell a club legend. Yeah managed really well by our club. Embarrassing.

That is the most dissappointing thing of it all , the TIMING of it all and how it's been handled IMO.

If the Coach is trying to clear the decks and make room under the Cap so he can finally bring in his own players and it suits all parties ? so be it . What i'm pissed of about is the way it was handled and Managed and it throws bad Media to our Brand .
When it comes down to it Jason Taylor's job will hinge on results at some point in time , maybe not so much this year cause he walked into the current Roster that there is , but the Wooden Spoon won't help his cause ( if it happens ) . At the start of the year with the squad of players we had ? 10th - 12th i thought could be achievable especially considering injuries have been kind to us except for Nofa .

I have been a Farah critique throughout this year with the way he has performed in some games and the LIVE GAME THREADS throughout the year you will see that in my posts , on current form i think he is only worth between $400,000 - $500,000 tops!!! but he shouldn't be blamed for the backended deals that was signed by previous Management and to be treated in the manner that he has by threatning him of playing Reserve Grade if he stays ? If it's to be believed .
This whole saga has been poorly Managed by who ????? Is Ayoub to be blamed for not being honest with his client from the start ? if we believe what the Media is saying.
Do we blame Taylor at the way he has handled the whole situation ? So many questions that need to be answered that gives the Media so much ammunition to throw our Brand into more chaois and in house fighting between players ,Fans etc…

At the very least if Farah is not part of the plans moving forward ? at the very least he deserves a proper send off , Love him or hate him.

Marina Go has made a Statement but it goes to show the level of Unprofessionalism cause regardless what she says , the Media still got a hold of the story and Members had to hear the Story from the media before our own Club.......very poor.
 
@Goose said:
I think there is a logic behind the decision. Do I agree with the decision, not really, but I understand it.

What I cant cop is the way it has been handled, this has been D grade.

You can move someone on respectfully and in a dignified manner. We failed to do both.

If we come out and say something like, it is so hard we have to do this, but errors were made in out handling of the salary cap, and it pains us deeply that the only way out is to cut a champion of the club which is horrible but the lesser of too evils. Try and paint him as a hero for agreeing to reluctantly move on for the good of others and the club will be eternally grateful. I reckon fans would cop that, they'd be upset but cop it. They did something similar with Liam fulton.

They didnt do that, they hung him out to dry, and are half selling the story that Robbie wasnt playing to the game plan (whether true or not), it is just twisting the dagger.

What???
Is there a game plan, I thought we just went out and hoped.
Or do you mean Taylor ball ????
Did he actually try to play football by mistake at some time,
What about Mosesthen
I distinctly remember seeing him have a reasonably long run there one day , while we were playing taylorball. Is that classed as not playing to the " plan "also
 
Maybe…just maybe, Ayoub leaked it to the media before the club was ready.
Whichever way it was handled, people would find fault...there is no "right" way to do it, sometimes you gotta be cruel to be kind
 
@foreveratiger said:
@Telltails said:
Last home game of Farahs career, or back next year? To farewell, or not farewell a club legend. Yeah managed really well by our club. Embarrassing.

That is the most dissappointing thing of it all , the TIMING of it all and how it's been handled IMO.

If the Coach is trying to clear the decks and make room under the Cap so he can finally bring in his own players and it suits all parties ? so be it . What i'm pissed of about is the way it was handled and Managed and it throws bad Media to our Brand .
When it comes down to it Jason Taylor's job will hinge on results at some point in time , maybe not so much this year cause he walked into the current Roster that there is , but the Wooden Spoon won't help his cause ( if it happens ) . At the start of the year with the squad of players we had ? 10th - 12th i thought could be achievable especially considering injuries have been kind to us except for Nofa .

I have been a Farah critique throughout this year with the way he has performed in some games and the LIVE GAME THREADS throughout the year you will see that in my posts , on current form i think he is only worth between $400,000 - $500,000 tops!!! but he shouldn't be blamed for the backended deals that was signed by previous Management and to be treated in the manner that he has by threatning him of playing Reserve Grade if he stays ? If it's to be believed .
This whole saga has been poorly Managed by who ????? Is Ayoub to be blamed for not being honest with his client from the start ? if we believe what the Media is saying.
Do we blame Taylor at the way he has handled the whole situation ? So many questions that need to be answered that gives the Media so much ammunition to throw our Brand into more chaois and in house fighting between players ,Fans etc…

At the very least if Farah is not part of the plans moving forward ? at the very least he deserves a proper send off , Love him or hate him.

**_Marina Go has made a Statement but it goes to show the level of Unprofessionalism cause d what she says , the Media still got a hold of the story and Members had to hear the Story from the media before our own Club.......very poor._**

**__**

I agree … I am a fan of the new board but they have shown their inexperience and unprofessionalism in this instance. The clubs image and reputation has been dealt a serious blow.
 
@innsaneink said:
Maybe…just maybe, Ayoub leaked it to the media before the club was ready.
Whichever way it was handled, people would find fault...there is no "right" way to do it, sometimes you gotta be cruel to be kind

That said I think the timing is very poor .
Or maybe enough was enough and its obviously reached boiling point .

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@innsaneink said:
Maybe…just maybe, Ayoub leaked it to the media before the club was ready.
Whichever way it was handled, people would find fault...there is no "right" way to do it, sometimes you gotta be cruel to be kind

Thank you… I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees this...

It's an ugly situation. The club were always going to be dragged over coals for the decision, but the fact that some manoeuvring by other parties forced the club into a rushed announcement has exacerbated the fallout. Whatever chance they had to try and salvage some respect in light of the situation was totally removed the moment a party decided to blow it up to the media.

I'm willing to bet it wasn't the club. In any case, it's out there now, and the club has to deal with it.

IMO the decision hasn't been made lightly. They could have sat on their hands, let the show roll on but they have taken the initiative to put their nuts on the line and make an unpopular decision to improve the future. I applaud that.
 
Well depending on whom you believe, according to the club you can blame Robbies agent for the timing.
Maybe because there is no other NRL club interested atm, Ayoub felt the need to call try and pressure the club….but Oh that right Ayoubs on Robbies side, of course
 
It was obviously someone in his camp. The club were certainly not going to go the media and say "hey lads, we've punted our long serving captain, have at that scoop!"

My foot no other club is interested. They're just not interested at 900K, or half that.

We'll be lucky if we're not paying half his contract. But, if that makes some of the problems go away, I am all for it as long as this is the last player we pay out.

Two or three year deals in future. No more long term deals to ageing stars.
 
@innsaneink said:
Well depending on whom you believe, according to the club you can blame Robbies agent for the timing.
Maybe because there is no other NRL club interested atm, Ayoub felt the need to call try and pressure the club….but Oh that right Ayoubs on Robbies side, of course

Only thing I do believe is that, if wests tigers don't get their on field performances correct in next two weeks, and win at least one game, then t**he dreaded wooden spoon will be heading wests-tigers way.** :blush: :blush:
 
@gallagher said:
I'm glad there's only 2 weeks to go.

I think we all are mate… Although just like a train crash, we won't be able to walk away. A lot of us will chase our tails throughout the summer and be right back here keen as mustard come early March next year...
 
@Cultured Bogan said:
@gallagher said:
I'm glad there's only 2 weeks to go.

I think we all are mate… Although just like a train crash, we won't be able to walk away. A lot of us will chase our tails throughout the summer and be right back here keen as mustard come early March next year...

Lol …. Indeed !!!
 
@Cultured Bogan said:
@gallagher said:
I'm glad there's only 2 weeks to go.

I think we all are mate… Although just like a train crash, we won't be able to walk away. A lot of us will chase our tails throughout the summer and be right back here keen as mustard come early March next year...

Yeah some will. By then he'll be training with another club or our reserves. He'll be irrelevant.
 
@innsaneink said:
Well depending on whom you believe, according to the club you can blame Robbies agent for the timing.
Maybe because there is no other NRL club interested atm, Ayoub felt the need to call try and pressure the club….but Oh that right Ayoubs on Robbies side, of course

The little grub prised open Pandora's box last year with Tallis as well. Should have gotten this crap out of the way a year ago, even if Potter had to go as well as his client.
 
This forum is more divided over Farah than any of our players and is a perfect example of what he is probably more well known for than any player in memory, being divisive.
 
Look, I understand the attachment the fans have to Farah. I cannot overlook his achievements for us either. He carried us from 06-09, he's bled for us and he has been the ultimate competitor. He helped us to 2005\. He'll have a place in our history, as does Marshall, Hodgson and the others that went before what we felt was their time.

That said, it does not give you the rails run on how the place runs. He's now considered a hindrance and the club has decided that we will be better off without him. Things have been awful for years, and if they feel moving him on is best, I support it. We've moved on coaches and players in the years preceding this and we're still getting what we've always got. Maybe Farah is the last piece of the puzzle.

We shall see next year. If things turn around next year I dare say many, if not all, of us will be saying "Robbie who?"
 
Like everyone, I’ve had several stabs this week about trying to figure out what is going on in Tiger Town.

First thing that is clear is that if a player is not happy about being moved on, you are very likely to hear about it in the media. Obviously the bigger the profile, the bigger the noise. We have already learned from the 2011-2012 clear-out that, depending on the player, you might get all kinds of public feedback. Beau Ryan gave a TV interview and continues to have a public platform in excess of his playing ability. Fifita gave a number of inflammatory paper interviews. Gibbs has taken to twitter on many occasions.

We are not the only club that this happens to – the ongoing dismantling of the core group at Manly is arguably uglier than any of our own player movements.

History also tells us that Robbie Farah stories explode in the media. His issues often play out as real soap operas, based on fairly unremarkable kindling, but burning brightly and attracting much attention. Part of this is his profile in the game, but I suspect much also has to do with Robbie himself and his minders.

Even if you think back to the Tallis issue last year, it was based on a fairly ordinary story of a player not rating his coach, but outstripped all other league stories at that time. The reported Potter and Benji fallouts, his mother’s death, Origin selection and non-selection, shoulder and hand injuries – all reasonably inoffensive stories, but they gain terrific traction and it appears that Robbie Farah sells a lot of papers.

So the media attention does not surprise me, even though it has totally overshadowed the second last week of the finals race.

Even the timing of Farahgate doesn’t really concern me. We are hearing about this now because the media caught wind of the story and were going to break it, not because Tigers made a snap decision on this last week. It is entirely possible that the club has been turning the wheels on Farah for months, even before approaching his manager or other clubs.

As other people have noted, the ideal time for a player transfer is mid-season, when clubs are still working on their rosters for next year: you maximise the potential interest from other clubs and ensure there is enough time for a proper send-off for the player, for the fan vote.

But sometimes player movements are triggered by unplanned events, rather than long-term strategy – e.g. NRL rule changes, injuries, personal issues, movements at other clubs etc. So whilst you prefer to offer up an unwanted commodity at an ideal time, sometimes the market forces your hand.

It would make sense that something like the unforeseen movement of Isaac Luke could have triggered the Tigers to move on Farah. The speed with which Souths denied interest in Farah says that even if Souths were keen, they have not reached an agreement or simply wish to avoid a media storm during their finals campaign.

I am also not entirely surprised that Farah has been given a tap on the shoulder. He is near to last in a fairly long line of players who have been moved on, happily or not, since the bridge started to give way under Sheens.

Even if it was a form-based decision, you can drop Farah to reserves and weather the short imbroglio that would follow. Cherrington starts, he is likely to play well enough, and you tell the media that it is about form and a new style of play we are adopting.

Really the only thing that surprises me about Farahgate is how bullish the Tigers have been in the media. Normally when you try to offload a player, you run the line “we have given him permission to consider his options in 2016”, so that all parties save face whilst an arrangement is worked out. We did this with Blair, we are currently doing it with Lawrence. Galloway and Richards have both been moved on reasonably smoothly. If an agreement doesn’t work out, you haven’t totally hung the player out to dry, and you haven’t placed all your eggs in one basket.

But this is different. Tigers are being so rigid in the media: it’s not about allowing Farah to consider other offers, it’s about ensuring he gets left behind when we take a new direction. We’ve even said so, like a break-up: “it’s not you, it’s us”.

And if some reports are to be believed, Tigers are less concerned about the payout / salary cap space and more concerned about ensuring Farah is gone. What has happened to cause this?

I can only surmise that Farah is a major destabilising influence in the club when he’s not happy. Management must believe that if we move Robbie on it cannot be done gently, it has to be more like tearing off a band-aid. Or perhaps we did try to move him on quietly already, but the options have dried up, so we’ve decided to just go full tilt and publicly announce the separation. I suppose if your feet are already wet, might as well jump in?

Laurie Daley asked the best question of this week though – suppose nobody takes Farah, you drop him for 2016, and Cherrington gets injured Round 1 2016\. What do you do then, not even call Farah up as your second-best option? Is his ongoing participation in first grade that bad?
 
@Cultured Bogan said:
Look, I understand the attachment the fans have to Farah. I cannot overlook his achievements for us either. He carried us from 06-09, he's bled for us and he has been the ultimate competitor. He helped us to 2005\. He'll have a place in our history, as does Marshall, Hodgson and the others that went before what we felt was their time.

That said, it does not give you the rails run on how the place runs. He's now considered a hindrance and the club has decided that we will be better off without him. Things have been awful for years, and if they feel moving him on is best, I support it. We've moved on coaches and players in the years preceding this and we're still getting what we've always got. Maybe Farah is the last piece of the puzzle.

We shall see next year. If things turn around next year I dare say many, if not all, of us will be saying "Robbie who?"

Yep a lot feel the same way, yet are labelled "haters" by some, when they are simply WT lovers. Players come and go every season, the club and it's current lineup are where loyalties lay.
 
I just think some perspective is required here. It's understandable to have an attachment to the guy, and given how much he has done for the club it creates conflicting when it insinuated that he is considered a large part of the problems at the club.

The whole issue needs to be looked at as a separate set of events, rather than one large affair. It would then make sense.
 
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